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zzyzzx says

The only part of that infographic that was wrong was the 2nd amendment part. I'm pretty sure that Sanders hates the idea of anyone except the government and criminals having guns, just like every other Democrat.

The Second Amendment doesn't mention guns. It's about arms. Do you believe in the Second Amendment?

thunderlips11 says

Disagree with a few of the checks and x's,

I had to give Trump the benefit of a doubt on a few issues. He has no actual political history to confirm or deny what he says his beliefs are.

Why wouldn't Bernie supporters go to Trump?

They're the two candidates who have accomplished the least in government, and can make all sorts of promises as to what they will do without getting into budgetary specifics. They're both pure, because they haven't yet tried to get anything done in Washington, and weren't planning to anyway - they're both shocked to have gotten this far.

Like that cool uncle who tells you it's okay to make Vodka floats and build a bonfire in the living room.

Bill seems to be out of the picture most of the time. Hillary must have him on a tight leash.

look at hydro sitting in a big clinton wetspot. Give it a rest, puke

Bill stays out of the spotlight, for the same reason Hillary does. They both project a negative image. The best thing that ever happened to hillary, was Trump coming along to suck up all the attention. Had Hillary been the focal point for the media over the last couple months, she'd be dead in the water by now (her chances at presidency)

A little sunshine will kill off the mold in short order

YesYNot says

Will Sanders' supporters flock to Trump?

Who is Will Sanders?

Can we get a sneak peak of how Great America is going to be with president Trump, turtledove? ;o

#TrumpVsClinton

turtledove says

Who is Will Sanders?

Will Sanders is a french horn player, solo horn for the Bavarian Radio Symphony Orchestra in the 1990s, and solo horn at Bayreuth from '92 to '97 (an extremely demanding position, due to repeated performances of the Ring Cycle operas).

Here he is (on the right) doing some Beethoven:

www.youtube.com/embed/TQ5p-lKlsYk

There are also some YouTube clips of his solos on Dmitri "ApocalypseFuck" Shostakovich's 10th Symphony that are pretty badass.

I think so:

www.youtube.com/embed/QnTb5JDozMs

zzyzzx says

Well if the Colonel is a Trump supporter, I'm convinced.

Logan Mohtashami says

Only legit change for Trump is Bernie.

Why post a graph where the two lines always add up to 100?

www.youtube.com/embed/hOjJUgADNaI

HydroCabron says

Why post a graph where the two lines always add up to 100?

Everyone be mindful, general is much different than primary, 100 million votes more

Take a look at your first map

Homer is a great representative for a Trump voter.

7 States, it's all up to 7 States to win the White House and if Bernie voters reject Clinton, Trump is fair game to win the White House

Logan Mohtashami says

7 States, it's all up to 7 States to win the White House and if Bernie voters reject Clinton, Trump is fair game to win the White House

If it's up to those 7 states, Trump will lose for certain. His best (only) chance is to turn Pennsylvania and Michigan in addition to Ohio and Wisconsin.

He isn't winning New Mexico, Colorado, and Nevada will be a big longshot. Even Florida is going to be really tough.

November is a long way away. Between now and then, you're going to start seeing a lot of Trump supporters pushing back at the liars calling him and his supporters racists.

I think when we start treating THEM like they have been treating us. I think they will change.

I agree, November is a long way off. Trump has the whole summer and fall to expose the Hildabeast for the lying, cheating, swindling, hopeless, heartless, four flushing, back room dealing, vote selling, bribe taking, unfaithful, traitorous, murderous, sack of monkey shit that she is!
God bless America!
Holy shit!

Logan Mohtashami says

Everyone be mindful, general is much different than primary, 100 million votes more

Take a look at your first map

I'm afraid Clinton is doomed.
All he has to do is start sounding serious and talk in a slightly more PC way.
Liberal democracy was always an utopia. Humanity was born out of tribalism and will always gravitate back to it.

Logan Mohtashami says

7 States, it's all up to 7 States

Your picture would be more meaningful if it showed the 7 states in question.

zzyzzx says

Your picture would be more meaningful if it showed the 7 states in question.

Good Point
2004

First baseline map

2012

Ohio
Florida
North Carolina
Colorado
New Mexico
Arizona
Virginia

PA could be in play if Sanders voters go Anti Hillary

If Bernie Supporters go Full Hilary and Anti Trump Republican don't vote

8 Million plus for Clinton

In short, the only way Trump wins General is if Bernie's people go Nader on America again

Tenpoundbass says

you're going to start seeing a lot of Trump supporters pushing back a

who's doing the raping? who's doing the raping? we gotta build the wall to stop those drug dealing rapist mexicans!

block all the muslims!!

and its only fucking brown people calling him a racist anyways, they don't count! they are almost animals!

Be mindful that Clinton even though it's the primary has gotten most votes out anyone

Quigley says

I agree, November is a long way off. Trump has the whole summer and fall to expose the Hildabeast for the lying, cheating, swindling, hopeless, heartless, four flushing, back room dealing, vote selling, bribe taking, unfaithful, traitorous, murderous, sack of monkey shit that she is!

Also the Establishment is Trump's best tool. They promote him with every attempt they try to vilify him. They are the last people to be vilifying anyone.

I can't help but think the media had just ignored Donald even during his campaign. The media would have had his Trump fans pissed off for the media trying to pigeonhole Trump.
But the average voter, who Trump won over, would have been buffered from it. The media made Trump's case every time they attacked him. The coordinated efforts were also very telling.
He went from low 30's to high 40's just on that alone.

The Media empire now, can't NOT do what they do, try to spread false information. They are going to bombard the American people with so much anti-Trump propaganda.
People are going to run for shelter in the direction of Trump's camp.

