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CBOEtrader says

Either you agree there is currently no evidence, or you can provide some evidence for us.

This is not how it works. We don't have access to the FBI's evidence. We only have access to what has been made public. See this thread among others for what is in the public domain. What we do know is that none of Comey's direct supervisors had any problem with his allocation of resources. Trump's AG has recused himself on the topic of the Trump campaign Russia investigation, the deputy AG was fired by Trump, and the head of the FBI was fired by Trump. That's evidence enough to merit an investigation.

CBOEtrader says

This is the sad part. we are wasting SO MUCH time/energy/resources chasing ghosts that noone cares about real problems.

That's on Trump and Sessions. Sessions lied under oath and recused himself. Trump fired the next two people in charge of the investigation, and lied about the reasons for the firing of the guy leading it. It's a joke. If Trump had just let Comey do the investigation, and if Trump himself started the week by talking about health care and tax cuts, then the whole country would be talking about health care and tax cuts.

I hear of no investigations that are concluded. No findings have been brought forward yet. They could say there is nothing, but the people under investigation sure don't get to jump in and say, "this is fake." That's suspicious as hell!

Russia may be Trump's Benghazi but it must run its course. Any attempt to influence any of the three investigations not only looks horrible, it is likely illegal.

Trump wants this gone, why? Because it's getting in the way of his productive and efficient governing? Bah. I'm laughing about as hard as when the White House was saying Comey had to go because he mishandled Hillary's email investigations.

Imagine if the Senate and House produced reports in the next two weeks saying: we find nothing. You think the American people are going to accept that and find it credible?

Again, there is one path only now, if Trump is truly innocent here. The thing that sinks him may not even be Russia... because one thing all investigations are going to need are full tax and financial disclosures.

It's simple: got nothing to hide, then comply and shut up. If you do have things to hide: better keep calling it fake, firing people investigating, and producing bizarre legal documents (by firms you hired) claiming you are innocent.

It doesn't appear Trump can handle an investigation. We are all very interested now.

CBOEtrader says

Trolling again Bob?

Lets try this again: Every single account from that investigation is that they've found nothing besides liberal surveillance of Trump and his associates.

Try following the conversation. Either you agree there is currently no evidence, or you can provide some evidence for us.

I didn't realize the investigations had all been concluded and the results released to the public. I actually was unaware that any investigation was concluded. When did that happen? Can you post the official report of the investigation for the rest of us to read?

I can only agree that there are ongoing investigations. They would be the ones to know if there is evidence or no evidence. I'm curious how you manage to know there is no evidence without being a member of the investigation.

YesYNot says

If Trump had just let Comey do the investigation, and if Trump himself started the week by talking about health care and tax cuts, then the whole country would be talking about health care and tax cuts.

Too true.

The Trump administration is a messaging nightmare. They are always in reaction mode usually reacting to messes of their own making. Trump's spokesmen were given one hour before needing to be in front of cameras spinning Comey's firing. In-accuracies guaranteed. They even rehydrated KellyAnne to have her spin bullshit and lies for a day. Incredible. Spicer ... from the bushes ... you can't make this stuff up.

We are watching the voter fraud investigation kick off (likely a voter suppression play) and Session's reversal of Obama era sentencing, as big stories of the week too.

I'm done with the premise that America is being "distracted" by any of the bungles. There is nothing premeditated or having a grand mastermind strategy here. This is just a completely incompetent administration. It's as simple as that.

Rew says

Imagine if the Senate and House produced reports in the next two weeks saying: we find nothing. You think the American people are going to accept that and find it credible?

Most normal people already accept that. Those of you on the left will never-so it does not matter. However I think this is Trump's master plan-drive the lefties into a lunatic fit and keep them in that deranged lunatic headspace.

See for most of us there are things we don't like about Trump so far, but then when the lefties go into their lunatic induced mad dance-we are like-Gasp we need Trump to protect us from the crazies. Dressing up as vaginas, foul, filthy cussing, pure hate formented demented freaks. Trump it is 2020-you lefties don't realize how your crazy is what is allowing him to win.

Yup-keep at it-Russia, Russia -keep it till 2024.

YesYNot says

Sessions lied under oath

No he didn't. But he did recuse himself to pacify the mob. I would not expect them to play nice again given how you vultures use sessions playing nice as a prima facie admission of guilt.Rew says

No findings have been brought forward yet

I'm glad we agree.YesYNot says

If Trump had just let Comey do the investigation,

What investigation? Why let comey stay when his behavior justifies dismissal?

You can't say maybe somewhere back there the FBI might maybe be investigating Trump. There is ZERO evidence of a Trump investigation and you fools want to use it as a cornerstone for the rest of your conspiracy theory.

