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joeyjojojunior
2017 Oct 27, 1:31pm
Sniper says
I don't watch Rachel Maddow--why don' you link to what you refer?
Really, what has your hero, that guy, Rachel Maddow been spewing lately. Is he still going on night after night about Russian collusion?
I don't watch Rachel Maddow--why don' you link to what you refer?
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MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Oct 27, 5:46pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Oct 27, 5:46pm
joeyjojojunior says
There's also Podesta's apparent voting of shares in a Company heavily involved in Russian Investment that he supposedly recused himself from, that was supposed to be under control of his daughter in an LLC. This was in his P@ssword protected Email.
And his restatement of the Ukrainian Activist's payments to the Podesta Group, the same exact organization that is accused of 'being Russian' and paying Manafort. Apparently the Friends of Ukraine or whatever it was called was only Russian controlled when it paid Manafort, not when it paid Podesta Group. In fact I think Manafort was subcontracted by Podesta Group to peddle influence for the Ukranian client.
Just curious--who says collusion with Russia isn't such a big deal? I haven't seen anyone say that.socal2 says
Democrats - when they are pressed on the Obama/Clinton Uranium dealings, Podesta's contracts representing Russian interests, and Hillary Clinton and DNC "colluding" with Russian operatives with the Fusion GPS dossier.
There's also Podesta's apparent voting of shares in a Company heavily involved in Russian Investment that he supposedly recused himself from, that was supposed to be under control of his daughter in an LLC. This was in his P@ssword protected Email.
And his restatement of the Ukrainian Activist's payments to the Podesta Group, the same exact organization that is accused of 'being Russian' and paying Manafort. Apparently the Friends of Ukraine or whatever it was called was only Russian controlled when it paid Manafort, not when it paid Podesta Group. In fact I think Manafort was subcontracted by Podesta Group to peddle influence for the Ukranian client.
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Patrick
2017 Oct 27, 5:52pm
Patrick
2017 Oct 27, 5:52pm
I agree with @Quigley
The left had some good points, but has simply gone too far. They need to start accommodating instead of just demonizing.
But now it's a religion with them. Very disappointing. Democrats offer nothing but hate now.
Chill, think, drop the identity politics shit. Get back to simply being on the side of all working people without dividing them. Otherwise you lose, and the Republicans will continue to win bigly.
Every npr story about women, gays, blacks, or Hispanics is 10,000 more guaranteed votes for Trump. Just get back to owners vs workers and you'll do fine.
The left had some good points, but has simply gone too far. They need to start accommodating instead of just demonizing.
But now it's a religion with them. Very disappointing. Democrats offer nothing but hate now.
Chill, think, drop the identity politics shit. Get back to simply being on the side of all working people without dividing them. Otherwise you lose, and the Republicans will continue to win bigly.
Every npr story about women, gays, blacks, or Hispanics is 10,000 more guaranteed votes for Trump. Just get back to owners vs workers and you'll do fine.
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anonymous
2017 Oct 27, 6:35pm
rando says
Too late. Owners won everything. It's over. It was handed to them by people who were indignant about social justice warriors.
The estate tax and possibly even the gift tax will now be repealed. All other taxes will be drastically reduced or eliminated and as Republicans have made clear, that includes the AMT. Rich families will resemble those of 150 years ago and their wealth will accumulate and snowball through a succession of economic disasters.
There's a book about how the rich love depressions and other black swan events because it allows them to convert their fiat currency into hard capital assets like real estate. We saw a mini version of this in 2009 and we'll see even more drastic disasters in the future. Then America will face two possible roads. Either the rich will become so powerful that they will essentially run all elections from this point forward or the backlash against the Republicans will put the SJWs in command. Either way is the worst case scenario as future technological advances make most human labor obsolete.
People don't understand the damage they have done by installing a Republican government but they soon will.
Just get back to owners vs workers and you'll do fine.
Too late. Owners won everything. It's over. It was handed to them by people who were indignant about social justice warriors.
The estate tax and possibly even the gift tax will now be repealed. All other taxes will be drastically reduced or eliminated and as Republicans have made clear, that includes the AMT. Rich families will resemble those of 150 years ago and their wealth will accumulate and snowball through a succession of economic disasters.
There's a book about how the rich love depressions and other black swan events because it allows them to convert their fiat currency into hard capital assets like real estate. We saw a mini version of this in 2009 and we'll see even more drastic disasters in the future. Then America will face two possible roads. Either the rich will become so powerful that they will essentially run all elections from this point forward or the backlash against the Republicans will put the SJWs in command. Either way is the worst case scenario as future technological advances make most human labor obsolete.
People don't understand the damage they have done by installing a Republican government but they soon will.
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Patrick
2017 Oct 27, 6:36pm
Patrick
2017 Oct 27, 6:36pm
anonymous says
Fixed that for you.
You're welcome.
People don't understand the damage they have done byinstalling a Republican governmentrelentless identity politics but they soon will.
Fixed that for you.
You're welcome.
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joeyjojojunior
2017 Oct 27, 7:03pm
TwoScoopsMcGee says
That's a long post but no answer.
Who is saying that collusion is no big deal??
There's also Podesta's apparent voting of shares in a Company heavily involved in Russian Investment that he supposedly recused himself from, that was supposed to be under control of his daughter in an LLC. This was in his P@ssword protected Email.
And his restatement of the Ukrainian Activist's payments to the Podesta Group, the same exact organization that is accused of 'being Russian' and paying Manafort. Apparently the Friends of Ukraine or whatever it was called was only Russian controlled when it paid Manafort, not when it paid Podesta Group. In fact I think Manafort was subcontracted by Podesta Group to peddle influence for the Ukranian client.
That's a long post but no answer.
Who is saying that collusion is no big deal??
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joeyjojojunior
2017 Oct 27, 7:09pm
rando says
It's really disappointing that you fall for the Trump nonsense. Did you follow the recent vote in Congress? Have you see the tax plan?
I can't believe you care more about sticking it to SJWs than you do voting for people that care about the 99%. Everything Trump has and will do is to benefit ONLY the 1%. And Wall St. And Big Business. His entire platform is a big f&% you to the general public.
Do I agree with SJWs? No, of course not. But it is 1,000,000 times less important to me than fixing wealth disparity, taxes, regulation, the militarization of police, government surveillance, and probably a hundred other issues. I think you used to feel the same way until you fell under the Trump cult.
I agree with @Quigley
The left had some good points, but has simply gone too far. They need to start accommodating instead of just demonizing.
But now it's a religion with them. Very disappointing. Democrats offer nothing but hate now.
Chill, think, drop the identity politics shit. Get back to simply being on the side of all working people without dividing them. Otherwise you lose, and the Republicans will continue to win bigly.
Every npr story about women, gays, blacks, or Hispanics is 10,000 more guaranteed votes for Trump. Just get back to owners vs workers and you'll do fine.
It's really disappointing that you fall for the Trump nonsense. Did you follow the recent vote in Congress? Have you see the tax plan?
I can't believe you care more about sticking it to SJWs than you do voting for people that care about the 99%. Everything Trump has and will do is to benefit ONLY the 1%. And Wall St. And Big Business. His entire platform is a big f&% you to the general public.
Do I agree with SJWs? No, of course not. But it is 1,000,000 times less important to me than fixing wealth disparity, taxes, regulation, the militarization of police, government surveillance, and probably a hundred other issues. I think you used to feel the same way until you fell under the Trump cult.
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anonymous
2017 Oct 27, 7:10pm
The most amazing thing about this administration is how much power Trump and the Republicans are going to give the banks and Wall Street. That's incredible considering this site was about bank abuses and Wall Street fraud.
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anonymous
2017 Oct 27, 8:03pm
Patrick says
Identity politics is bad but it's not going to hand the country over to the ultra-rich and the banks. There are plenty of examples around the world of nations that have gone much further over the edge with identity politics than the USA and life there is pretty close to any other developed nations. Also there are plenty of ways to push back and we are seeing some traction even without government interference. It's a social ill, not a political one.
But exactly how are workers supposed to get the country back when the rich don't pay taxes anymore, corporations aren't regulated anymore, and a 50 billion dollar estate will pass tax free to the next generation that will turn it into a 100 billion dollar estate and then a 200 billion dollar estate and then a 500 billion dollar estate ad nausium? It's not like this hasn't happened numerous times in history before right? You want to match a social cancer against a poverty-driven civil war?
