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bob2356 says
Delicious stews can be made from the cheapest of meats.
Stew meat is $7.00 a pack, that's the problem you and queen clueless can't seem to grasp.
Hey I'm griping because more of my money is going to the food bill
So don't buy it in the pack. Buy a cheap roast on sale and cut it up. This isn't rocket science. Last time I was in the states in Feb I bought a 3 lb roast for $2.75 a pound, about $5.00 worth of veggies made stew over noodles and fed 6 people twice with some still left over. Buy with the season.
If you really want to gripe come visit me in NZ. Food is at least twice (or more, sometimes a lot more depending on the item) as expensive as the US, variety is limited, and you really have to eat seasonal. If it's out of season you just don't get it, period. To add insult to injury I can buy NZ lamb cheaper in the US and Europe than at my local supermarket in NZ.
KILLERJANE
2012 May 17, 11:07pm
I don't eat breakfast. I am not a farmer. I eat when I get hungry, usually by 2pm. Breakfast pushing is for farmers.
Get up at 5 am or sunrise and work the crops while it's cool out, come back to house a couple hours later with an appetite and eat a hearty meal, go back to work the crops.
Bob, I'm not certain the details of atkins, I think that diet zeros out carbs and then slowly reintroduces them back into the diet, so now, I am not a fanatic of what that dead man was selling. The "fixation" is on sugars, because as we've all always known, sugar has adverse effects on the human body.
I frequent with a "ketogenic" type of 'diet', however, I eat to live and will eat whatever I darn well please, on occasion. My usuual breakfast consists of a large glass of water, 3 eggs and a heavy 1/3lb of bacon. Sometimes I make omelettes with veggies, sometimes eat ham steak or beef steak or sausage with my eggs. Today, I had to be out the door by 530 so I picked a quart of strawberries from the garden and ate them
Grains and carbs make people sick. Some show it by bloating up with fat. Because we know fat storage is regulated by hormones (insulin), regular carbohydrate consumption makes the body insulin resistant, and the screws with the bodys fat storage mechanisms. Men get beer guts, tits and love handles, women get a fat ass, hips and thighs. Some people don't show the sickness by getting fat, however studies have shown that skinny fat people, suffer just as bad, if not worse from the carb intake. It manifests in hypertension and any type of heart disease, among other illness
This is why I am critical of the first ladys efforts. What she says is true and sage advice, however we have generations of good little statist sheeple that were brought up in the public instruction system, and they were taught to be good little obedient citizens, to eat according to the old food pyramid, whichc is toxic. She should lead the discussion on burying that old hat and usher in the new, more honest science
Of course, this means laying fault and criticism on harvard school of medicine and the government. I doubt she has the balls,,,
leo707
2012 May 18, 4:33am
more honest science
Could you please cite some of this honest science that shows:
Grains and carbs make people sick.
I have heard a few theories in this regard, but I have never seen convincing evidence that this is the case. I don't think that the first lady is intentionally trying to mislead people to eat unhealthy.
I frequent with a "ketogenic" type of 'diet'
Are you epileptic? Having no idea what it was a quick search indicates that this diet is a treatment for epilepsy.
Studies do seem to show that it does in fact reduce seizures, but it is also not a "healthy" diet. There are side effects.
errc says
I frequent with a "ketogenic" type of 'diet'
Are you epileptic? Having no idea what it was a quick search indicates that this diet is a treatment for epilepsy.
Studies do seem to show that it does in fact reduce seizures, but it is also not a "healthy" diet. There are side effects.
Ketogenic diet is very close to Atkins. A modified Atkins has also been used for treating epileptics with success. I don't think it's a very healthy diet. People that use it for epilepsy are monitored carefully because of possible side effects. But everyone to their own. You can certainly get fat on any diet if you overeat. The only thing that matters is calories.
errc says
Grains and carbs make people sick.
