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Why is it difficult for leftists to make points w/o attacking others?

By CBOEtrader following x   2018 Mar 19, 8:38am 26,751 views   287 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


My theory is that superiority is built into the identity of the left.

Accusing others of being child killers for disagreeing about gun rights -OR- suggesting disagreement can only stem from ignorance or racism or both. This form of bigotry is so deeply rooted into the psyche of the left that it becomes almost impossible to discuss a political topic w/o letting these direct personal attacks slip.

Our forum has become an interesting case study in the leftists psychology. It is the product of $billions worth of propaganda blasting soft minds with news, and nonstop Hollywood bigotry against wrongthink. The Nazi's would be jealous of the righteousness seen in today's left, and even more jealous of the glee with which the left today enacts its fascist, anti-wrongthink agenda

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208   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 20, 1:16pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Republican with < $5mil net worth = idiot
209   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Mar 20, 1:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP says
Republican with < $5mil net worth = idiot


At least you are honest about how you judge working class americans. This is why the D's will continue to lose.

Trump is the working class candidate. He is what the democrats were in the days of JFK.
210   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Mar 20, 1:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
FP says
Republican with < $5mil net worth = idiot


At least you are honest about how you judge working class americans. This is why the D's will continue to lose.

Trump is the working class candidate. He is what the democrats were in the days of JFK.


Riiiight. Either that, or he’s as Republican as any Republican before him.

His lone accomplishments are massive tax cut for the wealthy and promises to spend more money we don’t have on a military we don’t need.

How is that any different than every other Republican?

Oh yea, he talks about God a lot, and really protects the Christian Conservative halfwits and their religious nonsense that they demand be imposed on the rest of us, Freedom and Liberty be damned
211   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Mar 20, 1:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
errc says
How do you propose we resolve the black problem?



Abraham Lincoln thought they should be Hotep'd. Send them back to Africa, the goddamn magic wonderland where in the ancient days of Wakanda, they built UFO Anti-gravity Pyramids that traveled the stars until Yakub the literal White Devil showed up.

The true sign of Ra's blessing is the Black Man thrives in the hot sun, but the Evil White Devil is burned and cursed with the Melanoma by the lifegiving Rays of Ra.

Seriously though, the NigNog is a subset of Black People, who causes most of the problems. Send the Hair Hatted Houligan Bastard Factories to the Unwed Mothers home. That will solve most of the Urban Crime Problem. Work, no Thugs to Fuck, No 40s Allowed, no problems of Black Youth corrupted by Nasty Nappy Hos.

It's for everybody, including Trailer White Trash Hos too.


So Big Government Nanny State?
212   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 20, 1:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Vermont has very few blacks = low crime rate. This is the unfortunate truth.


Good point.
213   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Mar 20, 1:32pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
errc says
How do you propose we resolve the black problem?


End PC culture immediately so that experts can ask the tough questions, identify problems, and look for potential solutions.

End the soft racism of leftist low expectations and treat blacks w the same dignity and respect as we treat white males.

End affirmative action and any other program that has been a proven failure to those it supposedly helps.

Implement best person for the job policies, EVERYWHERE.

Teach blacks to compete on a level playing field rather than hand out soft expectation racist goodies.

Publicly shame anyone who promotes victim hood culture.

Look openly at the inner city democratic policies that have kept the black communities in ghetto voting plantation mode.

Spend money on better schools rather than wars and/or failed welfare programs.

Bring back working clas...

Whatever happened to Free Market Capitalist solutions?

Now it’s just SJWs demanding the Big Government come spend more money

With right wingers, some things never change
214   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Mar 20, 1:46pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

errc says
Whatever happened to Free Market Capitalist solutions?


My solution would eliminate SJW's and big government from the equation.
215   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 20, 2:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
FP says
Republican with < $5mil net worth = idiot


At least you are honest about how you judge working class americans. This is why the D's will continue to lose.

Trump is the working class candidate. He is what the democrats were in the days of JFK.


1. Working class Americans who vote against their interests. Same for middle class Americans.

2. Democrats lose because they have turned into a center-right party and do not prioritize the interests of low and middle class Americans.

