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Tim Aurora says

Obama was not spying on Trump. FBI was monitoring the traitors who were in constant contact with Russia. FBI ( Mueller) is still investigating the Trump team and that does not mean Trump is investigating himself

Would that be Hilalry and the DNC who paid the Russians 12 million dolalrs to get a fake dossier.

Democrats hate America.

lostand confused says

Would that be Hilalry and the DNC who paid the Russians 12 million dolalrs to get a fake dossier.

Nope. That is more lies.

Why do Trump supporters have to lie so much? Is the truth that damaging to them?

edvard says

And yet Democrats have quietly been winning special election after special election ever since the election

Um they’ve picked up a couple, out of like ten, and a Pennsylvania congress seat just flipped to red the other day that has been blue since it was created in the 60s. I think you have your facts exactly backward... which isn’t surprising as your logic seems reversed as well.

edvard says

today's upcoming youth overwhelmingly favor liberal policies.

The youth ALWAYS favor liberal policies! In any generation! Then they grow up a bit, have families, and realize that shit is stupid and naive. And the well documented trend of millennial leaving the Democrats (mostly to the ranks of independents) shows that this is happening as expected. The youth rarely show up to vote anyway, as they’re too busy either having fun or working odd hours. Also midterm elections are SO unsexy. Practically nobody even cares which dipshit gets elected to whatever office they’ve never heard of. A 20% turn-out is considered good! Only people who are responsible enough to vote in a thoroughly unsexy election will have a voice. The rest will put it off until we next have elections for supreme leader of the world (AKA POTUS).

edvard says

But they aren't favoring the GOP. Not by a long shot. The fact of the matter is that both the millennial and post millennial generations lean strongly to the left. As in they aren't in favor of conventional, blue dog democrats but they are Especially not keen on the GOP. Something like upwards of 90% of the post millinial generation heavily dislikes trump for example.

They aren't favoring the Dems either. As you expect of a generation entering it's 30s, they are now indy voters up for grabs by either party.

Blue Dogs are a minority in the Democratic Party mostly found only in Rustbelt states. The base is basically Technocrat Identitarian Neoliberal Globalists.

edvard says

The wet dream that the right has of turning America into something akin to a Handmaid's tail isn't going to happen. The country, despite Trump and today's GOP is still moving towards a more progressive and all-inclusive direction. Bigotry and racism that's been embraced by the right for years is extremely unpopular with today's youth and thus why the GOP is likely going to paint themselves into a corner.

Personally, I wouldn't mind some Handsmaid's tail.

It would be great if Democrats referenced something other than Handsmaid's Tale OR Harry Potter. They used to reference 1984, but then they got all PC/SJW.

"The youth ALWAYS favor liberal policies! In any generation! Then they grow up a bit, have families, and realize that shit is stupid and naive. And the well documented trend of millennial leaving the Democrats (mostly to the ranks of independents) shows that this is happening as expected."

Excuse me, but in most people's books racism, xenophobia, ignorance, and other traits of whats become of today's GOP is some "pretty stupid shit". The GOP is now in most people's minds a dead party walking. I'm a 40 year old man and I know hardly anyone near my age- and that also goes for most of the folks I know back home in North Carolina whom are Trump supporters.

Trump has done more to turn off at least a generation of future voters to the GOP than any other person in history. The GOP will likely pay a steep price for allowing the 3-ring circus to continue unabated and after the Democrats sweep the house and senate in a few months that will be it for the GOP.

You and others are on the wrong side of history. You guys represent the hate my Grandfathers fought against in WW2. Rest assured that those of us who are today's true patriots will make sure Trump is the last GOP president you guys will ever get unless that party changes its tune and stops being the party of the weak minded and hateful.

"Personally, I wouldn't mind some Handsmaid's tail."
Oh, so do please tell us all exactly what you like about that? Next thing you know you'll be telling us you wouldn't mind a lil' repressive fascism. here and there. Besides- Trump and the pieces of trash he has chosen to run things is pretty much right up there when it comes to a freak horror show.

But I digress: Your party is extremely unpopular with both of those generations. You would be grossly mistaken if you were to think they're rushing to the gates to vote for Trump. They're simply not pleased that the current Democratic party isn't going far enough and I would tend to agree. There is a very real desire among many in those generations who are looking for something closer to FDR-style liberal politics and policies, which has been missing from this country since the 1960's and the last of the new deal.

The overall result of Trump is that the right has gone more to the extreme right and the left is going to the extreme left. Put two and two together: The GOP and conservative movement is losing people. The overwhelming majority of millinial and post millinials lean very heavily to the right. Those two generations are huge. The outcome is that the country is very likely heading further to the left within the next 5-10 years as they become a dominating force.

edvard says

Oh, so do please tell us all exactly what you like about that? Next thing you know you'll be telling us you wouldn't mind a lil' repressive fascism. here and there. Besides- Trump and the pieces of trash he has chosen to run things is pretty much right up there when it comes to a freak horror show.

