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When the Sheriff's Office has been called 39 times, you've been expelled from the school, you're in an alternative school for high risk kids, you've said you heard voices, the FBI knows about you, kids think you're a serial killer candidate and guess who the shooter was before it was on the news, and the huge campus had instrux not to allow in while wearing backpack...

... and it still happened despite overwhelming notice of past trouble and violence and worse to come...

Blame Guns.

anon_20a16 says

Sniper says

Case in point, how many mass shootings have there been at police stations or gun ranges?

Or military bases, and armed forces work places ... OOOoops!

Oops...in both of those locations, the people that were shot were unarmed.. guns weren't allowed

Those pesky FACTS again.

anon_20a16 says

The presence of guns is not deterring anyone from committing shootings.

That's why those locations you mentioned had shootings, the victims weren't armed....

Next...

anon_aa28a says

Yes, as well all know, these deranged shooters are well trained Navy SEALS and know exactly how to hunt down the armed guards.

You don't need to be a Navy Seal to take out Paul Blart.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

When the Sheriff's Office has been called 39 times, you've been expelled from the school, you're in an alternative school for high risk kids, you've said you heard voices, the FBI knows about you, kids think you're a serial killer candidate and guess who the shooter was before it was on the news, and the huge campus had instrux not to allow in while wearing backpack...

... and it still happened despite overwhelming notice of past trouble and violence and worse to come...

Blame Guns.

Are you suggesting that Americans are fucking morons?

FP says

Are you suggesting that Americans are fucking morons?

The ones with mental illness are.

The reason we have so many crazies that are running loose is because the ACLU and others sued like crazy in the 70s to free the mentally ill and changed the policies and the laws regarding forcible incarceration; now it's almost impossible to take a Cruz off the Street without them committing a violent crime first.

anon_20a16 says

anon_aa28a says

Don't know, please fill us in on the total count?

They come in both armed and unarmed flavor at Mandalay bay.

Do unarmed guards usually go head to head with gunman?

anon_20a16 says

1st casualty of the Vegas mass shooting was ... ding ding ... a guard ...

It's a good thing he was armed and was able to stop Paddock.

Oh wait, he wasn't armed... so sad.

anon_20a16 says

... and Paddock stopped shooting well before any armed opposition got near his room. He took his own life.

and you know that how? Were you there in the room with him?


anon_20a16 says

. Mass shooters choose places where people meet in mass not places that are "gun free".

Really, so San Bernardino, the Colorado theater, Sandy hook school, Las Vegas, Parkview school, the Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Virginia Tech, Sutherland Springs Church, Ft. Hood, Columbine, Charleston Church, etc. all had plenty of people with guns on them when the shooter opened fire?

Please stop with your nonsense.

Dawkins:

"There there, I do understand, taking away your guns is like taking away your Comfort Blanky. You’ll feel bereaved. Tell you what, though. We know how to deal with bereavement. We’ll send you our thoughts and prayers. Then you’ll feel better."

The FBI is incompetent. Warned weeks ago by a tip from somebody who found the kids' videos, looked into it, decided it was a threat, failed to notify local authorities or do any thing else.

Remember the FBI team that was sleeping when the Jihadi they were tracking went to the airport and left the country as they snoozed in their stake-out car?

TwoScoopsPlissken says

The FBI is incompetent. Warned weeks ago by a tip from somebody who found the kids' videos, looked into it, decided it was a threat, failed to notify local authorities or do any thing else.

Wow--nothing like politicizing a mass school shooting. Let's make it about the evil FBI! Great idea!

TwoScoopsPlissken says

The FBI is incompetent. Warned weeks ago by a tip from somebody who found the kids' videos, looked into it, decided it was a threat, failed to notify local authorities or do any thing else.

https://nypost.com/2018/02/16/fbi-failed-to-investigate-tip-on-school-shooter-last-month/

anon_8f378 says

Let's make it about the evil FBI! Great idea!

Yep, that evil FBI

Not following up on a credible threat. How dare we criticize them.

The blood of all those dead people is on the FBI's hands.

"Hello, FBI, there's this crazy kid who is planning to shoot up a school, talking about he's gonna be a professional school shooter!"
"Fuck off, we're still working on trying to find evidence of Trump-Russia Collusion."

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Blame Guns.

Absolutely, specially AR-15's, they should be totally banned.