3. Trump the low class candidate? LOL
Trump was the anti-Hillary candidate. Maybe the desperation candidate.

But poor people have been fooled and screwed throughout human history. So I will not be surprised if they adopt him as their candidate.
216   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 20, 2:20pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick,

Sniper continues to post a personal attack against the users in this tread. After it is marked as personal, the moderator(s) is restoring it. Please ensure that your moderator is following your rules.

errc, can you please quote this message and add @patrick, so that he receives it.
217   Patrick   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 20, 2:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Thanks @FP deleted now.
218   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 20, 2:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Who was reposting it???
219   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 20, 2:25pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I did, because it didn't target anybody in particular, only mentioned unspecified whingers in the thread, and was a reply to Quigley.

My apologies if that's not in keeping with the rules.
220   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 20, 2:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Do you honestly believe if they took in a hundred thousand or so NAFRA refugees, they'd be richer for it?


I'm afraid you have misunderstood what the conversation was about.
221   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Mar 20, 2:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Is it just coincidence that all the mods are biased against non-Trumpcucks?

Or is that by design along with abandoning Free Speech, and honest dialogue?
222   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 20, 2:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP says
I'm afraid you have misunderstood what the conversation was about.



Canada being Whiter than the USA and Australia being almost Wholly White, and thus homogeneous, have no bearing when it comes to discussing the impact of Multiculturalism, the preferred Imperialist (and now Corporatist) solution to pesky nationalism?
223   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Mar 20, 2:35pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP says
1. Working class Americans who vote against their interests. Same for middle class Americans.


Both of these groups do FAR better w Trump than any other potus 2016 choice. Evidence so far supports their decision.

At this rate, Trump is overwhelming favorite for 2020.
224   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 20, 2:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
FP says
1. Working class Americans who vote against their interests. Same for middle class Americans.


Both of these groups do FAR better w Trump than any other potus 2016 choice. Evidence so far supports their decision.

At this rate, Trump is overwhelming favorite for 2020.


Arguably better than Clinton, but not Sanders.

For 2020, it depends on who the opposing candidate will be.
225   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 20, 2:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Canada being Whiter than the USA and Australia being almost Wholly White, and thus homogeneous, have no bearing when it comes to discussing the impact of Multiculturalism,


Are you equating skin color with multiculturilism? Because Canada, I would argue, is even more multicultural than the US.
226   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Mar 20, 2:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP says
but not Sanders.


Socialism totally helps the working class, right comrades?

FP says

For 2020, it depends on who the opposing candidate will be.


Yeah, K Harris will get destroyed. Unless the Rock is running, Trump is fine.
227   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 20, 3:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP says
Might be this, might be that. Anything but guns.

You were in academia, right? What's your discipline? It's not physics right?


Not physics, more applied discipline

There has to be some correlation between gun crime/gun availability, but I do not think that number of guns is the main or biggest factor. Swiss have twice less guns per capita than US, but gun murder rate is much, much less that of US. Finns have a lot of guns, and again gun crime is much less proportionally than in US, and much, much less crime in general as income distributions in those countries are much more equal than in US.

My personal opinion is that there is many more than just one factor, and gun availability is not the main one. One could perhaps start fixing situation with mental health services, or increased economic opportunities for people, or FBI doing its job. Compare Chicago or Baltimore with Houston, El Paso, or San Antonio.

In many poorer E. European countries murder rates are actually pretty high (Russia). Canada/Australia probably has less income inequality.
228   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 20, 3:38pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

drB6 says
My personal opinion is that there is many more than just one factor, and gun availability is not the main one


But how can you isolate them? If there is a sugnificant fraction of the population prone to gun violence, is making guns (including semi-outimatic) available with hardly any control wise? Or maybe you have solution for how to fix the other problems?

It seems to me that one can make a case that the US needs even struckter gun regulation than other countries, not weaker.
229   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Mar 20, 3:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP says
If there is a sugnificant fraction of the population prone to gun violence, is making guns (including semi-outimatic) available with hardly any control wise?


Please explain what "hardly any control wise" means.

FP says
It seems to me that one can make a case that the US needs even struckter gun regulation than other countries, not weaker.


What exact laws are missing that should be implemented? Please be specific?

Isn't shooting someone already illegal?
231   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 20, 3:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says


Socialism totally helps the working class, right comrades?


Sanders is not advocating socialism. So, try again.
232   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 20, 3:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
oth of these groups do FAR better w Trump than any other potus 2016 choice. Evidence so far supports their decision.


What evidence is that?
234   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 20, 4:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP says
Are you equating skin color with multiculturilism? Because Canada, I would argue, is even more multicultural than the US.