Fixed that for you.
You're welcome.
Identity politics is bad but it's not going to hand the country over to the ultra-rich and the banks. There are plenty of examples around the world of nations that have gone much further over the edge with identity politics than the USA and life there is pretty close to any other developed nations. Also there are plenty of ways to push back and we are seeing some traction even without government interference. It's a social ill, not a political one.
But exactly how are workers supposed to get the country back when the rich don't pay taxes anymore, corporations aren't regulated anymore, and a 50 billion dollar estate will pass tax free to the next generation that will turn it into a 100 billion dollar estate and then a 200 billion dollar estate and then a 500 billion dollar estate ad nausium? It's not like this hasn't happened numerous times in history before right? You want to match a social cancer against a poverty-driven civil war?
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Patrick
2017 Oct 27, 8:05pm
Patrick
2017 Oct 27, 8:05pm
anonymous says
By being united as American citizens and not divided by some arbitrary division.
There are a lot more working class voters than top 1% voters, lol.
But exactly how are workers supposed to get the country back
By being united as American citizens and not divided by some arbitrary division.
There are a lot more working class voters than top 1% voters, lol.
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CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 28, 1:27am
CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 28, 1:27am
joeyjojojunior says
Yet the dems have proven themselves to make each and every one of these problems worse. In fact, the establishment's embrace of policies that created each of your listed problems is exactly why trump won.
fixing wealth disparity, taxes, regulation, the militarization of police, government surveillance,
Yet the dems have proven themselves to make each and every one of these problems worse. In fact, the establishment's embrace of policies that created each of your listed problems is exactly why trump won.
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bob2356
2017 Oct 28, 6:23am
rando says
There is a LOT more money in the top 1% than working class, most of it with the .1 or even .01%. The Republicans (only Republicans that toe the libertarian line though) will continue to win bigly no matter what. The ultra rich libertarians have spent the last 50 years gradually buying the political process one step at a time. The endless whining and crying about identity politics and the liberal MSM is bulshit. It's part of a very long expensive campaign to develop a cult that believes anything other than the libertarian message as evil. It works. Look at the posters here. It's just reflexive at this point. Libertarian good, not libertarian bad. No logic or thinking required.
Look at west virginia. Why would the citizens of a state that has something like 22% of the economy in health care vote in someone who's biggest priority was to repeal obomacare? Once the repeal was being voted on and the reality set in that actually repealing obamacare would devastate the state's economy it was suddenly holy shit wait a minute let's not be so hasty about this repeal thing all over the state. But they all got sucked up into voting for the message that the libertarians spent god only knows how much cultivating without a bit of thought to what it actually meant or the consequences. That's the beauty of the libertarian message. Its always someone elses wasteful government spending that is going to be cut. Really brilliant mantra actually.
Look at our resident trumptard libertarian zombies. Regulations bad. Must get rid of regulations. The trumptards breath clean air, drink clean water, eat steak without cow shit in it, don't work 15 hours a day alongside their young children in a firetrap factory with the doors chained shut, don't die of black lung at 40, don't work all day knee deep in toxic chemicals with no protection then have their employer falsify the records (the koch bros almost went to jail for that one until intervention of their senator got the case dropped), have to move because the entire town was so polluted it's not habitable (koch bro's again) , Yep, you guys are perfectly willing to enjoy the benefits of regulations every single day. Ever actually stop to think about what regulations the libertarians actually want gone while you are crying that regulations are bad? Nope, not a clue. Just regulations bad. Hint, it won't be things like how wide the isle in the grocery store must be. It will be things that cost money, like processing toxic waste or worker safety. Again, brilliant message that can't be countered without actually thinking. Simple mindless mantras are the basis of all good cults.
Now the supreme court has allowed unlimited money to be spent by any entity the only thing that matters is how much money can be put down in the election process and used to generate the message. Democrats and moderate republicans will continue to lose and it has nothing at all to do with identity politics or anything else other than buying the election process. Brainwashing works, there are far more people who want to be told what to believe than want to actually think. Just look at patnet.
Otherwise you lose, and the Republicans will continue to win bigly.rando says
By being united as American citizens and not divided by some arbitrary division.
There are a lot more working class voters than top 1% voters, lol.
There is a LOT more money in the top 1% than working class, most of it with the .1 or even .01%. The Republicans (only Republicans that toe the libertarian line though) will continue to win bigly no matter what. The ultra rich libertarians have spent the last 50 years gradually buying the political process one step at a time. The endless whining and crying about identity politics and the liberal MSM is bulshit. It's part of a very long expensive campaign to develop a cult that believes anything other than the libertarian message as evil. It works. Look at the posters here. It's just reflexive at this point. Libertarian good, not libertarian bad. No logic or thinking required.
Look at west virginia. Why would the citizens of a state that has something like 22% of the economy in health care vote in someone who's biggest priority was to repeal obomacare? Once the repeal was being voted on and the reality set in that actually repealing obamacare would devastate the state's economy it was suddenly holy shit wait a minute let's not be so hasty about this repeal thing all over the state. But they all got sucked up into voting for the message that the libertarians spent god only knows how much cultivating without a bit of thought to what it actually meant or the consequences. That's the beauty of the libertarian message. Its always someone elses wasteful government spending that is going to be cut. Really brilliant mantra actually.
Look at our resident trumptard libertarian zombies. Regulations bad. Must get rid of regulations. The trumptards breath clean air, drink clean water, eat steak without cow shit in it, don't work 15 hours a day alongside their young children in a firetrap factory with the doors chained shut, don't die of black lung at 40, don't work all day knee deep in toxic chemicals with no protection then have their employer falsify the records (the koch bros almost went to jail for that one until intervention of their senator got the case dropped), have to move because the entire town was so polluted it's not habitable (koch bro's again) , Yep, you guys are perfectly willing to enjoy the benefits of regulations every single day. Ever actually stop to think about what regulations the libertarians actually want gone while you are crying that regulations are bad? Nope, not a clue. Just regulations bad. Hint, it won't be things like how wide the isle in the grocery store must be. It will be things that cost money, like processing toxic waste or worker safety. Again, brilliant message that can't be countered without actually thinking. Simple mindless mantras are the basis of all good cults.
Now the supreme court has allowed unlimited money to be spent by any entity the only thing that matters is how much money can be put down in the election process and used to generate the message. Democrats and moderate republicans will continue to lose and it has nothing at all to do with identity politics or anything else other than buying the election process. Brainwashing works, there are far more people who want to be told what to believe than want to actually think. Just look at patnet.
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anonymous
2017 Oct 28, 8:37am
Sniper says
Money doesn't matter in elections?
Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the Democratic National Committee violated campaign finance law by failing to disclose payments for a dossier on Donald Trump, according to a complaint filed Wednesday with...
Money doesn't matter in elections?
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anonymous
2017 Oct 28, 8:37am
Patrick says
As the amount of money in politics exponentially increases, you're never going to get the option to vote out the plutocracy. Don't you understand how many times this has played out before in history?
There are a lot more working class voters than top 1% voters, lol.
As the amount of money in politics exponentially increases, you're never going to get the option to vote out the plutocracy. Don't you understand how many times this has played out before in history?
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HEY YOU
2017 Oct 28, 9:21am
komputodo says
We are definitely above all the other great civilizations that have failed?
Black Swans are extinct in America?
.america isn't going anywhere.
We are definitely above all the other great civilizations that have failed?
Black Swans are extinct in America?
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socal2
2017 Oct 28, 9:40am
bob2356 says
Right - cause we really want ZERO regulations!? There is no in between - right Bob? We either need a fuck-ton of government and regulations or there is no government?
Progs and Democrats are hell bent on preventing ANY reform or streamlining of our massive bloated and inefficient bureaucracy lording over our lives. We just need MOAR taxes to keep feeding the beast.
Bob - do you suppose California would survive if we eliminated a few of these departments? Can we even have this discussion, or is just MOAR taxes?
