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joeyjojojunior says

Actually, she was investigated and the finding was no crime. Let's allow the same process with Trump.

Trump isnt under investigation. The senate judiciary committee https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/05/11/2017/executive-business-meeting-1 does make reference to individuals under investigation. They are clear Trump is not one of those individuals.

So I think you mean allow the same process for these unnamed (not-Trump) individuals. Yes, we agree.

joeyjojojunior says

lol--now saying you haven't heard anything is conclusive? I thought it meant nothing before.

You really dont even try do you?

Go listen to exactly what they say. Comey told Grassley the exact names of those under investigation. Trump was not one of those names. This is conclusive.

The answer is right under your nose and you wont even look at it. Just amazing.

CBOEtrader says

The senate judiciary committee https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/05/11/2017/executive-business-meeting-1 does make reference to individuals under investigation. They are clear Trump is not one of those individuals.

Here's what it says:

"Mr. Comey did brief Ranking Member Feinstein and me on who the targets of the various investigations are. It would not be appropriate for me to reveal those details before the professionals conducting the investigations are ready. So, I will not answer any questions about who are targets of the ongoing Russia investigations. But I will say this: Shortly after Director Comey briefed us, I tweeted that he should be transparent. I said he should tell the public what he told Senator Feinstein and me about whether the FBI is or is not investigating the President.

On Tuesday, the President’s letter said that Director Comey told him he was not under investigation. Senator Feinstein and I heard nothing that contradicted the President’s statement. Now Mr. Comey is no longer the FBI director. But the FBI should still follow my advice. It should confirm to the public whether it is or is not investigating the President. Because it has failed to make this clear, speculation has run rampant."

I agree that Grassley is clearly implying that Trump is not currently one of the people under investigation, but nowhere does he say so. Given all the lying and misdirection so far, it certainly isn't proof of anything.

CBOEtrader says

Comey told Grassley the exact names of those under investigation. Trump was not one of those names. This is conclusive.

Great--can you provide the quote where Grassley says specifically "Tump is not under investigation"?

I already did. You are clearly looking to spin a direct statement. You can't. Grassley was conclusive. He said after Comey debriefed him on the exact names of those under investigation, that Trump's statement regarding not being under investigation was accurate.

CBOEtrader says

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/05/11/2017/executive-business-meeting-1 Minutes 26-29 for starters.

Grassley, about Trump's statement that he wasnt under investigation in his Comey letter, in regards to the confidential briefing Grassley was given by Comey regarding the targets of existing investigations, Grassley says: "Senator Feinstein and I heard nothing that contradicted the President’s statement” then followed w "he [Comey] should tell the public what he told Senator Feinstein and me about whether the FBI is or is not investigating the President".

Case closed. You're welcome.

Actually listen to it this time. Facts matter. Go to the source and stop allowing your soft brain to be manipulated by the MSM.

lostand confused says

Most normal people already accept that. Those of you on the left will never-so it does not matter.

I don't know what you think most "normal" people are accepting.
- Comey's firing being a positive thing?
- The ongoing Russian investigations being conclusive and absolve the Trump campaign?

I see no polling data or studies suggesting that Americans feel the above. I can find some sources saying quite the opposite.

CBOEtrader says

Rew says

No findings have been brought forward yet

I'm glad we agree

CBOEtrader says

Trump has never been under investigation as per testimony from every source who has discussed it thus far.

CBOEtrader says

Case closed. You're welcome.

Because Trump himself is not under investigation now, doesn't mean he won't be, as the Russian investigations continue. He isn't home free here, and he is acting like there is something there. Additionally, if his campaign and close members are accused of wrongdoing, Trump himself is smeared and tainted by that, regardless of whether any charges are brought against him himself.

I don't care if this leads to Trump's impeachment. I don't care if it puts Trump under direct investigation.

I care that the investigation is actually done and done in a non-partisan, independent, way. All Americans should care about this, and care about it being done in that manner, so we may all accept the results and understand if our electoral process was circumvented or tampered with. It is fundamental to our Democracy. Not demanding it is pretty un-American altogether.

This isn't about Trump, it's about Russia.

CBOEtrader says

Actually listen to it this time. Facts matter

Exactly. The fact is nobody has flatly stated that Trump is not under investigation.

Rew says

Additionally, if his campaign and close members are accused of wrongdoing, Trump himself is smeared and tainted by that, regardless of whether any charges are brought against him himself.

Was Obama smeared by Hillary's investigation? So far noone in Trump's campaign has been accused of a crime, outside of fake news hysteria. Though, someone is under investigation so we shall see.

Rew says

is not under investigation now, doesn't mean he won't be, as the Russian investigations continue.

So NOW you are saying Trump shouldn't do his job because he might maybe one day be under investigation? Or that someone in his 1000 person administration might maybe be under investigation, and therefore he can't fire the FBI director despite cause? Again, this is pure conspiracy nonsense. Make up any fantasy you want.

joeyjojojunior says

Exactly. The fact is nobody has flatly stated that Trump is not under investigation.