I have heard a few theories in this regard, but I have never seen convincing evidence that this is the case. I don't think that the first lady is intentionally trying to mislead people to eat unhealthy.
There has never been any creditable research that says carbs in moderate amounts or even some occasional sugar makes anyone sick. You can have allergies to foods containing carbs, but you can have allergies to foods that don't. You get diabetes from being overweight, no matter what you ate to get that way.
I personally like the chocolate diet. I'm concerned, however, that dietary expert, Michelle oBAm A will soon call for a ban on all chocolate manufacturing in Ameicia.
That, of course, will kill jobs in America and drive more American companies offshore. Don't you just HATE those greedy capitalists?
more honest science
Could you please cite some of this honest science that shows:
Grains and carbs make people sick.
I have heard a few theories in this regard, but I have never seen convincing evidence that this is the case. I don't think that the first lady is intentionally trying to mislead people to eat unhealthy.
I frequent with a "ketogenic" type of 'diet'
Are you epileptic? Having no idea what it was a quick search indicates that this diet is a treatment for epilepsy.
Studies do seem to show that it does in fact reduce seizures, but it is also not a "healthy" diet. There are side effects.
the web is filled with information. try google.com, if you are truly interested. Gary Taubes wrote two books that contain a nice summary of much of the research
[url]http://www.preventdisease.com/news/12/030112_World-Renown-Heart-Surgeon-Speaks-Out-On-What-Really-Causes-Heart-Disease.shtml[/url]
The long-established dietary recommendations have created epidemics of obesity and diabetes, the consequences of which dwarf any historical plague in terms of mortality, human suffering and dire economic consequences.
The rest of us have simply followed the recommended mainstream dietthat is low in fat and high in polyunsaturated fats and carbohydrates, not knowing we were causing repeated injury to our blood vessels. Thisrepeated injury creates chronic inflammation leading to heart disease, stroke, diabetes and obesity.
Let me repeat that: The injury and inflammation in our blood vessels is caused by the low fat diet recommended for years by mainstream medicine.
What are the biggest culprits of chronic inflammation? Quite simply, they are the overload of simple, highly processed carbohydrates (sugar, flour and all the products made from them) and the excess consumption of omega-6 vegetable oils like soybean, corn and sunflower that are found in many processed foods.
Take a moment to visualize rubbing a stiff brush repeatedly over soft skin until it becomes quite red and nearly bleeding. you kept this up several times a day, every day for five years. If you could tolerate this painful brushing, you would have a bleeding, swollen infected area that became worse with each repeated injury. This is a good way to visualize the inflammatory process that could be going on in your body right now.
Ketogenic diet is very close to Atkins. A modified Atkins has also been used for treating epileptics with success. I don't think it's a very healthy diet. People that use it for epilepsy are monitored carefully because of possible side effects. But everyone to their own. You can certainly get fat on any diet if you overeat. The only thing that matters is calories.
calories don't really matter much if at all, from a quantity stand point. As to the quality of those calories, that is all that matters, in that so long as they are carbs, you can eat as many as your heart desires
as to a 'ketogenic' diet being dangerous, not sure where you guys are getting your information.
The brain gets its energy from ketone bodies when insufficient glucose is available. After blood glucose is lowered for 3 days, the brain gets 30% of its energy from ketone bodies. After 40 days, this goes up to 70% (during the initial stages the brain does not burn ketones, since they are an important substrate for lipid synthesis in the brain). In time the brain reduces its glucose requirements from 120g to 40g per day.
Ketones have been described as "magic" in their ability to increase metabolic efficiency, while decreasing production of free radicals, the damaging byproducts of normal metabolism. The heart and brain operate 25% more efficiently using ketones as a source of energy
ever wonder why human brain size has shrunk along side the advent of the western diet? because a diet rich in carbs is anathema to brain health.