LIST OF CALIFORNIA STATE AGENCIES
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_California_state_agencies
Administrative Law, Office of (OAL)
African American Museum, California (CAAM)
Aging, California Commission on (CCoA)
Aging, California Department of (CDA)
Agricultural Labor Relations Board (ALRB)
Air Resources Board (ARB, CARB)
Alcoholic Beverage Control Appeals Board (ABCAB)
Alcoholic Beverage Control, Department of (ABC)
Arts Council, California (CAC)
Asian Pacific Islander Legislative Caucus (API)
Assembly Democratic Caucus (ASMDC)
Assembly, California State
Association of Bay Area Governments, Earthquake & Hazards Program, (ABAG)
Athletic Commission, California State (CSAC)
Attorney General (Department of Justice) (AG)
Audits, Bureau of State (State Auditor) (BSA)
Automotive Repair, Bureau of (BAR)
Baldwin Hills Conservancy (BHC)
Bar of California, State (CALBAR)
Barbering and Cosmetology, Board of (BBC)
Behavioral Sciences, Board of (BBS)
Binational Border Health, California Office of (COBBH)
Biodiversity Council, California (CBC)
Blind, Office of Services to the (OSB)
Boating & Waterways, California Department of (DBW)
Boating and Waterways Commission, California
Building Standards Commission (BSC)
Business and Economic Development (Go-Biz)
Business Oversight, California Department of (DBO)
Business, Transportation, & Housing Agency (BTH)
Business.ca.gov (Go-Biz)
Cal EMA (CAL EMA)
CAL FIRE (CAL FIRE)
Cal-Atlas (Cal-Atlas)
Cal/EPA (CALEPA)
CalCareNet
CALFED Bay-Delta Program (CALFED)
CalFresh (CalFresh)
CalGOLD (CALGOLD)
California Channel (CalChannel)
CalJOBS (CALJOBS)
CalPERS (CALPERS)
CalRecycle
CalSTRS
Caltrans (Headquarters) (DOT,CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 1 (DOT, CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 10 (DOT,CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 11 (DOT,CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 12 (DOT, CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 2 (DOT,CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 3 (DOT,CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 4 (DOT, CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 5 (DOT, CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 6 (DOT, CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 7 (DOT,CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 8 (DOT,CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 9 (DOT, CALTRANS)
CalWORKS (CALWORKS)
Career Resource Network (CALCRN)
Cemetery & Funeral Bureau (CFB)
Central Valley Flood Protection Board (CVFPB)
Child Abuse Prevention, Office of
Child Support Services, Department of (CDCSS)
Chiropractic Examiners, Board of (BCE)
Citizens Compensation Commission, California
Citizens Redistricting Commission (CRC)
Climate Change Portal, California
Coachella Valley Mountains Conservancy (CVMC)
Coastal Commission, California
Coastal Conservancy, California
Colorado River Board of California (CRB)
Community Colleges System, California (CCCS)
Community Services & Development, Department of (CSD)
Compensation Insurance Fund, State (SCIF)
Conservation Corps, California (CCC)
Conservation, Department of (DOC)
Consumer Affairs, Department of (DCA)
Consumer Services Agency, State and (SCSA)
Contractors State License Board (CSLB)
Controller's Office, California State (SCO)
Correctional Health Care Services, California (CCHCS)
Corrections & Rehabilitation, Department of (CDCR)
Corrections Standards Authority (CSA)
Counties, California State Association of (CSAC)
Court Reporters Board of California
Courts, California
Courts of Appeal
Cyber Safety for Children
Deaf Access, Office of
Delta Conservancy
Delta Protection Commission
Delta Stewardship Council
Dental Board of California (DBC)
Dental Hygiene Committee of California (DHCC)
Denti-Cal (DENTI-CAL)
Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV)
Developmental Disabilities, State Council on (SCDD)
Developmental Services, Department of (DDS)
Disability Insurance, State (EDD)
Disabled Veterans Business Enterprise Advisory Council (DVBE)
Earthquake Authority, California
Education, California State Board of
Education, Department of (CDE)
eHealth Initiative, California
Elections (Secretary of State) (SOS)
Electronic & Appliance Repair, Bureau of (BEAR)
Emergency Communications Office (911), California
Emergency Food Assistance Program (EFAP)
Emergency Management Agency, California (Cal EMA)
Emergency Medical Services Authority (EMSA)
Employment Development Department (EDD)
Employment of People with Disabilities, California Committee on (CCEPD)
Employment Training Panel (ETP)
Energy Commission, California (ENERGY)
Environment Resources Evaluation System, California (CERES)
Environmental Health Hazard Assessment, Office of (OEHHA)
Environmental Protection Agency (CALEPA)
Equalization, Board of (BOE)
eServices Office (ESERVICES)
Experience Unlimited (EDD)
Exposition & State Fair, California (CAL EXPO)
Fair Employment & Housing Commission (FEHC)
Fair Employment & Housing, Department of (DFEH)
Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC)
Fair, California State (BIG FUN)
Film Commission, California (CFC)
Finance, Department of (DOF)
Financial Institutions, Department of (DFI)
Fire Marshal, Office of the State (OSFM)
Firearms, Bureau of (DOJ)
First 5 California (First 5)
Fish & Game Commission (FGC)
Fish & Game, Department of (DFG)
Fleet & Asset Management, Office of (OFAM)
Flex Alerts
Food & Agriculture, Department of (CDFA)
Forestry & Fire Protection, Board of (BOF)
Forestry & Fire Protection, California Department of (CAL FIRE)
Franchise Tax Board (FTB)
Gambling Control Commission (CGCC)
Gang & Youth Violence Policy, Governor's Office of (OGYVP)
General Services, Department of (DGS)
Geospatial Clearinghouse (CALATLAS)
GIS (Geographic Information Systems) Council, California (CGC)
Government Operations Agency
Governor's Mentoring Partnership (GMP)
Governor's Office of Business and Economic Development (GoED)
Governor's Office of Planning & Research (OPR)
Governor, Office of the (GO)
Guide Dogs for the Blind, Board of (BGDB)
Habeas Corpus Resource Center (HCRC)
Health and Human Services Agency (CHHS)
Health and Safety & Workers' Compensation, Commission on (CHSWC)
Health Benefit Exchange, California (HBEX)
Health Care Reform, California
Health Care Services, Department of (DHCS)
Health Information Integrity, California Office of (CALOHI)
Health Planning and Development, Office of Statewide (OSHPD)
Healthy Families Program
Hearing Aid Dispensers Bureau
High-Speed Rail Authority (CAHSRA)
Highway Patrol, California (CHP)
Historic Preservation, Office of (OHP)
Historical and Cultural Endowment, California
Historical Resources Commission, State (SHRC)
Home Furnishings and Thermal Insulation, Bureau of (BEARHFTI)
Homeless Youth Authority, California (HYP)
Horse Racing Board, California (CHRB)
Housing & Community Development, Department of (HCD)
Housing Finance Agency (CALHFA)
Human Resources, Department of (CalHR)
I Can Afford College
Independent Living Council, California State (CALSILC)
Industrial Relations, Department of (DIR)
Industrial Welfare Commission (IWC)
Information Security, Office of (OIS)
Infrastructure and Economic Development Bank (I-Bank) (IBANK)
Inspector General, Office of the (OIG)
Insurance Commissioner
Insurance, Department of (CDI)
Judicial Council of California
Judicial Performance, Commission on (CJP)
Justice, Department of (Attorney General) (DOJ)
Juvenile Justice, Division of
Juvenile Parole Board (JPB)
