patrick.net
An Antidote to Corporate Media
1,201,784 comments by 14,253 users - askmeaboutthesaltporkcure, Blue, GNL, goofus online now
Senate bill is looking pretty good for us now....
invite response
2017 Dec 2, 8:39am 21,252 views 113 comments
« First « Previous Comments 99 - 113 of 113 Search these comments
99
Goran_K
2017 Dec 6, 4:37pm
Goran_K
2017 Dec 6, 4:37pm
Rew says
The asking for facts part was fine, the "anyone who thinks this is very naïve or purposely disingenuous, I'll let others judge which you are" is a personal attack.
Rules are pretty simple to follow IMO.
So an accusation that you are misinformed or have some other overriding belief/agenda is jail worthy?
Or was it the part where Happy asked you to back up your claims with sources? :)
The asking for facts part was fine, the "anyone who thinks this is very naïve or purposely disingenuous, I'll let others judge which you are" is a personal attack.
Rules are pretty simple to follow IMO.
101
Rew
2017 Dec 6, 4:45pm
Rew
2017 Dec 6, 4:45pm
Goran_K says
Anyone eligible to vote has a voice on anything up for debate.
Or shall we apply your logic out further to abortion and birth control?
She, the "zero tax payer" (who I guarantee is paying taxes of some form) absolutely gets a say. It influences all the people, community, and culture around her. (edit: I missed the big one, "It's the economy stupid". (disclaimer, that's an actual quote, not a slight at Moderator in Chief Goran))
They don't let 10 year olds vote on laws or vote for politicians.
Anyone eligible to vote has a voice on anything up for debate.
Or shall we apply your logic out further to abortion and birth control?
She, the "zero tax payer" (who I guarantee is paying taxes of some form) absolutely gets a say. It influences all the people, community, and culture around her. (edit: I missed the big one, "It's the economy stupid". (disclaimer, that's an actual quote, not a slight at Moderator in Chief Goran))
102
Goran_K
2017 Dec 6, 5:06pm
Goran_K
2017 Dec 6, 5:06pm
HappyGilmore says
Sure.
But I'm talking on a purely water cooler level. Does it seem fair that people who contribute nothing to the system get to vote on how money is spent? Seems pretty unfair.
Because of the Constitution? Ever heard of it?
Sure.
But I'm talking on a purely water cooler level. Does it seem fair that people who contribute nothing to the system get to vote on how money is spent? Seems pretty unfair.
103
Goran_K
2017 Dec 6, 5:07pm
Goran_K
2017 Dec 6, 5:07pm
Rew says
Sure, I've always agreed that women have a right to kill their babies. I've only ever argued with the pseudo-science claim that it's "not a baby, just a clump of cells".
Anyone eligible to vote has a voice on anything up for debate.
Or shall we apply your logic out further to abortion and birth control?
She, the "zero tax payer" (who I guarantee is paying taxes of some form) absolutely gets a say. It influences all the people, community, and culture around her. (edit: I missed the big one, "It's the economy stupid". (disclaimer, that's an actual quote, not a slight at Moderator in Chief Goran))
Sure, I've always agreed that women have a right to kill their babies. I've only ever argued with the pseudo-science claim that it's "not a baby, just a clump of cells".
104
RWSGFY
2017 Dec 6, 5:15pm
RWSGFY
2017 Dec 6, 5:15pm
Rew says
And everybody else can give their assessment regarding the value of her opinion.
Goran_K saysThey don't let 10 year olds vote on laws or vote for politicians.
Anyone eligible to vote has a voice on anything up for debate.
And everybody else can give their assessment regarding the value of her opinion.
105
anonymous
2017 Dec 6, 9:05pm
@Patrick,
It looks like this Goran guy is running rampant censoring people left and right... to the point that the jailed comments are now more interesting to read. Not good for the site.
FP
It looks like this Goran guy is running rampant censoring people left and right... to the point that the jailed comments are now more interesting to read. Not good for the site.
FP
106
Patrick
2017 Dec 6, 9:07pm
Patrick
2017 Dec 6, 9:07pm
I disagree. Maybe there are a few edge cases that are hard to classify, but think Goran is very fair.
Note that you can now actually see which user jailed any comment in jail. It's in the header line of the comment.
Note that you can now actually see which user jailed any comment in jail. It's in the header line of the comment.
107
Rew
2017 Dec 6, 9:29pm
Rew
2017 Dec 6, 9:29pm
anon_c8b23 says
I noticed some fascinating reads there as well.
KimJongUn says
Absolutely, but she still gets to vote, and you can never take that away because she is poor, or doesn't pay to be able to vote.
I know less fortunate people than I, who are far better with money than I am, because they have to be. I want their opinions and votes on taxes, far more than I want some trust fund baby's voice anywhere near government.
Goran_K says
And so your argument is what, you have to pay taxes to be able to vote? How much do you have to pay? What's the threshold? Do you get more than one vote if you pay more?
