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Why is it difficult for leftists to make points w/o attacking others?

By CBOEtrader following x   2018 Mar 19, 8:38am 15,724 views   287 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


My theory is that superiority is built into the identity of the left.

Accusing others of being child killers for disagreeing about gun rights -OR- suggesting disagreement can only stem from ignorance or racism or both. This form of bigotry is so deeply rooted into the psyche of the left that it becomes almost impossible to discuss a political topic w/o letting these direct personal attacks slip.

Our forum has become an interesting case study in the leftists psychology. It is the product of $billions worth of propaganda blasting soft minds with news, and nonstop Hollywood bigotry against wrongthink. The Nazi's would be jealous of the righteousness seen in today's left, and even more jealous of the glee with which the left today enacts its fascist, anti-wrongthink agenda

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248   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 20, 7:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

drB6 says
FP says
drB6 says<
In many poorer E. European countries murder rates are actually pretty high


Many? I'm pretty sure that all of the EU Eastern European countries has much lower rate than the US.


They have more homogeneous populations and in many (not most) cases less unequal income distributions. EU East European countries are not poor in grand scheme of things. Former Soviet Union has similar or higher murder rates than US of A, with Russia being worst.


1. I gave Eastern European countries as an example of relatively (to the US) poor countries, which they are. Income inequality, depending how is measured, is not much off.

2. Former Soviet Union? Which countries are you talking about apart from Russsia? A few are in EU, a few others have lower gun homocide rates, for a few there's no data, a few have/had civil wars. A lot of the gun violence in that region is also organized-crime related.

3. Yes, the US is unique in many ways, but one can look at the trend among many countries (not only between the US and country X):

http://ritholtz.com/2017/10/gun-ownership-vs-gun-deaths/

The correlation is clear. And yes, it is not perfect because other factors are in play. But why refuse to acknowledge and address the most obvious one?
249   FortWayne   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 20, 9:05pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Can’t you all just get along?
250   marcus   ignore (3)   2018 Mar 20, 9:32pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Today's progressives would have been Nazi's FOR SURE. Group think idiocy always leads to tyranny.


You have a truly wonderful understanding of Nazism and Hitler. I love your objectivity.


Hitler's political beliefs drew heavily upon social Darwinism—the view that natural selection applies as much to human society as it does to biological organisms.[101] Hitler believed that history was shaped by a violent struggle between nations and races; and that a nation needed to be united under a strong, centralized state led by an heroic leader in order to succeed in this struggle and that individuals within a nation battled with each other for survival; and that such ruthless competition was good for the health of the nation because it promoted "superior individuals" to higher positions in society.[102]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism
The truth is that the Nazis didn't have an economic policy, and Hitler considered that a feature and not a bug. And yet the Nazis were ultimately corporatists. German corporatations had a lot of influence on Nazis, and not the other way around. He used the word socialist, but specifically said that it was nothing like marxist socialism.

You know this, but say what you say becasue of an apparent need to conflate progressives with Nazis, while simultaneously lecturing progressives on their tendencies toward name calling.

Wtf ?
251   marcus   ignore (3)   2018 Mar 20, 9:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

IF anything progressives these days might be accused of celebrating diversity and are quite at peace with the imminent loss of white dominance in our culture.

Yes. That sounds just like Hitler. Is that the general idea behind what he was going for with his talk of the purity and superiority of the Aryan race ?


The ideology of Nazism was based upon the conception of the ancient Aryan race being a superior race, holding the highest position in the racial hierarchy and that the Germanic peoples were the most racially pure existing peoples of Aryan stock.[33] The Nazi conception of the Aryan race arose from earlier proponents of a supremacist conception of the race as described by racial theorist figures such as Arthur de Gobineau and Houston Stewart Chamberlain.[34]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race
252   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 20, 9:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
IF anything progressives these days might be accused of celebrating diversity and are quite at peace with the imminent loss of white dominance in our culture.


IF anything Nazis might be accused of celebrating Germans and are quite at peace with the imminent loss of Jewish dominance in our culture.
253   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 20, 9:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Yes. That sounds just like Hitler.
we agree.
254   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 21, 6:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Ok. Try to explain the difference between socialism, and the rebranded Democratic socialism. (There is none.)


No problem. There is a HUGE difference and I'll detail it here for you.

Socialism is public or government ownership of means of production. Democratic Socialism is privately owned means of production.

It is apples and oranges.
255   marcus   ignore (3)   2018 Mar 21, 7:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
marcus says
IF anything progressives these days might be accused of celebrating diversity and are quite at peace with the imminent loss of white dominance in our culture.


IF anything Nazis might be accused of celebrating Germans and are quite at peace with the imminent loss of Jewish dominance in our culture.


Wait, what ?
256   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 21, 8:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HappyGilmore says
CBOEtrader says
Ok. Try to explain the difference between socialism, and the rebranded Democratic socialism. (There is none.)


No problem. There is a HUGE difference and I'll detail it here for you.

