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No they don’t. They are all cash and food stamps here.

I live here, I see it.

LeonDurham says

FortWayne says

Our schools are overcrowded and no money, it’s a lot of people who pay zero taxes to take care of.

They pay taxes. Gas tax, property tax (rent), sales tax, etc.

FortWayne says

No they don’t. They are all cash and food stamps here.

I live here, I see it.

They pay for gas with food stamps? Amazing. Rent too?

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Isn't Federal Personal Income Tax the largest single contributor to Federal Revenue ?

I thought we were just talking about tax. Because most welfare services that illegals would receive are local/state and not paid with Federal money.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Isn't Federal Personal Income Tax the largest single contributor to Federal Revenue ?

Why yes it is! I wonder if illegal aliens pay it.

LeonDurham says

most welfare services that illegals would receive are local/state and not paid with Federal money

So you're in favor of a tax system where people only pay into the troughs they actually use?

RafiMaas says

And payroll taxes are the second biggest contributor to federal revenue.

So it's okay to pay only the taxes you want to pay?

RafiMaas says

Republican Pro-illegal dairy

Because the owner's brother is Republican, it means the Dairy is Republican?

RafiMaas says

Let's set a good example and not be trolling.

?????????????

RafiMaas says

Is that a question or a statement?

It's a question to your statement "And payroll taxes are the second biggest contributor to federal revenue."

So what?

RafiMaas says

Are we trying to say the owner isn't Republican? Any proof?

I don't care about that. Rivera used a fake name, had a fake SSN number, and fake ID. The fact is he was criminally evading the system of checks, that's not a partisan GOP vs DNC issue, it's a criminal issue. I might have been tricked into hiring him (though I might have run him through e-verify). Doesn't mean I'm in favor of illegal aliens taking jobs from legal citizens.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/08/craig-lang-cristhian-rivera-mollie-tibbetts/

Goran_K says

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Isn't Federal Personal Income Tax the largest single contributor to Federal Revenue ?

Why yes it is! I wonder if illegal aliens pay it.

Are you suggesting the good law abiding christian trump voters are breaking the law by paying illegals under the table? I know, pelosi/obama made them do it.

LeonDurham says

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Isn't Federal Personal Income Tax the largest single contributor to Federal Revenue ?

I thought we were just talking about tax. Because most welfare services that illegals would receive are local/state and not paid with Federal money.

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So illegals are exempt from state income tax, sales tax, and property taxes (paid by rent). When did that policy start?

RafiMaas says

Is that what Republicans think? Maybe that's why Trump won't show his tax returns.

Democrats think Immigration laws are optional. That's literally the idea behind Sanctuary Cities.

We haven't seen this attempt to subvert Federal Laws since the Fugitive Slave Act.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Democrats think Immigration laws are optional. That's literally the idea behind Sanctuary Cities.

Once again-that's a strawman. Anytime you tell us what Dems believe, it's ALWAYS a strawman.

That is absolutely NOT the idea behind Sanctuary Cities.

bob2356 says

Are you suggesting the good law abiding christian trump voters are breaking the law by paying illegals under the table? I know, pelosi/obama made them do it.

If they do it knowingly, yes. Same with illegal hiring Democrats. See? That's what having morals looks like.

LeonDurham says

That is absolutely NOT the idea behind Sanctuary Cities.

Are illegals living in sanctuary cities breaking the law or not?

This is a Yes or No question.

Bonus question, what exactly IS the idea behind them?

MrMagic says

Are illegals living in sanctuary cities breaking the law or not?

Yes.

MrMagic says

Bonus question, what exactly IS the idea behind them?

"Leaders of sanctuary cities want to reduce the fear of deportation and possible family break-up among people who are in the country illegally, so that such people will be more willing to report crimes, use health and social services, and enroll their children in school."

LeonDurham says

Once again-that's a strawman. Anytime you tell us what Dems believe, it's ALWAYS a strawman.

The idea behind Sanctuary cities is to make immigration enforcement difficult.

Frankly, it's insulting to people's intelligence to act like Sanctuary City policies aren't put in place to make immigration enforcement difficult.

LeonDurham says

"Leaders of sanctuary cities want to reduce the fear of deportation and possible family break-up among people who are in the country illegally, so that such people will be more willing to report crimes, use health and social services, and enroll their children in school."

More Teaching and Social Work Jobs = More Dem Voters. Plus the grateful Immigrants. All paid for by suburban taxpayers, who are citizens or legal residents.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

And gain loyal voters.

I hope that's a joke.

Do you think these two statements are identical?

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Democrats think Immigration laws are optional.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

The idea behind Sanctuary cities is to make immigration enforcement difficult.