Most of Trump's policies could be spoken by Eisenhower or Truman. Or for that matter Nancy Pelosi, Bill Clinton, or Diane Feinstein of the late 80s/early 90s.

edvard says

But I digress: Your party is extremely unpopular with both of those generations. You would be grossly mistaken if you were to think they're rushing to the gates to vote for Trump. They're simply not pleased that the current Democratic party isn't going far enough and I would tend to agree. There is a very real desire among many in those generations who are looking for something closer to FDR-style liberal politics and policies, which has been missing from this country since the 1960's and the last of the new deal.

A point nobody is making.

What we do see, again, is Millennials' votes are exhibiting similar trends to other generations, declining support for liberals as they age.

You should also not expect Hispanics to be so pro-Democrat based on experience with other ethnic groups and due to huge amounts of intermarriage between Whites and Hispanics.

Keep banging away at Whiteness and Toxic Masculinity and see how far you get. Another thing you could do, to insure victory? Increase the tempo of the criticism of White Married Women for not being supportive enough of POCs. That will really help going forward.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

What we do see, again, is Millennials' votes are exhibiting similar trends to other generations, declining support for liberals as they age.

I told Edvard earlier this week that is pretty dumb relying on the Young and Stupid as a major voting block. As you point out, many of the Young and Stupid grow up and get a clue.

Hey- thanks for posting the chart that helps prove my point: Your party is incredibly unpopular with millinials as seen by the chart.
And yes- I suspect that Hispanics aren't going to be voting for the orange bigot who called them rapists at the start of his campaign.

History shall not be kind to you guys. All that Trump has done for you is to rip the ugly cover off of what conservatives actually think and what was shown is revolting and disgusting.

The majority of us who do not support Trump will show just exactly what we think of you brainwashed heathens in a few short months and when its over don't whine and say that you wern't warned.

"I told Edvard earlier this week that is pretty dumb relying on the Young and Stupid as a major voting block"

So far all you've mentioned to me is unbelievably ignorant and misguided. I feel sorry for you.

edvard says

Hey- thanks for posting the chart that helps prove my point: Your party is incredibly unpopular with millinials as seen by the chart.

Really, a drop below 50% for endorsing a generic Democrat over a generic Republican, with the biggest drops Males and Whites, is proving your point?

It's proving mine.

edvard says

The majority of us who do not support Trump will show just exactly what we think of you brainwashed heathens in a few short months and when its over don't whine and say that you wern't warned.

The chart does not show a majority of millennials for either party.

You might find this one interesting, North Carolina:

"Really, a drop below 50% for endorsing a generic Democrat over a generic Republican, with the biggest drops Males and Whites, is proving your point?"

Your chart shows only ONE demographic- white males, which if you haven't been paying attention are no longer really the majority in this country anymore. All other demographics do not support Trump.

Changing the subject and again I ask- Like how in the hell did this site turn into a little den of right wingers? Either way you guys are seemingly only talking to yourselves. In other words its a big echo chamber and that's likely giving you a really false sense of security as to whats happening in the real world. That's merely setting yourselves up for disappointment when all of the loonie articles you've posted and the high-fives you give one another for posting obnoxious horse manure turns out to be the laughable joke it is.

"Personally, I wouldn't mind some Handsmaid's tail."
Oh, so do please tell us all exactly what you like about that?

It seems you missed his joke. You wrote "tail" when you meant "tale." Since "getting tail" is a well known euphemism for sex, his phrase "Personally, I wouldn't mind some Handsmaid's tail" is a play on your misspelled word. That is, he would like to bang the Handmaid. And when it comes to "Handmaid's Tail," I suppose some are getting more "hand" than "tail."

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

not expect Hispanics to be so pro-Democrat based on experience with other ethnic groups and due to huge amounts of intermarriage between Whites and Hispanics.

Fuck, everyone is marrying inter racially these days! Leftists like edvard probably never would even consider getting hitched to a woman who isn’t lily white. I have a friend from college who is a smart guy but went from engineering school to law school and went full retard along the way. Now he’s constantly posting Leftist shit and talking about how racist everyone is who disagrees with him. Dude is lily white. His wife is even whiter. Their kids are practically translucent. Put your life where your mouth is, Buddy!

I did.

edvard says

Your chart shows only ONE demographic- white males, which if you haven't been paying attention are no longer really the majority in this country anymore. All other demographics do not support Trump.

It shows WHITES and MALES, separately.