Do you have to pay taxes to be able to ... oh, I dunno ... be President too?
What about run for any office?
I don't think a Plutocracy is what is intended for the US, and I think your ideas would poll in single digits with the American public.
The Dems are elitist? Hah!
... to the point that the jailed comments are now more interesting to read. Not good for the site.
I noticed some fascinating reads there as well.
KimJongUn says
And everybody else can give their assessment regarding the value of her opinion.
Absolutely, but she still gets to vote, and you can never take that away because she is poor, or doesn't pay to be able to vote.
I know less fortunate people than I, who are far better with money than I am, because they have to be. I want their opinions and votes on taxes, far more than I want some trust fund baby's voice anywhere near government.
Goran_K says
Sure, I've always agreed that women have a right to kill their babies.
And so your argument is what, you have to pay taxes to be able to vote? How much do you have to pay? What's the threshold? Do you get more than one vote if you pay more?
Do you have to pay taxes to be able to ... oh, I dunno ... be President too?
What about run for any office?
I don't think a Plutocracy is what is intended for the US, and I think your ideas would poll in single digits with the American public.
The Dems are elitist? Hah!
108
LeonDurham
2017 Dec 9, 11:52am
Goran_K says
Just quoting this to show Goran's complete bias.
ou were lying when you said "Goran proposed eliminating college loans." This isn't an opinion, it's a fact, you lied.
Just quoting this to show Goran's complete bias.
109
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2017 Dec 9, 12:02pm
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2017 Dec 9, 12:02pm
LeonDurham says
What is this supposed to prove?
Is there a poster here who is not biased?
Goran_K saysou were lying when you said "Goran proposed eliminating college loans." This isn't an opinion, it's a fact, you lied.
Just quoting this to show Goran's complete bias.
What is this supposed to prove?
Is there a poster here who is not biased?
110
RWSGFY
2017 Dec 9, 1:03pm
RWSGFY
2017 Dec 9, 1:03pm
LeonDurham says
Go open a special thread about moderation and another one about Goran's moral flaws. Stop shitting in this thread.
Goran_K saysou were lying when you said "Goran proposed eliminating college loans." This isn't an opinion, it's a fact, you lied.
Just quoting this to show Goran's complete bias.
Go open a special thread about moderation and another one about Goran's moral flaws. Stop shitting in this thread.
111
anonymous
2017 Dec 9, 3:12pm
KimJongUn says
Fair enough. I will do it.
Go open a special thread about moderation and another one about Goran's moral flaws. Stop shitting in this thread.
Fair enough. I will do it.
112
bob2356
2017 Dec 9, 5:14pm
Goran_K says
I wasn't aware we had switched to a referendum system for the federal budget. I didn't get the memo. As far as I knew no one but congress gets to vote how the money is spent, although lobbyists get to write a lot of stuff in to be voted on. People get to vote for their representatives to congress. Something all American citizens SHOULD know.
How can anyone contribute nothing? That's absurd. They pay fica, they buy things from business that pay taxes, they pay fees, they pay sales taxes, they pay property taxes, gasoline taxes, etc., etc..
HappyGilmore saysBecause of the Constitution? Ever heard of it?
Sure.
But I'm talking on a purely water cooler level. Does it seem fair that people who contribute nothing to the system get to vote on how money is spent? Seems pretty unfair.
I wasn't aware we had switched to a referendum system for the federal budget. I didn't get the memo. As far as I knew no one but congress gets to vote how the money is spent, although lobbyists get to write a lot of stuff in to be voted on. People get to vote for their representatives to congress. Something all American citizens SHOULD know.
How can anyone contribute nothing? That's absurd. They pay fica, they buy things from business that pay taxes, they pay fees, they pay sales taxes, they pay property taxes, gasoline taxes, etc., etc..
113
MrMagic
2017 Dec 9, 5:56pm
MrMagic
2017 Dec 9, 5:56pm
bob2356 says
The whole discussion on the tax bills concerns FEDERAL taxes, not all the other taxes. It would be beneficial to read and not to jump in at the end of a thread.
How can anyone contribute nothing? That's absurd. They pay fica, they buy things from business that pay taxes, they pay fees, they pay sales taxes, they pay property taxes, gasoline taxes, etc., etc..
The whole discussion on the tax bills concerns FEDERAL taxes, not all the other taxes. It would be beneficial to read and not to jump in at the end of a thread.
« First « Previous Comments 99 - 113 of 113 Search these comments
Hopefully the house passes this thing with minimal changes since the property tax deduction survived. The house bill was horrible for upper middle class earners in blue states. This softens the blow. There’s about a $3000 difference now between the senate and house bills for us.
It’s still stupid all these tax changes and it’s basically a wash for our family all said and done. Just glad we didn’t stretch and buy a really expensive house.... those people in our income level are getting screwed if they can’t combine those interest payments with SALT for a fat deduction.