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Hillary, Obama, Bill, whomever else you want to point the finger at ... garbage. This is about Trump and his administration, here and now. If you believe in the past there was not a correct and impartial process to bring justice to officials serving in the government, then you should be for making that better now, right? Good.

This isn't a partisan issue. This is about the American form of democracy itself. That's what is at stake here. Trump can work to exonerate himself at anytime. Weird legal drafted letters produced by his own lawyers saying "He has no ties with Russia" prove nothing. The path is independent investigation: only.

Trump better pray for an external crisis soon ... or make one.

Rew says

Trump can work to exonerate himself at anytime

So if the leftie loons start saying Trump colluded with the martians, he should have a special prosecutor to investigate the martians. There is not one shred of evidence with all these leaks. heck even the dems are admitting that there is no collusion-even clapper.

The left is cuckoo.You exonerate yourself if you are guilty-you do not exonerate yourself if Rosie O'Donnell is screaming nyet on the streets-that is not proof. That is just crazy people screaming. Dems are crazy-of course what do you expect when driven by pure emotion .

You guys are starting to make bgamall4 sane. Look the angle of the arm , fake tears-need a special prosecutor-Sandy Hook is fake, 9/11 is fake.

Rew says

I want to know how deep any supposed Russian ties go. If there is nothing, fine.

I want to know how deep the Martian ties to Nancy Pelosi go. Dude, they have been investigating Russia since July. Every single account from that investigation is that they've found nothing besides liberal surveillance of Trump and his associates.

Its time to drop this kangaroo court nonsense, and investigate the political motivations for the surveillance. You dont care about actual evidence, you think maybe russia might have possibly worked w trump despite zero evidence... and now you demand an independent investigator go find that evidence which noone else has yet found.

Its absolute insanity.

I'm sure that you think Clinton would subject the country to this circus to defend her fragile ego. Why would so many other people be in on it? If it is just her, how does she have so much power to control the narrative?
Does it all come back to the 'swamp doesn't want trump to take it down' narrative? That should be dismissed at this point considering Trump's nonexistent attacks on the swamp.

YesYNot says

her fragile ego.

Well, hillary's ego is the facilitator of all the other evil around her...but this isnt about ego and you know it. Its about the $1.5 billion she wasted, and the massive illegal activity around her including but not limited to her campaign hacking the election.

CBOEtrader says

Every single account from that investigation is that they've found nothing besides liberal surveillance of Trump and his associates.

You didn't read your own wikileaks blurb you posted did you? There is nothing in there about trump collusion, just the hillary team, blaming for the russians for hillary losing. How did you manage to add 2 + 2 and come up with -7? Paranoid about something? Is it the angle of the arm?

OMG the investigations have been going on since July? All that time? You mean huge complex multi national investigations can last more than a week? Shocking I tell you, simply shocking.

I'm with REW. I don't give a crap about hillary, I want to know what is going on. If there is nothing there then why all the concern about checking it out?

You still don't get it after all the trigger traps he's laid for the msm.
Priority 1 scj
Priority 2 tt msm

bob2356 says

I'm with REW. I don't give a crap about hillary, I want to know what is going on. If there is nothing there then why all the concern about checking it out?

Keep the msm chasing nonexistent rabbits while Bannon and Co. shred liberal laws...

Oh look here comes the war on drugs again. Too bad msm is too busy with Russia to devote anything more than a passing shriek or two...

BlueSardine says

Keep the mom chasing nonexistent rabbits while Bannon and Co. shred liberal laws

You are living in some sort of fantasy world. There was a supreme court opening. The next president was going to fill that spot. This was a forgone conclusion, and no subterfuge was required. The clown show that we are seeing this week and will be seeing more of next week is not part of a misdirect strategy, unless you think that they are keeping people from commenting on the Sessions order to prosecute drug offenders to the maximum extent.

bob2356 says

CBOEtrader says

Every single account from that investigation is that they've found nothing besides liberal surveillance of Trump and his associates.

You didn't read your own wikileaks blurb you posted did you? There is nothing in there about trump collusion, just the hillary team, blaming for the russians for hillary losing. How did you manage to add 2 + 2 and come up with -7? Paranoid about something? Is it the angle of the arm?