Ex A:
bob2356 says

I didn't realize the investigations had all been concluded and the results released to the public.

Which investigation are you referring to? Be specific. Trump has never been under investigation as per testimony from every source who has discussed it thus far. They have zero evidence of collusion again as per testimony from every source discussing it so far. You have no evidence, you have no investigation...but you want to suggest its there in your conspiracy theory demand for an independent investigator.

Its total insanity... And all you tards come back w is rhetoric. Post links suggesting Trump is under investigation or that they have even a shred of evidence of collusion.

Hint: you can't.
YesYNot says

or you can provide some evidence for us.

This is not how it works.

Yes I know. You have zero evidence to support your conspiracy theory.

Rew says

Hillary lost for a whole hosts of reasons. I don't give a crap about her.

There are still Dumb Asses that think Clinton is President & controls this fuck up Republican govt.

CBOEtrader says

There was no evidence of trump/russia collusion then or now.

Must be true.
Everyone knows there aren't any unsolved crimes,there is no evidence.
When cops & prosecutors suddenly go to a crime scene & find possessions/money missing or a mutilated
body or other so called crime they have no evidence that someone is guilty.
Everyone knows Shit Just Happens .

CBOEtrader says

Trump has never been under investigation as per testimony from every source who has discussed it thus far

To which testimony do you refer? Could you link to it please?

I'm looking for anyone who says that Trump is not under investigation.

CBOEtrader says

Why let comey stay when his behavior justifies dismissal?

Trump couldn't tell us why he fired Comey, so it's clear that he either (1) didn't have a clear reason in his head or (2) didn't want to tell us what that reason was.

CBOEtrader says

No he didn't.

Sessions to Congress:

I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I didn’t have — did not have communications with the Russians

Fact: he met with Kislyak twice, and doesn't deny it.
He's either a liar or very forgetful about the subject matter that has been such a thorn in Trump's side.

CBOEtrader says

What investigation?

The Trump campaign/Russia investigation that Trump himself acknowledges is ongoing. The one that Trump refers to as a taxpayer funded charade in a tweet. The one that Trump said he wanted to get to the bottom of in a conversation with Lester Holt. The one that Comey just asked for more money for. You know... that one. You know that I know that you know that I know that you know what the fuck everybody but you acknowledges. So you think that there is no evidence at all. Fine. Conversation over.

Rew says

Hillary lost for a whole hosts of reasons. I don't give a crap about her.

None of the Democrats do anymore. It's just the Republicans that want to remain infatuated with her at this point. The ironic thing to me is that the other day Trump said that Hillary should have won the election. That in and of itself is hilarious to me, but it is lost in the sea of unbelievable happenings this week. Think about that. Trump just said that he was such a crappy candidate that Hillary should have won even though she was a crooked criminal.

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/05/11/2017/executive-business-meeting-1 Minutes 26-29 for starters.

Grassley, about Trump's statement that he wasnt under investigation in his Comey letter, in regards to the confidential briefing Grassley was given by Comey regarding the targets of existing investigations, Grassley says: "Senator Feinstein and I heard nothing that contradicted the President’s statement” then followed w "he [Comey] should tell the public what he told Senator Feinstein and me about whether the FBI is or is not investigating the President".

Case closed. You're welcome.

YesYNot says

It's just the Republicans that want to remain infatuated with her at this point.

Hillary is still relevant because of the hypocritical way in which your team demands kangaroo justice w Trump but lets Hillary walk away from a known crime, no problem.

She is also relevant because of the many ways in which she and the Obama admin tried to hack the election. Spying on political rivals should be a serious problem. We know Trump was spied on, yet we do not have any evidence to suggest this was anything besides a political ploy. This is the big story the liberals are trying to distract us from.

CBOEtrader says

Grassley, about Trump's statement that he wasnt under investigation in his Comey letter, in regards to the confidential briefing Grassley was given by Comey regarding the targets of existing investigations, Grassley says: "Senator Feinstein and I heard nothing that contradicted the President’s statement” then followed w "he [Comey] should tell the public what he told Senator Feinstein and me about whether the FBI is or is not investigating the President".

lol--now saying you haven't heard anything is conclusive? I thought it meant nothing before.

CBOEtrader says

Hillary is still relevant because of the hypocritical way in which your team demands kangaroo justice w Trump but lets Hillary walk away from a known crime, no problem.

Actually, she was investigated and the finding was no crime. Let's allow the same process with Trump.

joeyjojojunior says

Actually, she was investigated and the finding was no crime. Let's allow the same process with Trump.

Trump isnt under investigation. The senate judiciary committee https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/05/11/2017/executive-business-meeting-1 does make reference to individuals under investigation. They are clear Trump is not one of those individuals.