Labor and Workforce Development Agency (LWDA)
Labor Enforcement Task Force (LETF)
Labor Market Information Division (LMID)
Labor Standards Enforcement, Division of (DLSE)
Labor Statistics and Research, Division of (DLSR)
Lands Commission, California State (SLC)
Landscape Architects Technical Committee (LATC)
Latino Legislative Caucus (LLC)
Law Enforcement Agencies
Law Revision Committee (CLRC)
Learn California
Legislative Analyst's Office (LAO)
Legislative Black Caucus (ASM)
Legislative Environmental Caucus
Legislative Information (LEGINFO)
Legislative Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, & Transgender Caucus (LGBT)
Legislative Outdoor Sporting Caucus
Legislative Rural Caucus
Legislative Women's Caucus
Legislature, California State (LEGISLATURE)
Library, California State (CSL)
Lieutenant Governor, Office of (LTG)
Little Hoover Commission (LHC)
Lottery Commission (Lotto)
Lottery, State (LOTTERY)
Managed Health Care, Department of (DMHC)
Managed Risk Medical Insurance Board (MRMIB)
Medi-Cal (MEDI-CAL)
Mediation & Conciliation Service, State (CMCS)
Medi-Cal Access Program (MCAP)
Medical Assistance Commission (CMAC)
Medical Board of California (MBC)
Mental Health Services Oversight and Accountability Commission (MHSOAC)
Mental Health, Department of (DMH)
Mentally Ill Offenders, Council on (COMIO)
Military Museum, California State (CSMM)
Mine Reclamation, Office of
Mining & Geology Board (SMGB)
Missing & Unidentified Persons Unit (DOJ)
Motor Vehicles, Department of (DMV)
Museum for History, Women and the Arts, California
Museum, the California (Museum)
MyCali Youth Portal (MYCALI)
Native American Heritage Commission (NAHC)
Natural Resources Agency, California
Naturopathic Medicine Committee
New Motor Vehicle Board (NMVB)
Occupational Safety & Health, California Office of (DOSH)
Occupational Safety and Health Appeals Board (DIR, OSHAB)
Occupational Safety and Health Standards Board (OSHSB)
Occupational Therapy, California Board of (BOT)
Ocean & Coastal Environmental Access Network, California (Cal OCEAN)
Ocean Protection Council (OPC)
Off-Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation (OHMVR)
Office of Statewide Health Planning & Development (OSHPD)
Oil, Gas & Geothermal Resources
Optometry, Board of
Osteopathic Medical Board of California (OMBC)
Paid Family Leave Insurance Program (PFL)
Parks and Recreation, California Department of
Park and Recreation Commission, California State (PARKS)
Parole Hearings, Board of (CDCR, BOPH)
Patient Advocate, Office of the (OPA)
Peace Officer Standards & Training, Commission on (POST)
Personnel Board, State (SPB)
Pesticide Regulation, Department of (CDPR)
Pharmacy, Board of
Physical Fitness and Sports, California Governor's Council on
Physical Therapy Board of California (PTBC)
Physician Assistant Committee (PAC)
Pilot Commissioners, Board of (BOPC)
Podiatric Medicine, Board of (BPM)
Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan (PCIP)
Prison Industry Authority (CALPIA)
Privacy Protection, Office of (OPP)
Private Postsecondary Education, Bureau for (BPPE)
Procurement Division (PD)
Professional Engineers, Land Surveyors, & Geologists, Board for
Professional Fiduciaries Bureau
Psychology, Board of
Public Employees Retirement System, California (CalPERS)
Public Employment Relations Board, California (PERB)
Public Health, California Department of (CDPH)
Public Infrastructure Advisory Commission (PIAC)
Public Safety Communications, Office of (PSCO)
Public School Construction, Office of (OPSC)
Public Utilities Commission, California (CPUC)
Publishing, Office of State (OSP)
Railroad Museum, California State (CSRMF)
Real Estate Appraisers, Office of (OREA)
Real Estate, Department of (DRE)
Regenerative Medicine, California Institute for (CIRM)
Registered Nursing, Board of (RN)
Registrar of Charitable Trusts (AG)
Rehabilitation, California Department of (DOR)
Research Bureau, California (CRB)
Respiratory Care Board of California (RCB)
Risk and Insurance Management, Office of (ORIM)
Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta Conservancy
Safe at Home Program (Secretary of State)
San Diego River Conservancy (SDRC)
San Francisco Bay Conservation & Development Commission (BCDC)
San Gabriel & Lower Los Angeles Rivers & Mountains Conservancy (RMC)
San Joaquin River Conservancy (SJRC)
Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy (SMMC)
Science Center, California
Secretary of State, California (SOS)
Security and Investigative Services, Bureau of (BSIS)
Seismic Safety Commission, California (SSC)
Self Insurance Plans (DIR, SIP)
Senate Democratic Caucus
Senate Office of Research (SOR)
Senate Republican Caucus
Senate, California State
Sierra Nevada Conservancy
Small Business & Disabled Veteran Business Enterprise Certification Program
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Social Services, Department of (CDSS)
Speech-Language Pathology and Audiology Board
State Mandates, Commission on (CSM)
Status of Women and Girls, California Commission on the
Structural Pest Control Board
Student Aid Commission, California (CSAC)
Summer School for the Arts, California State (CSSSA)
Superintendent of Public Instruction, State (SPI)
Superior Courts, California (COURTS)
Supreme Court of California (COURTS)
Systems Integration, Office of (OSI)
Tahoe Conservancy, California
Tax Service Center, California (TAXES)
Teacher Credentialing, Commission on (CTC)
Teachers' Retirement System, California (CalSTRS)
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Technology Services, Office of (OTech)
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Tourism, California Office of
Toxic Substances Control, California Department of (DTSC)
Traffic Safety, California Office of (OTS)
Transportation Commission, California (CTC)
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Treasurer's Office, State (STO)
Trustees, Board of (California State University)
Unclaimed Property (SCO)
Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board (CUIAB)
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Uniform Custom Cost Accounting Commission (SCO)
University of California (UC)
University, California State (CALSTATE, CSU)
Veterans Affairs, Department of (CalVet)
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Victim Compensation Board, California (CalVCB)
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Volunteers, California
Voter Registration - Secretary of State (SOS)
Water Resources Control Board, State (WRCB)
Water Resources, Department of (DWR)
Wildlife Conservation Board (WCB)
Workforce Development Board, California (CWDB)
Look at our resident trumptard libertarian zombies. Regulations bad. Must get rid of regulations. The trumptards breath clean air, drink clean water, eat steak without cow shit in it, don't work 15 hours a day alongside their young children in a firetrap factory with the doors chained shut, don't die of black lung at 40, don't work all day knee deep in toxic chemicals with no protection
Right - cause we really want ZERO regulations!? There is no in between - right Bob? We either need a fuck-ton of government and regulations or there is no government?
Progs and Democrats are hell bent on preventing ANY reform or streamlining of our massive bloated and inefficient bureaucracy lording over our lives. We just need MOAR taxes to keep feeding the beast.
Bob - do you suppose California would survive if we eliminated a few of these departments? Can we even have this discussion, or is just MOAR taxes?