OMG the investigations have been going on since July? All that time? You mean huge complex multi national investigations can last more than a week? Shocking I tell you, simply shocking.

I'm with REW. I don't give a crap about hillary, I want to know what is going on. If there is nothing there then why all the concern about checking it out?

Trolling again Bob?

Lets try this again: Every single account from that investigation is that they've found nothing besides liberal surveillance of Trump and his associates.

Try following the conversation. Either you agree there is currently no evidence, or you can provide some evidence for us.

BlueSardine says

Oh look here comes the war on drugs again. Too bad msm is too busy with Russia to devote anything more than a passing shriek or two...

This is the sad part. we are wasting SO MUCH time/energy/resources chasing ghosts that noone cares about real problems.

Misdirection is a major tool of any administration.
How many times have presidents announced unpopular policy on Friday late afternoon to get buried in the news Cycle?
Trump has just taken misdirection to another level offering up himself as a target. Unlike career politicians he can afford to do this as he's already rich and probably doesn't even want the job...

CBOEtrader says

$1.5 billion she wasted

She lost the election. Big deal. This happens to someone every 4 years. Donors (investors) lost. They knew that was a possibility going in. That's why many invest in both teams.

CBOEtrader says

massive illegal activity around her including but not limited to her campaign hacking the election

Nice try. You think that Clinton hacked the election machines or something and this Russia story is a coverup? Clinton hacking the election machines was a conspiracy theory that Trump was cooking up prior to the election as an excuse for his loss. He actually has a fragile ego and a business interest in not tarnishing the Trump brand by a popularity contest loss. That's why he's repeatedly lied about the election results and set up a commission to recount the popular vote. In case it's not obvious, Trump still talks about the election results all of the time. He claims that it is nearly impossible for a Republican to win the electoral college despite Republicans winning 6 out of 10 elections since 1980. Nobody bothers asking a follow up to that, because there are so many other fucked up things coming out of his mouth that matter more. He said that it was the biggest electoral college win since Reagan - no it wasn't. He claims that he won the popular vote if you don't count illegal votes (no proof of this). He should be terribly embarrassed by all of this, but he isn't, because he has no shame and doesn't realize how incredibly fragile this makes his ego look.

CBOEtrader says

Either you agree there is currently no evidence, or you can provide some evidence for us.

This is not how it works. We don't have access to the FBI's evidence. We only have access to what has been made public. See this thread among others for what is in the public domain. What we do know is that none of Comey's direct supervisors had any problem with his allocation of resources. Trump's AG has recused himself on the topic of the Trump campaign Russia investigation, the deputy AG was fired by Trump, and the head of the FBI was fired by Trump. That's evidence enough to merit an investigation.

CBOEtrader says

This is the sad part. we are wasting SO MUCH time/energy/resources chasing ghosts that noone cares about real problems.

That's on Trump and Sessions. Sessions lied under oath and recused himself. Trump fired the next two people in charge of the investigation, and lied about the reasons for the firing of the guy leading it. It's a joke. If Trump had just let Comey do the investigation, and if Trump himself started the week by talking about health care and tax cuts, then the whole country would be talking about health care and tax cuts.

I hear of no investigations that are concluded. No findings have been brought forward yet. They could say there is nothing, but the people under investigation sure don't get to jump in and say, "this is fake." That's suspicious as hell!

Russia may be Trump's Benghazi but it must run its course. Any attempt to influence any of the three investigations not only looks horrible, it is likely illegal.

Trump wants this gone, why? Because it's getting in the way of his productive and efficient governing? Bah. I'm laughing about as hard as when the White House was saying Comey had to go because he mishandled Hillary's email investigations.

Imagine if the Senate and House produced reports in the next two weeks saying: we find nothing. You think the American people are going to accept that and find it credible?

Again, there is one path only now, if Trump is truly innocent here. The thing that sinks him may not even be Russia... because one thing all investigations are going to need are full tax and financial disclosures.

It's simple: got nothing to hide, then comply and shut up. If you do have things to hide: better keep calling it fake, firing people investigating, and producing bizarre legal documents (by firms you hired) claiming you are innocent.

It doesn't appear Trump can handle an investigation. We are all very interested now.