So I think you mean allow the same process for these unnamed (not-Trump) individuals. Yes, we agree.

joeyjojojunior says

lol--now saying you haven't heard anything is conclusive? I thought it meant nothing before.

You really dont even try do you?

Go listen to exactly what they say. Comey told Grassley the exact names of those under investigation. Trump was not one of those names. This is conclusive.

The answer is right under your nose and you wont even look at it. Just amazing.

CBOEtrader says

The senate judiciary committee https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/05/11/2017/executive-business-meeting-1 does make reference to individuals under investigation. They are clear Trump is not one of those individuals.

Here's what it says:

"Mr. Comey did brief Ranking Member Feinstein and me on who the targets of the various investigations are. It would not be appropriate for me to reveal those details before the professionals conducting the investigations are ready. So, I will not answer any questions about who are targets of the ongoing Russia investigations. But I will say this: Shortly after Director Comey briefed us, I tweeted that he should be transparent. I said he should tell the public what he told Senator Feinstein and me about whether the FBI is or is not investigating the President.

On Tuesday, the President’s letter said that Director Comey told him he was not under investigation. Senator Feinstein and I heard nothing that contradicted the President’s statement. Now Mr. Comey is no longer the FBI director. But the FBI should still follow my advice. It should confirm to the public whether it is or is not investigating the President. Because it has failed to make this clear, speculation has run rampant."

I agree that Grassley is clearly implying that Trump is not currently one of the people under investigation, but nowhere does he say so. Given all the lying and misdirection so far, it certainly isn't proof of anything.

CBOEtrader says

Comey told Grassley the exact names of those under investigation. Trump was not one of those names. This is conclusive.

Great--can you provide the quote where Grassley says specifically "Tump is not under investigation"?

I already did. You are clearly looking to spin a direct statement. You can't. Grassley was conclusive. He said after Comey debriefed him on the exact names of those under investigation, that Trump's statement regarding not being under investigation was accurate.

CBOEtrader says

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/05/11/2017/executive-business-meeting-1 Minutes 26-29 for starters.

Grassley, about Trump's statement that he wasnt under investigation in his Comey letter, in regards to the confidential briefing Grassley was given by Comey regarding the targets of existing investigations, Grassley says: "Senator Feinstein and I heard nothing that contradicted the President’s statement” then followed w "he [Comey] should tell the public what he told Senator Feinstein and me about whether the FBI is or is not investigating the President".

Case closed. You're welcome.

Actually listen to it this time. Facts matter. Go to the source and stop allowing your soft brain to be manipulated by the MSM.

lostand confused says

Most normal people already accept that. Those of you on the left will never-so it does not matter.

I don't know what you think most "normal" people are accepting.
- Comey's firing being a positive thing?
- The ongoing Russian investigations being conclusive and absolve the Trump campaign?

I see no polling data or studies suggesting that Americans feel the above. I can find some sources saying quite the opposite.

CBOEtrader says

Rew says

No findings have been brought forward yet

I'm glad we agree

CBOEtrader says

Trump has never been under investigation as per testimony from every source who has discussed it thus far.

CBOEtrader says

Case closed. You're welcome.

Because Trump himself is not under investigation now, doesn't mean he won't be, as the Russian investigations continue. He isn't home free here, and he is acting like there is something there. Additionally, if his campaign and close members are accused of wrongdoing, Trump himself is smeared and tainted by that, regardless of whether any charges are brought against him himself.

I don't care if this leads to Trump's impeachment. I don't care if it puts Trump under direct investigation.

I care that the investigation is actually done and done in a non-partisan, independent, way. All Americans should care about this, and care about it being done in that manner, so we may all accept the results and understand if our electoral process was circumvented or tampered with. It is fundamental to our Democracy. Not demanding it is pretty un-American altogether.

This isn't about Trump, it's about Russia.

CBOEtrader says

Actually listen to it this time. Facts matter

Exactly. The fact is nobody has flatly stated that Trump is not under investigation.

Rew says

Additionally, if his campaign and close members are accused of wrongdoing, Trump himself is smeared and tainted by that, regardless of whether any charges are brought against him himself.

Was Obama smeared by Hillary's investigation? So far noone in Trump's campaign has been accused of a crime, outside of fake news hysteria. Though, someone is under investigation so we shall see.

Rew says

is not under investigation now, doesn't mean he won't be, as the Russian investigations continue.

So NOW you are saying Trump shouldn't do his job because he might maybe one day be under investigation? Or that someone in his 1000 person administration might maybe be under investigation, and therefore he can't fire the FBI director despite cause? Again, this is pure conspiracy nonsense. Make up any fantasy you want.

joeyjojojunior says

Exactly. The fact is nobody has flatly stated that Trump is not under investigation.