LIST OF CALIFORNIA STATE AGENCIES
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_California_state_agencies
Administrative Law, Office of (OAL)
African American Museum, California (CAAM)
Aging, California Commission on (CCoA)
Aging, California Department of (CDA)
Agricultural Labor Relations Board (ALRB)
Air Resources Board (ARB, CARB)
Alcoholic Beverage Control Appeals Board (ABCAB)
Alcoholic Beverage Control, Department of (ABC)
Arts Council, California (CAC)
Asian Pacific Islander Legislative Caucus (API)
Assembly Democratic Caucus (ASMDC)
Assembly, California State
Association of Bay Area Governments, Earthquake & Hazards Program, (ABAG)
Athletic Commission, California State (CSAC)
Attorney General (Department of Justice) (AG)
Audits, Bureau of State (State Auditor) (BSA)
Automotive Repair, Bureau of (BAR)
Baldwin Hills Conservancy (BHC)
Bar of California, State (CALBAR)
Barbering and Cosmetology, Board of (BBC)
Behavioral Sciences, Board of (BBS)
Binational Border Health, California Office of (COBBH)
Biodiversity Council, California (CBC)
Blind, Office of Services to the (OSB)
Boating & Waterways, California Department of (DBW)
Boating and Waterways Commission, California
Building Standards Commission (BSC)
Business and Economic Development (Go-Biz)
Business Oversight, California Department of (DBO)
Business, Transportation, & Housing Agency (BTH)
Business.ca.gov (Go-Biz)
Cal EMA (CAL EMA)
CAL FIRE (CAL FIRE)
Cal-Atlas (Cal-Atlas)
Cal/EPA (CALEPA)
CalCareNet
CALFED Bay-Delta Program (CALFED)
CalFresh (CalFresh)
CalGOLD (CALGOLD)
California Channel (CalChannel)
CalJOBS (CALJOBS)
CalPERS (CALPERS)
CalRecycle
CalSTRS
Caltrans (Headquarters) (DOT,CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 1 (DOT, CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 10 (DOT,CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 11 (DOT,CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 12 (DOT, CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 2 (DOT,CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 3 (DOT,CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 4 (DOT, CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 5 (DOT, CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 6 (DOT, CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 7 (DOT,CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 8 (DOT,CALTRANS)
Caltrans, District 9 (DOT, CALTRANS)
CalWORKS (CALWORKS)
Career Resource Network (CALCRN)
Cemetery & Funeral Bureau (CFB)
Central Valley Flood Protection Board (CVFPB)
Child Abuse Prevention, Office of
Child Support Services, Department of (CDCSS)
Chiropractic Examiners, Board of (BCE)
Citizens Compensation Commission, California
Citizens Redistricting Commission (CRC)
Climate Change Portal, California
Coachella Valley Mountains Conservancy (CVMC)
Coastal Commission, California
Coastal Conservancy, California
Colorado River Board of California (CRB)
Community Colleges System, California (CCCS)
Community Services & Development, Department of (CSD)
Compensation Insurance Fund, State (SCIF)
Conservation Corps, California (CCC)
Conservation, Department of (DOC)
Consumer Affairs, Department of (DCA)
Consumer Services Agency, State and (SCSA)
Contractors State License Board (CSLB)
Controller's Office, California State (SCO)
Correctional Health Care Services, California (CCHCS)
Corrections & Rehabilitation, Department of (CDCR)
Corrections Standards Authority (CSA)
Counties, California State Association of (CSAC)
Court Reporters Board of California
Courts, California
Courts of Appeal
Cyber Safety for Children
Deaf Access, Office of
Delta Conservancy
Delta Protection Commission
Delta Stewardship Council
Dental Board of California (DBC)
Dental Hygiene Committee of California (DHCC)
Denti-Cal (DENTI-CAL)
Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV)
Developmental Disabilities, State Council on (SCDD)
Developmental Services, Department of (DDS)
Disability Insurance, State (EDD)
Disabled Veterans Business Enterprise Advisory Council (DVBE)
Earthquake Authority, California
Education, California State Board of
Education, Department of (CDE)
eHealth Initiative, California
Elections (Secretary of State) (SOS)
Electronic & Appliance Repair, Bureau of (BEAR)
Emergency Communications Office (911), California
Emergency Food Assistance Program (EFAP)
Emergency Management Agency, California (Cal EMA)
Emergency Medical Services Authority (EMSA)
Employment Development Department (EDD)
Employment of People with Disabilities, California Committee on (CCEPD)
Employment Training Panel (ETP)
Energy Commission, California (ENERGY)
Environment Resources Evaluation System, California (CERES)
Environmental Health Hazard Assessment, Office of (OEHHA)
Environmental Protection Agency (CALEPA)
Equalization, Board of (BOE)
eServices Office (ESERVICES)
Experience Unlimited (EDD)
Exposition & State Fair, California (CAL EXPO)
Fair Employment & Housing Commission (FEHC)
Fair Employment & Housing, Department of (DFEH)
Fair Political Practices Commission (FPPC)
Fair, California State (BIG FUN)
Film Commission, California (CFC)
Finance, Department of (DOF)
Financial Institutions, Department of (DFI)
Fire Marshal, Office of the State (OSFM)
Firearms, Bureau of (DOJ)
First 5 California (First 5)
Fish & Game Commission (FGC)
Fish & Game, Department of (DFG)
Fleet & Asset Management, Office of (OFAM)
Flex Alerts
Food & Agriculture, Department of (CDFA)
Forestry & Fire Protection, Board of (BOF)
Forestry & Fire Protection, California Department of (CAL FIRE)
Franchise Tax Board (FTB)
Gambling Control Commission (CGCC)
Gang & Youth Violence Policy, Governor's Office of (OGYVP)
General Services, Department of (DGS)
Geospatial Clearinghouse (CALATLAS)
GIS (Geographic Information Systems) Council, California (CGC)
Government Operations Agency
Governor's Mentoring Partnership (GMP)
Governor's Office of Business and Economic Development (GoED)
Governor's Office of Planning & Research (OPR)
Governor, Office of the (GO)
Guide Dogs for the Blind, Board of (BGDB)
Habeas Corpus Resource Center (HCRC)
Health and Human Services Agency (CHHS)
Health and Safety & Workers' Compensation, Commission on (CHSWC)
Health Benefit Exchange, California (HBEX)
Health Care Reform, California
Health Care Services, Department of (DHCS)
Health Information Integrity, California Office of (CALOHI)
Health Planning and Development, Office of Statewide (OSHPD)
Healthy Families Program
Hearing Aid Dispensers Bureau
High-Speed Rail Authority (CAHSRA)
Highway Patrol, California (CHP)
Historic Preservation, Office of (OHP)
Historical and Cultural Endowment, California
Historical Resources Commission, State (SHRC)
Home Furnishings and Thermal Insulation, Bureau of (BEARHFTI)
Homeless Youth Authority, California (HYP)
Horse Racing Board, California (CHRB)
Housing & Community Development, Department of (HCD)
Housing Finance Agency (CALHFA)
Human Resources, Department of (CalHR)
I Can Afford College
Independent Living Council, California State (CALSILC)
Industrial Relations, Department of (DIR)
Industrial Welfare Commission (IWC)
Information Security, Office of (OIS)
Infrastructure and Economic Development Bank (I-Bank) (IBANK)
Inspector General, Office of the (OIG)
Insurance Commissioner
Insurance, Department of (CDI)
Judicial Council of California
Judicial Performance, Commission on (CJP)
Justice, Department of (Attorney General) (DOJ)
Juvenile Justice, Division of
Juvenile Parole Board (JPB)
Labor and Workforce Development Agency (LWDA)
Labor Enforcement Task Force (LETF)
Labor Market Information Division (LMID)
Labor Standards Enforcement, Division of (DLSE)
Labor Statistics and Research, Division of (DLSR)
Lands Commission, California State (SLC)
Landscape Architects Technical Committee (LATC)
Latino Legislative Caucus (LLC)
Law Enforcement Agencies
Law Revision Committee (CLRC)
Learn California
Legislative Analyst's Office (LAO)
Legislative Black Caucus (ASM)
Legislative Environmental Caucus
Legislative Information (LEGINFO)
Legislative Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, & Transgender Caucus (LGBT)
Legislative Outdoor Sporting Caucus
Legislative Rural Caucus
Legislative Women's Caucus
Legislature, California State (LEGISLATURE)
Library, California State (CSL)
Lieutenant Governor, Office of (LTG)
Little Hoover Commission (LHC)
Lottery Commission (Lotto)
Lottery, State (LOTTERY)
Managed Health Care, Department of (DMHC)
Managed Risk Medical Insurance Board (MRMIB)
Medi-Cal (MEDI-CAL)
Mediation & Conciliation Service, State (CMCS)
Medi-Cal Access Program (MCAP)
Medical Assistance Commission (CMAC)
Medical Board of California (MBC)
Mental Health Services Oversight and Accountability Commission (MHSOAC)
Mental Health, Department of (DMH)
Mentally Ill Offenders, Council on (COMIO)
Military Museum, California State (CSMM)
Mine Reclamation, Office of
Mining & Geology Board (SMGB)
Missing & Unidentified Persons Unit (DOJ)
Motor Vehicles, Department of (DMV)
Museum for History, Women and the Arts, California
Museum, the California (Museum)
MyCali Youth Portal (MYCALI)
Native American Heritage Commission (NAHC)
Natural Resources Agency, California
Naturopathic Medicine Committee
New Motor Vehicle Board (NMVB)
Occupational Safety & Health, California Office of (DOSH)
Occupational Safety and Health Appeals Board (DIR, OSHAB)
Occupational Safety and Health Standards Board (OSHSB)
Occupational Therapy, California Board of (BOT)
Ocean & Coastal Environmental Access Network, California (Cal OCEAN)
Ocean Protection Council (OPC)
Off-Highway Motor Vehicle Recreation (OHMVR)
Office of Statewide Health Planning & Development (OSHPD)
Oil, Gas & Geothermal Resources
Optometry, Board of
Osteopathic Medical Board of California (OMBC)
Paid Family Leave Insurance Program (PFL)
Parks and Recreation, California Department of
Park and Recreation Commission, California State (PARKS)
Parole Hearings, Board of (CDCR, BOPH)
Patient Advocate, Office of the (OPA)
Peace Officer Standards & Training, Commission on (POST)
Personnel Board, State (SPB)