CBOEtrader says

Trolling again Bob?

Lets try this again: Every single account from that investigation is that they've found nothing besides liberal surveillance of Trump and his associates.

Try following the conversation. Either you agree there is currently no evidence, or you can provide some evidence for us.

I didn't realize the investigations had all been concluded and the results released to the public. I actually was unaware that any investigation was concluded. When did that happen? Can you post the official report of the investigation for the rest of us to read?

I can only agree that there are ongoing investigations. They would be the ones to know if there is evidence or no evidence. I'm curious how you manage to know there is no evidence without being a member of the investigation.

YesYNot says

If Trump had just let Comey do the investigation, and if Trump himself started the week by talking about health care and tax cuts, then the whole country would be talking about health care and tax cuts.

Too true.

The Trump administration is a messaging nightmare. They are always in reaction mode usually reacting to messes of their own making. Trump's spokesmen were given one hour before needing to be in front of cameras spinning Comey's firing. In-accuracies guaranteed. They even rehydrated KellyAnne to have her spin bullshit and lies for a day. Incredible. Spicer ... from the bushes ... you can't make this stuff up.

We are watching the voter fraud investigation kick off (likely a voter suppression play) and Session's reversal of Obama era sentencing, as big stories of the week too.

I'm done with the premise that America is being "distracted" by any of the bungles. There is nothing premeditated or having a grand mastermind strategy here. This is just a completely incompetent administration. It's as simple as that.

Rew says

Imagine if the Senate and House produced reports in the next two weeks saying: we find nothing. You think the American people are going to accept that and find it credible?

Most normal people already accept that. Those of you on the left will never-so it does not matter. However I think this is Trump's master plan-drive the lefties into a lunatic fit and keep them in that deranged lunatic headspace.

See for most of us there are things we don't like about Trump so far, but then when the lefties go into their lunatic induced mad dance-we are like-Gasp we need Trump to protect us from the crazies. Dressing up as vaginas, foul, filthy cussing, pure hate formented demented freaks. Trump it is 2020-you lefties don't realize how your crazy is what is allowing him to win.

Yup-keep at it-Russia, Russia -keep it till 2024.

YesYNot says

Sessions lied under oath

No he didn't. But he did recuse himself to pacify the mob. I would not expect them to play nice again given how you vultures use sessions playing nice as a prima facie admission of guilt.Rew says

No findings have been brought forward yet

I'm glad we agree.YesYNot says

If Trump had just let Comey do the investigation,

What investigation? Why let comey stay when his behavior justifies dismissal?

You can't say maybe somewhere back there the FBI might maybe be investigating Trump. There is ZERO evidence of a Trump investigation and you fools want to use it as a cornerstone for the rest of your conspiracy theory.

Ex A:
bob2356 says

I didn't realize the investigations had all been concluded and the results released to the public.

Which investigation are you referring to? Be specific. Trump has never been under investigation as per testimony from every source who has discussed it thus far. They have zero evidence of collusion again as per testimony from every source discussing it so far. You have no evidence, you have no investigation...but you want to suggest its there in your conspiracy theory demand for an independent investigator.

Its total insanity... And all you tards come back w is rhetoric. Post links suggesting Trump is under investigation or that they have even a shred of evidence of collusion.

Hint: you can't.
YesYNot says

or you can provide some evidence for us.

This is not how it works.

Yes I know. You have zero evidence to support your conspiracy theory.

Rew says

Hillary lost for a whole hosts of reasons. I don't give a crap about her.

There are still Dumb Asses that think Clinton is President & controls this fuck up Republican govt.

CBOEtrader says

There was no evidence of trump/russia collusion then or now.

Must be true.
Everyone knows there aren't any unsolved crimes,there is no evidence.
When cops & prosecutors suddenly go to a crime scene & find possessions/money missing or a mutilated
body or other so called crime they have no evidence that someone is guilty.
Everyone knows Shit Just Happens .

CBOEtrader says

Trump has never been under investigation as per testimony from every source who has discussed it thus far

To which testimony do you refer? Could you link to it please?

I'm looking for anyone who says that Trump is not under investigation.

CBOEtrader says

Why let comey stay when his behavior justifies dismissal?