Typically, at a multicultural event, they bring out non-White people. Colleges put non-Whites on their brochures (but NOT too many Asians) with the Heading "Fart College committed to multiculturalism and diversity on campus".

So when PoMo Neoliberals talk about multiculturalism, the "Subtext" is that of "Look at all the non-Whites".

NOT "Oh look, a big province speaks French. Hey, all 12 of are employees are European, but the gal from Trois-Riveres in accounting can rap in Joual and makes a mean poutaine."
235   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Mar 20, 5:20pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP says
http://ritholtz.com/2018/03/dont-know-prevent-gun-violence/

http://ritholtz.com/2017/10/gun-ownership-vs-gun-deaths/


A finance guy is now the authority on gun violence and gun laws???

Really?

To top it off, he posts charts from Vox and Mother Jones, the two most lefty leaning, radical, liberal sites on the web???

Folks, you just can't make this shit up!
236   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Mar 20, 5:21pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HappyGilmore says
CBOEtrader says


Socialism totally helps the working class, right comrades?


Sanders is not advocating socialism. So, try again.


Just advocating lots of FREE stuff (paid for by those evil rich people).



Thank GOD he didn't win!!
237   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 20, 5:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
FP says
Are you equating skin color with multiculturilism? Because Canada, I would argue, is even more multicultural than the US.


Typically, at a multicultural event, they bring out non-White people. Colleges put non-Whites on their brochures (but NOT too many Asians) with the Heading "Fart College committed to multiculturalism and diversity on campus".

So when PoMo Neoliberals talk about multiculturalism, the "Subtext" is that of "Look at all the non-Whites".

NOT "Oh look, a big province speaks French. Hey, all 12 of are employees are European, but the gal from Trois-Riveres in accounting can rap in Joual and makes a mean poutaine."


I don't care what "they" do. I wrote that Canada is multicultural and you replied with "but it's only 2.5%" black. So the question is what multicultural is according to YOU.

Otherwise, I know that Canada is a PC hell. I have a Canadian citizenship (in addition to a couple more).
238   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 20, 5:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
FP says
Are you equating skin color with multiculturilism? Because Canada, I would argue, is even more multicultural than the US.


Typically, at a multicultural event, they bring out non-White people. Colleges put non-Whites on their brochures (but NOT too many Asians) with the Heading "Fart College committed to multiculturalism and diversity on campus".

So when PoMo Neoliberals talk about multiculturalism, the "Subtext" is that of "Look at all the non-Whites".

NOT "Oh look, a big province speaks French. Hey, all 12 of are employees are European, but the gal from Trois-Riveres in accounting can rap in Joual and makes a mean poutaine."


I don't care what "they" do. I wrote that Canada is multicultural and you replied with "but it's only 2.5%" black. So the question is what multicultural is according to YOU.

Otherwise, I know that Canada is a PC hell. I have a Canadian citizenship (in addition to a couple more).
239   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 20, 5:22pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP says
drB6 says<
In many poorer E. European countries murder rates are actually pretty high


Many? I'm pretty sure that all of the EU Eastern European countries has much lower rate than the US.


They have more homogeneous populations and in many (not most) cases less unequal income distributions. EU East European countries are not poor in grand scheme of things. Former Soviet Union has similar or higher murder rates than US of A, with Russia being worst.

My problem with gun removal is that government starts things with best intentions and ends screwing everything up. They can introduce another 10000 rules and regulations and ignore them just like they did with shooting in TX church (the perp was reported for domestic abuse yet nothing came out of it and he bought a gun which he should not be able to according to already existing rules), Florida school shooting - FBI/local police was informed many times yet nothing, there was a school shooting in NW NM - again shooter was reported to FBI etc. A few more regulations are more likely to screw over law-abiding citizens.

I did not grow up in gun culture, so the question does not hold emotional significance to me. However, I know many people around me who grew up with guns around them, who like having a lot of them in their houses, and who are very responsible owners. New regulations will make their life more difficult while FBI will miss another thousand tips, and after another shooting we will have more calls for new rules and regulations.
240   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 20, 5:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
FP says
Are you equating skin color with multiculturilism? Because Canada, I would argue, is even more multicultural than the US.


Typically, at a multicultural event, they bring out non-White people. Colleges put non-Whites on their brochures (but NOT too many Asians) with the Heading "Fart College committed to multiculturalism and diversity on campus".