Science, shmience, we can debate this all day, doesn't matter. Since most are emotionally invested in having someone tell them that eating their western diet is ok, they don't want to hear the truth. The best science experiment you can conduct, is one you do on yourself. Do an elimination diet. Enjoy ketosis for yourself for a couple months, your brain and body will thank you and you'll never argue on behalf of the western diet again.
understand that the government and their institutions are the reason you think the way you do, about nutrition. The info has always been there, however Harvard wanted to be the spokesperson on diet/obesity/nutrition for the past sixty years, they have led the disinformation campaign, and the government followed suit, and look around you, at where that has led us. Fat, Sick, and nearly dead.
carbs make you sick
your government forces your hand to the carb plate
not sure why the hyperlink didn't work, but it's a good read
as is this
leo707
2012 May 22, 2:46am
as to a 'ketogenic' diet being dangerous, not sure where you guys are getting your information
The web is filled with information, try google.com.
carbs make you sick
Doing quick searches on Gary Taubes, etc. it is refined carbs that he seems to take issue with, complex carbs are a different story.
I remember a few year back during that Atkins fad doing some research into the no-carb diet. At that time I chose to greatly reduce the refined carbs in my diet, and replace them with whole grains.
The long-established dietary recommendations have created epidemics of obesity and diabetes, the consequences of which dwarf any historical plague in terms of mortality, human suffering and dire economic consequences.
Yep, it has, but the long-established dietary recommendations have changed quite a bit from what I grew up with.
Science, shmience, we can debate this all day, doesn't matter.
Thanks for the links. I will look into it more when I have time.
Thank you errc!
As someone that lost 30lbs and feels way better going Keto - you're spot on.
calories don't really matter much if at all, from a quantity stand point. As to the quality of those calories, that is all that matters, in that so long as they are carbs, you can eat as many as your heart desires
I think you meant aren't carbs. If you take in more calories that you burn then you will gain weight no matter where the calories come from. That's a simple fact. The biggest reason people lose weight when going to a low carb regime is that they got fat from eating totally randomly and are actually checking portions and eating in a regulated fashion to follow the low carb regime.
I don't think Atkins is dangerous, I just think it's much healthier to eat a balance of all different types of foods. I agree with leo, it's refined sugar and carbs that are the problem.
If you take in more calories that you burn then you will gain weight no matter where the calories come from. That's a simple fact.
That says nothing as to WHY you take in more calories than you burn. The problem is that carbohydrates are UNIQUELY fattening. It is in their very makeup and the response they cause your body to have, which causes the intake of more calories (for many people - not all).
It is actually VERY difficult to take in too many calories of fat/protein alone, in the absence of carbohydrates. This effect is even more pronounced in people that are already overweight - without carbohydrates stimulating the appetite, fat and protein leads to faster feelings of "fullness". I can attest to the fact that when you're in ketosis, it is very, very hard to overeat. You don't need to check portions at all. In fact, you often have to force yourself to eat, because you are often NOT hungry when your body is deriving most of it's fuel from stored body fat.
leo707
2012 May 22, 6:35am
The problem is that carbohydrates are UNIQUELY fattening. It is in their very makeup and the response they cause your body to have, which causes the intake of more calories (for many people - not all).
This is true only for refined carbs and yes it is a health issue that we do not take seriously enough in the US.
Yes, thank you bob. I meant that the quantity of calories doesn't matter so long as they aren't carby.
Now as to your assertion, that people get fat because of a caloric glut, you are wrong. But you're not alone!, we were all taught that it was simple physics. If/when you take in more calories then you burn off, you pack on fat. That's not how the body works
The body regulates fat storage via hormones (insulin). Carbohydrates distort the feedback loop between the liver and the pancreas (insulin resistance). This causes systemic dysfunction, and the body cannot properly regulate fat storage, because the carb eater is improperly fueling their body, and we end up with the obesity/diabetes/hypertension/heart disease etc epidemic we find ourselves in today.
