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Having lived in both NorCal and SoCal, and even spent sometime in good old Eureka, I can say "smug" exist all over the state, it's just slightly different in certain regions.

Liberal/"Saving The World" Cali Smug - Usually found in SF Bay Area, some beach communities in SoCal
This type of smug you will encounter in politically liberal areas. The hipster, gay rights, no GMO, OCCUPY wall street, down with the 1%, I'm a social media master at a startup trying to bring fresh water to the 3rd world, my girlfriend doesn't shave her pits, but she's a philosophy major so she's so much more than hygiene, I claim to be agnostic/athiest but was probably raised catholic, and you only eat at Trader Joes or Whole Foods, crowd. These people can be condescending, and annoying, and the worst part about it is, if you try to shoooo them away, they will continue to berate your eating habits, and political leanings because they think they're trying to save you. "Also fuck the South, bunch of uneducated, bible thumping hill billies, unlike myself who is enlightened, educated, and high and mighty." Fuck, these liberal twats can be annoying.

Conservative/Aristocracy Cali Smug - Usually found in Orange County, West LA, parts of Marin County
The I only drive "german luxury sedans", my house is 3,000 sqft in a fortress community, no black people or hispanics in my neighborhood or white flight, who cares how foie gras is made, my boat is docked at the harbor and I use it 3 times a year, WASP to the bone, there is a gate blocking entrance to my neighborhood even though my city was ranked #1 safest city in all of the country, type of crowd. These are the type of people to cut you off on the road, or in line at the store, because... well, they're just more important than you, and fuck you, you peasant. I'll talk about my wealth, and tell you how much everything I bought cost just because it makes me feel good. BTW, my kid got into Harvard. Did you hear that? Harvard.

City Dweller Cali Smug - Found in major metropolitan centers, LA, San Diego, SF, etc
The I love the city life because I can get groceries at 2am, ride the MUNI back home from the bar, looks down upon "birthers" living in their boring burb bungalows, hanging out at the trendiest club in West LA dropping $25 a drink, wear a suit when I go to the local CVS because I just got off work, and I'm going to walk home to my 5th story 1 bedroom apartment that I pay $3,600 a month for in SOMA, there's no elevator but that's okay it's "cardio", but just in case I have my 2 year membership to 24 hour fitness where I go workout with my girlfriend or boyfriend, or just friends in general. Except I have none of those because I spend too much time at work, and I'm really anti-social because I'm jaded by society in general and I trust no one.

Those are the types of smug I've encountered numerous times in California. Strangely enough, I've met people who are a mix of 2 or even 3 of the above categories.

Goran, seen 'em all.

In recent years, immigrant version of #2 has become dominant in the "Silicon Valley" portion of the Bay.

B.A.C.A.H. says

Goran, seen 'em all.

In recent years, immigrant version of #2 has become dominant in the "Silicon Valley" portion of the Bay.

I can see that. Chinese version of that already happened in San Marino in SoCal.

Yup. If you see a new Lexus or Mercedes SUV on the road, keep clear. Doubly so if it is champagne colored. Aside from the fact that the driver is likely to be unsure of what planet they are driving on, your life has no value if the car you are in is older or costs less than theirs. If you are too poor to drive a $70k+ vehicle, it is clearly because you are too stupid and lazy to go out and make money.

Jokes aside, it's mostly a function of the fact that anyone with money over there has a driver and then they come here and have to do it themselves. Imagine learning everything you know about driving only by watching someone else navigate the roads in China for a decade. If you have ever been on the road there, you know what I mean. Americans are bad enough at driving as it is given the joke of a driver training program we have, but the driving test should be doubly stringent for foreigners.

That being said, I love, love, love living in California. Looking out over the coast in Orange County, I know I don't need Hawaii, or any other Pacific island, I have all the beauty right here.

But let's not act like our shit don't stink. People are super smug here. Feel extra sorry for the single guys who have to catch one of these California girls. Better have a thick wallet unless you find the unicorn who doesn't care.

Ceffer says

Faces of angels, bodies of goddesses, souls of pitch, covetousness and callow greed up the yang yang, the ethics of black widow spiders, look sweet but rough and mean...the perfect dumb stick Venus fly traps.

If you want a wife, go find yourself a nice Southern gal who has her values.