Socialism is public or government ownership of means of production. Democratic Socialism is privately owned means of production.

It is apples and oranges.


Fact, rightests are too fucking stupid to understand this.
257   PrivilegedtobeWhite   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 21, 8:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

RafiMaas says
Fact, rightests are too fucking stupid to understand this.
Nah, we just don't care.
258   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 21, 8:15am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP_ex says
Which countries are you talking about apart from Russsia?

Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus
259   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 21, 8:18am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP_ex says
Yes, the US is unique in many ways, but one can look at the trend among many countries (not only between the US and country X):

http://ritholtz.com/2017/10/gun-ownership-vs-gun-deaths/

The correlation is clear. And yes, it is not perfect because other factors are in play. But why refuse to acknowledge and address the most obvious one?

I'd say that it should not be gun deaths, it should be gun murders. The correlation might look different. Furthermore, the fact that some idiots kill people while driving drunk or texting while driving does not mean that we should prohibit alcohol or cellphones.
260   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 21, 9:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HappyGilmore says
It is apples and oranges.


Ah ok, so socialism is the failed real world approach. Democratic socialism is a dream that leftists have about "real socialism". Its the "I would never be like Mao if i were in charge" narcassistic fantasy.There is no functional difference. It's all forced collectivism at the barrel of a gun. Take wrong thinkers to the gulags
261   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 21, 9:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Wait, what ?


You are fixated on the fact that a different group of victim mentality assholes is oppressing a different target demographic, and suggesting that means Nazi's and progressives are different.

I am pointing out that Nazi's and progressives are almost identical, right down to the words they use to describe the outgroup.
262   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 21, 9:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Ah ok, so socialism is the failed real world approach. Democratic socialism is a dream that leftists have about "real socialism"


Please explain which means of production leftist want to make publicly owned?
263   dr6B   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 21, 9:13am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

T2 says
drB6, I will not be replying to your comments. Nor will I engage in any meaningful discussions on this site any more, for obvious reasons.
FP

Was not my intention to offend you in any way.
264   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 21, 9:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

drB6 says
I'd say that it should not be gun deaths, it should be gun murders


Gun "deaths" is a stat only used by liars or the ignorant. Gun murders is better, but the most relevant stat is violent crime rate per capita.
265   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 21, 9:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

RafiMaas says
Please explain which means of production leftist want to make publicly owned?


Education, banking, healthcare, energy, food, and housing are the big ones.

Yes, leftist are totes cool w less regulated private frisbee making companies.
266   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 21, 9:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
RafiMaas says
Please explain which means of production leftist want to make publicly owned?


Education, banking, healthcare, energy, food, and housing are the big ones.


Education? Trying to? Too much, I rest my case.

Going down this argument with someone who says they deal with facts but then chooses not to get all the facts... No thank you.
267   Malcolm   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 21, 9:46am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says



There was some serious growth in Germany at the beginning. I'm not sure modern liberals would like Hitler, as he didn't like racial integration and he was imperialistic. I am starting to notice that liberals are becoming more authoritarian with the PC. However, there some interesting points that build on my ideal of a basic minimum income with a market based economy, and governments doing a part in encouraging commerce.
268   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 21, 10:03am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Leftism in a nutshell.
269   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 21, 10:04am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

RafiMaas says
Trying to? Too much, I rest my case.
english?

Try using grammar others can understand.

RafiMaas says
Education


Education is the most important industry for any collectivist authoritarian to control. See the "dear colleague" letter as an example. Or refer to my other thread wherein wrongthinking teachers and deploreables are removed from school so as to purify the environment. Progressives = nazis
270   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 21, 10:10am   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
Leftism in a nutshell.


If the waitress was white, then she deserved it. If she is straight she double deserves it. If she supports Trump, she triple deserves it.

Also, you can't blame the poor blacks, history of slavery and all.

In fact, simply posting this is racist. You are either a russian bot or a white supremecist. The federal dept of diversity and inclusion requires you come in for questioning.
271   bob2356   ignore (3)   2018 Mar 21, 10:15am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says


Education is the most important industry for any collectivist authoritarian to control


Wrong, the press is the most important industry for any collective authoritarian to control.
272   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 21, 10:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
CBOEtrader says


Education is the most important industry for any collectivist authoritarian to control


Wrong, the press is the most important industry for any collective authoritarian to control.


Great point.
273   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 21, 11:00am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Wrong, the press is the most important industry for any collective authoritarian to control.


Which is why Monopolist Oligarchs like Carlos Slim (Mexican Phones) and Jeff Bezos (Internet Commerce) like to own them.
274   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 21, 11:03am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP_ex says
http://ritholtz.com/2017/10/gun-ownership-vs-gun-deaths/

The correlation is clear. And yes, it is not perfect because other factors are in play.


Nope, no correlation because Lefties want to group suicides and homicides into the same group. That's like comparing apples to army tanks.

FP_ex says
But why refuse to acknowledge and address the most obvious one?


