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Oh yeah. FDR could have prevented Pearl Harbor, but didn't so he could get us into WWII. Also, he didn't help save the economy, he made it worse. The war he made us get into solved the depression. See?!?!? You can be a rightwinger!

2 nuts don't make a right!

FortWayne says

2 nuts don't make a right!

but they do make a scrotum

CL says

RE: Benghazi. For the life of me, can't figure out what the accused motivations are even supposed to be.

Obama said act of terror, not terrorism. That would help him how? The voter would make some distinction?

there is more to come... sooner than later!

Exclusive: Benghazi Talking Points Underwent 12 Revisions, Scrubbed of Terror Reference

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/05/exclusive-benghazi-talking-points-underwent-12-revisions-scrubbed-of-terror-references/

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/05/will-the-ghosts-of-benghazi-haunt-hillary-the-note/

ABC News has obtained 12 different versions of the talking points that show they were extensively edited as they evolved from the drafts first written entirely by the CIA to the final version distributed to Congress and to U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice before she appeared on five talk shows the Sunday after that attack. White House emails reviewed by ABC News suggest the edits were made with extensive input from the State Department. The edits included requests from the State Department that references to the Al Qaeda-affiliated group Ansar al-Sharia be deleted as well references to CIA warnings about terrorist threats in Benghazi in the months preceding the attack.

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Report Says al-Qaeda, CIA Warnings Deleted From Benghazi Talking Points

References to al-Qaeda and to CIA warnings of terrorist threats in Benghazi in the months before the attack on the U.S. diplomatic facility there were deleted from the now famous "talking points" delivered to Congress and U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Susan Rice, ABC News reported Friday.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/item/15362-report-says-al-qaeda-cia-warnings-deleted-from-benghazi-talking-points

CL says

Oh yeah. FDR could have prevented Pearl Harbor,

had this been Nixon, you would have accused him of covering up attacking another nation. just as much as you are covering up Obama disclaiming WE were attacked.

but i do understand you wish to ignore all the facts because it would tarnish Obama.

and it would at the end of 8 years to see Obama a far worst president than Bush

Remember Rightie tightie, Lefty Losey.

THese wacko dimbulbs listen to nothing that doesn't confirm their intellectually dishonest bullshit.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/cCqJtm6l_Co

What is the policy for terrorist attacks? Do we give them credit and publicity for succeeding? Encouraging more attacks ? Or is it up to them to claim credit, in which case we go after them ?

If terrorism and suspicion of terrorism was taken out of talking points, for what was said days after the Benghazi attacks, only a severely retarded imbecile, would think there aren't many legitimate reasons for doing this other than presidential politics.

EVen if they were 90% sure of who it was, why should they give them credit ? HAve we learned nothing since the Hostage Crisis back in the 70s. That kind of attention is the reason they do it. I'm sure there can be other more convoluted reasons, such as wanting to increase our presence there. But whatever the reason, they definitely wanted publicity for this. What they got, was everyone curious about a video that mocks Mohamed.

What,... perhaps you think the US government should have taken out full page ads all over the middle East, congratulating Al Queda?

thomaswong.1986 says

and it would at the end of 8 years to see Obama a far worst president than Bush

Don't you want to at least represent yourself and your highly partisan and gullible (Fox snorting) team members as being semi literate ?

marcus says

What is the policy for terrorist attacks? Do we give them credit and publicity for succeeding? Encouraging more attacks ? Or is it up to them to claim credit, in which case we go after them ?

Tell the Israelis Govt that.. they will laugh at you... they kicked the fuck out of the PLO.
they knew who got credit and went after them until they were dead.

marcus says

If terrorism and suspicion of terrorism was taken out of talking points, for what was said days after the Benghazi attacks, only a severely retarded imbecile, would think there aren't many legitimate reasons for doing this other than presidential politics.

