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Strategist says

Hey Dan, look what you have done? Everyone is picking up on your bad logic.

The Dan Cancer is spreading.

War is hell, and a last resort. Young Men can be real assholes, and everybody with power gets corrupted, including the MBA holding Lt. General Whomever. Not something Lockheed-Martin wishes to promulgate, or Neocons for that matter.

thunderlips11 says

Yes. But the Military is generally uninterested in investigating or prosecuting it, as the comparison between the Military and the State of Calfornia shows.

Lets kick their butt and make them interested.

thunderlips11 says

Strategist says

Hey Dan, look what you have done? Everyone is picking up on your bad logic.

The Dan Cancer is spreading.

War is hell, and a last resort. Not something Lockheed-Martin wishes to promulgate, or Neocons for that matter.

How can anyone disagree with that.

Strategist says

Lets kick their butt and make them interested.

That's our job, the nagging Jewish Mother of America.

"Why didn't you prosecute more rapes? You think Menschkeit is not prosecuting rapes? Oh, if only Grandpa Washingstein could see you, I know he'd be embarassed."

Washington hanged a shitload of assholes whenever he found them in his own Army.

Etc.

Just to be clear the problem is being there is the first place.

The Army defends its people gee what a surprise.

Does the military make mistakes again gee what a surprise.

Does a centralized government with little accountability do bad things, gee what a surprise.

The problem is that they exist in the first place.

Will it get fixed? Nope, that is until the entire country fails.

Call it Crazy says

Strategist says

Lets kick their butt and make them interested.

I'm ready..... When do we start?

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At dawn we attack. Don't shoot until you see the whites in their eyes.
Give us freedom, or give us death.

Call it Crazy says

At dawn we attack. Don't shoot until you see the whites in their eyes.

Give us freedom, or give us death.

Just make sure it's after coffee.... I ain't worth a crap without caffeine!!

Our freedoms are at stake and you want coffee. How about breakfast in bed?This is why we lose wars.....totally spoilt Americans.
If Rin was here, he would want a lap dance just to wake him up.

Call it Crazy says

Strategist says

Call it Crazy says

At dawn we attack. Don't shoot until you see the whites in their eyes.

Give us freedom, or give us death.

Just make sure it's after coffee.... I ain't worth a crap without caffeine!!

Our freedoms are at stake and you want coffee. How about breakfast in bed?This is why we lose wars.....totally spoilt Americans.

I'll pass on the bacon and eggs you'll serve me in bed, but I need the coffee and caffeine..

You want me to shoot straight, don't you?

Just tell the infidels to sleep in late, then we'll be good!

Coffee, breakfast in bed, sleep in. What's next... a bandage for your boo boo? Is this a war or a vacation?
What ever happened to the good old days where we fought real wars?

Strategist says

What ever happened to the good old days where we fought real wars?

Those wars had clear objectives: Destroy the Empire of Japan. Eliminate the warmaking capability of the Nazi State.

Modern wars are primarily to prop up the MIC and Banks, so they have nebulous objectives and are endless.

Wars on tactics and human nature - terrorism and high-seeking - never end, because the goals are unachievable.

would be terrible if true.
no way to verify. could also be made up bullshit.

thunderlips11 says

All that torture of him and his wife (plus theft) all they could get on him was alleged illegal immigration.

Disgusting

they have.
you just don't have the security clearance like the rest of us to know about it.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

What's the question?

Why haven't the rapes committed by American soldiers in Vietnam been investigated?

you two are starting to worry me....

Call it Crazy says

I'll pass on the bacon and eggs you'll serve me in bed, but I need the coffee and caffeine..

You want me to shoot straight, don't you?

Strategist says

One day, when you have grandkids or great grandkids, a little boy and girl will sit on your lap and ask....Hey grampa, tell us the story of Strategist, whose ideas created the freedom we so enjoy. And you will say "Ah yes, humanity owes people like him a lot. I wish I could have been a little more like Strategist." Sigh!

No, if more people were like you I will be sitting in another country trying to explain to my grandkids why gulag America used be known as the home of the free and that Escape From NY wasn't a documentary film. They won't believe it of course.

I would never wish to be more like you comrade strategist. The founding fathers would have considered your ideas as abhorrent as elephant smegma in oatmeal. Obedience is freedom comrade.

