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Guns versus healthcare

By tovarichpeter follow tovarichpeter   2019 Sep 6, 11:00am 278 views   14 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


1   OccasionalCortex   ignore (4)   2019 Sep 6, 11:25am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

William Gibson doesn't know that there are differences between apples and oranges, apparently.
2   socal2   ignore (1)   2019 Sep 6, 11:27am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"People who think the government will provide them with "guaranteed" and quality health care, haven't been to the DMV or the VA in a while"
3   tovarichpeter   ignore (2)   2019 Sep 6, 11:43am     ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

People who think private enterprise is efficient and benign have not heard about PG&E.
4   socal2   ignore (1)   2019 Sep 6, 11:47am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tovarichpeter says
People who think private enterprise is efficient and benign have not heard about PG&E.



For every PG&E, I can cite 100 fucked up and near-bankrupt government run municipalities or Federal bureaucracies.

BTW - PG&E is a union shop, so of course you are going to get lazy complacency, just like much of our government.
5   HEYYOU   ignore (34)   2019 Sep 6, 11:49am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The 2nd Amendment Solution eliminates the need for healthcare for the recently alive.
6   6rdB   ignore (0)   2019 Sep 6, 11:51am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tovarichpeter says
People who think private enterprise is efficient and benign have not heard about PG&E.

Luckily for all of us, private enterprises which are not politically well-connected go bankrupt rather quickly when they are inefficient. For politically connected ones, see Government efficiency.
7   CornPoptheOriginalGangster   ignore (5)   2019 Sep 6, 11:56am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Here's the difference.

A private doctor you pay has an obligation to treat you, medically.

The police you pay have no "duty to protect" and don't have to respond when you call 911.

Mature Individuals are responsible for their own well being, always have been. The kids call this "Adulting"
8   OccasionalCortex   ignore (4)   2019 Sep 6, 1:03pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tovarichpeter says
People who think private enterprise is efficient and benign have not heard about PG&E.

PG&E is not an example of 'private enterprise' but rather fascist economics (aka 'corporatism'). Under a fascist economy, the means of production remain in private hands but are so controlled by the State that the distinction between fascist vs socialist control is but mere words, pretty much. The main real difference is that profits (such as the State allows the corporation to dish out) still go to private shareholders vs the State itself.

Publicly regulated utilities are definite implementations of Fascist economics. In the US, we have been practicing 'Democratic Fascism' since the FDR's New Deal. Whereas Germany, Italy, Franco's Spain and Peron's Argentina practiced 'Totalitarian Fascism'.

But more in general, ANY company in even a 'private enterprise economy' that deals a lot or mostly with the government as its primary customer and especially over a long period of time become the example of poor efficiency and management you referred to with your PG&E comment. Defense & NASA contractors come to mind.
9   OccasionalCortex   ignore (4)   2019 Sep 6, 1:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HonkpilledMaster says
The kids call this "Adulting"


Actually, the adults who try to teach the kids about being adults refer to it as such. They have to in order to communicate the main point to the Millennial brats.
10   tovarichpeter   ignore (2)   2019 Sep 6, 1:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

“But more in general, ANY company in even a 'private enterprise economy' that deals a lot or mostly with the government as its primary customer and especially over a long period of time become the example of poor efficiency and management you referred to with your PG&E comment. Defense & NASA contractors come to mind”


Please name a major company in the U.S. That does NOT deal a lot or mostly with the U.S. government over a long period of time
11   clambo   ignore (5)   2019 Sep 6, 1:23pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

A gun in my hand is also a form of "insurance".

What fool would have the foresight to have a gun and figure out how to use it (point it away from yourself dummy) and not have the foresight to buy health insurance?

You better carry either pepper spray or a Glock 42 around to deter the scumbags who eventually will bother you or hurt or maim or kill you.

A homeless nut killed a nice woman a few years ago as she was walking to her little business downtown on Pacific Ave; he didn't know her or have any motive except killing.
12   OccasionalCortex   ignore (4)   2019 Sep 6, 1:34pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

tovarichpeter says
Please name a major company in the Zu.S. That does NOT deal a lot or mostly with the U.S. government over a long period of time


The vast majority of them don't. What planet do you live on? And most contractors for the government are not major companies (not that you defined what those were, so I get to use whatever definition I want. In this case, those with employees of 5,000 or less).

Oh wait! You didn't read what I wrote! I think you missed part: that deals a lot or mostly with the government as its primary customer

Paying taxes or complying with regulations or getting licenses are not acts that make the government a business' customer, primary or otherwise.

SELLING shit to the government does. Which is not easy to do, believe it or not. I worked at companies that had to wait for years for GSA contract approval to go through.

So if a pencil manufacturer sells primarily to a government (state/local/federal) and has done so for 20+ years, that is what we are talking about. But I know of no pencil manufacturer that does so. That doesn't mean that their pencils don't somehow wind up in a government bureaucracy's office supply shelves...they probably do, obviously. But not because they are the primary customer or even largest customer of that company. Nor does they company have an exclusive contract with that government in question. So they are not on this list. And companies like these far, far outnumber companies that do meet the criteria for "ANY company in even a 'private enterprise economy' that deals a lot or mostly with the government as its primary customer and especially over a long period of time become the example of poor efficiency and management you referred to with your PG&E comment."

Last: "U.S. government" . <-- PG&E is a regulated utility of the State of California, last time I checked. YOU brought up the PG&E example but restricted your followup challenge to my rebuttal to involve only 'US government', remember. So my reply to that is: WTF?

In fact, to your entire reply I ask: WTF?
13   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (0)   2019 Sep 6, 2:32pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

That's a false choice. Who says you can't have a gun AND medical insurance? Is the original complainer saying you can't have "guaranteed medical insurance" unless everyone is disarmed? Guaranteeing health insurance requires such onerous measures that the population would rebel if they had the means to do so? Given the choice of being poor in the USA or poor in Venezuela, I'll take the USA thank you.
14   steverbeaver   ignore (1)   2019 Sep 6, 10:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Clearly the idiot has not lived in White Supremacist centers like Detroit or Baltimore.

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