Libbies don't know their pants are on fire until they smell their pubies burning, then they start whimpering and crying and asking MOMEEE!!! to save them.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

More Teaching and Social Work Jobs = More Dem Voters. Plus the grateful Immigrants. All paid for by suburban taxpayers, who are citizens or legal residents.

So you think some folks are Republicans until they get a job teaching and then they somehow morph into a Dem?

And no, like I said earlier (although it may have been deleted by everyone's favorite moderator)--illegals pay sales tax, gas tax, property tax (rent), etc. etc. So they are paying their fair share of education costs.

LeonDurham says

I hope that's a joke.

. In fact, Democrats regularly brag about "demographic changes" that will create a permanent Democratic Majority.
https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2018/04/14/449461/americas-electoral-future-2/
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/trump-2016-election/528519/

LeonDurham says

Do you think these two statements are identical?

Don't know what you mean. Dems back illegal immigration and oppose any restrictions on it. Indeed, Democrats WANT illegals voting in local elections as San Francisco (and other heavily blue areas) demonstrated.

Aphroman says

What about Federal Cannabis Prohibition?

Yes, yes, we're all dying from Marijuana Prohibition and once we legalize it, we'll usher in unmatched propserity, world peace, and build a Hemp-powered rocket to Mars.

LeonDurham says

So you think some folks are Republicans until they get a job teaching and then they somehow morph into a Dem?

Straw Man. However, teachers are notoriously dedicated democrat voters and Teachers Unions are rabid funders of Democrats.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

LeonDurham says

Once again-that's a strawman. Anytime you tell us what Dems believe, it's ALWAYS a strawman.

The idea behind Sanctuary cities is to make immigration enforcement difficult.

Frankly, it's insulting to people's intelligence to act like Sanctuary City policies aren't put in place to make immigration enforcement difficult.

It is always a strawman. Most sanctuary city policies (there are a few outliers. are to make local law enforcement easier by engendering trust between illegals and local law enforcement. If that makes federal immigration enforcement more difficult then that is not the local officials problem.

bob2356 says

It is always a strawman. Most sanctuary city policies (there are a few outliers. are to make local law enforcement easier by engendering trust between illegals and local law enforcement. If that makes federal immigration enforcement more difficult then that is not the local officials problem.

Nonsense. They're there to keep illegals in the country. When Brown lowered the maximum penalty for misdemeanors from 365 to 364 days, that was a deliberate attempt to avoid triggering a Federal automatic deportation statute (anybody who serves a year in jail for a crime).

The whole "cooperate with local law enforcement" is a red herring excuse.

That hardly covers services they get.

They get handouts, services. They don’t pay income taxes.
If gas taxes are enough to pay for everything, hell let’s remove income taxes and property taxes.

LeonDurham says

FortWayne says

No they don’t. They are all cash and food stamps here.

I live here, I see it.

They pay for gas with food stamps? Amazing. Rent too?

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/democracy/reports/2018/04/14/449461/americas-electoral-future-2/
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/trump-2016-election/528519/

Like old people dying and the population getting younger and more educated? Not sure what your point is there.


TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Dems back illegal immigration and oppose any restrictions on it

Complete BS. That is a 100% lie. It's patently absurd. Once again I'm reminded that the next election is about truth vs. fiction. Lies vs. honesty.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Straw Man. However, teachers are notoriously dedicated democrat voters and Teachers Unions are rabid funders of Democrats.

I don't think you know what a strawman is. The point is that more teaching jobs doesn't create more Dems. Having babies creates Dems. More teachers just means there are jobs for those babies.

LeonDurham says

Complete BS. That is a 100% lie. It's patently absurd. Once again I'm reminded that the next election is about truth vs. fiction. Lies vs. honesty.

100% True.

We just had a girl murdered by an illegal. The reaction of the Press AND the Democrats: Talk about Separating "Families" at the Border, dismiss it as "Some girlf from Iowa", and use the biased Orwellian neologism "Undocumented" instead of the more accurate and widely understood "Illegal Alien".

We saw CNN and MSNBC commentators discussing how Toxic Masculinity, not Immigration, was responsible, and tried to create and equivalency between temporary separation to halt human smuggling and Murder.

.LeonDurham says

I don't think you know what a strawman is. The point is that more teaching jobs doesn't create more Dems. Having babies creates Dems. More teachers just means there are jobs for those babies.

Teachers don't overwhelmingly vote Democrat? Teachers Unions don't disproportionally give to Democrats? This is an extraordinary claim, please provide some evidence.

Educators are very different in political beliefs than the general public:
https://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2017/12/13/survey-paints-political-portrait-of-americas-k-12.html

FortWayne says

They pay for gas with food stamps? Amazing. Rent too?

You realize that trading Food Stamps for smokes and booze is quite common, yes?

"Hey Mister, If you buy me a 40, I'll buy ya $10 of stuff on my Oregon Trail Card. Whatta deal, Mister, c'mon."