If you were bright enough to read what people on the sharp end of the stick, real heroes who have been there and done that, say about the results you get from torture rather than the chicken hawk neocon walter mitteis you worship then you would know that what you are saying is pure bullshit. We went into the Iraq war based heavily on bad intelligence obtained by torture.

bob2356 says

Strategist says

One day, when you have grandkids or great grandkids, a little boy and girl will sit on your lap and ask....Hey grampa, tell us the story of Strategist, whose ideas created the freedom we so enjoy. And you will say "Ah yes, humanity owes people like him a lot. I wish I could have been a little more like Strategist." Sigh!

No, if more people were like you I will be sitting in another country

Which country would that be?

Strategist says

Let me repeat. WE DO NOT RAPE.

You can repeat a lie all you want. Doing so does not change the fact that it is a lie.

Strategist says

Where does it say we have a policy permitting rape?

The Nazis did not have a policy permitting rape and genocide. No evil organization publishes its intent to commit crimes against humanity. It's bad publicity.

What matters is what people do, not what they say they do.

Strategist says

If an individual rapes someone he gets punished.

Your statement is empirically false as proven by the numerous documented cases presented in this thread.

Strategist says

Anyone can say anything. Means nada.

I can see how you would get this impression by watching Fox News. But in the real world, there's this thing called objective, verifiable reality -- contrary to what you might have heard from Heraclitusstudent.

Whenever presented with evidence, you simply discard any evidence that contradicts your incorrect worldview.

In contrast I'd be willing to accept that we're all sperm inside a great big Smurf's balls if and only if the evidence supported it. Facts come first and political agendas come second.

Reality is whatever it is regardless of what we want it to be. This is the worldview that everyone should adopt.

Strategist says

If someone breaks the rules and rapes, lets severely punish them. That is our policy.

Therefore WE do not rape. HE, the rapist, raped.

Again, you demonstrate your ignorance of even recent history. It does not matter what our government says our policies are. Our government has, and still does have, unwritten policies that torture, including using rape as torture, as weapons.

Gitmo is a perfect example of this.

Yeah, you can make a point that governments and organizations don't do ANYTHING, and that all actions are the decisions of individuals. We aren't arguing against that. However, the individuals who run our government and act as the authority and the military DO commit these crimes. You can't wipe away the guilt by using tricky diction.

And as an American, you should be demanding a stop to these crimes. That would be the patriotic thing to do. Waving a god-damn flag means nothing.

Strategist says

If that makes US rapists, then the whole world is a rapist. Because it happens everywhere. Am I right?

Not by a long shot. The U.S.'s behavior is typical of an empire. There has never been an empire in human history that hasn't been evil. However, most countries aren't empires and most people don't live in an empire.

Strategist says

Hey Dan, look what you have done? Everyone is picking up on your bad logic.

The Dan Cancer is spreading.

Your verbal masturbation spreads intellectual herpes.

[Don't get into a war of the wits with me. You'll lose.]

The bottom line is that we should not accept acts of terror by the IS or by the US, and for the exact same same reasons.

Strategist says

Which country would that be?

New Zealand most likely since I'm a citizen. Chile and Andorra are a real consideration.

bob2356 says

We went into the Iraq war based heavily on bad intelligence obtained by torture.

Yeah but today, all a president needs is a gut feeling, to push a button and unleash a swarm of lethal missile shooting drones.

Your President owes a great debt to Bush for paving the way for his impunity.

I find it fascinating that idiots think the people far above their intelligent levels are idiots. This phenomenon seems to be unique to morons. The obese don't think the anorectic are fat. The crippled don't think the able are slow. The rich don't think the poor have too much money -- oh, wait -- damn, there goes that theory.

Dan8267 says

I find it fascinating that idiots think the people far above their intelligent levels are idiots.

Intelligence is environmental. To truly be intelligent, you need people to acknowledge it. I mean you stick someone like Einstein in a third world country, where he didn't know the language. He would have only been as smart as the person he spoke broken English too, while trying to explain his theory of Relativity. Or German or Romanian or any of the languages that Einstein did speak, but not the language of this Island.

Your intelligence level doesn't mean squat, if you don't have people to kiss your ass, and tell you just how smart you are.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

Let me repeat. WE DO NOT RAPE.

You can repeat a lie all you want. Doing so does not change the fact that it is a lie.

You can call it a lie all you want. Doing so does not change the fact that it is the truth.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

Where does it say we have a policy permitting rape?