Hmm, in these parts that could very well be the same person.

Here in the SFBA (LA too, I suspect).

If that Southern Girl is a southern girl who is from southern Asia.

Ceffer says

If you want a wife, go find yourself a nice Southern gal who has her values, a good heart, who likes being a woman and has a practical head on her shoulders.

Wow, I hope by "Southern" you mean South American, not southeastern US Bible belt. The latter category aren't practical at all, I remember a sad and frightening BBC interview in the 2008 election where a husband and wife were asked about candidates. The husband talked about the economy and tried to weigh who would create jobs. The wife went on and on about how no one should vote for Obama, because his mother was an atheist; when asked about the economy, she said the good lord would provide. Read the original Cape Fear to get a handle on how deeply divided and misruled by preachers that part of the country is. There are individual exceptions of course, but the operating principle of divide & misrule governs the majority, and the mechanism of it is to get small children to accept an especially divisive set of beliefs so they can remain as divided as possible their whole lives. It's a bit like the weird foods that certain areas grow up with but no one else can stand, and that seem to have a function in identifying in-group vs outgroup. That kind of division may have conferred advantage in prehistoric times when human tribes weren't much bigger than ape pods, but it's a "severe conservative" handicap in larger civilizations.

But they are nice people.

Goran_K says

Better have a thick wallet

Sometimes a thick something else will suffice.

curious2 says

Read the original Cape Fear to get a handle on how deeply divided and misruled by preachers that part of the country is. There are individual exceptions of course, but the operating principle of divide & misrule governs the majority, and the mechanism of it is to get small children to accept an especially divisive set of beliefs so they can remain as divided as possible their whole lives. It's a bit like the weird foods that certain areas grow up with but no one else can stand, and that seem to have a function in identifying in-group vs outgroup. That kind of division may have conferred advantage in prehistoric times when human tribes weren't much bigger than ape pods, but it's a "severe conservative" handicap in larger civilizations.

I usually try to understand your often thoughtful and well documented commentary, but I have to admit, I need an interpreter for this one, it is a bit of a mish mash.

I was talking interpersonal relationships, companionship and friendship, not politics.

Ceffer says

I usually try to understand your often thoughtful and well documented commentary, but I have to admit, I need an interpreter for this one, it is a bit of a mish mash.

I was talking interpersonal relationships, companionship an friendship, not politics.

Thanks, I'll try to clarify. Watching the BBC interview, I couldn't help wondering, if these two have children, how are parents with such radically discordant worldviews going to get along? The father will be trying to encourage the children to plan ahead, think things through, evaluate candidates (or other choices) based on objective information. The mother will be telling them to ignore all that, focus on religion, hate the devil and the infidel, and the lord will provide. It's like seeing a physician married to a faith healer. It might also explain part of why the Bible belt has a higher divorce rate than the rest of the country.

the primary reason why Californians stay is that they adopt 'personal lifestyle choices' that are impossible anywhere else in the world except maybe New York but even that's a stretch these days. Yes indeed, the land of Fruits and Nuts is the only place for fruitcakes and nutjobs. Most of these 'lifestyle' choices are based around feminism, but not all.

Goran_K says

they will continue to berate your eating habits, and political leanings because they think they're trying to save you.

sounds like the Christians whom they completely despise.

MershedPerturders says

sounds like the Christians whom they completely despise.

I have found little difference between the Westboro Baptist Church types, and the Athiest who call anyone who believes in any higher power an idiot/brainwashed/robot.

Goran_K says

But let's not act like our shit don't stink. People are super smug here. Feel extra sorry for the single guys who have to catch one of these California girls. Better have a thick wallet unless you find the unicorn who doesn't care.

It is the same thing for California gals looking for a California guy. Some California men believe they are God's gift to the female and do not treat women with respect. Besides being flaky, non-committal, stingy, cheap, etc.

Also, a women's options are limited in the Bay Area because depending on where you live, there is a whole population of gay men, so that immediately decreases the playing field.

Lots of words in this thread, so for brevity sake

Duh. Its Cali-for-nye-aye!

ITS SO EFFEN COOL!