Quigley says

Fuck, everyone is marrying inter racially these days! Leftists like edvard probably never would even consider getting hitched to a woman who isn’t lily white. I have a friend from college who is a smart guy but went from engineering school to law school and went full retard along the way. Now he’s constantly posting Leftist shit and talking about how racist everyone is who disagrees with him. Dude is lily white. His wife is even whiter. Their kids are practically translucent. Put your life where your mouth is, Buddy!

Yep, my wife is Hispanic. Unfortunately, a graduate of a small liberal arts college. But babies are changing her perception of reality.

HeadSet says

"Personally, I wouldn't mind some Handsmaid's tail."
Oh, so do please tell us all exactly what you like about that?

It seems you missed his joke. You wrote "tail" when you meant "tale." Since "getting tail" is a well known euphemism for sex, his phrase "Personally, I wouldn't mind some Handsmaid's tail" is a play on your misspelled word. That is, he would like to bang the Handmaid. And when it comes to "Handmaid's Tail," I suppose some are getting more "hand" than "tail."

Based on this guy’s complete lack of humor, I will venture to say he’s both white collar and probably a lawyer or social worker or maybe HR. Definitely not anyone messing with science, engineering, and I’d bet a million bucks he isn’t a tradesman. Blue collar people know how to joke around without getting our jock straps in a knot. The kind of shit we flip each other daily would give the average HR rep a seizure. But lawyers are the worst for having zero sense of humor.

rdm says

It is a crime to conspire with agents of a foreign government to influence an election.

Are you saying, "Lock her up?"

"The lobby firm created by both Tony and John Podesta in 1988 receives $140,000 a month from the Saudi government, a government that beheads nonviolent dissidents, uses torture to extract forced confessions, doesn't allow women to drive, and bombs schools, hospitals and residential neighborhoods in neighboring Yemen.

The Podesta Group's March 2016 filing, required under the Foreign Agents Registration Act of 1938, shows that Tony Podesta himself oversees the Saudi account. At the same time, Tony Podesta is also a top campaign contributor and bundler for Hillary Clinton. So while one brother runs the campaign, the other brother funds it with earnings that come, in part, from the Saudis.
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The brothers seem to have no problem mixing their roles into the same pot. Tony Podesta held a Clinton campaign fundraiser at his home featuring gourmet Italian food cooked by himself and his brother, the campaign chairman. The fundraiser, by the way, came just days after Tony Podesta filed his Saudi contract with the Justice Department, a contract that included an initial "project fee" payment of $200,000."

edvard says

Bigotry and racism that's been embraced by the right

Source? Or just making shit up. The D's are far more racist today than the R's. That's just a fact.

CBOEtrader says

The D's are far more racist today than the R's. That's just a fact.

So let's see the facts to back up the claim.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2016/09/07/health/millennials-conservative-generations/index.html

@CBOEtrader.

See the initials "CNN" in your link so not worth opening, CNN is a well known fake news source.

Question ? How come Turmp supporters like to cite CNN when it's convenient but other times it's fake news ? How does that work ?

Kakistocracy says

Question ?

I'm happy to teach you how to use the internet. In the example above, I used CNN to quote the study suggesting millennials are more conservative than recent generations. The fact quoted is easily verifiable. It is neither a biased political perspective or a purposeful misinterpretation, but rather a verifiable fact. When quoting a verifiable fact, I find it useful to use CNN so libtards will actually read the source. In your case, you refuse regardless of the source. Sorry, I can't help this level of TDS.

@CBOEtrader - is it really necessary to resort to personal attacks and name calling so early in the day ?

You cite one source "suggesting" something as opposed to serious data ?

Using CNN as a source is now a personal attack? Try discussing the topic rather than individuals.

Let's try again. 1) the concept of D's winning in the future by population default is a joke. The more the D's focus on racist identity politics while labeling all detractors as racist, the more young people will move away from the D's. As per the article, this is already happening.

2) the D's platform is itself racist, while the R's at least uphold individual responsibility.

Conclusion: the D's and their racist platform are dying on the vine.

curious2 says

rdm says

It is a crime to conspire with agents of a foreign government to influence an election.

Are you saying, "Lock her up?"

By this logic they should lock up whoever hired that UK professor spy to work on Trumps campaign. Can we all agree on this much?

Or is hypocrisy that thick?

Kakistocracy says

You cite one source "suggesting" something as opposed to serious data ?

Sorry. Predicting the future is an inexact science.

CBOEtrader says

Using CNN as a source is now a personal attack? Try discussing the topic rather than individuals.

CBOEtrader says

Sorry, I can't help this level of TDS.

CBOEtrader says

I'm happy to teach you how to use the internet

You were discussing the topic vs. an individual now were you ?