So when PoMo Neoliberals talk about multiculturalism, the "Subtext" is that of "Look at all the non-Whites".

NOT "Oh look, a big province speaks French. Hey, all 12 of are employees are European, but the gal from Trois-Riveres in accounting can rap in Joual and makes a mean poutaine."


I don't care what "they" do. I wrote that Canada is multicultural and you replied with "but it's only 2.5%" black. So the question is what multicultural is according to YOU.

Otherwise, I know that Canada is a PC hell. I have a Canadian citizenship (in addition to a couple more).
241   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Mar 20, 5:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HappyGilmore says
CBOEtrader says


Socialism totally helps the working class, right comrades?


Sanders is not advocating socialism. So, try again.


Ok. Try to explain the difference between socialism, and the rebranded Democratic socialism. (There is none.)
242   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 20, 5:30pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP says
I don't care what "they" do. I wrote that Canada is multicultural and you replied with "but it's only 2.5%" black. So the question is what multicultural is according to YOU.


The meaning of multicultural is determined by it's use in society, and that's what it means to me, because I'm interested in reality since I have to deal with it.

Just like slavery really means "1500-1880 Slavery by Europeans" and not "600-1850 Slavery by Muslims from Astrakhan to Arabized Sicily, from Ireland to Ukraine to Zanzibar" or "Slavery generally around the world, from the Aztec sacrifice of POWs to their bloodthirsty gods to African slavery of their enemy tribesmen to the Zanj Rebellion of Black Slaves in the Persian Gulf"
243   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Mar 20, 5:35pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP says
I have a Canadian citizenship (in addition to a couple more).


What's the benefit?

FP says
So the question is what multicultural is according to YOU.


Communities w different cultural values. The larger the differences, the larger the problems. This has been true since the beginning of time, and will always be true.

If a group wants to assimilate, they almost always do just fine. If, however, they reject liberal acceptance of others and would prefer to throw gays off rooftops and/or rape white women, then we have big problems. See Sweden's skyrocketing crime and rape rates for an example.
244   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 20, 5:36pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Just advocating lots of FREE stuff (paid for by those evil rich people).



Thank GOD he didn't win!!


If we discount the first item on Bernie's list, the price tag is not much different from that of Iraq war...and money would be spent here as opposed to bombing desert and enriching arms manufacturers. I do not think Bernie is particularly realistic, but he is for sure better than Bush & Co who wasted trillions on chasing camel herders.
246   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Mar 20, 6:42pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says


Add in, he censored dangerous wrongthink. Today's progressives would have been Nazi's FOR SURE. Group think idiocy always leads to tyranny.
247   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 20, 7:06pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
FP says
I don't care what "they" do. I wrote that Canada is multicultural and you replied with "but it's only 2.5%" black. So the question is what multicultural is according to YOU.


The meaning of multicultural is determined by it's use in society


In general yes, but completely irrelevant for our conversation.
248   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 20, 7:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

drB6 says
FP says
drB6 says<
In many poorer E. European countries murder rates are actually pretty high


Many? I'm pretty sure that all of the EU Eastern European countries has much lower rate than the US.


They have more homogeneous populations and in many (not most) cases less unequal income distributions. EU East European countries are not poor in grand scheme of things. Former Soviet Union has similar or higher murder rates than US of A, with Russia being worst.


1. I gave Eastern European countries as an example of relatively (to the US) poor countries, which they are. Income inequality, depending how is measured, is not much off.

2. Former Soviet Union? Which countries are you talking about apart from Russsia? A few are in EU, a few others have lower gun homocide rates, for a few there's no data, a few have/had civil wars. A lot of the gun violence in that region is also organized-crime related.

3. Yes, the US is unique in many ways, but one can look at the trend among many countries (not only between the US and country X):

http://ritholtz.com/2017/10/gun-ownership-vs-gun-deaths/

The correlation is clear. And yes, it is not perfect because other factors are in play. But why refuse to acknowledge and address the most obvious one?
249   FortWayne   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 20, 9:05pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Can’t you all just get along?
250   marcus   ignore (7)   2018 Mar 20, 9:32pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Today's progressives would have been Nazi's FOR SURE. Group think idiocy always leads to tyranny.


You have a truly wonderful understanding of Nazism and Hitler. I love your objectivity.