Your eat less exercise more means of weight loss is a failure. I tell people that want to lose (fat) weight, to eat MORE and exercise LESS. Just make sure they are zero'ing out their carbs. Eat animal proteins high in fats, and other healthy fatty foods (salmon, avacado), because fat consumption is very satiating, healthy, and carb-less. It keeps people from feeling hungry. Exercising isn't a succesful means of losing fat, because it makes us hungry.
If you want to lose a couple extra pounds for the summer, give it a try. Eat a half lb of bacon with eggs for bfast,,,spinach salad with chicken and blue cheese for lunch, and a fatty 20oz ribeye with some solid marbeling and some veggies for supper. Drink only water. The first thing that happens is you lose about 8lbs in 48 hours, as your body realizes its not getting anymore carbs, so it purges the unnecessary gallon of water that carb eaters carry around with them. Makes you feel good to relieve yourself of that lifetime of bloat! Within 15 days of eating like that, you could expect to lose 15lbs, half being that water weight, the other half being fat burn off as your body enters ketosis and utilizes those fat stores for energy. Most people report instantly better eye sight as well, once detoxing from sugar, along with constantly higher levels of energy
This is true only for refined carbs
Depends on the person. For some people, the insulin spike from ALL carbohydrates cause excess fat storage and inflammation.
If you want to lose a couple extra pounds for the summer, give it a try. Eat a half lb of bacon with eggs for bfast,,,spinach salad with chicken and blue cheese for lunch, and a fatty 20oz ribeye with some solid marbeling and some veggies for supper. Drink only water. The first thing that happens is you lose about 8lbs in 48 hours, as your body realizes its not getting anymore carbs, so it purges the unnecessary gallon of water that carb eaters carry around with them. Makes you feel good to relieve yourself of that lifetime of bloat! Within 15 days of eating like that, you could expect to lose 15lbs, half being that water weight, the other half being fat burn off as your body enters ketosis and utilizes those fat stores for energy. Most people report instantly better eye sight as well, once detoxing from sugar, along with constantly higher levels of energy
I had the exact results. It really works. It is pretty crazy, but it works.
Gary taubes has written a couple books that compile all the studies and sort the shit science (think what the usfedgov and elitist ivy league schools sell you on) from the good science.
Good Calories, Bad Calories was the earlier version, it is lengthy and filled with the technical jargon, if that's more your cup of tea (about 500 pages)
Why We Get Fat and What to Do About it is the most recent book. Reads so easy you can (and should) share it with your 2nd grader. Less then 200pgs, straight and to the point. Can read it in 8 hours and debunk a lifetime of bad science and misinformation
Be warned, you will rightfully be (even more) mad at the gubmint for sticking their stupid nose into your personal life and causing more damage to the citizenry then 1000 al quedas ever could dream. If you think that is bad, wait until you find out about marijuanas health benefits,,,as an anti-inflammatory, and as a stand alone super food.
Now as to your assertion, that people get fat because of a caloric glut, you are wrong.
Of course you can get fat without carbs. Consume enough calories and you will get fat. BTW spinach and blue cheese both contain carbs. All plants, fruits, and vegetables contain carbs except mushrooms I believe. Some more, some less. Some veggies have as much carbs as some whole grain breads. Same deal with sugar. The only thing you can eat that totally lacks carbs are eggs, unprocessed meat, and natural unprocessed oils. If Gary Taubes says otherwise then I would stop using his material.
I think the words you are desperately searching for is processed carbs and processed sugars. Large quantities of these are not good I fully agree.
Seems to me that the logical question for this debate is how asians manage to eat a very high carb diet (but almost no processed carbs) and somehow manage to avoid the "obesity/diabetes/hypertension/heart disease etc epidemic we find ourselves in today.". Any explanation?
how does your body differentiate between sugars? A sugar, is a sugar, is a sugar, once you put it in your mouth.
i know full well the difference between simple and complex carbohydrates. Spinach and blue cheese don't really contain carbs, they both contain 1g or less of carbohydrate per serving, so they contain carb (no s) :).
