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Obvious false flag. There is (or rather was) a fucking POLICE STATION literally inside the building. There is an OMON (Soviet equivalent of SWAT) base in 5 minutes drive from there. Yet, there were no armed response for an hour or so. This is in the country where standing on the street corner with a BLANK piece of paper gets you arrested for "illegal demonstration" in less than 5 minutes, lol.

False flag to what end exactly? Certainly can't rule it out amidst the cacaphony. If Russia allowed it, but there must be a rallying goal of some kind. "First rule out the false flags." However, it does not seem likely.

Shooters seem to have the same zombified affect as Sirhan Sirhan, like, they were brainwashed and drugged. The stock in trade story that they did it for money seems bogus on its face. It seems to be a rather stupid and pointless act, whatever. They were also fleeing back to Ukraine.

CIA has been off the reservation since Kennedy. It does not act for the Republic at all. It acts for its own corporate hegemonies, criminal enterprises and Fourth Reich corporataocracies from Switzerland. They are the prime suspect as usual. Of course, they want to start WWIII for the Masonic Superplex to fulfill their insane plans and projections. We have lunatics purposely driving us off a cliff.

Eric Holder says

Obvious false flag. There is (or rather was) a fucking POLICE STATION literally inside the building. There is an OMON (Soviet equivalent of SWAT) base in 5 minutes drive from there. Yet, there were no armed response for an hour or so. This is in the country where standing on the street corner with a BLANK piece of paper gets you arrested for "illegal demonstration" in less than 5 minutes, lol.

Have to agree with this. Not necessarily false flag, but gross negligence at best/worst. The US had warned their personnel in Moscow of a potential threat and it wasn't covert. It's pointless to deflect and point fingers at whomever, they need to do their homework now and figure this out, with real evidence, and if not, then at least beef up security so this won't happen again. Russia would like nothing more than capture a US or Ukrainian operative in flagranti and demonstrate to the world how evil the West can be (and maybe rightfully so). Looks more like a fuck up to me and it's very sad for those who died, regardless of nationality. Or they let it happen, but in that case we're approaching tin foil hat territory real fast.

Coincidentally(don't believe in them in these circumstances), the armed personnel being referenced above showed up to work un-armed that day. Wouldn't put it past the Kremlin, but motive is unclear at this time. And as I pointed out, many US intel/military people are saying it's Ukraine and CIA. What's their motivation to lie against their own country, and possibly former colleagues?

Ceffer says

False flag to what end exactly?

Obvious: cut your aid to these Jew ISIS Ukies because Jew Nazi Ukies was't working.

Eric Holder says

Obvious false flag. There is (or rather was) a fucking POLICE STATION literally inside the building.

@"Eric Holder" - how do you know this?

I bet you don't. I bet you're just repeating bullshit, but I'm happy to be shown to be wrong.

Could have been a double whammy. There were people in the theater Putin wanted killed. He just got 80% of the supposed vote. 20% of Russians apparently don’t like him as there was no one else officially against him.

He now looks like this great leader in solving the attack. Russian intelligence paid them to kill some dissidents. Run to Ukraine to give more credit to a war that is unpopular after nearing 3 years.

I don’t care about the ratios but Russians are still losing men and equipment. It’s not a good look regardless if they “won” in Ukraine. Now they can make the excuse to use more excessive force besides WWII type munitions. They have non nuke bombs that could obliterate all of Ukraine in days. Counter productive, but they could.

mell says

Russia would like nothing more than capture a US or Ukrainian operative in flagranti and demonstrate to the world how evil the West can be (and maybe rightfully so).

Capturing a Ukrainian operative, yes, but not necessarily a US operative. As we have seen from the bombing of the NordStream pipeline, neither of the victims (Germany and Russia) wants to formally accuse the US of the terrorist act (really act of war) because neither wants to declare war on the US. Some of the deep state operatives (like Nuland) at the pay of the banksters are the ones trying to escalate conflict and ignite WWIII. The chaos-makers even try to throw Israel under the bus by initially having ISIS claim responsibility, as everyone in the diplomatic/intelligence circle knows that the handler of ISIS is Israel state intelligence services.

