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2008 Jan 9, 12:12am   30,002 views  315 comments

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From patrick.net reader M.K.

Last time I visited Stockton (4415 Abruzzi Circle, Stockton, CA), I saw an entire row of houses for sale. But only one home was listed in mlslistings.com. I discussed this with a broker, she told me only 1 in 27 homes are listed in mlslistings.com. If you want to get the full list, you need to go to RE Max, Prudential Realtors, their web sites. The realtors play this game to avoid public panic.

Real Estate market in US is really corrupt, because of these realtors. Its heading for big time correction after 15 year run.

Every time i meet a realtor, just for fun, I ask one question, is this best time to buy a house? Many realtors say this is excellent time to buy. Many times just I cannot control my laugh for their answers (but I ask every realtor that question) . Next time I will send you video clips. I thought of asking when is the terrible time to buy a house? But my friend said, you should not ask such questions, it shows you are not interested in buying.

#housing

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81   DinOR   2008 Jan 10, 12:05am  

"Talk to your prescriber"

You know what you need, who knows your own body better than you? We all know that doctors are just con-artists in white lab coats, so cut out the middle man and deal with us directly! You don't need therapy or counseling! You just need our drugs.

82   DinOR   2008 Jan 10, 12:11am  

So I guess Tata Motors is delivering a 100,000 rupee ($2,500) auto-mo...thing? I guess environmentalists are up in arms as this means MILLIONS more Indians will be able to afford to drive!

(Not to mention the onset of American-style obesity!) What's the big deal?

In Oregon we have a saying: A logger is a guy that dreams of one day having a "cabin in the woods" (an environmentalist... ALREADY has one!)

83   Patrick   2008 Jan 10, 12:38am  

Randy, I'm also glad you're back!

Patrick

84   Malcolm   2008 Jan 10, 1:33am  

Thanks DinOR. I'm actually very surprised I haven't heard anyone in the media be disturbed by this new even more blatant marketing of pushing drugs onto our society and trying to undermine the role of a doctor. Trying to get the label 'prescriber' to stick degrades their profession down to just being a legal drug dealer. It is even more sinister because it is 'pull' marketing strategy. Pharma no longer needs to sell the doctors on effectiveness to then prescribe to someone, the idea like you said is to sell directly to the masses who now view the doctor as nothing more than the source. Then after being convinced they just doctor shop. It's disgusting.

85   e   2008 Jan 10, 1:38am  

If Atherton, Woodside and Hillsborough are not “prime” what is? The free Public Schools in Burlingame and Hillsborough have been good since well before I was born and the odds are good they will remain good at least until anyone that buys today sends their kids to college

But none of them are Cupertino are they?

They don't have the star power of Monta Vista where families are so desperate to enroll, that multiple families live in one house. And we're not talking about strawberry pickers either.

The insanity...

86   Malcolm   2008 Jan 10, 1:43am  

OK, so gold went up when the Fed raised interest rates, now that they cut rates it went up some more. No I'm not seeing irrational exuberance, just getting ready to pull the ejection handle.

87   DinOR   2008 Jan 10, 1:54am  

Malcom,

I think I see what you mean by "pull marketing" b/c even Rite-Aid/CVS and the other drug purveyors are circumventing the doc's by saying their pharmacy tech knows how to cross check your medications for drug inter-actions!

Plus, a lot of people won't need to take a certain medication for life! Without proper guidance, how will the gen. public know when it's safe to discontinue using a medication? Oh... I guess they wouldn't want you to know that...

88   Randy H   2008 Jan 10, 2:36am  

Patrick,

Thanks. Too much blogging can distort one's perspective on things, myself being no exception. I'm not sure if regulars here realize just how incredibly unique they are amid the masses, but I am more sure now than ever.

Some "genius" on CNBC earlier this morning -- one which was supposedly so wise that everyone was fawning over him -- stated "Absolutely nobody anywhere saw this credit crisis coming or had any clue it would be this bad".

I just sighed.

Make sure you have a nice backup of all these archives stored somewhere safe. If for no other reason than perhaps you can submit them to some economic historian in 25 years for research.

89   Randy H   2008 Jan 10, 2:44am  

Malcolm

I believe gold is being treated as a currency versus an asset (ala Mish), and further that interest-rate-parity is not largely driving FX at present. Things have given way to expectations of growth and other fundamentals like balances of trade and capital flows. That explains the GBP versus EUR, and why the EUR has not gained more on the USD. I view IRP as more of a weak-gravitational force that pulls currency rates back towards their theoretical interest-rate expression, but other forces are stronger in the short term and can bounce rates well away from the IRP forward computation. For example, a US recession could well weaken the EUR against the USD, which seems counter intuitive given the two banks' rate policies.