Carbs that come from fiber soluble foods, are usually not problematic, like the ones we get from vegetables like spinach, thats why people that understand how the body works look for NET carbs in foods.
As to your loaded with assumptions logical question, there are many reasons. First, millet has been more a staple to the asian diet than rice over the course of modern history. Millet glycemic index is 25 while rice is 65. However, rice is still much less unhealthy then wheat for the sake of comparing the asian diet to the western diet. western diet is based on wheat which brings in gluten, which white rice doesn't have. Asians also eat plenty of seafood, vegetables, and fatty oils. Not to mention, asians are inherently more insulin sensitive because they move around more then western dieters, even if it's just walking
Grains and carbs make people sick.
Your quote not mine.There is no ambiguity there. Millet is a grain, rice is a grain. Asians don't get all that sick. So my assumptions logical question still stands.
Just make sure they are zero'ing out their carbs
thats why people that understand how the body works look for NET carbs in foods.
Your quotes not mine.You just posted 2 pages that said carbs are all bad and must never be eaten. So now some carbs are ok as long as they "NET"? That's not zeroing out. Some consistency please.
My assertion stands, Eat variety, eat colors, avoid processed anything, eat fresh seasonal, exercise moderately, don't listen to the fanatics on either side.
carbs that come from vegetables packed with soluble fiber get you net carbs
5 g of carb
4 g of fiber
1 g net carbs
apologize if i am doing a poor job explaining. my entire life, i would have agreed with what you are saying and figured this information to be both wrong and crazy. i am not a doctor or nutritionist, but i do believe those that agree with the carbs-cause insulin resistance=most all the disease of affluence that plagues western diet consumers
the earlier link from the surgeon,,,,,,,,,,
We physicians with all our training, knowledge and authority often acquire a rather large ego that tends to make it difficult to admit we are wrong. So, here it is. I freely admit to being wrong.. As a heart surgeon with 25 years experience, having performed over 5,000 open-heart surgeries,today is my day to right the wrong with medical and scientific fact.
I trained for many years with other prominent physicians labelled “opinion makers.†Bombarded with scientific literature, continually attending education seminars, we opinion makers insisted heart disease resulted from the simple fact of elevated blood cholesterol.
The only accepted therapy was prescribing medications to lower cholesterol and a diet that severely restricted fat intake. The latter of course we insisted would lower cholesterol and heart disease. Deviations from these recommendations were considered heresy and could quite possibly result in malpractice.
These recommendations are no longer scientifically or morally defensible. The discovery a few years ago that inflammation in the artery wall is the real cause of heart disease is slowly leading to a paradigm shift in how heart disease and other chronic ailments will be treated.
The long-established dietary recommendations have created epidemics of obesity and diabetes, the consequences of which dwarf any historical plague in terms of mortality, human suffering and dire economic consequences.
Despite the fact that 25% of the population takes expensive statin medications and despite the fact we have reduced the fat content of our diets, more Americans will die this year of heart disease than ever before.
Statistics from the American Heart Association show that 75 million Americans currently suffer from heart disease, 20 million have diabetes and 57 million have pre-diabetes. These disorders are affecting younger and younger people in greater numbers every year.
Simply stated, without inflammation being present in the body, there is no way that cholesterol would accumulate in the wall of the blood vessel and cause heart disease and strokes. Without inflammation, cholesterol would move freely throughout the body as nature intended. It is inflammation that causes cholesterol to become trapped.
Inflammation is not complicated -- it is quite simply your body's natural defence to a foreign invader such as a bacteria, toxin or virus. The cycle of inflammation is perfect in how it protects your body from these bacterial and viral invaders. However, if we chronically expose the body to injury by toxins or foods the human body was never designed to process,a condition occurs called chronic inflammation. Chronic inflammation is just as harmful as acute inflammation is beneficial.