The Nazis did not have a policy permitting rape and genocide. No evil organization publishes its intent to commit crimes against humanity. It's bad publicity.

What matters is what people do, not what they say they do.

So we have a policy to rape, but we don't announce it because it's bad publicity. Really.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

If an individual rapes someone he gets punished.

Your statement is empirically false as proven by the numerous documented cases presented in this thread.

Bullshit. You just have bizarre claims. Not evidence.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

If someone breaks the rules and rapes, lets severely punish them. That is our policy.


Therefore WE do not rape. HE, the rapist, raped.

Again, you demonstrate your ignorance of even recent history. It does not matter what our government says our policies are. Our government has, and still does have, unwritten policies that torture, including using rape as torture, as weapons.

Gitmo is a perfect example of this.

Prove it.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

If that makes US rapists, then the whole world is a rapist. Because it happens everywhere. Am I right?

Not by a long shot. The U.S.'s behavior is typical of an empire. There has never been an empire in human history that hasn't been evil. However, most countries aren't empires and most people don't live in an empire.

Who says only empires rape. Stop making things up. Besides, we are not an empire.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

Hey Dan, look what you have done? Everyone is picking up on your bad logic.

The Dan Cancer is spreading.

Your verbal masturbation spreads intellectual herpes.

[Don't get into a war of the wits with me. You'll lose.]

LOL. What wit have you displayed? If it makes you feel better I'll let you win.

CaptainShuddup says

bob2356 says

We went into the Iraq war based heavily on bad intelligence obtained by torture.

Yeah but today, all a president needs is a gut feeling, to push a button and unleash a swarm of lethal missile shooting drones.

Your President owes a great debt to Bush for paving the way for his impunity.

Why is he my president? I didn't vote for him. I voted for Bush once, but that was a big mistake.

Yes obamo owes a tremendous debt to bush for paving the way to the total destruction of american society. They are truly the same person. I would say whoever comes next has to be better but that's not true.

bob2356 says

CaptainShuddup says

bob2356 says

We went into the Iraq war based heavily on bad intelligence obtained by torture.

Yeah but today, all a president needs is a gut feeling, to push a button and unleash a swarm of lethal missile shooting drones.

Your President owes a great debt to Bush for paving the way for his impunity.

Why is he my president? I didn't vote for him. I voted for Bush once, but that was a big mistake.

Yes obamo owes a tremendous debt to bush for paving the way to the total destruction of american society. They are truly the same person. I would say whoever comes next has to be better but that's not true.

The guy you really want to be President does not exist.
I thought you said you were a citizen of New Zealand. Have you been voting here illegally? OMG.

sbh says

You're too ignorant to realize you said "have drank"

Look out: You argued with idiots, and they drug you down to their level!

"Drank" - hee hee!

I'm beginning to believe in those "English only" ballot initiatives.

Strategist says

The guy you really want to be President does not exist.

I thought you said you were a citizen of New Zealand. Have you been voting here illegally? OMG.

So you are saying In a country of 330 million people there isn't anyone better than bush worst president #1 or obama worst president #2 to run the country? I rest my case, america is toast.

It's possible to have more than one citizenship. I have 3 and 2 permanent residencies. I get to vote in 5 countries. I'm going to be starting on my 4th citizenship next year.

Would you want to lead this country with out any economic gain for your self, just governing in the interest of this country. For the salary of $72K a year?

That's what the salary was back in 1983 when my 10th grade Civics teacher said it was the salary for being the Prez.

Actually the salary these days are a lot more something like $450K, and the salary alone, is good reason to wanna be President.

While most are making less than our 1983 counterparts were, the president is enjoying a 500% wage inflation.

BAM!!!

96 fucking reasons people!

Call it Crazy says

Strategist says

Lets kick their butt and make them interested.

I'm ready..... When do we start?

*

*You* look like you can barely hold that thing!

I'll bet it's pointing straight up and *you're* flat on your ass after every shot too.

bob2356 says

Strategist says

The guy you really want to be President does not exist.


I thought you said you were a citizen of New Zealand. Have you been voting here illegally? OMG.

So you are saying In a country of 330 million people there isn't anyone better than bush worst president #1 or obama worst president #2 to run the country? I rest my case, america is toast.

I'm the only one who can be better than both, but I'm not running. Your choice is narrowed to two lying politicians. Sorry.