Pesticide Regulation, Department of (CDPR)
Pharmacy, Board of
Physical Fitness and Sports, California Governor's Council on
Physical Therapy Board of California (PTBC)
Physician Assistant Committee (PAC)
Pilot Commissioners, Board of (BOPC)
Podiatric Medicine, Board of (BPM)
Pre-Existing Condition Insurance Plan (PCIP)
Prison Industry Authority (CALPIA)
Privacy Protection, Office of (OPP)
Private Postsecondary Education, Bureau for (BPPE)
Procurement Division (PD)
Professional Engineers, Land Surveyors, & Geologists, Board for
Professional Fiduciaries Bureau
Psychology, Board of
Public Employees Retirement System, California (CalPERS)
Public Employment Relations Board, California (PERB)
Public Health, California Department of (CDPH)
Public Infrastructure Advisory Commission (PIAC)
Public Safety Communications, Office of (PSCO)
Public School Construction, Office of (OPSC)
Public Utilities Commission, California (CPUC)
Publishing, Office of State (OSP)
Railroad Museum, California State (CSRMF)
Real Estate Appraisers, Office of (OREA)
Real Estate, Department of (DRE)
Regenerative Medicine, California Institute for (CIRM)
Registered Nursing, Board of (RN)
Registrar of Charitable Trusts (AG)
Rehabilitation, California Department of (DOR)
Research Bureau, California (CRB)
Respiratory Care Board of California (RCB)
Risk and Insurance Management, Office of (ORIM)
Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta Conservancy
Safe at Home Program (Secretary of State)
San Diego River Conservancy (SDRC)
San Francisco Bay Conservation & Development Commission (BCDC)
San Gabriel & Lower Los Angeles Rivers & Mountains Conservancy (RMC)
San Joaquin River Conservancy (SJRC)
Santa Monica Mountains Conservancy (SMMC)
Science Center, California
Secretary of State, California (SOS)
Security and Investigative Services, Bureau of (BSIS)
Seismic Safety Commission, California (SSC)
Self Insurance Plans (DIR, SIP)
Senate Democratic Caucus
Senate Office of Research (SOR)
Senate Republican Caucus
Senate, California State
Sierra Nevada Conservancy
Small Business & Disabled Veteran Business Enterprise Certification Program
Small Business Development Centers (SBDC)
Social Services, Department of (CDSS)
Speech-Language Pathology and Audiology Board
State Mandates, Commission on (CSM)
Status of Women and Girls, California Commission on the
Structural Pest Control Board
Student Aid Commission, California (CSAC)
Summer School for the Arts, California State (CSSSA)
Superintendent of Public Instruction, State (SPI)
Superior Courts, California (COURTS)
Supreme Court of California (COURTS)
Systems Integration, Office of (OSI)
Tahoe Conservancy, California
Tax Service Center, California (TAXES)
Teacher Credentialing, Commission on (CTC)
Teachers' Retirement System, California (CalSTRS)
Technology, Department of
Technology Services, Office of (OTech)
Telephone Medical Advice Services Bureau (DCA, TMAS)
Tourism, California Office of
Toxic Substances Control, California Department of (DTSC)
Traffic Safety, California Office of (OTS)
Transportation Commission, California (CTC)
Transportation, Department of (DOT,CALTRANS)
Treasurer's Office, State (STO)
Trustees, Board of (California State University)
Unclaimed Property (SCO)
Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board (CUIAB)
Unemployment Insurance Program (EDD, UI)
Uniform Custom Cost Accounting Commission (SCO)
University of California (UC)
University, California State (CALSTATE, CSU)
Veterans Affairs, Department of (CalVet)
Veterinary Medical Board, California (VMB)
Victim Compensation Board, California (CalVCB)
Vocational Nursing and Psychiatric Technicians, Board of (BVNPT)
Volunteers, California
Voter Registration - Secretary of State (SOS)
Water Resources Control Board, State (WRCB)
Water Resources, Department of (DWR)
Wildlife Conservation Board (WCB)
Workforce Development Board, California (CWDB)
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socal2
2017 Oct 28, 9:49am
joeyjojojunior says
Then shouldn't the Democrat party purge their ranks of the SJW retards and get serious about serious issues?
Most Democrat policies are not that popular with most people when you really examine the issue. It's cheap and easy to promise free shit and demonize the rich. Everyone likes to promise of free shit until they realize the real cost of these things.
I think many leaders in the Democrat party realize this, so they went for a strategy of cobbling together a balkanized coalition of victim groups (women, minorities, gays, immigrants, trannies) thinking it would secure them a demographic majority for the foreseeable future.
Do I agree with SJWs? No, of course not. But it is 1,000,000 times less important to me than fixing wealth disparity, taxes, regulation, the militarization of police, government surveillance, and probably a hundred other issues. I think you used to feel the same way until you fell under the Trump cult.
Then shouldn't the Democrat party purge their ranks of the SJW retards and get serious about serious issues?
Most Democrat policies are not that popular with most people when you really examine the issue. It's cheap and easy to promise free shit and demonize the rich. Everyone likes to promise of free shit until they realize the real cost of these things.
I think many leaders in the Democrat party realize this, so they went for a strategy of cobbling together a balkanized coalition of victim groups (women, minorities, gays, immigrants, trannies) thinking it would secure them a demographic majority for the foreseeable future.
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anonymous
2017 Oct 28, 10:45am
So what happens if Trump's incompetence makes SJWs even stronger the next election cycle? There are plenty of signs this is happening.
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socal2
2017 Oct 28, 10:54am
anonymous says
What signs?
The SJW'rs in Academia are eating their own where Liberal professors are starting to speak out against them. The BLM movement massively hurt enrollment at Mizzou. What parent is going to spend tens of thousands of dollars to have screechy SJW'rs tell them there are more than 2 genders and they are all guilty of white privilege?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/university-of-missouri-enrollment-protests-fallout.html
The SJW'rs in the NFL have tanked football ratings.
And now we are seeing the total hypocrisy of SJW central (Hollywood/Media) with all the sex scandal stuff coming to light.
I am not giving Trump credit for this - but his "incompetence" doesn't look like he is making them stronger by any means.
So what happens if Trump's incompetence makes SJWs even stronger the next election cycle? There are plenty of signs this is happening.
What signs?
The SJW'rs in Academia are eating their own where Liberal professors are starting to speak out against them. The BLM movement massively hurt enrollment at Mizzou. What parent is going to spend tens of thousands of dollars to have screechy SJW'rs tell them there are more than 2 genders and they are all guilty of white privilege?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/09/us/university-of-missouri-enrollment-protests-fallout.html
The SJW'rs in the NFL have tanked football ratings.
And now we are seeing the total hypocrisy of SJW central (Hollywood/Media) with all the sex scandal stuff coming to light.
I am not giving Trump credit for this - but his "incompetence" doesn't look like he is making them stronger by any means.
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bob2356
2017 Oct 28, 10:57am
Sniper says
and money never influences votes. go trolll somewhere else.
Oh Bobby, money doesn't matter, because everyone only gets ONE vote, and there a lot more working class people than 1%ers.
and money never influences votes. go trolll somewhere else.
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bob2356
2017 Oct 28, 11:06am
socal2 says
How come you skipped the other part of the comment? Dishonest much? Why didn't you address what I actually posted instead of putting up this nonsense.
So what regulations do you believe the ultra rich libertarians paying for elections want to eliminate that are keeping them from creating jobs and paying employees more? How about having an honest discussion of the issues from you for once? Na, that's not going to happen. Just strawmen and platitudes.
Right - cause we really want ZERO regulations!? There is no in between - right Bob? We either need a fuck-ton of government and regulations or there is no government?
How come you skipped the other part of the comment? Dishonest much? Why didn't you address what I actually posted instead of putting up this nonsense.
So what regulations do you believe the ultra rich libertarians paying for elections want to eliminate that are keeping them from creating jobs and paying employees more? How about having an honest discussion of the issues from you for once? Na, that's not going to happen. Just strawmen and platitudes.
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socal2
2017 Oct 28, 11:31am
bob2356 says
Says the guy that said Republicans/Libertarians want all regulations gone and no government.
All the while complaining that we can't have an honest discussion about the appropriate level of government control over our lives? You might want to look in the mirror.
It just amazes me how Democrats can dominate the debate and make it all about the level of taxation - and not about the size, scope and quality of our government.
How about having an honest discussion of the issues from you for once? Na, that's not going to happen. Just strawmen and platitudes.
Says the guy that said Republicans/Libertarians want all regulations gone and no government.
All the while complaining that we can't have an honest discussion about the appropriate level of government control over our lives? You might want to look in the mirror.
It just amazes me how Democrats can dominate the debate and make it all about the level of taxation - and not about the size, scope and quality of our government.