Grassley did exactly that.

CBOEtrader says

joeyjojojunior says

Exactly. The fact is nobody has flatly stated that Trump is not under investigation.

Grassley did exactly that.

So did Trump, for the record.

The fact is nobody has shown evidence for your conspiracy theory, yet you refuse to acknowledge provable facts.

CBOEtrader says

Hillary is still relevant because of the hypocritical way in which your team demands kangaroo justice w Trump but lets Hillary walk away from a known crime, no problem.

How does putting Hillary in jail help America at this point? She is gone. Done. The Clinton-era is over.

Kangaroo justice for Trump? He isn't under investigation right now ... right?

CBOEtrader says

So NOW you are saying Trump shouldn't do his job because he might maybe one day be under investigation?

You think it was his job to go and fire someone who refused to drop the investigation into Russia tampering and collusion with his campaign? What reason has he given for the firing? Which of the three do you like?

Trump's campaign under investigation means he is implicated, his legitimacy, and Trump cannot touch anyone investigating Russia without the grave appearance of obstruction.

Rew says

How does putting Hillary in jail help America at this point? She is gone. Done. The Clinton-era is over.

First Hillary says she's running again. This is the worst possible news for democrats, considering she will steal the primary and lose again. Also, we just had evidence come out that Obama administration abused its power to surveil trump for political reasons. Also, the anthony weiner case has barely started yet. As per Comey's testimony, they havent read hillary's thousands of emails on his computer. Rather, they used software to determine intent (btw this type of language processing software is notoriously bad at determining things like intent). We dont yet know what they will find. Neither Hillary nor Obama are out of the woods yet.

Rew says

Trump's campaign under investigation means he is implicated, his legitimacy, and Trump cannot touch anyone investigating Russia without the grave appearance of obstruction.

Luckily Trump doesnt care about his press coverage.

CBOEtrader says

So did Trump, for the record.

A potential person of interest claims they have done no wrong. They have a history of lying. Yes, let's believe them.

CBOEtrader says

CBOEtrader says

joeyjojojunior says

Exactly. The fact is nobody has flatly stated that Trump is not under investigation.

Grassley did exactly that.

So did Trump, for the record.

The fact is nobody has shown evidence for your conspiracy theory, yet you refuse to acknowledge provable facts.

http://www.thegazette.com/subject/news/government/grassley-brushes-off-call-for-special-prosecutor-20170510

“Remember, there’s been charges but no proof,” Grassley added. “And we know that Trump was not being investigated.”

Jojo, its time to admit you were wrong.

CBOEtrader says

Luckily Trump doesnt care about his press coverage.

That's right. It's why he TiVos news shows, watches them each evening, has been hiding this week from all the blow back, and has been in such a rage lately he pushed all his sane council away and went off and fired Comey.

Tell me again how he doesn't care about ratings, polls, and media coverage?

Rew says

Tell me again how he doesn't care about ratings, polls, and media coverage?

Pointing out lies is not the same as allowing the winds of fake MSM publicity factor into your decisions. Trump makes his political decisions free of caring what his press coverage will be. He knows the luggenpresse will always fall into hysterics. He doesnt care. Neither do his supporters.

Just focus on the prize and MAGA.

I cant wait until the new FBI director announces an investigation into Hillary/Obama for hacking our election.

CBOEtrader says

“Remember, there’s been charges but no proof,” Grassley added. “And we know that Trump was not being investigated.”

"no proof" ... at this time.
"...Trump was not being investigated." ... yet.

Again, it doesn't matter. All that matters is as Comey said previously, they rule out no one and follow the evidence where it leads. That's it.

CBOEtrader says

Pointing out lies ...

Oh, that's what you think Trump was doing? Pointing out lies.

CBOEtrader says

I cant wait until the new FBI director announces an investigation into Hillary/Obama for hacking our election.

LOL

You know what I cannot wait for? I cannot wait if Trump himself does take over the press briefings. MAGA!

CBOEtrader says

Also, we just had evidence come out that Obama administration abused its power to surveil trump for political reasons.

CBOEtrader says

First Hillary says she's running again.

CBOEtrader says

Neither Hillary nor Obama are out of the woods yet.

Oh my. When reality snaps into place for you, let me know.

YesYNot says

Sessions to Congress:

I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I didn’t have — did not have communications with the Russians

Fact: he met with Kislyak twice, and doesn't deny it.

Sessions official meetings are public record. Those meetings had nothing to do w Trump. He was clearly talking about never discussing Trump's campaign w russia.

This is pure fake news hysteria and you know it.

Rew says

Again, it doesn't matter. All that matters is as Comey said previously, they rule out no one and follow the evidence where it leads. That's it.

Yup, so far none of it has led to trump. Fact.