Trump couldn't tell us why he fired Comey, so it's clear that he either (1) didn't have a clear reason in his head or (2) didn't want to tell us what that reason was.

CBOEtrader says

No he didn't.

Sessions to Congress:

I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I didn’t have — did not have communications with the Russians

Fact: he met with Kislyak twice, and doesn't deny it.
He's either a liar or very forgetful about the subject matter that has been such a thorn in Trump's side.

CBOEtrader says

What investigation?

The Trump campaign/Russia investigation that Trump himself acknowledges is ongoing. The one that Trump refers to as a taxpayer funded charade in a tweet. The one that Trump said he wanted to get to the bottom of in a conversation with Lester Holt. The one that Comey just asked for more money for. You know... that one. You know that I know that you know that I know that you know what the fuck everybody but you acknowledges. So you think that there is no evidence at all. Fine. Conversation over.

Rew says

Hillary lost for a whole hosts of reasons. I don't give a crap about her.

None of the Democrats do anymore. It's just the Republicans that want to remain infatuated with her at this point. The ironic thing to me is that the other day Trump said that Hillary should have won the election. That in and of itself is hilarious to me, but it is lost in the sea of unbelievable happenings this week. Think about that. Trump just said that he was such a crappy candidate that Hillary should have won even though she was a crooked criminal.

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/05/11/2017/executive-business-meeting-1 Minutes 26-29 for starters.

Grassley, about Trump's statement that he wasnt under investigation in his Comey letter, in regards to the confidential briefing Grassley was given by Comey regarding the targets of existing investigations, Grassley says: "Senator Feinstein and I heard nothing that contradicted the President’s statement” then followed w "he [Comey] should tell the public what he told Senator Feinstein and me about whether the FBI is or is not investigating the President".

Case closed. You're welcome.

YesYNot says

It's just the Republicans that want to remain infatuated with her at this point.

Hillary is still relevant because of the hypocritical way in which your team demands kangaroo justice w Trump but lets Hillary walk away from a known crime, no problem.

She is also relevant because of the many ways in which she and the Obama admin tried to hack the election. Spying on political rivals should be a serious problem. We know Trump was spied on, yet we do not have any evidence to suggest this was anything besides a political ploy. This is the big story the liberals are trying to distract us from.

CBOEtrader says

Grassley, about Trump's statement that he wasnt under investigation in his Comey letter, in regards to the confidential briefing Grassley was given by Comey regarding the targets of existing investigations, Grassley says: "Senator Feinstein and I heard nothing that contradicted the President’s statement” then followed w "he [Comey] should tell the public what he told Senator Feinstein and me about whether the FBI is or is not investigating the President".

lol--now saying you haven't heard anything is conclusive? I thought it meant nothing before.

CBOEtrader says

Hillary is still relevant because of the hypocritical way in which your team demands kangaroo justice w Trump but lets Hillary walk away from a known crime, no problem.

Actually, she was investigated and the finding was no crime. Let's allow the same process with Trump.

joeyjojojunior says

Actually, she was investigated and the finding was no crime. Let's allow the same process with Trump.

Trump isnt under investigation. The senate judiciary committee https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/05/11/2017/executive-business-meeting-1 does make reference to individuals under investigation. They are clear Trump is not one of those individuals.

So I think you mean allow the same process for these unnamed (not-Trump) individuals. Yes, we agree.

joeyjojojunior says

lol--now saying you haven't heard anything is conclusive? I thought it meant nothing before.

You really dont even try do you?

Go listen to exactly what they say. Comey told Grassley the exact names of those under investigation. Trump was not one of those names. This is conclusive.

The answer is right under your nose and you wont even look at it. Just amazing.

CBOEtrader says

The senate judiciary committee https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/05/11/2017/executive-business-meeting-1 does make reference to individuals under investigation. They are clear Trump is not one of those individuals.

Here's what it says:

"Mr. Comey did brief Ranking Member Feinstein and me on who the targets of the various investigations are. It would not be appropriate for me to reveal those details before the professionals conducting the investigations are ready. So, I will not answer any questions about who are targets of the ongoing Russia investigations. But I will say this: Shortly after Director Comey briefed us, I tweeted that he should be transparent. I said he should tell the public what he told Senator Feinstein and me about whether the FBI is or is not investigating the President.