Hitler's political beliefs drew heavily upon social Darwinism—the view that natural selection applies as much to human society as it does to biological organisms.[101] Hitler believed that history was shaped by a violent struggle between nations and races; and that a nation needed to be united under a strong, centralized state led by an heroic leader in order to succeed in this struggle and that individuals within a nation battled with each other for survival; and that such ruthless competition was good for the health of the nation because it promoted "superior individuals" to higher positions in society.[102]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism
The truth is that the Nazis didn't have an economic policy, and Hitler considered that a feature and not a bug. And yet the Nazis were ultimately corporatists. German corporatations had a lot of influence on Nazis, and not the other way around. He used the word socialist, but specifically said that it was nothing like marxist socialism.

You know this, but say what you say becasue of an apparent need to conflate progressives with Nazis, while simultaneously lecturing progressives on their tendencies toward name calling.

Wtf ?
251   marcus   ignore (7)   2018 Mar 20, 9:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

IF anything progressives these days might be accused of celebrating diversity and are quite at peace with the imminent loss of white dominance in our culture.

Yes. That sounds just like Hitler. Is that the general idea behind what he was going for with his talk of the purity and superiority of the Aryan race ?


The ideology of Nazism was based upon the conception of the ancient Aryan race being a superior race, holding the highest position in the racial hierarchy and that the Germanic peoples were the most racially pure existing peoples of Aryan stock.[33] The Nazi conception of the Aryan race arose from earlier proponents of a supremacist conception of the race as described by racial theorist figures such as Arthur de Gobineau and Houston Stewart Chamberlain.[34]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race
252   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Mar 20, 9:54pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
IF anything progressives these days might be accused of celebrating diversity and are quite at peace with the imminent loss of white dominance in our culture.


IF anything Nazis might be accused of celebrating Germans and are quite at peace with the imminent loss of Jewish dominance in our culture.
253   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Mar 20, 9:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Yes. That sounds just like Hitler.
we agree.
254   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 21, 6:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Ok. Try to explain the difference between socialism, and the rebranded Democratic socialism. (There is none.)


No problem. There is a HUGE difference and I'll detail it here for you.

Socialism is public or government ownership of means of production. Democratic Socialism is privately owned means of production.

It is apples and oranges.
255   marcus   ignore (7)   2018 Mar 21, 7:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
marcus says
IF anything progressives these days might be accused of celebrating diversity and are quite at peace with the imminent loss of white dominance in our culture.


IF anything Nazis might be accused of celebrating Germans and are quite at peace with the imminent loss of Jewish dominance in our culture.


Wait, what ?
256   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 21, 8:06am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HappyGilmore says
CBOEtrader says
Ok. Try to explain the difference between socialism, and the rebranded Democratic socialism. (There is none.)


No problem. There is a HUGE difference and I'll detail it here for you.

Socialism is public or government ownership of means of production. Democratic Socialism is privately owned means of production.

It is apples and oranges.


Fact, rightests are too fucking stupid to understand this.
257   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Mar 21, 8:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

RafiMaas says
Fact, rightests are too fucking stupid to understand this.
Nah, we just don't care.
258   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 21, 8:15am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP_ex says
Which countries are you talking about apart from Russsia?

Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus
259   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 21, 8:18am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP_ex says
Yes, the US is unique in many ways, but one can look at the trend among many countries (not only between the US and country X):

http://ritholtz.com/2017/10/gun-ownership-vs-gun-deaths/

The correlation is clear. And yes, it is not perfect because other factors are in play. But why refuse to acknowledge and address the most obvious one?

I'd say that it should not be gun deaths, it should be gun murders. The correlation might look different. Furthermore, the fact that some idiots kill people while driving drunk or texting while driving does not mean that we should prohibit alcohol or cellphones.
260   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Mar 21, 9:01am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HappyGilmore says
It is apples and oranges.


Ah ok, so socialism is the failed real world approach. Democratic socialism is a dream that leftists have about "real socialism". Its the "I would never be like Mao if i were in charge" narcassistic fantasy.There is no functional difference. It's all forced collectivism at the barrel of a gun. Take wrong thinkers to the gulags
261   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Mar 21, 9:04am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says
Wait, what ?


You are fixated on the fact that a different group of victim mentality assholes is oppressing a different target demographic, and suggesting that means Nazi's and progressives are different.