EVen if they were 90% sure of who it was, why should they give them credit ? HAve we learned nothing since the Hostage Crisis back in the 70s. That kind of attention is the reason they do it. I'm sure there can be other more convoluted reasons, such as wanting to increase our presence there. But whatever the reason, they definitely wanted publicity for this. What they got, was everyone curious about a video that mocks Mohamed.

In short you dont know what leadership means. You dont know what to do when
you get the phone call at 2 am.

all the means is we have an incompetent administration and state department.

so who have you identified and who have you apprehended ?

Or the idea of going after another group of Muslim just too much for you to handle..

Send them to Gitmo and waterboard them... oh no! cant do that again!

thomaswong.1986 says

Tell the Israelis Govt that.. they will laugh at you... they kicked the fuck out of the PLO.

It's a little different when everyone knows who did it.

thomaswong.1986 says

In short you dont know what leadership means. You dont know what to do when

you get the phone call at 2 am.

I think it sometimes means doing things that are secret, or not widely publicly announced to the world, such as the CIA operation that was attacked in Benghazi.

I'm not sure that I understand that if some secret US operation is firebomebed, that then detailed transparent aspects of that CIA operation have to come out, and blow by blow details of information have to be given to the public in real time, or otherwise it means a whitehouse cover up.

I would think that standard operating procedure would be that a lot of that type of information would NOT be disclosed. Especially not immediately, when the situation is still being investigated, and plans for possibly going after the responsible people are underway.

FOx is correct in how stupid they think their fans are (ie you should be insulted by the garbage they feed you - but instead you lap it up). But don't you get it ? All the half way intelligent people simply don't buy any of their rubbish.

marcus says

I'm not sure that I understand that if some secret US operation is firebomebed, that then detailed transparent aspects of that CIA operation have to come out, or otherwise it means a whitehouse cover up.

as the same terrorists most likely fire bombed the UK Canadian and other consuls..where they also some intel/SIS operation ?

they were smart enough to see the danger and get out fast before anyone died.

but they were not under some illusion as Obama was with the Muslim nations he could appease.

In the late 90s the best thing they could get on CLinton is he flirted with some intern, and eventually fooled around with her. Congradulations. You must be so proud.

Now this is the best you can dig up on Obama.

It's pathetic, and shows you to be stupid and driven only by emotion. (your hate for the other political team).

marcus says

Now this is the best you can dig up on Obama.

dig deep.. obama has no experience ! and frankly his illusions of some Global Unity and Understanding with the Muslim world if fucked up royally.

marcus says

In the late 90s the best thing they could get on CLinton is he flirted with some intern, and eventually fooled around with her. Congradulations. You must be so proud.

Clinton was a fucking lying ass dog.. he is a fucking egotist prick who thinks more of himself than of the nation and its people. Its all about his Legacy..

He visited the SFBA more than enought times trying to get credit for the tech industry hiring boom. and frankly all he got was a dinner. no one wanted him here anyway.

I rest my case.

marcus says

I rest my case.

Yup, for folks like Thomas wong and many on the right, words speak louder than action.

The guy who attacked us on 9/11 walked scot free and continued taunting us throughout Dubya the shrub's term. Not only that, he kept releasing tapes taunting us and we couldn't do nothing about it. But I don't like Obama on many things, but he got Bin Laden-his policy did.

All Dubya the shrub did was attack a country that had nothing to do with it and hand over Iraq to the shia Iran. Oh and he stood under a banner that said, "Mission Accomplished." But Obama is the Muslim friendly one??!!

Now I don't like Obama on multiple issues , but I often wonder why republicans never pick those issues and seem to speak in soundbites.

lostand confused says

Not only that, he kept releasing tapes taunting us and we couldn't do nothing about it.

He did? When I sure would like to see one single tape with Osama after that 2002 J-dam strike that took out his bunker?

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says

What no one wants to address is why Michelle Obama led the attack on the US Embassy in Benghazi.