As a person who grew up in the Bay Area it really irks me that I have seen my generation (Gen X) be priced out of living here. Most of my friends and practically my entire hs graduating class had to move out to the Central Valley or Sacramento area or further to purchase a house and have a family, while their parents stay on in the Bay Area. The ones who have bought here either bought early in their twenties, are living in their parent's house, had major help from family to purchase a house, or are majorly struggling to keep afloat.

Sometimes I fantasize about moving out of the Bay Area where I could buy a large house with a huge modern kitchen and a big yard, but then I think I'd be THERE, not HERE. So I don't. I stay and suffer the indignities of not being able to afford what my parents (war generation) could afford, even though they made less than I do now. I can't even afford what my older siblings could afford (boomer generation), who bought their homes in the late 80's and early 90's. It comes down to: This is where I am from. My family is here. My friends are here. The weather is nice. And maybe I am being stubborn. I refuse to be pushed out of my home area.

Indiana Jones says

Sometimes I fantasize about moving out of the Bay Area where I could buy a large house with a huge modern kitchen and a big yard, but then I think I'd be THERE, not HERE. So I don't. I stay and suffer the indignities of not being able to afford what my parents (war generation) could afford, even though they made less than I do now. I can't even afford what my older siblings could afford (boomer generation), who bought their homes in the late 80's and early 90's. It comes down to: This is where I am from. My family is here. My friends are here. The weather is nice. And maybe I am being stubborn. I refuse to be pushed out of my home area.

This is the epitome of what people struggle with in pricier areas of SoCal and NorCal.

Goran_K says

I have found little difference between the Westboro Baptist Church types, and the Athiest who call anyone who believes in any higher power an idiot/brainwashed/robot.

LOL - if you see atheists disrupting the funerals of American soldiers, and even President Clinton's mother, with placards saying the deceased deserve eternal torment, then let me know. Even in red states, most people can see a huge difference. Maybe that's a point in favor of red states: since you rarely see Westboro adherents in coastal California, you may have lost some perspective here.

Indiana Jones says

a women's options are limited in the Bay Area because depending on where you live, there is a whole population of gay men, so that immediately decreases the playing field.

Yes, depending on where one lives / works or spends a lot of their time.

"Silicon Valley" has become a male ghetto.

Indiana Jones says

Also, a women's options are limited in the Bay Area because depending on where you live, there is a whole population of gay men, so that immediately decreases the playing field.

Presumably a lot of gays come from somewhere else and just group there. In which case it doesn't reduce the supply of (non-gay) men relative to the number of women.

You also have a huge supply of nerds, but women nowadays don't settle easily.

1. I like it here. My life is here. I've been here a long time and I'm happy.

2. I have everything I need. I don't want a bigger house. Wouldn't take a bigger house if you gave it to me.

3. The climate suits me.

4. Obviously money is not the prime motivation. If it were, I'd go someplace cheaper; I'm not an idiot. I just don't think more money would make me happier than living here does. Duh.

What is your interest in knowing why other people live where they live? The reasons are bound to be personal and not very interesting.

Indiana Jones says

Also, a women's options are limited in the Bay Area because depending on where you live, there is a whole population of gay men, so that immediately decreases the playing field.

you mean the only men who want to be around these Sex in the City broads are gays and flakes? say it aint so! this is a startling revelation indeed!

B.A.C.A.H. says

Yes, depending on where one lives / works or spends a lot of their time. Silicon Valley has become a male ghetto.

yes, that's the engine of what fuels Californias so-called 'production', so that the taxes generated can pay for the all the nitwits, 'teachers', public employees making millions, female doctors who can't count to 20, and all the other awesome californians. Also Illegal Alien slavery is another cornerstone of California's awesome economic powerhouseness. 5th largest bankrupt economy in the world mother!@#$ers!

MershedPerturders says

Indiana Jones says

Also, a women's options are limited in the Bay Area because depending on where you live, there is a whole population of gay men, so that immediately decreases the playing field.

you mean the only men who want to be around these Sex in the City broads are gays and flakes? say it aint so! this is a startling revelation indeed!

Lol that's what I tell every woman I date! They LOVE Sex in the City. You should see the look on their face when I tell them that the only one I'd band is Samantha, and only cause she actually enjoys sex.

If you really want to decode the Californian social value system and really UNDERSTAND why it is the way it is you NEED to look at Feminism. Feminism is overlooked by 'liberal' Californian types as it is one of the basic ASSUMPTIONS by which their society is operated and controlled.