Here's a better source for your spy story

Four decades ago, Halper was responsible for a long-forgotten spying scandal involving the 1980 election, in which the Reagan campaign – using CIA officials managed by Halper, reportedly under the direction of former CIA Director and then-Vice-Presidential candidate George H.W. Bush – got caught running a spying operation from inside the Carter administration. The plot involved CIA operatives passing classified information about Carter’s foreign policy to Reagan campaign officials in order to ensure the Reagan campaign knew of any foreign policy decisions that Carter was considering.

https://theintercept.com/2018/05/19/the-fbi-informant-who-monitored-the-trump-campaign-stefan-halper-oversaw-a-cia-spying-operation-in-the-1980-presidential-election/

Kakistocracy says

Here's a better source for your spy story

If you have a point, please make it.

Kakistocracy says

See the initials "CNN" in your link so not worth opening, CNN is a well known fake news source.

But it's the bible for accurate reporting according to the Libbies.

Kakistocracy says

https://theintercept.com/

Ahhh, so we get The Intercept..... so much better than CNN (NOT)....

CBOEtrader says

Or is hypocrisy that thick?

Attention and enforcement seem highly selective. If people want to investigate foreign involvement in the 2016 elections, OK, that investigation should encompass all the foreign players and prioritize them in order of the scale of involvement. That would make KSA priority #1 (see also here), and Russia a distant second or third.

Kakistocracy says

Here's a better source for your spy story

Four decades ago, Halper was responsible for a long-forgotten spying scandal involving the 1980 election, in which the Reagan campaign – using CIA officials managed by Halper, reportedly under the direction of former CIA Director and then-Vice-Presidential candidate George H.W. Bush – got caught running a spying operation from inside the Carter administration. The plot involved CIA operatives passing classified information about Carter’s foreign policy to Reagan campaign officials in order to ensure the Reagan campaign knew of any foreign policy decisions that Carter was considering.

https://theintercept.com/2018/05/19/the-fbi-informant-who-monitored-the-trump-campaign-stefan-halper-oversaw-a-cia-spying-operation-in-the-1980-presidential-election/

This was enlightening. I didnt know that Halper worked to cuck the US 40 years ago in an almost identical way. How is this not proof of a deep state coup against Trump? Fucking Bush family is evil.

The Russia collusion story was an almost undeniable cover for the coup. Holy crap, heads are gonna roll.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/05/20/nunes-if-informant-reporting-is-true-it-is-a-absolute-red-line-this-is-over/

1. The Deep State is gonna make Trump's Presidency very short. Insurance policy, heh.
2. The Deep State Didndu Nuttin' Wrong
2a. Nobody Spied on the Trump Campaign
2b. Okay, maybe this Halpern dude, but that was "information provision", not spying.
2c. And he was trying to Protect Trump from Russia by not warning him or his senior advisors.
2c1. Instead Halpern was REALLY interested in whether Trump had Hillary's Emails.
2c1aa. And Asked TWO Trump Associates about them.
2c1bb. And offered cash for a research paper as a means of having an excuse to chat them up.
2c1cc. And used a honeypot, a young gal working for him
2c2. Hillary's emails were totally innocuous anyway,
2c3. Even though they were stored on a poorly secured private server and we think the Ruskies (and everybody else, most likely) got 'em
2d. Nevermind the FBI Counter-Intelligence campaign was run by the Director and Dpty Director,
2d1. The director hated Trump and the former had ties to McAuliffe and the Clintons.
2d2. And wrote the absolution memo on Hillary, Comey just signed it but McCabe authored it.
2d3. While Strzonk and his Lovergirl at DOJ Lisa Page were texting thousands of times about hating on Trump and protecting McCabe.
2d4. And leaking to the Media.

This is worse and more far reaching than Watergate.

By the way, Kudos to the Daily Caller which broke this story almost two months ago

Papadopoulos now questions Halper’s motivation for contacting him, according to a source familiar with Papadopoulos’s thinking. That’s not just because of the randomness of the initial inquiry but because of questions Halper is said to have asked during their face-to-face meetings in London.

According to a source with knowledge of the meeting, Halper asked Papadopoulos: “George, you know about hacking the emails from Russia, right?”

http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/25/george-papadopoulos-london-emails/

Indictments to follow

Kakistocracy says

Four decades ago, Halper was responsible for a long-forgotten spying scandal involving the 1980 election, in which the Reagan campaign – using CIA officials managed by Halper, reportedly under the direction of former CIA Director and then-Vice-Presidential candidate George H.W. Bush – got caught running a spying operation from inside the Carter administration. The plot involved CIA operatives passing classified information about Carter’s foreign policy to Reagan campaign officials in order to ensure the Reagan campaign knew of any foreign policy decisions that Carter was considering.

So Halpern has done this type of shit before.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

So Halpern has done this type of shit before.

Yes for GB senior, the ultimate deep state douche.

It's no coincidence that Obama's deep state uses the same bad actors as GB. Bush, Obama, Clinton all on the same team.