Oh and Senior Asshole, in Mexico is apologizing now, and want's to talk about that wall.

SANTA MONICA, California — During an exclusive interview with Breitbart News, former Mexican President Vicente Fox apologized Wednesday for the vulgar language he has used regarding GOP frontrunner Donald Trump’s proposal to build a wall along the southern border and invited the likely Republican nominee to Mexico to see the border from the other side.

Earlier this year, Fox said that he would not pay for Trump’s “f*cking wall,” and called Trump ““Ignorant … crazy … egocentric … nasty … [a] false prophet.” Trump then called on Fox to apologize

On Wednesday, he did so — in an exclusive interview with Breitbart News — and added that he wanted Trump to come to Mexico to see the border from the other side.

“I apologize. Forgiveness is one of the greatest qualities that human beings have, is the quality of a compassionate leader. You have to be humble. You have to be compassionate. You have to love thy neighbor,” Fox explained to Breitbart News while sitting in the hotel of the J.W. Marriott in Santa Monica, California on Wednesday afternoon.

www.youtube.com/embed/i9QEAtcz3o8

Logan Mohtashami says

Be mindful that Clinton even though it's the primary has gotten most votes out anyone

True. But she was also in a two way race, unlike Trump, for most of the key part of past critical primary season.

Trump, despite being in 7, then 5, then 3 way races until yesterday after the Indiana Primary, has garnered 10.6 Million votes; Hillary 12.5 Million. If Kasich and/or Cruz dropped out in early April, when it was impossible for them to win the necessary delegates, Trump's numbers would probably be a few million higher.

Tenpoundbass says

Also the Establishment is Trump's best tool. They promote him with every attempt they try to vilify him. They are the last people to be vilifying anyone.

I expect we'll see more SJW Hoax style news, in the vein of the Self-Punching Art Trust Fund Dilletante. But even that sort of thing is backfiring.

The Media is such a closed circle of non-ideologically diverse self-selected professionals, they think running footage of Mexicans burning US Flags or signs about making California Part of Mexico garners sympathy and support for Hillary and against Trump.

"Nobody *I* know voted for Nixon*"

Of course, the Nixon in this race is Hillary. She will ruin the Democratic brand for a decade if elected.

* In fairness this was a self-effacing comment where the lady was criticizing herself for being blindsided due to her closed circle; but when in doubt, print the legend

Logan Mohtashami says

I am looking for Clinton to pick Castro as a V.P.

Isn't Fidel long in the tooth? Admittedly they are both from the same party.

Hillary 12.5 Million

How many of those came from Georgia, Texas etc? States that have zero impact in November

indigenous says

Isn't Fidel long in the tooth? Admittedly they are both from the same party.

Castro Sec. of the HUD

Democrats for once thinking long term here with the VP pick

Clinton is aged no need for experience pick and their isn't a Dem out there that could push a state for them.

Castro is young and Hispanic. 90% of the labor force growth and future new voting block are going to be Hispanic.

It would be a brilliant long term pay and will make it harder for Bernie to run against Clinton in 2020 which I expect to happen.

Ironman says

I can't believe a smart guy like you who understands numbers would actually make a statement like that

Trump Popular Vote Total - 10,644,396

Clinton Popular Vote Total 12,432,259

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Logan Mohtashami says

Trump Popular Vote Total - 10,644,396

Clinton Popular Vote Total 12,432,259

Trump - 3,5,7 way race until after last night's primary.
Clinton - 2 way race against a backbencher Socialist from one of the most rural and least populated states, who just beat her in another surprise victory.

If it had just been Trump vs. Cruz since March's Super Tuesday, Trump would probably surpass Hillary in votes.

thunderlips11 says

Trump would probably surpass Hillary in votes.

That is a variable that isn't part of the equation, the thesis was that Clinton has more votes than Trump.

What you can say, is that in the Primary, Republicans came out more to vote than Democrats

In either case, Primary voting is 100-120 million less votes.

The general is a much bigger platform that favors Dems

Mind that

Republicans have lost 5 out of the last 6 even with a favorable demographic profile and now they have a candidate that the party since I have been following can't fully get 100% behind

So, the only other thesis that gives Trump any kind of remote chance is...

Bernie Sanders, if Bernie's peeps don't come out to vote for Clinton, that levels the general election play ground

If the Dems are full force against a fractured Republican Party... that's not a winning ticket

Have to remember, Trump isn't a conservative, he is running as Republican. Many Americans who are conservative, can never vote for Trump.

I am giving you guys the number data runs, it's early, but if you want to win the general election, there are rules, mathematical rules that can bend but not break

:-)

Logan Mohtashami says

That is a variable that isn't part of the equation, the thesis was that Clinton has more votes than Trump.

She does. But if Biden or Warren or anybody else ran and it was a 3-way, she'd have way less than 12+M votes herself.

BTW, the very low democratic turnout, even with the kids coming out for Sanders, does not bode well for the Democrats.

Polls are polls, but they don't measure enthusiasm. As I said, somebody might say they hate Trump and love Hillary b/c all their Admin pals in the School Office agree.

Whether that somebody actually votes instead of buying Hagen Daas on the way home for another night with Sex in the City reruns with Fluffy the Cat at her side, that's another thing altogether.

The biggest trend right now is two-term altering party Presidencies, since 1992 and actually, with only a couple of exceptions (Carter, Bush the Elder) since 1952.

Hillary is going down. Any other dem candidate would have had an easier time, but she has way too dirty of a past to leave anything but the taste of shit in voters mouths when it's bought to light.
A few catchy memes about the Clinton foundation should do it.
Like the one I saw today: the only Clinton I'd want for president is George!