Good point, why don't Lefties address the bigger issue of the two, suicides? Twice as many people kill THEMSELVES with a gun versus shooting OTHERS with a gun. Why is that fact overlooked by the Lefties? Isn't killing yourself an issue with mental illness versus a gun issue??

But, if we only had "common sense gun laws", expanded background checks and ban AR15's , people wouldn't commit suicide, right?
275   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 21, 11:07am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Pretty Tough to Commit suicide with an AR-15.
276   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 21, 11:25am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Good point, why don't Lefties address the bigger issue of the two, suicides? Twice as many people kill THEMSELVES with a gun versus shooting OTHERS with a gun. Why is that fact overlooked by the Lefties? Isn't killing yourself an issue with mental illness versus a gun issue??

But, if we only had "common sense gun laws", expanded background checks and ban AR15's , people wouldn't commit suicide, right?


If you remove suicides, and the top 10 gun homicide cities from the statistics (all of which are Democrat controlled), the national gun homicide rate becomes minuscule.
277   RC2006   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 21, 11:53am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

More unstable people on the left.
If Hillary had won republitards wouldn't be doing this, who crys over this shit?
278   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 21, 11:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
If you remove suicides, and the top 10 gun homicide cities from the statistics (all of which are Democrat controlled), the national gun homicide rate becomes minuscule.


Now you went and did it. Spreading those FACTS again.

How can the gun grabbers complete their mission, when you blow up their narratives?

You're so mean! :)
279   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 21, 12:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says

Ah ok, so socialism is the failed real world approach. Democratic socialism is a dream that leftists have about "real socialism". Its the "I would never be like Mao if i were in charge" narcassistic fantasy.There is no functional difference. It's all forced collectivism at the barrel of a gun. Take wrong thinkers to the gulags


No, wrong again. Socialism has an actual definition that I shared with you. Sanders does not advocate for government ownership of all means of production. His platform is vastly different than Socialism.

The functional difference is ENORMOUS. It's impossible for me to imagine that anyone would think they are the same.
280   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 22, 10:53am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

drB6 says
Was not my intention to offend you in any way.


You did not. We are cool.
281   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Mar 22, 3:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
FP_ex says
http://ritholtz.com/2017/10/gun-ownership-vs-gun-deaths/

The correlation is clear. And yes, it is not perfect because other factors are in play.


Nope, no correlation because Lefties want to group suicides and homicides into the same group. That's like comparing apples to army tanks.

FP_ex says
But why refuse to acknowledge and address the most obvious one?


Good point, why don't Lefties address the bigger issue of the two, suicides? Twice as many people kill THEMSELVES with a gun versus shooting OTHERS with a gun. Why is that fact overlooked by the Lefties? Isn't killing yourself an issue with mental illness versus a gun issue??

But, if we only had "common sense gun laws", expanded background checks and ba...


Lefties seem like the only ones actually willing to deal with suicides in reality.

See Liberals Right to Die laws in Colorado etc
282   bob2356   ignore (3)   2018 Mar 22, 3:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says

If you remove suicides, and the top 10 gun homicide cities from the statistics (all of which are Democrat controlled), the national gun homicide rate becomes minuscule.


and the top 10 gun homicide states? all republican controlled. What about that? How do highly populated states like NY,MA,NJ have less homicides, actual homicides not rate, than shitholes like AL, LA, MS, TN where not nearly as many people live?
283   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 22, 4:01pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

And St.Louis, Baltimore, New Orleans, DC, Chicago, Detroit?

It's pretty clear that what drives the homicide rate is a certain demographic that is 13% of the population but more than 50% of all homicides.
284   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 22, 4:10pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Here's an example, the New York City Homicide Rate.

It tends to cluster in certain neighborhoods.



Park Slope, Bay Ridge, Upper East Side, Flushing... low murder.
Brownsville, Flat Bush, East Harlem, Jamaica... high murder.



Interestingly, Brownsville has the worst homicide rate in NYC. There would be about a half-dozen neighborhoods equally bad or worse in Chicago. When was the last time Chicago had a Republican Mayor? 1931.
285   TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 22, 4:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I wonder what Lousiana's Murder Rate would be without New Orleans, Shrevesport, and the 3 Black Majority Parishes in the Northeast. Probably a lot lower.

6.5% of the population - commits more than half the murder (assuming half of blacks are male, but that might be an overstatement due to the numbers in prison and killed from all causes).

We should talk about banning Nigrish Behavior rather than Guns.
286   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Mar 22, 6:04pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

RC2006 says
who crys over this shit?


Its a sign of brainwashing. Brainwashing manipulates emotions to control people.
287   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2018 Mar 22, 6:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Here's an example, the New York City Homicide Rate.

It tends to cluster in certain neighborhoods.


Great charts!! How will the Dems spin it, I wonder.

Years ago, I worked in the five boroughs. I can confirm that what that chart posts as demographics is very accurate. As a white dude, there were certain neighborhood I wouldn't go into for all the money in the world.

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