NuttBoxer says

Coincidentally(don't believe in them in these circumstances), the armed personnel being referenced above showed up to work un-armed that day. Wouldn't put it past the Kremlin, but motive is unclear at this time. And as I pointed out, many US intel/military people are saying it's Ukraine and CIA. What's their motivation to lie against their own country, and possibly former colleagues?

I agree that the people speaking out against (rogue) CIA and Ukraine elements are not lying. While false-flag operation by a modern state is always a possibility, I don't think Kremlin did it this time: Putin could have easily escalated after the drone bombings of Moscow buildings and the cross-border attacks into Russia proper that's been happening in the past year, no need to create a mass casualty event in a concert hall and risking being exposed by the shooters after they are caught. The guards being unarmed that day is likely the result of general low state of alertness/arming in a country that does not allow citizens to carry guns everywhere. The normal policemen in UK are not armed either, quite unlike in the US. In a country where private gun ownership rate is low to nearly non-existent, having police/guards carrying fire-arms at all time would actually increase the overall-risk (having guns stolen or grabbed and turned against the police/guards themselves).

I don't know exactly what it is, but there was some sort of armed force working that building who came to work that day without their guns. Definitely worth looking into.

RWSGFY says

Obvious: cut your aid to these Jew ISIS Ukies because Jew Nazi Ukies was't working.

LOL! Notice, the banksters are trying to throw Israel under the bus by initially having ISIS claiming responsibility for the mass killing. Everyone in the diplomatic/intelligence circles knows that the handler for ISIS is Israeli state intelligence services. I have been saying it for quite a while now, the latest scheme among the bankster cabal seems to be escalating conflicts and harvesting allies'/useful tools' bank accounts. We have been seeing that since the strict enforcement of jabs in Israel a couple years ago, the "accidental" bombing of Afghan translators and abandoning the other collaborators to vicious Afghan street violence/vengence, goading Ukrainians to attack Russian-speakers then Russia itself, bombing of the NordStream, etc.. All these developments are signaling that the banksters are trying to kill formerly privileged "allies" and "useful idiots" so their bank accounts can be harvested too. i.e. the gullible allies, especially the psychopaths/sociopaths among them, worked for a promise of money but most of the money never left the bank. Fundamentally, every single human being can be farmed like a cattle (behind every predator is another bigger predator); it's only the shared humanity and empathy for one another that prevents people from eating each other alive. Should have been obvious after the insider-scams like Bernie Madoff and hundreds years history of false Messiahs.

WookieMan says

Could have been a double whammy. There were people in the theater Putin wanted killed. He just got 80% of the supposed vote. 20% of Russians apparently don’t like him as there was no one else officially against him.

That makes little sense. If Putin wanted to kill a specific person, he could send his intelligence service to have the person suicided at home or in the car, like that Boeing whistle-blower's alleged suicide in his car in South Carolina before scheduled court testimony. 80% of popular votes is a very high rate; not a single US president has received 80% of popular votes in general election. Even if Putin wanted to get rid of the other 20%, shooting at random in a concert hall is likely end up killing far more supporters than the opposition.

He now looks like this great leader in solving the attack. Russian intelligence paid them to kill some dissidents. Run to Ukraine to give more credit to a war that is unpopular after nearing 3 years.

Russians mostly know who did it: the (possibly rogue elements of) CIA and other DC swamp-lead (globalist bankster) intelligence recruiting useful idiots on the ground. Putin doesn't want to declare war on the US so can't officially place the blame where it belongs; that actually doesn't make him look great in the eyes of Russian ultra-nationalists. That is likely the reason why the Nuland-Kagan gang of Neonazis/Neocons have planned the terrorist attack to begin with: after the scheme to use more western-leaning elements to overthrow Putin has failed, time to agitate the ultra-nationalists to overthrow Putin if he doesn't escalate the conflict. There is little chance of succeeding there either.