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anonymous
2017 Oct 28, 5:21pm
socal2 says
Growth of Antifa, Colbert taking the lead on TV, Republicans getting clobbered in the polls. The latest Fox congressional poll is 50% Democrats, 35% Republicans.
What signs?
Growth of Antifa, Colbert taking the lead on TV, Republicans getting clobbered in the polls. The latest Fox congressional poll is 50% Democrats, 35% Republicans.
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CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 28, 6:28pm
CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 28, 6:28pm
socal2 says
Absolute horseshit.
Antifa is FINALLY being acknowledged as the problem they are from the left. There are more red-pilled individuals almost daily. Any democrat who embraces identity politics will severely handicap their chances of winning an election.
The R's will continue to dominate the D's until they remember to support the working class over identity politics nonsense.
anonymous saysSo what happens if Trump's incompetence makes SJWs even stronger the next election cycle? There are plenty of signs this is happening.
What signs?
Absolute horseshit.
Antifa is FINALLY being acknowledged as the problem they are from the left. There are more red-pilled individuals almost daily. Any democrat who embraces identity politics will severely handicap their chances of winning an election.
The R's will continue to dominate the D's until they remember to support the working class over identity politics nonsense.
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anonymous
2017 Oct 28, 9:47pm
IT's finny really that Patrick says that, considering rush limbaugh, fox news and talk radio has offered nothing but hate for decades now.
Do you even realize the extent to which you've been programmed Patrick ?
Do you even realize the extent to which you've been programmed Patrick ?
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bob2356
2017 Oct 28, 10:30pm
socal2 says
More misdirection and/or poor reading comprehension. Where did I say libertarians want all regulations gone and no government? Show me where the word ALL is in my entire comment? Anywhere? Go ahead post where the word ALL is from any of my comments. Here let's look at the instant replay.
bob2356 says
Look, the word is WHAT, not ALL. Rich libertarians love regulations that restrict competition. They hate regulations that cost money. Like cleaning up toxic waste or worker safety. Followers of the libertarian cult usually reflexively believe regulations are bad no matter what they are because that's the mantra they have been taught. Plenty of posters here on patnet have said exactly that. Do you deny it? Funny how there never any stories on fox or in bretibart about libertarians spending millions lobbying FOR regulations that restrict competition or to give them special treatment. Can't bite the hand that feeds you.
Are the words NO GOVERNMENT in there anywhere? Libertarians love government spending as long as it's all on them. Libertarians love tax breaks and subsidies, Do you know who spent the most money lobbying for the bank bailout? The koch bro's organization. They lost millions in the stock plunge and desperately wanted the government to make it up. They are all about public risk, private profits. Again, the cult followers are only given half the story and many devotedly believe it. Want me to quote a couple dozen on patnet this week alone that say government is all bad?
No we can't have an honest discussion if you keep making things up.
bob2356 saysHow about having an honest discussion of the issues from you for once? Na, that's not going to happen. Just strawmen and platitudes.
Says the guy that said Republicans/Libertarians want all regulations gone and no government.
All the while complaining that we can't have an honest discussion about the appropriate level of government control over our lives? You might want to look in the mirror.
More misdirection and/or poor reading comprehension. Where did I say libertarians want all regulations gone and no government? Show me where the word ALL is in my entire comment? Anywhere? Go ahead post where the word ALL is from any of my comments. Here let's look at the instant replay.
bob2356 says
Ever actually stop to think about what regulations the libertarians actually want gone while you are crying that regulations are bad?
Look, the word is WHAT, not ALL. Rich libertarians love regulations that restrict competition. They hate regulations that cost money. Like cleaning up toxic waste or worker safety. Followers of the libertarian cult usually reflexively believe regulations are bad no matter what they are because that's the mantra they have been taught. Plenty of posters here on patnet have said exactly that. Do you deny it? Funny how there never any stories on fox or in bretibart about libertarians spending millions lobbying FOR regulations that restrict competition or to give them special treatment. Can't bite the hand that feeds you.
Are the words NO GOVERNMENT in there anywhere? Libertarians love government spending as long as it's all on them. Libertarians love tax breaks and subsidies, Do you know who spent the most money lobbying for the bank bailout? The koch bro's organization. They lost millions in the stock plunge and desperately wanted the government to make it up. They are all about public risk, private profits. Again, the cult followers are only given half the story and many devotedly believe it. Want me to quote a couple dozen on patnet this week alone that say government is all bad?
No we can't have an honest discussion if you keep making things up.
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bob2356
2017 Oct 28, 10:37pm
Sniper says
That's all you can come up with piggy, an extra l. Pretty pathetic.
So if money doesn't affect voting then why do corporations and wealthy donors contribute 100's of millions every election cycle? They have too much money in the bank and it's a good way to spend it? The shareholders said no we don't want any stinking dividends in election years?
What is even more pathetic is you are trolling this kind of stupidity 18 hours a day for free.
So if you have money, does that get you like 3 votes or more, or do you still have only one?
Oh, BTW, TROLL only has TWO "L"s, why can't you stop fucking up?
That's all you can come up with piggy, an extra l. Pretty pathetic.
So if money doesn't affect voting then why do corporations and wealthy donors contribute 100's of millions every election cycle? They have too much money in the bank and it's a good way to spend it? The shareholders said no we don't want any stinking dividends in election years?
What is even more pathetic is you are trolling this kind of stupidity 18 hours a day for free.
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CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 29, 1:12am
CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 29, 1:12am
bob2356 says
I have seem the conversation consistentlyframed this way, typically as a convenient straw man from which ever side is dismissing the other. As a specific statement I absolutely "deny it". Id enjoy you showing me where anyone in this forum reflexively believe regulations are either all bad or all good. (Don't think you can.)
It is also interesting that you classify billionaires as libertarians, when most of them are autboritarians, exactly the opposite of libertarians
Followers of the libertarian cult usually reflexively believe regulations are bad no matter what they are because that's the mantra they have been taught. Plenty of posters here on patnet have said exactly that. Do you deny it?
I have seem the conversation consistentlyframed this way, typically as a convenient straw man from which ever side is dismissing the other. As a specific statement I absolutely "deny it". Id enjoy you showing me where anyone in this forum reflexively believe regulations are either all bad or all good. (Don't think you can.)
It is also interesting that you classify billionaires as libertarians, when most of them are autboritarians, exactly the opposite of libertarians
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CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 29, 1:14am
CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 29, 1:14am
bob2356 says
Yes.
Want me to quote a couple dozen on patnet this week alone that say government is all bad?
Yes.
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CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 29, 1:16am
CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 29, 1:16am
jazz_music says
Do you know what you are talking about? I certainly dont.
Is this a corruption misdirection? Stay on target kid
CBOEtrader saysThe R's will continue to dominate the D's
... until they run out of wealth and power to gift to their donors.
Do you know what you are talking about? I certainly dont.
Is this a corruption misdirection? Stay on target kid
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bob2356
2017 Oct 29, 6:24am
CBOEtrader says
More misdirection. There are only 2 sides? I dismiss the kool aide drinkers on both sides as brainwashed fools. The problem is they are multiplying exponentially as more and more people are led to the extremes by clever marketing and cynical manipulation for political advantage. Since I'm not piggy with all day and night to spend on patnet I grabbed a couple comments real quick.
Wall Street, banks, energy, RE, airlines, consumer products, etc. Less regulation, tax cuts, generally a president who is seen as pro-business. Doesn't matter how we analyze it, the trend is your friend.
Restaurants are too expensive these days. Every regulation, every tax, it all makes it more expensive to run a very competitive business. And costs get to a point where customers can't afford it. If you want to blame someone, blame liberals who went with idiotic socialist anti-business and anti-america policies.
Meanwhile the EPA and every other government agency regulations cost ridiculous amounts of money while providing very questionable results.
One of the things the government can't do is run anything.
Everything government touches turns to crap.
I'm not calling billionaires libertarians. The billionaire followers of the koch bros call themselves libertarians. You do know David Koch ran as vp on the libertarian party ticket once don't you? At the Libertarian convention, Koch called the libertarian party the “best hope for human freedom since the American Revolution.” I would submit that he considers himself libertarian, do you disagree? How about de vos being featured in Being Libertarian? How about self described libertarians like Thiel and Mackay?
The real irony is that the most militant anti government libertarians almost all made their money from the government, usually inherited from their parents who actually made the money from the government for them. Koch bros' being the best example.