Feminism was created by elites in order to cripple society. It was never a program to liberate anyone. It remains as one of the more compelling programs because 1) it targets half the population 2) it promises 'equality' and fingers men with 'stealing' the rights of women as they have fun all day at the coal mine, the office/bureau, etc. For instance feminism was a tough sell to farmers whose wives observed the hard work they did all day and had no desire to take their positions. Feminism promised these women more freedom, more wealth, more time to ... do what? be with their family? the image was never fully completed and as it evolved over the decades it got more and more absurd, surreal, and exaggerated. Today the birth rate is plummeting, the satisfaction of women is unbearably low, the level of tax revenue is at an all time high(two working 'spouses'). What did Feminism deliver? so far all it delivered on was increasing the anger and confusion levels of western women who now have no idea who their enemy is(they believe it is men- usually the men trying to have a normal relationship with them), and have no idea how to attain happiness(by having a family). Ultimately the program seeks to channel this increasing discontent back into the system by billing men AGAIN for this increasing dissatisfaction. Anyone so foolish to marry one of these harpies learns this lesson on average in 4-7 years when the divorce comes and the woman has all rights to his wealth in court.

So you still think that criticizing feminism and laying blame with feminists is uneducated, backward, and ignorant? I'm the one with empirical facts, historical evidence, and even tradition on my side while the feminists are have decades of promises and obviously insane social values that are not based in anything even resembling human.

dodgerfanjohn says

Lol that's what I tell every woman I date! They LOVE Sex in the City. You should see the look on their face when I tell them that the only one I'd band is Samantha, and only cause she actually enjoys sex.

yo dawg,

bros before hos dude!

whatever you do never marry a woman who watches this show. Best options for regular men these days are foreign wives, that is if you're still even interested in marriage. Marriage is in reality practically the opposite of how our society portrays it.

MershedPerturders says

Best options for regular men these days are foreign wives, that is if you're still even interested in marriage.

Speaking from experience are you? (as Yoda might say)

MershedPerturders says

Today the birth rate is plummeting, the satisfaction of women is unbearably low, the level of tax revenue is at an all time high(two working 'spouses'). What did Feminism deliver?

Right. Feminism convinced women they should do what men do, which generally is harsh and doesn't make them happy. This was conceived as a way to extend the workforce and grow the economy, not to help women.

As a result it now takes 2 salaries to pay for what one used to pay for.

And the more dramatic result is (I read that somewhere) 40% of working women age 40+ don't have kids. I know a lot of single women age upper thirties in SF who can't find a husband. These are bright educated women. But indeed there are few incentives for men to marry these days.

Think about this for a minute, nearly half the educated population will not reproduce. In one short flash in history, they will disappear without a trace, and leave the scene to uneducated masses. Great result!

MershedPerturders says

whatever you do never marry a woman who watches this show.

Sex in the City is the most anti-female show I have ever witnessed, disguised as modern feminism. It devalues women while flaunting female degradation, superficiality and disempowerment. The first time I watched that show was my last.

The feminist movement has given much to women in the western world - the right to vote, the right to choose whether or not to have a baby, for example. If you don't think the feminist movement has done any good, I suggest you travel to the middle east and notice the difference between western women and their sisters walking around in burqas.

I have to agree with you that somewhere along the line, the feminist movement of today has lost it's way. It has been co-opted. Now we are sending women into war battle grounds and setting them up to be raped in military zones. Sex and the City characters are lauded as modern female heroines. Men and women turn against each other. Divide and conquer is alive and well.

curious2 says

LOL - if you see atheists disrupting the funerals of American soldiers, and even President Clinton's mother, with placards saying the deceased deserve eternal torment, then let me know. Even in red states, most people can see a huge difference. Maybe that's a point in favor of red states: since you rarely see Westboro adherents in coastal California, you may have lost some perspective here.

I can count on one hand the amount of respectful atheist I have met in my life. The majority of them are just as bad as the bible thumpers they claim to despise.

Heraclitusstudent says

I know a lot of single women age upper thirties in SF who can't find a husband. These are bright educated women.