I don’t care about the ratios but Russians are still losing men and equipment. It’s not a good look regardless if they “won” in Ukraine. Now they can make the excuse to use more excessive force besides WWII type munitions. They have non nuke bombs that could obliterate all of Ukraine in days. Counter productive, but they could.

The war in Ukraine over the past two years has proved that it's impossible to defeat Russian army (and harvest Russian treasury like during the over throw of the Tsar by bankster-financed communists a century ago) without direct and formal US military invasion (even then, "success" would be thermonuclear war killing almost all bank account holders all over the world, along with most banksters themselves, and the humanity in aggregate). So the latest scheme seems to be aggravating the Russians enough that they would take over more and more parts of Ukraine, Poland, Baltics, etc., wiping out bank account holders there while making a new Russian empire spread out too thin again and ungovernable. The "success" of this scheme is once again at the cost of millions of deaths.

If you read through the OP, Americans mostly know who did it too. At least the intelligence and military do, and they aren't pointing at Russia or Isis...

Reality says

Even if Putin wanted to get rid of the other 20%, shooting at random in a concert hall is likely end up killing far more supporters than the opposition.

Not true. Think BLM here in the states. We know where they are. Neighborhoods they are in. If it were necessary were could easily stage an attack. We do the opposite and let them rage.... But if we wanted to eliminate BLM there are violent and non-violent ways. Russia used a violent way. Obviously I have no proof, but there's no point in the US or CIA in killing civilians in a Russian theater. Nor Ukraine.

100% of us don't know Russian society on the ground TODAY. If there's a neighborhood/area where Russia/Putin knows a lot of people don't like him, AFTER A RECENT "ELECTION" where 50% of them didn't vote for Putin in that area, what do you think is going to happen?? There's a reason to every attack besides being a sociopath.

He hires out Islamic terrorist, makes sure there's no armed guards and kills a bunch of people that were against him. How could the US or Isreal unarm the guards if that's there job??? They run to Ukraine and he blames it on them because there's still a lot of Muslim in Russia. It's a win win from his perspective. Rallies the populous, doesn't dig at the Muslims and can blame Ukraine.

Also 80% is statistically impossible in any culture voting wise if there's an opponent, as was the case in Russia. Out of 10 of your best friends more than 2 for sure don't like you, but you all still hang out because the other friends like each other and you get along well enough. Putin had ZERO opposition on the ballot and STILL lost 20% of the vote. When it comes to a dictator actually putting election results out and 20% didn't pick him, if true, that's a problem.

Putin has more than 2 friends that don't like him.... that's my point. It's not hard to find an area of opposition and knock a bunch out even if there were pro Putin people there. The pro Putin people stay on board because the terrorist fled to Ukraine. Putin is the hero and caught them. Ukraine bad so keep fighting. Trust me, you don't see or hear from real Russians online or TV. They're puppets. No different than our media and websites.

"Occam's Razor is weak in these Putin haters, Cricket." Putin has nothing to gain by provoking himself. He has plenty of provocation, too much in fact, from NATO et alia and the banksters trying to start WWIII. If anything, he is showing restraint.

Which is weird to say about a KGB dictator...

NuttBoxer says

Which is weird to say about a KGB dictator...

Putin was a relatively minor member of the KGB.

Remember, George H. Bush was head of the CIA as CIA director, and it was after his presidency we started engaging in endless wars and our presidents all enacted the same fucking policies regardless of who became president with the only exception being trivial social issues which really don't matter.

richwicks says

George W. Bush was head of the CIA

You mean the older Bush, W's father.

Patrick says

You mean the older Bush, W's father.

Yes, I do. I corrected it and thanks for pointing it out. That's odd, I didn't mistake the two, I'm just not used to typing "George H. Bush".