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Is the Fed trying to prick the bubble?


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2005 Oct 17, 10:05am   44,857 views  442 comments

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I suspect the Fed is behind much of the stories about reconsidering mortgage interest deduction. (If they were really serious about it, they would stop deductions on interest for second (and third…) homes. I think this is basically a made up story, trying to inject a little caution into potential homebuyers who have trouble reading the writing on the wall.

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5   Randy H   2005 Oct 18, 1:56am  

H.Z.,

I've invested in TIPS through a mutual fund; so yes, I have a duration problem. In all truth, TIPS only make up a very small portion of my portfolio. It's a bit of an experiment for me to try to see if they are advantageous or not. Our tax situation is very fluid right now. Most of my weighting is in CA Muni tax exempt (Vanguard) because I found that with the tax shield and the monthly yield adjustments I'm beating CPI with this vehicle alone. I'm using some commercial paper too, to round out the sharpe ratio.

I haven't applied a full Black-Litterman approach to all this yet, primarily because I'm trying to keep the funds very liquid so I can buy a house when I find the "perfect deal". I have toyed with the idea of plowing it into a more advanced position at an investment bank so as to be able to borrow against it for liquidity if and when that becomes necessary.

***no investment advise should be taken from these comments***

6   Randy H   2005 Oct 18, 2:03am  

OwnerOccupier,

I agree with your reasoning, especially considering the larger picture with Europe/EU. I see rising protectionism in the EU -- especially given the upcoming WTO talks and Europe's position there regarding subsidies -- as a big part of the risk to the US. It feels to me like a bit of a big race, which no one wants to win. In your scenario it is just as likely that the Europeans reach crises stage before we do. (Europe has crushing fiscal problems which are much worse than ours all things considered, and is much more dependent on exports) If that happens, and the euro loses its dual reserve currency status, then we will be [again] saved as the currency of last resort. I don't see the yen ever becoming a reserve currency--at least not in our lifetimes.

7   Randy H   2005 Oct 18, 2:44am  

That is in a city that already has 4,000 skyscrapers, almost double the number in New York. And there are designs to build 1,000 more by the end of this decade.

This is what both terrifies and comforts me about China. The destabilizing effects of halting their current march would be so unthinkable that I don't believe it is likely. Yes, China *could* begin running deficits and attempt to shift away from a pure export economy, which would have a bad effect on the US. But I also think this would spur China to politically need to become aggresively expansionary, not just economically but probably militarily. Such an outcome would solve itself also, but not in a pleasant way.

8   surfer-x   2005 Oct 18, 3:24am  

American homeowners are going to be slapped with bigger monthly payments just when they’re already drowning in debt and lining up at the bankruptcy courts by the thousands.

Fuck em.

9   surfer-x   2005 Oct 18, 3:54am  

H.Z., nope they get an A from San Diego health board. Bring a diaper refers to the fact you'll likely eat until you poo yourself. Or maybe that's just the crowd I hang out with :)

10   surfer-x   2005 Oct 18, 4:11am  

HZ, great place for the kids! Full on Mexi crew and they love children.

11   Michael Holliday   2005 Oct 18, 2:03pm  

...Something ominous has got to be on the horizon. Wait till the credit card payments double.

Think of guys like Surfer-x--with Tier 1 PhDs in hard-ass sciences--getting locked out of the market because of affordability. What does it say about all the money, and time, and sacrifice to obtain what 96% of the population is mentally incapable of pulling off, only to have your efforts not be rewarded by a society who’s mantra is, “get educated?”

California’s in deep, deep shit…

12   OO   2005 Oct 18, 10:13pm  

Around Century Park, Shanghai, the equivalent of Central Park in NYC (maybe not but you get what I mean), there are endless rows of buildings, 70-80% unoccupied. Each building is around 20-30storeys high, each storey 4-8 apartments, there are about 300 of those packed around the park, mostly empty. When I was just there a few months ago at night, except for the lightings of the public area and some ornamental neon lights on top, almost no lights were lit at 9PM at night.