Stop trying to cover up for Chelsea Clinton.

lostand confused says

marcus says

I rest my case.

Yup, for folks like Thomas wong and many on the right, words speak louder than action.

The guy who attacked us on 9/11 walked scot free and continued taunting us throughout Dubya the shrub's term. Not only that, he kept releasing tapes taunting us and we couldn't do nothing about it. But I don't like Obama on many things, but he got Bin Laden-his policy did.

Dont you think it was stupid to say.. OBL "walked scot free". The guy was already deep in some cave god knows where. What made you think we were going to nab OBL anytime soon after 9/11 given he has lots of sympathizers in Afghanistan and Pakistan ? eventually thanks to 'enhanced interrogation' we found him. It took Israelis some 16 years to after Black September.

lostand confused says

All Dubya the shrub did was attack a country that had nothing to do with it and hand over Iraq to the shia Iran. Oh and he stood under a banner that said, "Mission Accomplished." But Obama is the Muslim friendly one??!!

Once again it boogles the mind you jackass dont recall how Al Qaeda attacked us before.
And certainly you seem to forget the whole move against these Muslim terrorist be they in any nation. Do any of these names ring a bell ? Abu Nidal, Abdul Rahman, Khala Khadr al-Salahat,

http://www.rightwingnews.com/column-2/debunking-8-anti-war-myths-about-the-conflict-in-iraq/

Saddam Hussein had no ties to terrorism. It’s amazing to me that today in 2005, people are still trotting out that oft-disproven quip. Christopher Hitchens was also apparently surprised when Ron Reagan, Jr. made a similar assertion recently and you may find his response to be most enlightening:

“CH: Do you know nothing about the subject at all? Do you wonder how Mr. Zarqawi got there under the rule of Saddam Hussein? Have you ever heard of Abu Nidal?RR: Well, I’m following the lead of the 9/11 Commission, which…

CH: Have you ever heard of Abu Nidal, the most wanted man in the world, who was sheltered in Baghdad? The man who pushed Leon Klinghoffer off the boat, was sheltered by Saddam Hussein. The man who blew up the World Trade Center in 1993 was sheltered by Saddam Hussein, and you have the nerve to say that terrorism is caused by resisting it? And by deposing governments that endorse it? … At this stage, after what happened in London yesterday?…

RR: Zarqawi is not an envoy of Saddam Hussein, either.

CH: Excuse me. When I went to interview Abu Nidal, then the most wanted terrorist in the world, in Baghdad, he was operating out of an Iraqi government office. He was an arm of the Iraqi State, while being the most wanted man in the world. The same is true of the shelter and safe house offered by the Iraqi government, to the murderers of Leon Klinghoffer, and to Mr. Yassin, who mixed the chemicals for the World Trade Center bombing in 1993. How can you know so little about this, and be occupying a chair at the time that you do?”

Mr. Hitchens is entirely correct. Saddam provided “safe haven” for terrorists with “global reach.” Among them were terrormaster Abu Nidal, Abdul Rahman Yassin, one of the conspirators in the 1993 WTC bombing, “Khala Khadr al-Salahat, the man who reputedly made the bomb for the Libyans that brought down Pan Am Flight 103
over…Scotland,”Abu Abbas, mastermind of the October 1985 Achille Lauro hijacking and murder of Leon Klinghoffer,” & “Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, formerly the director of an al Qaeda training base in Afghanistan” who is now believed to be leading Al-Qaeda’s forces in Iraq.

Without question, Saddam Hussein had extensive ties to terrorism.

Are you going to sit there and deny that terror sponsored states like Iraq, Libya, and Syria were all backing and training terrorists organizations for decades. Not to mention they all had projects to purchase or develop nuclear weapons... Where have you been ?

9/11 was the breaking point for any tolerance on any of these terrorist groups..be it OBL , Al Qaeda or any other muslim terrorists.

People in the know on such matters are saying that Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama personally funded and ordered the attack.