On Tuesday, the President’s letter said that Director Comey told him he was not under investigation. Senator Feinstein and I heard nothing that contradicted the President’s statement. Now Mr. Comey is no longer the FBI director. But the FBI should still follow my advice. It should confirm to the public whether it is or is not investigating the President. Because it has failed to make this clear, speculation has run rampant."

I agree that Grassley is clearly implying that Trump is not currently one of the people under investigation, but nowhere does he say so. Given all the lying and misdirection so far, it certainly isn't proof of anything.

CBOEtrader says

Comey told Grassley the exact names of those under investigation. Trump was not one of those names. This is conclusive.

Great--can you provide the quote where Grassley says specifically "Tump is not under investigation"?

I already did. You are clearly looking to spin a direct statement. You can't. Grassley was conclusive. He said after Comey debriefed him on the exact names of those under investigation, that Trump's statement regarding not being under investigation was accurate.

CBOEtrader says

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/meetings/05/11/2017/executive-business-meeting-1 Minutes 26-29 for starters.

Grassley, about Trump's statement that he wasnt under investigation in his Comey letter, in regards to the confidential briefing Grassley was given by Comey regarding the targets of existing investigations, Grassley says: "Senator Feinstein and I heard nothing that contradicted the President’s statement” then followed w "he [Comey] should tell the public what he told Senator Feinstein and me about whether the FBI is or is not investigating the President".

Case closed. You're welcome.

Actually listen to it this time. Facts matter. Go to the source and stop allowing your soft brain to be manipulated by the MSM.

lostand confused says

Most normal people already accept that. Those of you on the left will never-so it does not matter.

I don't know what you think most "normal" people are accepting.
- Comey's firing being a positive thing?
- The ongoing Russian investigations being conclusive and absolve the Trump campaign?

I see no polling data or studies suggesting that Americans feel the above. I can find some sources saying quite the opposite.

CBOEtrader says

Rew says

No findings have been brought forward yet

I'm glad we agree

CBOEtrader says

Trump has never been under investigation as per testimony from every source who has discussed it thus far.

CBOEtrader says

Case closed. You're welcome.

Because Trump himself is not under investigation now, doesn't mean he won't be, as the Russian investigations continue. He isn't home free here, and he is acting like there is something there. Additionally, if his campaign and close members are accused of wrongdoing, Trump himself is smeared and tainted by that, regardless of whether any charges are brought against him himself.

I don't care if this leads to Trump's impeachment. I don't care if it puts Trump under direct investigation.

I care that the investigation is actually done and done in a non-partisan, independent, way. All Americans should care about this, and care about it being done in that manner, so we may all accept the results and understand if our electoral process was circumvented or tampered with. It is fundamental to our Democracy. Not demanding it is pretty un-American altogether.

This isn't about Trump, it's about Russia.

CBOEtrader says

Actually listen to it this time. Facts matter

Exactly. The fact is nobody has flatly stated that Trump is not under investigation.

Rew says

Additionally, if his campaign and close members are accused of wrongdoing, Trump himself is smeared and tainted by that, regardless of whether any charges are brought against him himself.

Was Obama smeared by Hillary's investigation? So far noone in Trump's campaign has been accused of a crime, outside of fake news hysteria. Though, someone is under investigation so we shall see.

Rew says

is not under investigation now, doesn't mean he won't be, as the Russian investigations continue.

So NOW you are saying Trump shouldn't do his job because he might maybe one day be under investigation? Or that someone in his 1000 person administration might maybe be under investigation, and therefore he can't fire the FBI director despite cause? Again, this is pure conspiracy nonsense. Make up any fantasy you want.

joeyjojojunior says

Exactly. The fact is nobody has flatly stated that Trump is not under investigation.

Grassley did exactly that.

CBOEtrader says

joeyjojojunior says

Exactly. The fact is nobody has flatly stated that Trump is not under investigation.

Grassley did exactly that.

So did Trump, for the record.

The fact is nobody has shown evidence for your conspiracy theory, yet you refuse to acknowledge provable facts.