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FortWayne says

equal with normal people.

Unlike you. You are the one who isn't normal. So, by your own "logic," your marriage license must be taken away, before you pass along your defective genes.

FortWayne says

It's the stupid equality movement. All the retards always want to be equal with normal people.

Well, they are not equal. Marriage is for man and a woman, not anything else. Done!

Oh those pesky people. Asking for their rights again. The nerve. And I bet they don't look like you or talk like you. Probably over educated. Lazy. Not God fearing.

If only they were all blue eyed, blond, and marching in step ... because though your statements were meant to be inflammatory, truly they are about the most fascist thing I've seen on the boards. Well done.

Edit: capitalizing the G in god.

chanakya4773 says

equating civil rights fight for blacks to civil rights of gay people is an insult to the former.

(I'm sure gay black people agree with you.)

Yes, they are completely different. Gay people aren't being targeted by hate murders, they are being treated as typical citizens, and are extended all rights there in. Certainly no one calls them any derogatory names or slurs. There is nothing parallel or even remotely close to any previous civil rights movement.

On the other side, black people have also never been denounced by religions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_and_mark_of_Cain

As Mark Twain said, "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme."

Why is it amoral? What makes it so? This is your real hang up, so out with it.

The govt should get out of the divorce business and the child support business. Why on earth should Charlie Sheen be forced to pay 50k a month each to his two ex spouses as child support? To those two druggies, it is tax free. Half of essentials and that is it.

Let us become a free nation again, without the govt in every family's business. End the war on men-gay or straight. If republicans stop being so cranky and stuck in the 50s and start dealing with the problems of the modern world, they would have a lot more votes.

"self-correcting" implies that it's wrong in the first place. The 'correct' line can never be drawn.
That's enough reason to ditch science and pucker up to the 6000 year old itch...

Dan8267 says

Republicans fear science because it cannot be faked. It's a self-correcting, transparent system that exposes all fraud and all mistakes. In other words, it cannot be used to fool people into bad policies that benefit the few at the expense of the many.

lostand confused says

If republicans stop being so cranky and stuck in the 50s and start dealing with the problems of the modern world, they would have a lot more votes.

Yes, but they can't see that, because they have too many angry frightened trolls. FortHood is frightened that his TV has been taken over by black people, he can't accept the thought of gay couples actually being normal because without government instruction he can't decide for himself which sex to find more (un)attractive. Desperate closet cases (e.g., Bop69) demand the government must save them from themselves. Chan is a bundle of h8 too, as became clear with his obsessive comments purportedly in support of polygamists but really in his backhanded way trying to insult gay couples. Republican candidates have been stoking those coals for so long, it would take an extraordinary leader to handle them without getting burned, and they don't have one.

chanakya4773 says

Rew says

Yes, they are completely different. Gay people aren't being targeted by hate murders, they are being treated as typical citizens, and are extended all rights there in. Certainly no one calls them any derogatory names or slurs. There is nothing parallel or even remotely close to any previous civil rights movement.

what rights are you talking about? Gays couples already have all the rights as civil unions. fighting to change the definition of marriage would be like black people fighting to change the definition of blonde.

that's why its not equal to black civil rights movement.

A civil union is recognized by the state it is granted in. Marriage, not only is granted and recognized by the state, but ALSO has federal rights associated with it that are recognized and honored country wide (especially those involving labor, taxation, and benefits).

There are many marriage rights not granted by a civil union but here are the key ones:

- Immigration
- Social Security benefits upon death, disability or retirement
- Family and medical Leave
- Workers' Compensation protections for the family
- Access to COBRA
- Employee Retirement Income Security Act (i.e. you can leave money to your spouse)
- Exemptions from penalties on IRA and pension rollovers
- Exemptions from estate taxes when a spouse dies
- Exemptions from federal income taxes on spouse's health insurance
- The right to visit a sick or injured and have a say in life and death matters during hospitalization

The basic count goes like this:
Civil union : ~300 State rights
Marriage: ~1049 Federally recognized and state recognized rights

EDIT: If it makes you feel better to see it more aligned with women's rights and equality issues than fine. But gay rights are a current civil rights issue. Be sure of it.

EDIT 2: 1 Person dislikes facts.