What thoughtful person would willfully expose himself repeatedly to foods or other substances that are known to cause injury to the body? Well,smokers perhaps, but at least they made that choice willfully.
The rest of us have simply followed the recommended mainstream dietthat is low in fat and high in polyunsaturated fats and carbohydrates, not knowing we were causing repeated injury to our blood vessels. Thisrepeated injury creates chronic inflammation leading to heart disease, stroke, diabetes and obesity.
Let me repeat that: The injury and inflammation in our blood vessels is caused by the low fat diet recommended for years by mainstream medicine.
What are the biggest culprits of chronic inflammation? Quite simply, they are the overload of simple, highly processed carbohydrates (sugar, flour and all the products made from them) and the excess consumption of omega-6 vegetable oils like soybean, corn and sunflower that are found in many processed foods.
Take a moment to visualize rubbing a stiff brush repeatedly over soft skin until it becomes quite red and nearly bleeding. you kept this up several times a day, every day for five years. If you could tolerate this painful brushing, you would have a bleeding, swollen infected area that became worse with each repeated injury. This is a good way to visualize the inflammatory process that could be going on in your body right now.
Regardless of where the inflammatory process occurs, externally or internally, it is the same. I have peered inside thousands upon thousands of arteries. A diseased artery looks as if someone took a brush and scrubbed repeatedly against its wall. Several times a day, every day, the foods we eat create small injuries compounding into more injuries, causing the body to respond continuously and appropriately with inflammation.
While we savor the tantalizing taste of a sweet roll, our bodies respond alarmingly as if a foreign invader arrived declaring war. Foods loaded with sugars and simple carbohydrates, or processed withomega-6 oils for long shelf life have been the mainstay of the American diet for six decades. These foods have been slowly poisoning everyone.
How does eating a simple sweet roll create a cascade of inflammation to make you sick?
Imagine spilling syrup on your keyboard and you have a visual of what occurs inside the cell. When we consume simple carbohydrates such as sugar, blood sugar rises rapidly. In response, your pancreas secretes insulin whose primary purpose is to drive sugar into each cell where it is stored for energy. If the cell is full and does not need glucose, it is rejected to avoid extra sugar gumming up the works.
When your full cells reject the extra glucose, blood sugar rises producing more insulin and the glucose converts to stored fat.
What does all this have to do with inflammation? Blood sugar is controlled in a very narrow range. Extra sugar molecules attach to a variety of proteins that in turn injure the blood vessel wall. This repeated injury to the blood vessel wall sets off inflammation. When you spike your blood sugar level several times a day, every day, it is exactly like taking sandpaper to the inside of your delicate blood vessels.
While you may not be able to see it, rest assured it is there. I saw it in over 5,000 surgical patients spanning 25 years who all shared one common denominator -- inflammation in their arteries.
Let’s get back to the sweet roll. That innocent looking goody not only contains sugars, it is baked in one of many omega-6 oils such as soybean. Chips and fries are soaked in soybean oil; processed foods are manufactured with omega-6 oils for longer shelf life. While omega-6’s are essential -they are part of every cell membrane controlling what goes in and out of the cell -- they must be in the correct balance with omega-3’s.
If the balance shifts by consuming excessive omega-6, the cell membrane produces chemicals called cytokines that directly cause inflammation.
Today’s mainstream American diet has produced an extreme imbalance of these two fats. The ratio of imbalance ranges from 15:1 to as high as 30:1 in favor of omega-6. That’s a tremendous amount of cytokines causing inflammation. In today’s food environment, a 3:1 ratio would be optimal and healthy.
To make matters worse, the excess weight you are carrying from eating these foods creates overloaded fat cells that pour out large quantities of pro-inflammatory chemicals that add to the injury caused by having high blood sugar. The process that began with a sweet roll turns into a vicious cycle over time that creates heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes and finally, Alzheimer’s disease, as the inflammatory process continues unabated.