Grassley did exactly that.

CBOEtrader says

joeyjojojunior says

Exactly. The fact is nobody has flatly stated that Trump is not under investigation.

Grassley did exactly that.

So did Trump, for the record.

The fact is nobody has shown evidence for your conspiracy theory, yet you refuse to acknowledge provable facts.

CBOEtrader says

Hillary is still relevant because of the hypocritical way in which your team demands kangaroo justice w Trump but lets Hillary walk away from a known crime, no problem.

How does putting Hillary in jail help America at this point? She is gone. Done. The Clinton-era is over.

Kangaroo justice for Trump? He isn't under investigation right now ... right?

CBOEtrader says

So NOW you are saying Trump shouldn't do his job because he might maybe one day be under investigation?

You think it was his job to go and fire someone who refused to drop the investigation into Russia tampering and collusion with his campaign? What reason has he given for the firing? Which of the three do you like?

Trump's campaign under investigation means he is implicated, his legitimacy, and Trump cannot touch anyone investigating Russia without the grave appearance of obstruction.

Rew says

How does putting Hillary in jail help America at this point? She is gone. Done. The Clinton-era is over.

First Hillary says she's running again. This is the worst possible news for democrats, considering she will steal the primary and lose again. Also, we just had evidence come out that Obama administration abused its power to surveil trump for political reasons. Also, the anthony weiner case has barely started yet. As per Comey's testimony, they havent read hillary's thousands of emails on his computer. Rather, they used software to determine intent (btw this type of language processing software is notoriously bad at determining things like intent). We dont yet know what they will find. Neither Hillary nor Obama are out of the woods yet.

Rew says

Trump's campaign under investigation means he is implicated, his legitimacy, and Trump cannot touch anyone investigating Russia without the grave appearance of obstruction.

Luckily Trump doesnt care about his press coverage.

CBOEtrader says

So did Trump, for the record.

A potential person of interest claims they have done no wrong. They have a history of lying. Yes, let's believe them.

CBOEtrader says

CBOEtrader says

joeyjojojunior says

Exactly. The fact is nobody has flatly stated that Trump is not under investigation.

Grassley did exactly that.

So did Trump, for the record.

The fact is nobody has shown evidence for your conspiracy theory, yet you refuse to acknowledge provable facts.

http://www.thegazette.com/subject/news/government/grassley-brushes-off-call-for-special-prosecutor-20170510

“Remember, there’s been charges but no proof,” Grassley added. “And we know that Trump was not being investigated.”

Jojo, its time to admit you were wrong.

CBOEtrader says

Luckily Trump doesnt care about his press coverage.

That's right. It's why he TiVos news shows, watches them each evening, has been hiding this week from all the blow back, and has been in such a rage lately he pushed all his sane council away and went off and fired Comey.

Tell me again how he doesn't care about ratings, polls, and media coverage?

Rew says

Tell me again how he doesn't care about ratings, polls, and media coverage?

Pointing out lies is not the same as allowing the winds of fake MSM publicity factor into your decisions. Trump makes his political decisions free of caring what his press coverage will be. He knows the luggenpresse will always fall into hysterics. He doesnt care. Neither do his supporters.

Just focus on the prize and MAGA.

I cant wait until the new FBI director announces an investigation into Hillary/Obama for hacking our election.

CBOEtrader says

“Remember, there’s been charges but no proof,” Grassley added. “And we know that Trump was not being investigated.”

"no proof" ... at this time.
"...Trump was not being investigated." ... yet.

Again, it doesn't matter. All that matters is as Comey said previously, they rule out no one and follow the evidence where it leads. That's it.

CBOEtrader says

Pointing out lies ...

Oh, that's what you think Trump was doing? Pointing out lies.

CBOEtrader says

I cant wait until the new FBI director announces an investigation into Hillary/Obama for hacking our election.

LOL

You know what I cannot wait for? I cannot wait if Trump himself does take over the press briefings. MAGA!

CBOEtrader says

Also, we just had evidence come out that Obama administration abused its power to surveil trump for political reasons.

CBOEtrader says

First Hillary says she's running again.

CBOEtrader says

Neither Hillary nor Obama are out of the woods yet.

Oh my. When reality snaps into place for you, let me know.

YesYNot says

Sessions to Congress:

I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I didn’t have — did not have communications with the Russians

Fact: he met with Kislyak twice, and doesn't deny it.

Sessions official meetings are public record. Those meetings had nothing to do w Trump. He was clearly talking about never discussing Trump's campaign w russia.

This is pure fake news hysteria and you know it.

Rew says

Again, it doesn't matter. All that matters is as Comey said previously, they rule out no one and follow the evidence where it leads. That's it.

Yup, so far none of it has led to trump. Fact.