I am pointing out that Nazi's and progressives are almost identical, right down to the words they use to describe the outgroup.
262   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 21, 9:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
Ah ok, so socialism is the failed real world approach. Democratic socialism is a dream that leftists have about "real socialism"


Please explain which means of production leftist want to make publicly owned?
263   d6rB   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 21, 9:13am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

T2 says
drB6, I will not be replying to your comments. Nor will I engage in any meaningful discussions on this site any more, for obvious reasons.
FP

Was not my intention to offend you in any way.
264   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Mar 21, 9:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

drB6 says
I'd say that it should not be gun deaths, it should be gun murders


Gun "deaths" is a stat only used by liars or the ignorant. Gun murders is better, but the most relevant stat is violent crime rate per capita.
265   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Mar 21, 9:19am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

RafiMaas says
Please explain which means of production leftist want to make publicly owned?


Education, banking, healthcare, energy, food, and housing are the big ones.

Yes, leftist are totes cool w less regulated private frisbee making companies.
266   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 21, 9:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says
RafiMaas says
Please explain which means of production leftist want to make publicly owned?


Education, banking, healthcare, energy, food, and housing are the big ones.


Education? Trying to? Too much, I rest my case.

Going down this argument with someone who says they deal with facts but then chooses not to get all the facts... No thank you.
267   Malcolm   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 21, 9:46am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Booger says



There was some serious growth in Germany at the beginning. I'm not sure modern liberals would like Hitler, as he didn't like racial integration and he was imperialistic. I am starting to notice that liberals are becoming more authoritarian with the PC. However, there some interesting points that build on my ideal of a basic minimum income with a market based economy, and governments doing a part in encouraging commerce.
268   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 21, 10:03am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Leftism in a nutshell.
269   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Mar 21, 10:04am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

RafiMaas says
Trying to? Too much, I rest my case.
english?

Try using grammar others can understand.

RafiMaas says
Education


Education is the most important industry for any collectivist authoritarian to control. See the "dear colleague" letter as an example. Or refer to my other thread wherein wrongthinking teachers and deploreables are removed from school so as to purify the environment. Progressives = nazis
270   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Mar 21, 10:10am   ↑ like (6)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
Leftism in a nutshell.


If the waitress was white, then she deserved it. If she is straight she double deserves it. If she supports Trump, she triple deserves it.

Also, you can't blame the poor blacks, history of slavery and all.

In fact, simply posting this is racist. You are either a russian bot or a white supremecist. The federal dept of diversity and inclusion requires you come in for questioning.
271   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 21, 10:15am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says


Education is the most important industry for any collectivist authoritarian to control


Wrong, the press is the most important industry for any collective authoritarian to control.
272   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Mar 21, 10:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
CBOEtrader says


Education is the most important industry for any collectivist authoritarian to control


Wrong, the press is the most important industry for any collective authoritarian to control.


Great point.
273   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 21, 11:00am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

bob2356 says
Wrong, the press is the most important industry for any collective authoritarian to control.


Which is why Monopolist Oligarchs like Carlos Slim (Mexican Phones) and Jeff Bezos (Internet Commerce) like to own them.
274   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Mar 21, 11:03am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FP_ex says
http://ritholtz.com/2017/10/gun-ownership-vs-gun-deaths/

The correlation is clear. And yes, it is not perfect because other factors are in play.


Nope, no correlation because Lefties want to group suicides and homicides into the same group. That's like comparing apples to army tanks.

FP_ex says
But why refuse to acknowledge and address the most obvious one?


Good point, why don't Lefties address the bigger issue of the two, suicides? Twice as many people kill THEMSELVES with a gun versus shooting OTHERS with a gun. Why is that fact overlooked by the Lefties? Isn't killing yourself an issue with mental illness versus a gun issue??

But, if we only had "common sense gun laws", expanded background checks and ban AR15's , people wouldn't commit suicide, right?
275   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 21, 11:07am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Pretty Tough to Commit suicide with an AR-15.
276   Goran_K   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 21, 11:25am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
Good point, why don't Lefties address the bigger issue of the two, suicides? Twice as many people kill THEMSELVES with a gun versus shooting OTHERS with a gun. Why is that fact overlooked by the Lefties? Isn't killing yourself an issue with mental illness versus a gun issue??

But, if we only had "common sense gun laws", expanded background checks and ban AR15's , people wouldn't commit suicide, right?