Let's look at some facts:

There are approximately 5 million AR-15's in the country. Over the last 10 years, they have been used in 10 mass shootings.

So, that averages a AR-15 involved 1 out of 5,000,000 times a year in a mass shooting.

Hmmm, doesn't sound like a epidemic.

Let's look at cars:

There are approximately 268 million cars in the country. 40,000 people die in car accidents each year.

Hmmm, what's killing more people?

Why aren't Dems calling for a ban on cars yet?

TwoScoopsPlissken says

The FBI is incompetent. Warned weeks ago by a tip from somebody who found the kids' videos, looked into it, decided it was a threat, failed to notify local authorities or do any thing else.

Remember the FBI team that was sleeping when the Jihadi they were tracking went to the airport and left the country as they snoozed in their stake-out car?

So which LEO are competent?

Once the Keep Brown Niggers South Wall is constructed, why would anyone think those who are tasked to man the wall will be more competent than the FBI types?

This is a Family Guy reference:

Illegal aliens kill more Americans than school shootings.

zzyzzx says

Illegal aliens kill more Americans than school shootings.

Drunk drivers kill an order of magnitude more than both combined.

Where’s the outrage?

errc says

Drunk drivers kill an order of magnitude more than both combined.

zzyzzx says

Illegal aliens kill more Americans than school shootings.

Illegal Immigrants don't drive drunk?

We all know how militant the Mexican School System, Police and Government generally are about Drunk Driving.

Tim Aurora says

Why do you want to muddy the water with a separate topic.

Because Liberals have a ONE track mind, and only want to blame the gun, and not all the other dots that connect the situation. It's the other dots that are the biggest issue, not the guns.

Why do the liberals ONLY focus on the AR-15's?

Pointing out the hypocrisy with other areas where people die in larger numbers but that just doesn't seem to matter to the Libbies.

Make LEO requirements meet the same intellect level as college graduate with a BS in anything but liberal arts.
Then pay them accordingly, with a 50k-100k annual kicker added for risking their lives. (desk jockeys don't get this)
Most LEO requirements education wise are high school diploma or GED.
Bottom line: you get what you pay for...

Education Requirement
Most agencies expect officers to have a high school diploma or GED at a minimum. Some agencies require a bachelor’s degree or a minimum number of college credit hours. Others offer additional pay based on educational attainment. Regardless, education beyond high school will only help you in your law enforcement career. Having a four-year degree or an advanced degree is an asset in your career progression, particularly when seeking a promotion or specialized assignment.
errc says

So which LEO are competent?

Booger says

This is a Family Guy reference:

I think you took a leftist meme intended to be sarcastic, and ran with it without the sarcasm.

Education has nothing to do with cowardice.

Our soldiers are brave, yet our police are cowards. Because unions, and system rewarding doing the minimum under the radar.

BlueSardine says

Make LEO requirements meet the same intellect level as college graduate with a BS in anything but liberal arts.
Then pay them accordingly, with a 50k-100k annual kicker added for risking their lives. (desk jockeys don't get this)
Most LEO requirements education wise are high school diploma or GED.
Bottom line: you get what you pay for...

Education Requirement
Most agencies expect officers to have a high school diploma or GED at a minimum. Some agencies require a bachelor’s degree or a minimum number of college credit hours. Others offer additional pay based on educational attainment. Regardless, education beyond high school will only help you in your law enforcement career. Having a four-year degree or an advanced degree is an asset in your career progression, particularly when seeking a promotion or specialized assignment.
errc says

So which LEO are competent?

TwoScoopsPlissken says

... and it still happened despite overwhelming notice of past trouble and violence and worse to come...

Blame Guns.

Accused Florida School Shooter Refused Special Services.

PARKLAND (CBSMiami/AP) — Nikolas Cruz, the self-confessed Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooter refused to let the district continue providing him with mental health services after he turned 18 and the superintendent of schools says federal law kept them from doing anything about it.

Broward Schools Superintendent Robert Runcie tells the Sun Sentinel “You can’t make someone do something when the law says they have the right to make that determination.”

Cruz, now 19, is accused of killing 17 people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School on Valentine’s Day.