Yet, cranes are everywhere and they just keep building. Guess how much these apartments are sold for? You cannot own land in China at all, all residential land is leased for 70 years. And yet, you are expected to pay around USD 300K - 500K (pay attention, not Yuan, but USD) for a 1,000 sqft (gross area, which means you only get 75% wall-to-wall area of the 1,000sqft) apartment around Century Park. Speaking of RE bubble, welcome to the king of all bubbles. I just don't think the Chinese can defy the law of physics for much longer. How it is going to end I don't care, but it won't last, that I am sure of.

13   SQT15   2005 Oct 19, 5:50am  

only to have your efforts not be rewarded by a society who’s mantra is, “get educated?”

California’s in deep, deep shit…

Isn't that the truth.

14   surfer-x   2005 Oct 19, 6:20am  

What annoys me is not taking the anal pounding necessary to get that seemingly worthless degree, it is the lies that surround it. Education used to be the path to at least a comfortable middle class lifestyle. That's gone daddy gone. Looking at the history of companies like IBM really saddens me. That company used to be great, not any more, Mr. Watson must be turning over in his grave. My experience has demonstrated that the only thing that is truly important is what your Father did, as your particular social class is not likely to be breached. I just get the feeling and have for a long while, that we are just really getting the shaft. What's the point of all the intangibles if you have to work 60 fucking hours a week to just get by. And don't give me that bullshit that you make 150K a year, or your buddy does, and they work 40hrs a week. Doesn't happen. 60hrs a week, think about that, it's 12hrs a day, figure in a 1/2 to 1 hr commute each way, dude, that 13-14hrs a day, wheres the intangible in that? Yeah that diploma looks good on the wall, but I don't know if I'd do it over. I think I would go the trade route and be a plumber or electrician. Just seems to be too much stress, I just feel the boomers have sucked the well dry and just won't get away from the trough. Seen the latest financial planning commercials? "your generation did everything (que hippys by VW van, now segway into aged boomers standing by VW van) and you still do, you need a financial services company that understands you!. Ack. But I must say, Central Coast boomers are better than BA boomers in that they at least buy you a drink before they talk at you.

Fuck the education, doesn't matter, perhaps it used to. Doesn't now. There is a wall of Gen-Y jerkoffs in the pipeline and they've gutted the educational rigor out of the system, trust me, I've actually heard this more than once "but I deserve a better grade". So even if you think you're secure and have a decent skill set, you can easily be replaced by 2 Gen-Y jerkoffs driving a Scion Xb or Honda Element. Don't know what's going to happen, I feel a lot of friction and stress in society that I just didn't feel before. The chill nature of Ca is long gone I fear, and the only thing left
is aging boomers pushing back the comb over and fumbling for their bong and pushing you out of the way so they can get their cave aged gorgonzola that much quicker.

15   SQT15   2005 Nov 2, 12:22pm  

Oooooooooh, this'll do!

I can't confirm that Hubba Bubba is MP, but he sure sounds like him. Speaking of sound, my house is oh so quiet right now. :D

16   SQT15   2005 Nov 2, 12:34pm  

Newsfreak

This link will show you how to do the emoticons we all love so much.
http://codex.wordpress.org/List_of_Emoticons

17   SQT15   2005 Nov 2, 12:38pm  

oops

Looks like they changed the page for the wordpress emoticons.
Try here instead.
http://codex.wordpress.org/Using_Smilies

18   Peter P   2005 Nov 2, 6:34pm  

Sphuh?

19   Jamie   2005 Nov 3, 2:18am  

SPHUH is in the house!

20   Jamie   2005 Nov 3, 2:19am  

"Wow, this thread even has a long post by Surfer-X talking about an anal pounding and everything"

SurferX sure likes to talk a lot about anal poundings... Hmmm....