There is no escaping the fact that the more we consume prepared and processed foods, the more we trip the inflammation switch little by little each day. The human body cannot process, nor was it designed to consume, foods packed with sugars and soaked in omega-6 oils.
There is but one answer to quieting inflammation, and that is returning to foods closer to their natural state. To build muscle, eat more protein. Choose carbohydrates that are very complex such as colorful fruits and vegetables. Cut down on or eliminate inflammation- causing omega-6 fats like corn and soybean oil and the processed foods that are made from them.
leo707
2012 May 25, 2:15am
errc I do appreciate this conversation and it is making me take a look at what I have been eating (I *ahem* admittedly have been doing some backsliding into junk food as of late).
First, millet has been more a staple to the asian diet than rice over the course of modern history. Millet glycemic index is 25 while rice is 65. However, rice is still much less unhealthy then wheat for the sake of comparing the asian diet to the western diet. western diet is based on wheat which brings in gluten, which white rice doesn't have. Asians also eat plenty of seafood, vegetables, and fatty oils. Not to mention, asians are inherently more insulin sensitive because they move around more then western dieters, even if it's just walking
This is still not a convincing argument that the conclusion is:
carbs make you sick
And that a carb eliminating Ketogenic is the healthiest solution.
The following quote (emphasis mine) does not indicate to me that whole grain carbs need to be cut.
errc says
What are the biggest culprits of chronic inflammation? Quite simply, they are the overload of simple, highly processed carbohydrates (sugar, flour and all the products made from them) and the excess consumption of omega-6 vegetable oils like soybean, corn and sunflower that are found in many processed foods.
This coupled with bob's observations that other cultures eat plenty of carbs without the sickness indicates to me that the real problem is all the processed food, not carbs per-say.
30g of crab or less per day will supposedly induce ketosis. I'm not advocating that everyone participate. What I will say is that I believe that it is the cure for diabetes/obesity and the littany of problems that some in modern science are now growing in numbers to agree is the cause of. I agree, the quality of your carbs is a factor. Eating 100g of carb per day from fruits and veggies is much better then eating a bowl of cereal with low fat milk.
Like I said, my 2010 self would call my 2012 self nuts. However after losing 25% of my body weight without exercise and only thru limiting my fuel intake has me a believer. Not to mention now, when I do stray, it shows so much when exercising or any physical activity for that matter. By limiting fuel intake, I mean I was eating many MORE calories, and much less carbohydrates. Like I said, 1/2lb of bacon with 3-4 eggs, a large salad loaded up with chicken and bc dressing at lunch and a XL fatty cut of meat with veggies for supper
You would never know the difference without trying for yourself, id suggest first reading taubes book why we get fat and what to do bout it (because its such an easy read and hammers home the point using data, and then trying a 30 day elimination diet. You'll likely find it very hard to go back to poisoning yourself with toxic foods. That doesn't mean you won't still crave pizza with root beer or ice cream at times, but if your like me and many others that have tried, you'll possible ditch bread altogether
How much carbs do asians actually eat? Are they actually free of diabetes and obesity? Where do their carbs come from?
leo707
2012 May 25, 2:59am
How much carbs do asians actually eat? Are they actually free of diabetes and obesity? Where do their carbs come from?
I have not double checked this, but this was apparently done in 1995 after a study of the "asian diet"
http://oldwayspt.org/resources/heritage-pyramids/asian-diet-pyramid/overview
I have seen that before. A little confusing to me, but like I said, millet>rice>wheat, imo
Here is a link to someone else that agrees with the anti carb theory, and their musings as to how or why asians seem to not suffer ills from rice. Is it not at least somewhat suspect that in the modern day, knowing all that we now know, that the "science" behind human nutrition is so muddled?
I have seen that before. A little confusing to me, but like I said, millet>rice>wheat, imo
Here is a link to someone else that agrees with the anti carb theory, and their musings as to how or why asians seem to not suffer ills from rice. Is it not at least somewhat suspect that in the modern day, knowing all that we now know, that the "science" behind human nutrition is so muddled?