Ive got news for these women: if youre a woman it takes the brainpower of an amphibian to get a degree. All you need to do is kiss teacher's ass, and show up, and show a willingness to go along with the system. This includes medical, higher ed, and even research positions these days.

of course they can't find husbands. Go on OKCupid, there's a million 'awesome girls' out there who are really just totally useless from a male perspective. They complain, they contribute nothing, they're a dime a dozen, they're too old to have children, they have enormous debt. They are not marketable or attractive even though they regularly meet up with their girlfriends where they all convince each other how awesome they are.

what exactly am I getting with these 'awesome women' a rapidly aging medical and psychiatric liability who is guaranteed to spend incredible amounts of cash on plastic surgery, ego-expanding vacations, vanity items, and other shit. Did you know that 'vanity products' are one of the very few sectors that has not be hit by the economic downturn. You have to be out of your gourd to make a legal arrangement like marriage with one of these beasts.

these 'liberated' women are destroying the country and most of the west.

Indiana Jones says

Now we are sending women into war battle grounds and setting them up to be raped in military zones.

you want to vote? then you have to fight. sorry honey no pussy pass here.

the problem is with allowing women to vote is that they aren't responsible for anything. If they vote to do something that puts the country in harms way, they risk nothing- perhaps having to adjust to a new set of male dominators who they will proceed to 'date'. Sound like a paranoid 'Red Dawn' fantasy- just give it a few more years in our current direction.

not much has changed I'm afraid. Women belong in the home raising children and making the house. They've never succeeded at anything aside from this. For so long as you have women voting, you will get leaders like Obama and the nation will be subservient to the corporations - who have no such rules about 'equality'.

women are really no where near as intelligent as modern upbringing tells them they are. Take them out of this system they are surrounded by just for one moment and they have a nervous breakdown because reality comes pouring in.

turder, maybe they did find their husband, their "ex", when he found them in the foreign bride business. Till they got their green cards.

Foreign women the Best Option. Yeah right.

B.A.C.A.H. says

turder, maybe they did find their husband, their "ex", when he found them in the foreign bride business. Till they got their green card.

Foreign women the Best Option. Yeah right.

it's better than the American Whore option.

at least they still have a grasp of the basics, especially from L. America and Eastern Europe. American women are just damaged goods, mind and body raped by the Illuminati, I don't want anything to do with this trash. Anytime I see them being put in charge I know that the organization is shot(take Yahoo and Marissa Meyer for instance), thus I know to remove my money and my interest.

Just look at the popularity of Hillary Clinton- I rest my case.

dodgerfanjohn says

Lol that's what I tell every woman I date! They LOVE Sex in the City. You should see the look on their face when I tell them that the only one I'd band is Samantha, and only cause she actually enjoys sex.

I would also bang Samantha.

Ceffer says

My wife would watch the shows, but when there was an episode where Cary(??) dissed and ditched a guy for wearing topsiders, I had enough.

to show you how far I removed myself from this culture- I had to Google 'topsiders' to find out what they were.

Ceffer says

She continued to watch the series and the horrifying movies that came after. I forgive her.

They're especially popular with girls in College and also for a few years after while they're slowly finding out what position they are really in.

All of them believe that after they got their 'equal opportunity' that some awesome guy is going to materialize out of thin air and ask for their hand in marriage. Of course, women can't do math: if you take away the opportunities from men, then you have LESS SUCCESSFUL MEN. fun fact: no one comes to America to meet women, they are considered to be the least desirable(british are close second).

This is why women are particularly prone to 'playaz' and why it's incredibly easy to bed American women. Countless men have reported worldwide how incredibly dumb and gullible American women are. It's not gullibility: ITS DESPERATION. They are the last to admit that truly eligible bachelors are practically NO WHERE TO BE FOUND. IF you are a single mom or a divorcee, your chances of being happily married(that is, if youre an American woman) are practically ZERO.

The way I look at it: in time of yesteryear being unmarried was considered to be highly immoral. Today- it's entirely acceptable- which is why I do it. It's really the most logical and reasonable response to the changes they've made to the institution of marriage. I don't hate women, I just prefer for them to have as little impact on my life as I can manage.

turder, most of my friends are women. American women. Of course there are obnoxious people everywhere, especially here on the Left Coast. But there's lotsa decent people here too. Including women. I dunno WTF you are talking about.