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

You realize that trading Food Stamps for smokes and booze is quite common, yes?

"Hey Mister, If you buy me a 40, I'll buy ya $10 of stuff on my Oregon Trail Card. Whatta deal, Mister, c'mon."

You realize that nobody is trading food stamps for rent or gas, right?

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

100% True.

100% bullshit. 1000% bullshit. It's really sad that our political discourse has deteriorated to one side lying and the other side having to constantly correct it.

Everything that follows in your post is more BS. It's honestly no fun to post here anymore because it's not a back and forth of ideas and opinions, it's one side posting lies and BS and the other side trying to correct it.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

eachers don't overwhelmingly vote Democrat? Teachers Unions don't disproportionally give to Democrats? This is an extraordinary claim, please provide some evidence.

Did you read my post at all? That is not at all what I said. People who teach are ALREADY Dems. It doesn't matter how many teaching jobs there are--they will vote Dem whether they are teaching or working at Home Depot. Folks who go into teaching are typically college educated, who value education, care about children, etc. and those are Dem values. So, yes, teachers are more likely to vote Dem, but there is no cause and effect there.

Aphroman says

Tens of millions of Great Americans are taking a big fat dump on Trumps face with his ridiculous drug laws

I'm on your side of this argument 10,000% as far as marijuana legalization goes. But how does this fall at the feet of Trump? Congress can get off their ass at some point and take care of this in short order. THEN if Trump doesn't sign it, I'm with you. I personally think he'd sign a marijuana legalization bill if it was popular with the people (it is) and was sitting on his desk.

His life is an infinite popularity contest and if this were to come up prior to 2020, he'd sign it in a heartbeat. Signing a law like that could seriously flip 1-3% of Dem voters and would seal the deal on a 2nd term. Remember, the right leaning (church going) folks still had to vote for him to get him elected. So weed legalization would flip some of even the most ardent Trump bashers when you account for the church goers being cool with pussy grabbing and voting for him.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Nonsense. They're there to keep illegals in the country. When Brown lowered the maximum penalty for misdemeanors from 365 to 364 days, that was a deliberate attempt to avoid triggering a Federal automatic deportation statute (anybody who serves a year in jail for a crime).

The whole "cooperate with local law enforcement" is a red herring excuse.

Because you say so? It's true because I believe it should be true. Illegals could be all gone in la very short time. All that has to happen is to direct the Justice department to prosecute employers until no one will hire an illegal. But those libruls in the oval office and controlling both houses of congress don't seem to want to take that step. There is only one group keeping illegals in the country. Conservative who block every attempt to eliminate the jobs they are here for.

LeonDurham says

Folks who go into teaching are typically college educated, who value

reinterpreting everything within the context of race/gender/sexual orientation/all whites are racist/recycling

P N Dr Lo R says

reinterpreting everything within the context of race/gender/sexual orientation/all whites are racist/recycling

The only ones I ever see worrying about race/gender/sexual orientation are Trump cultists. The number of threads started by them talking about Trigglypuff or who goes to what bathroom is mind boggling.

P N Dr Lo R says

LeonDurham says

Folks who go into teaching are typically college educated, who value

reinterpreting everything within the context of race/gender/sexual orientation/all whites are racist/recycling

As opposed to reinterpreting everything within the context of race/gender/sexual orientation all muslims are terrorists, all mexicans are rapists, all blacks are on welfare, women belong int the kitchen or bedroom serving their man fags are all molesting boys?

LeonDurham says

You realize that nobody is trading food stamps for rent or gas, right?

Food stamps trade for cash regularly, which in turn is used for gas, rent, and other non-food items.

bob2356 says

P N Dr Lo R says

LeonDurham says

Folks who go into teaching are typically college educated, who value

reinterpreting everything within the context of race/gender/sexual orientation/all whites are racist/recycling

As opposed to reinterpreting everything within the context of race/gender/sexual orientation all muslims are terrorists, all mexicans are rapists, all blacks are on welfare, women belong int the kitchen or bedroom serving their man fags are all molesting boys?

Tyranny is the deliberate removal of nuance.

Congrats on your strawman.

bob2356 says

all muslims are terrorists

Sounds accurate to me.

LeonDurham says

You realize that nobody is trading food stamps for rent or gas, right?

Okay, so you concede that Food Stamps are abused now, yes?

You also realize it's possible for the mother and kids to be on welfare, but the father who lives with them to be an undeclared co-habitant who works off the books for cash-only, yes?

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

You also realize it's possible for the mother and kids to be on welfare, but the father who lives with them to be an undeclared co-habitant who works off the books for cash-only, yes?

Not just that, the father and mother may not even "legally" marry but live together, so the mother gets more benefits, or even both can claim benefits as separate entities.