You are correct. The article is a total muddle, dancing around to defend their pet theory in the face of contradictory evidence. Just from this article we learn that now there are Toxic carbs and non toxic carbs. Excercise makes you eat more unless you are Asian, then excercise makes you carb tolerant. There are carbs that can be part of in a no carb diet. Carbs are fine if eaten with unprocessed food. muddle, muddle, muddle. BUT, BUT, BUT wait, carbs cause inflammations, which leads to an epidemic heart disease and stroke, but somehow asians aren't dropping dead in large numbers. WTF.
Now your own postings have gone from "it's the carbs" to "its the type of carbs". Bullshit, it's the type of food, processed vs natural. Eat lots highly processed anything you will get fat.
Yet every single one of these thing you've posted seems to always come back to obliquely blaming processed foods with out ever standing up and saying it's the processed foods stupid.
If you are eating more calories than before and losing weight then god bless you. Bon Appétit. Whatever makes you happy. But just because walking around all the time in ketosis helps you lose weight does not mean it's a healthy state. It's healthier than being obese, but that's not the same thing as being healthy. It could be, but no one really knows. Feel free to be part of this grand experiment to find out. I'll pass thank you.
There is at least one control group that people that consume basically a no carb diet all the time, the Inuit of northern Canada. They actually have decent numbers for heart disease, diabetes, etc. EXCEPT you can't compare then to anyone else. The problem is their lifespan is so short. Only something like 3% make it over 65, where chronic lifestyle type problems really start showing up. Something to think about.
It could be, but noone really knows
Why so angry, robert? Little bit of a sugar crash after your shredded wheat biscuits and low fat milk?
I'm not trying to tell you what you ought to be eating. Feel free to wash down your snickers with a diet coke. I enjoy sharing the information, do with I what you will. Hell, go ahead and scientifically blow it apart. Ill ask again, no curiosity as to why nutrition is such a muddled science? Cui bono?
It could be, but noone really knows
Why so angry, robert? Little bit of a sugar crash after your shredded wheat biscuits and low fat milk?
I'm not trying to tell you what you ought to be eating. Feel free to wash down your snickers with a diet coke. I enjoy sharing the information, do with I what you will. Hell, go ahead and scientifically blow it apart. Ill ask again, no curiosity as to why nutrition is such a muddled science? Cui bono?
I don't see it as angry at all, just amazed that people could make so many contradictory statements in pursuit of their particular zeal.
I have a lot of curiosity, which is why I read up a quite a bit on the low carb fad as well as others that have come and gone. I haven't found where the low carb zealots have made a valid case yet. It seems with each fad that comes along the people involved are so passionate that reason goes out the window. Like statements saying "carbs make you sick" while you are obviously eating carbs yourself. It's like being pregnant, either you are or you aren't. Old joke:
Man: would you sleep with me for a million dollars.
Woman: A million dollars, ok.
Man: would you sleep with me for 10 dollars.
Woman: Of course not what kind of woman do you think I am.
Man: We established that already, we are just arguing price now.
Anything in excess will make you sick, too much water can kill you.
For the record I don't drink anything but water, despise low fat milk, don't eat any sugar (other than what naturally occurs in food), and eat almost no processed foods. I want my food fresh, local, and prepared from scratch as much as possible. My own food passion is avoiding processed food, but I can't find any contraindications for that one so I have to believe it's a valid position.
My question to you, why so defensive when people (not just me) point out the gaping inconsistencies in your passionate positions?
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The first lady says to those moms that are on a budget...
"There's a lot of healthy choices, eliminate sugar in those drinks. Drink water, and get up and dance. Dance to Beonce."
I'm still waiting for those healthy edible choices. We've got sugar covered, no one can afford it chief, we've been doing with out sugar for a while. And fresh produce and meats too. I guess we're not dancing hard enough.