Runcie says Cruz had attended a school with programs for emotionally and disabled students, and returned to Douglas in August 2016. By November, he says the “situation had deteriorated.” With the support of his mother, Cruz refused special needs services and remained at the school until February 2017.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2018/02/27/accused-florida-school-shooter-refused-special-services/

anon_cf6c6 says

says federal law kept them from doing anything about it.

Yep. Read all my recent posts where I complain about the Left changing forcible hospitalization laws because of a fictional movie character and an incorrect Scots Schizo theorist in a Moral Panic Fed by "Settled Science" that mental illness is best cured with freedom. Putting people who are a clear danger to themselves as well as mildly depressed people alike, let 'em all out! Fly my winged beauties! Fly to Freedom!

However, did federal law also keep LEOs or State/County agencies besides the school from doing something? Apparently Cruz called 911 begging for help which resulted in a LEO visit which resulted in nothing. And on February 5th a woman called the Authorities warning he was about to completely lose his shit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5433695/Florida-school-shooter-called-cops-mom-died.html

Suddenly, Nothing Happened.

Also his mother died just a few weeks before the shooting, when he apparently called begging for help.

If this was 1960, and a Sheriff's Deputy encountered Cruz, he's be off to...
www.youtube.com/embed/3iDl2zwF8TM

BTW, now it's coming out that Sheriff Broward Coward told the LEOs on the scene under his department to not go into the school.

Authorities have acknowledged they underestimated many warning signs that Cruz was a deeply troubled kid. They were aware of his disturbing social media posts and social services visited his home several times.

There were dozens of calls to police with several people fearing he was capable of violence and murder.

On November 29 family friend Rocxanne Deschamps, who was looking after Cruz after his mother Lynda died in early November, told the dispatcher that Cruz already had about eight guns that he kept at a friend's house.

In the voice recording Deschamps can be heard telling police 'all he cares about is his gun,' reported the NY Times.

In another call to police she said 'It's not the first time he put a gun on somebody's head,' she also said that he once did that to his mother.

Deschamps has refused to comment and her lawyer has not responded to phone messages and emails.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5433695/Florida-school-shooter-called-cops-mom-died.html#ixzz58M5n6gyY
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It wasn't one warning, it was dozens, and it wasn't just the school authorities, but Law Enforcement as well.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

It wasn't one warning, it was dozens, and it wasn't just the school authorities, but Law Enforcement as well.

See, if we just passed one more "common sense gun law" (on top of the existing 20,000) or banned AR-15s, none of those past screw-ups by the cops or mental health professionals would have happened and all the 17 children would be alive. Never mind the TONS of red flags and warnings, they aren't important.

See how Liberal logic works?

anon_cf6c6 says

See how Liberal logic works?

Sniper says

See how Liberal logic works?

You forgot PARENTS FAILED.

The Parents were dead, in fact the mother just died a few weeks before the shooting.

That kids was acting out, begging for help controlling himself, and even neghbors and people from the internet went out of their way to notify the authorities, and yet it still happened.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

The Parents were dead, in fact the mother just died a few weeks before the shooting.

That kids was acting out, begging for help controlling himself, and even neghbors and people from the internet went out of their way to notify the authorities, and yet it still happened.

For those that have parents the dad needs to tune in once in a while with some tough and rough love and tell the kid that life's not fair and society is not responsible for your bad feewings. Suck it up, man up, go work out, go into nature, have fun, be a man, don't hide behind muh feewings and assault rifles Live, work out, hunt, fuck and be responsible for your own destiny. Don't blame society. Don't listen to the lefty soy-boy sirens, there is no privilege, only what you make out of your life and Zuul.

mell says

TwoScoopsPlissken says

The Parents were dead, in fact the mother just died a few weeks before the shooting.

That kids was acting out, begging for help controlling himself, and even neghbors and people from the internet went out of their way to notify the authorities, and yet it still happened.

For those that have parents the dad needs to tune in once in a while with some tough and rough love and tell the kid that life's not fair and society is not responsible for your bad feewings. Suck it up, man up, go work out, go into nature, have fun, be a man, don't hide behind muh feewings and assault rifles Live, work out, hunt, fuck and be responsible for your own destiny. Don't blame society. Don't listen to the lefty soy-boy sirens, there is no privilege, only what you make out of your life and Zuul.

You forgot the most important thing. Don’t fall victim to the hucksters that run the Churches that they use to weaponize the simpletons they capture as vessels to destroy America