I have seem the conversation consistentlyframed this way, typically as a convenient straw man from which ever side is dismissing the other. As a specific statement I absolutely "deny it". Id enjoy you showing me where anyone in this forum reflexively believe regulations are either all bad or all good. (Don't think you can.)
It is also interesting that you classify billionaires as libertarians, when most of them are autboritarians, exactly the opposite of libertarians
More misdirection. There are only 2 sides? I dismiss the kool aide drinkers on both sides as brainwashed fools. The problem is they are multiplying exponentially as more and more people are led to the extremes by clever marketing and cynical manipulation for political advantage. Since I'm not piggy with all day and night to spend on patnet I grabbed a couple comments real quick.
Wall Street, banks, energy, RE, airlines, consumer products, etc. Less regulation, tax cuts, generally a president who is seen as pro-business. Doesn't matter how we analyze it, the trend is your friend.
Restaurants are too expensive these days. Every regulation, every tax, it all makes it more expensive to run a very competitive business. And costs get to a point where customers can't afford it. If you want to blame someone, blame liberals who went with idiotic socialist anti-business and anti-america policies.
Meanwhile the EPA and every other government agency regulations cost ridiculous amounts of money while providing very questionable results.
One of the things the government can't do is run anything.
Everything government touches turns to crap.
I'm not calling billionaires libertarians. The billionaire followers of the koch bros call themselves libertarians. You do know David Koch ran as vp on the libertarian party ticket once don't you? At the Libertarian convention, Koch called the libertarian party the “best hope for human freedom since the American Revolution.” I would submit that he considers himself libertarian, do you disagree? How about de vos being featured in Being Libertarian? How about self described libertarians like Thiel and Mackay?
The real irony is that the most militant anti government libertarians almost all made their money from the government, usually inherited from their parents who actually made the money from the government for them. Koch bros' being the best example.
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HEY YOU
2017 Oct 29, 11:13am
-Declaration of Independence:
" — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it," ....especially when they are Pissed-Off!
This trumps your wimpy Constitution.
How many Republicans are sucking the CA. payroll?
Of course they reject any State pensions & pay cash for their healthcare.
They are marching to eliminate the unnecessary departments as long as any one of them doesn't have to get a job at the French Fry Station.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_California_state_agencies
" — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it," ....especially when they are Pissed-Off!
This trumps your wimpy Constitution.
How many Republicans are sucking the CA. payroll?
Of course they reject any State pensions & pay cash for their healthcare.
They are marching to eliminate the unnecessary departments as long as any one of them doesn't have to get a job at the French Fry Station.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_California_state_agencies
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CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 29, 12:05pm
CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 29, 12:05pm
bob2356 says
Yes when boiled down to the straw-man level, we either have more or less regulation. In this oversimplified talking point no one ever discusses good vs bad regulations, just more vs less.
Regulation is not salt in a soup. Its not fungible.
Glad we got that out the way :)
There are only 2 sides?
Yes when boiled down to the straw-man level, we either have more or less regulation. In this oversimplified talking point no one ever discusses good vs bad regulations, just more vs less.
Regulation is not salt in a soup. Its not fungible.
Glad we got that out the way :)
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steverbeaver
2017 Oct 29, 10:37pm
steverbeaver
2017 Oct 29, 10:37pm
I find the prospect of another 7 years of Trump to be most exciting (of course). I can only become so erect at the goings-on right now... but a 7-years of it? Yes please.
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bob2356
2017 Oct 30, 6:37am
CBOEtrader says
Perfect, you made by point. The vast majority of mindless followers of the libertarian cult simply believe less is always better because all regulations are bad. Find one single example in any of the conservative press that supports any type of regulation as good or supports any kind of regulation at all. Go ahead, go for it. The only exception is social issues where the religious/authoritarian sub cult wants to run everyones life taliban style. The libertarian money people don't care about this, but they encourage it as a rallying point to keep the two basically incompatible groups, the libertarian/anti government and religious/authoritarian, working together. That is fracturing right now with the bannon/trump vs main stream republican. split
I don't see the so called MSM (although I don't read a lot of MSM) calling day in and day out for more regulation or the majority of people identifying themselves as liberals calling for more and more regulation as a rallying point of their entire political belief system. Many do, but it's not anywhere close to the monolithic wall of semi religious fervent belief system of the right.
Don't bother to pull a piggy and claim that because I'm not a card carrying right wingnut I'm a flaming liberal. I was a registered republic for 30 years (registered as independent the day we invaded Iraq) and worked for ford's and reagans campaigns. I have watched the post gingrich/rove party turn into nothing but a vehicle for the ultra rich to become richer totally devoid of any leadership or ideas other than returning to the guilded age. Sad. I do have serious admiration for the ability to get so many people to support positions that will actually be detrimental to them. The majority of trump voters would be devastated by trump's polices if they were enacted. The god/guns/big government/white people gambit is brilliant marketing.
bob2356 saysThere are only 2 sides?
Yes when boiled down to the straw-man level, we either have more or less regulation. In this oversimplified talking point no one ever discusses good vs bad regulations, just more vs less.
Perfect, you made by point. The vast majority of mindless followers of the libertarian cult simply believe less is always better because all regulations are bad. Find one single example in any of the conservative press that supports any type of regulation as good or supports any kind of regulation at all. Go ahead, go for it. The only exception is social issues where the religious/authoritarian sub cult wants to run everyones life taliban style. The libertarian money people don't care about this, but they encourage it as a rallying point to keep the two basically incompatible groups, the libertarian/anti government and religious/authoritarian, working together. That is fracturing right now with the bannon/trump vs main stream republican. split
I don't see the so called MSM (although I don't read a lot of MSM) calling day in and day out for more regulation or the majority of people identifying themselves as liberals calling for more and more regulation as a rallying point of their entire political belief system. Many do, but it's not anywhere close to the monolithic wall of semi religious fervent belief system of the right.
Don't bother to pull a piggy and claim that because I'm not a card carrying right wingnut I'm a flaming liberal. I was a registered republic for 30 years (registered as independent the day we invaded Iraq) and worked for ford's and reagans campaigns. I have watched the post gingrich/rove party turn into nothing but a vehicle for the ultra rich to become richer totally devoid of any leadership or ideas other than returning to the guilded age. Sad. I do have serious admiration for the ability to get so many people to support positions that will actually be detrimental to them. The majority of trump voters would be devastated by trump's polices if they were enacted. The god/guns/big government/white people gambit is brilliant marketing.
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socal2
2017 Oct 30, 11:05am
bob2356 says
Here is your entire paragraph.
bob2356 says
You flat out say that we think "Regulations bad" and we "Must get rid of regulations".
Then you go on to insinuate that we would prefer to breath dirty air, drink dirty water, eat steak with shit in it, run sweat-shop factories and be knee deep in toxic chemicals. You even found a way to lump in the Prog's biggest bogeymen (KOCH BROS!!!) into your rant.
You can't paint a bigger caricature.
More misdirection and/or poor reading comprehension. Where did I say libertarians want all regulations gone and no government? Show me where the word ALL is in my entire comment? Anywhere? Go ahead post where the word ALL is from any of my comments. Here let's look at the instant replay.
Here is your entire paragraph.
bob2356 says
Look at our resident trumptard libertarian zombies. Regulations bad. Must get rid of regulations. The trumptards breath clean air, drink clean water, eat steak without cow shit in it, don't work 15 hours a day alongside their young children in a firetrap factory with the doors chained shut, don't die of black lung at 40, don't work all day knee deep in toxic chemicals with no protection then have their employer falsify the records (the koch bros almost went to jail for that one until intervention of their senator got the case dropped), have to move because the entire town was so polluted it's not habitable (koch bro's again) , Yep, you guys are perfectly willing to enjoy the benefits of regulations every single day. Ever actually stop to think about what regulations the libertarians actually want gone while you are crying that regulations are bad? Nope, not a clue. Just regulations bad. Hint, it won't be things like how wide the isle in the grocery store must be. It will be things ...
You flat out say that we think "Regulations bad" and we "Must get rid of regulations".
Then you go on to insinuate that we would prefer to breath dirty air, drink dirty water, eat steak with shit in it, run sweat-shop factories and be knee deep in toxic chemicals. You even found a way to lump in the Prog's biggest bogeymen (KOCH BROS!!!) into your rant.
You can't paint a bigger caricature.
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