Strategist says

I'm the only one who can be better than both

You are truly a legend in your own mind.

CaptainShuddup says

In the 2008 United States election, I wrote in Ron Paul for President. In the 2012 election, I will be voting for Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson. Those who are of a more leftist persuasion than myself might want to consider voting for Green Party candidate Jill Stein.

And what exactly will you accomplish by that? Earn bragging rights at the next cocktail party you attend? Gonna tell people that you are creating "awareness" like the ice bucket challenge? It just seems like it's too little too late.

Strategist says

I'm the only one who can be better than both, but I'm not running. Your choice is narrowed to two lying politicians. Sorry.

I'll vote for you. I would expect just 1 small political favor down the road though

komputodo says

Strategist says

I'm the only one who can be better than both, but I'm not running. Your choice is narrowed to two lying politicians. Sorry.

I'll vote for you. I would expect just 1 small political favor down the road though

I take bribes too.

CaptainShuddup says

For the salary of $72K a year?

That's what the salary was back in 1983 when my 10th grade Civics teacher said it was the salary for being the Prez.

Well, that's bullshit. The Presidents Salary reached 200K in 1969.

http://www.presidentsusa.net/presidentsalaryhistory.html

By the way, the President gets a pension too.

I got a dislike for that comment already. Somebody dislikes simple facts ? Gee, I wonder what political party they prefer.

I'll probably get 3 dislikes for this one,...for implying the obvious.

marcus says

I got a dislike for that comment already.

Do you wanna FRESH ONE!!!

Nah jk, I don't know why people do that.

OK maybe it was Senate salaries.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0854828.html

The point is, it's not a lot of money, and why on earth would anyone want to be President or a Senator, it's not for the crappy pay?

The game is rigged and expected that they'll have little side bar deals going on the whole time. There's just no honesty left.

CaptainShuddup says

The game is rigged and expected that they'll have little side bar deals going on the whole time. There's just no honesty left.

Tru Dat, but they also are paid that salary for the rest of their days, after they retire.

Also I think they like the attention and become extremely arrogant.

CaptainShuddup says

The game is rigged and expected that they'll have little side bar deals going on the whole time. There's just no honesty left.

This makes no sense to me, relative to Presidents pay.

For one thing 400K which started in 2001 is good money. On top is a 50K expense account and a 100Ktravel account. And they get a pension of almost 200K per year for the rest of their life, and then theres speaking fees, whcih Obama will get big time (being the compelling orator he is). Obama is also already worth millions from his books.

All of this is above board and honest. What are you talking about ?

Still, I don't think any of them do it for the money. Maybe it factors in, that financially, it's not a bad move.

I'm not sure whether having to have fame and secret service for the rest of ones life is a good or a bad thing. Probably depends on the person.

400K is not shit when you're hemorrhaging the money that it takes to maintain a regal lifestyle. I mean Robbin Williams is proof of that.
He got so successful at onetime, that the weight of his success from yesterday was a burden too big to bare in the present. He was living the lifestyle of a guy that had two box office success movies at the same time. While he was making 3 to 4 movie flops a year, and even had a TV show cancel on him after one season.

Unless you're going to live a modest lifestyle in a Burbdale Ranchero house at the end of a culdisac, that $400K is just enough pay the bills and stay broke.

Especially in an age where inflation is ignored.

CaptainShuddup says

400K is not shit when you're hemorrhaging the money that it takes to maintain a regal lifestyle. I mean Robbin Williams is proof of that.

Do you know what your point is ?

Robin Williams ? He didn't have to work anymore if he didn't want to. He had a 9 figure net worth. IF he was torn about to work or not, it would have been that he felt he should, because of how much he could make for charitable foundations or whatever. He was set.

Yes, 400K is not THAT much. But OBama is worth millions now, and will make millions more after his Presidency in speaking fees. All above board stuff.

CaptainShuddup says

The game is rigged and expected that they'll have little side bar deals going on the whole time. There's just no honesty left.

??

marcus says

Yes, 400K is not THAT much. But OBama is worth millions now, and will make millions more after his Presidency in speaking fees. All above board stuff.

Somebody is making my point now.

As for Robbin Williams his monthly nut was probably most of Patnet's yearly salaries combined. No you don't rest on your laurels when you own Mansion estates and a winery in Napa Valley.