If you remove suicides, and the top 10 gun homicide cities from the statistics (all of which are Democrat controlled), the national gun homicide rate becomes minuscule.
277   RC2006   ignore (0)   2018 Mar 21, 11:53am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

More unstable people on the left.
If Hillary had won republitards wouldn't be doing this, who crys over this shit?
278   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Mar 21, 11:55am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
If you remove suicides, and the top 10 gun homicide cities from the statistics (all of which are Democrat controlled), the national gun homicide rate becomes minuscule.


Now you went and did it. Spreading those FACTS again.

How can the gun grabbers complete their mission, when you blow up their narratives?

You're so mean! :)
279   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 21, 12:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CBOEtrader says

Ah ok, so socialism is the failed real world approach. Democratic socialism is a dream that leftists have about "real socialism". Its the "I would never be like Mao if i were in charge" narcassistic fantasy.There is no functional difference. It's all forced collectivism at the barrel of a gun. Take wrong thinkers to the gulags


No, wrong again. Socialism has an actual definition that I shared with you. Sanders does not advocate for government ownership of all means of production. His platform is vastly different than Socialism.

The functional difference is ENORMOUS. It's impossible for me to imagine that anyone would think they are the same.
280   missing   ignore (1)   2018 Mar 22, 10:53am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

drB6 says
Was not my intention to offend you in any way.


You did not. We are cool.
281   anonymous   ignore (null)   2018 Mar 22, 3:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sniper says
FP_ex says
http://ritholtz.com/2017/10/gun-ownership-vs-gun-deaths/

The correlation is clear. And yes, it is not perfect because other factors are in play.


Nope, no correlation because Lefties want to group suicides and homicides into the same group. That's like comparing apples to army tanks.

FP_ex says
But why refuse to acknowledge and address the most obvious one?


Good point, why don't Lefties address the bigger issue of the two, suicides? Twice as many people kill THEMSELVES with a gun versus shooting OTHERS with a gun. Why is that fact overlooked by the Lefties? Isn't killing yourself an issue with mental illness versus a gun issue??

But, if we only had "common sense gun laws", expanded background checks and ba...


Lefties seem like the only ones actually willing to deal with suicides in reality.

See Liberals Right to Die laws in Colorado etc
282   bob2356   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 22, 3:49pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says

If you remove suicides, and the top 10 gun homicide cities from the statistics (all of which are Democrat controlled), the national gun homicide rate becomes minuscule.


and the top 10 gun homicide states? all republican controlled. What about that? How do highly populated states like NY,MA,NJ have less homicides, actual homicides not rate, than shitholes like AL, LA, MS, TN where not nearly as many people live?
283   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 22, 4:01pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

And St.Louis, Baltimore, New Orleans, DC, Chicago, Detroit?

It's pretty clear that what drives the homicide rate is a certain demographic that is 13% of the population but more than 50% of all homicides.
284   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 22, 4:10pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Here's an example, the New York City Homicide Rate.

It tends to cluster in certain neighborhoods.



Park Slope, Bay Ridge, Upper East Side, Flushing... low murder.
Brownsville, Flat Bush, East Harlem, Jamaica... high murder.



Interestingly, Brownsville has the worst homicide rate in NYC. There would be about a half-dozen neighborhoods equally bad or worse in Chicago. When was the last time Chicago had a Republican Mayor? 1931.
285   MisterLearnToCode   ignore (4)   2018 Mar 22, 4:26pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I wonder what Lousiana's Murder Rate would be without New Orleans, Shrevesport, and the 3 Black Majority Parishes in the Northeast. Probably a lot lower.

6.5% of the population - commits more than half the murder (assuming half of blacks are male, but that might be an overstatement due to the numbers in prison and killed from all causes).

We should talk about banning Nigrish Behavior rather than Guns.
286   CBOEtrader   ignore (5)   2018 Mar 22, 6:04pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

RC2006 says
who crys over this shit?


Its a sign of brainwashing. Brainwashing manipulates emotions to control people.
287   MrMagic   ignore (10)   2018 Mar 22, 6:33pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsPlissken says
Here's an example, the New York City Homicide Rate.

It tends to cluster in certain neighborhoods.


Great charts!! How will the Dems spin it, I wonder.

Years ago, I worked in the five boroughs. I can confirm that what that chart posts as demographics is very accurate. As a white dude, there were certain neighborhood I wouldn't go into for all the money in the world.

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