21   Jamie   2005 Nov 3, 2:19am  

Hey where is everyone? Better not be over on the damn Huh thread messing up my nice round numbers!

22   Jamie   2005 Nov 3, 2:20am  

"Classic how Jamies post was 2021, the one that screwed up her own perfect 2020 number! LOL"

Oh shut up.

23   SQT15   2005 Nov 3, 2:20am  

SurferX sure likes to talk a lot about anal poundings… Hmmm….

I don't want to risk the wrath of Surfer-X by going there.

24   SQT15   2005 Nov 3, 2:21am  

Now children.

25   SQT15   2005 Nov 3, 2:22am  

My son got a hold of the phone and bumped me off the net for a minute. You don't think he's trying to tell me something do you? Naaah.

26   Jamie   2005 Nov 3, 2:25am  

"The kind of hurt where your body shuts down to only 30 percent functionality,"

I really didn't need to know about your bodily functions shutting down.

" The 18 hours of sleep a day, sleep=metaphor for death pain, Jamie"

I'm so sorry.

27   SQT15   2005 Nov 3, 2:26am  

Your son is displaying talking stick qualities early on in life SQT!

Precocious isn't he? _sniff_ I'm so proud.

28   Jamie   2005 Nov 3, 2:26am  

2024 is the new 2020. Nobody screw it up!

29   Jamie   2005 Nov 3, 2:26am  

Bye newsfreak. But you're on my shit list for blowing 2022.

30   SQT15   2005 Nov 3, 2:27am  

Wouldn't want to mess up your thread count Jamie.

31   SQT15   2005 Nov 3, 2:27am  

Do you get to be on your own shit list for messing up 2020?

32   Jamie   2005 Nov 3, 2:28am  

"I don’t want to risk the wrath of Surfer-X by going there."

Oh, I DARE him. :-P

33   Jamie   2005 Nov 3, 2:29am  

"Do you get to be on your own shit list for messing up 2020?"

I'm always the number one name on my shit list.

34   SQT15   2005 Nov 3, 2:29am  

Jamies thread count is saturated beyond recognition I am afraid…

All that SPHUH.

35   Jamie   2005 Nov 3, 2:30am  

"Jamies thread count is saturated beyond recognition I am afraid…. "

Damn SPHUH.

36   Jamie   2005 Nov 3, 2:31am  

Oh crap SQT beat me to it.

37   Jamie   2005 Nov 3, 2:31am  

"Putrifying to a ripe smell of dread.. "

Damn zombies.

38   Jamie   2005 Nov 3, 2:32am  

LOLOL, it looks kind of like Squirt when you use the lower case letters. Which brings to mind... Oh never mind.

39   Jamie   2005 Nov 3, 2:34am  

"I am not going to let you forget about the pain you have caused me Jamie. You know this, dont you? "

Is this actual pain or feigned pain for the purpose of manipulation? I'm sure it's the second, so please, go ahead, act all hurt and stuff.

40   Jamie   2005 Nov 3, 2:36am  

"Thanks Jamie. Kind of makes up my mind for me. "

Glad to be of service. ;-) SQT looks much better. No suggestion of squirting at all. None.

41   Jamie   2005 Nov 3, 2:37am  

"That’s just it! Its real and just because I have a somewhat tweeaked delivery, nobody believes me. Especially you. Tragic. The HORROR… Sad sad sad… "

You're like the boy who cried SPHUH!

42   Jamie   2005 Nov 3, 2:38am  

We never know when you're serious...I would guess because you are NEVER serious.

43   Jamie   2005 Nov 3, 2:45am  

"I am literally running up and down the stairs to wipe pen off the walls and then come up to the computer to post. Is this devotion or what? "

Ah, the joys of owning a two-year-old.

My daughter is that crazy age too.

44   Jamie   2005 Nov 3, 2:46am  

"No, its not like serious or not serious. Its two sides of the same emoticon. "

Huh?

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