90   Malcolm   2008 Jan 10, 3:09am  

DinOR, actually that is a different value add that those pharmacies are providing. Pull marketing is a specific strategy where you actually spend a lot of money to advertise directly to the end user to get them to demand the products from the middleman. Now big pharma is looking at doctors as being an inconvenient barrier so they are, like you said, convincing people they know better than the doctors.
What the pharmacies are doing is trying to differentiate themselves so that someone will chose them over other pharmacies and that is perfectly fine. It's the drug companies themselves that I have the problem with. It's outright drug peddling what they are doing.

91   Malcolm   2008 Jan 10, 3:16am  

Nice to see you again Randy, I have missed our fun conversations. Even when I don't agree with you, I always respect your original insight and well structured points.

You will forgive my ignorance but I don't know what IRP stands for. I'd like to hear more about your view on the international influences since that is not my comfort zone and you've obviously got a clear idea of a process in motion right now.

92   Malcolm   2008 Jan 10, 3:17am  

Randy H Says:
January 10th, 2008 at 10:36 am
"Patrick,
Thanks. Too much blogging can distort one’s perspective on things, myself being no exception. I’m not sure if regulars here realize just how incredibly unique they are amid the masses, but I am more sure now than ever."

That's what keeps me coming back.

93   skibum   2008 Jan 10, 3:31am  

Breaking news on the wires: BofA is planning to buy CFC...

94   HiThere   2008 Jan 10, 3:35am  

BOA is buying Countrywide!

95   DinOR   2008 Jan 10, 4:01am  

skibum,

Don't they already... kind of "own" them?

One of my secret fantasies is Valerie Bertinelli becoming a cocktail waitress to work off her debt to the casino (pre-Jenny days of course)

96   Randy H   2008 Jan 10, 4:15am  

IRP = interest rate parity
CIRP = covered interest rate parity

The theoretical exchange rate between two currencies (going from memory here) is the amount that allows one to cover the forward interest rate in order to eliminate interest rate arbitrage between the two currencies. You are not supposed to be able to create a synthetic currency forward (borrow in one currency to buy the other) in order to arbitrage a forward in that currency, by CIRP. But uncovered interest rate parity--IRP--doesn't hold in the real world or there couldn't be a yen carry trade, for example.

That's about my limit of real world knowledge. The rest is all bond market sorta stuff. Currencies will be pulled away from IRP by expectations of growth and recession, among other factors.

And there's also the nominal-rate versus real-rate discrepancy which 3 central banks enjoy: Fed, BoJ and ECB. Those banks can force a nominal rate to diverge from the rest-of-the-world's market real rate.

Without rambling on, I think we're looking at a stealth-ZIRP policy being enacted right now. Things will get much worse before they get better, I'm afraid.

97   OO   2008 Jan 10, 4:36am  

Gold has several independent factors that influence its price, only when it is able to break these relationships one by one can it really become the ultimate safe harbor and store of wealth it is destined to be. It broke these relationships one by one in the last few years.

First relationship was with USD. I started building my position in late 2003. It had a perfectly inverse relationship with USD, USD strengthened, it went down, I didn't need to look at the gold quotes, all I needed to do is to look at the USD index. It broke that pattern in 2005 as USD went into a short-term consolidation against all currencies when Bush implemented the one-time relief on all repatriation of corporate profit overseas.

It has another leg in Yen. When Yen went up, gold came down, and this has been very true in all the previous Yen unwinding rehearsals particularly in 2006. It broke that pattern in late 2007. Higher Yen is no longer able to pull gold down to break the upward channel, it marched on no matter what Yen was.

These two breaks marked the emergence of gold as the real money. Interest rate is just one dimension of how money is printed. USD injection in the scale of billions and trillions is happening every day without lowering interest rate. When gold breaks the pattern with the currencies, that means it is seen as a more authoritative recognition as the store of wealth. But it will never be the replacement for transaction because it is simply impractical to go back to gold standard.

Another important relationship gold has is with oil. So far, this link is still fairly strong, but it is not following every dip in oil, like today. And gold is less and less dependent on the oil movement, although I won't say the pattern is broken yet.

When gold does break the pattern of following oil, it will shoot up to unbelievable heights. I am not a gold bug believing in gold standard, but I think right now, I would much rather store my hard earned "wealth" in hard assets like gold, oil, agricultural commodities than any printable currencies. Among all the printable currencies, I would rather prefer AUD, which is a commodity-based currency, and its short-term government bond is giving me a current yield of 7+% per year ignoring the potential gains (or loss, much less likely) in currency appreciation.

98   sa   2008 Jan 10, 4:58am  

BOA is buying Countrywide!

BofA is doing what Countrywide was doing a few months back. We will be here to find out if it was a deal.

99   HelloKitty   2008 Jan 10, 5:03am  

Who knows how much debt/risk bofa just swallowed? impossible to say.

I'm so bad at day trading...i bought cfc at 5.50 yesterday (then it hits 4.50). then i lose nerve and dump it all at my buy in price, hours later its at 8.....sigh... I will leave day trading to the pros and continue making money doing actual labor.

100   OO   2008 Jan 10, 5:21am  

It doesn't matter how much debt/risk bofa has, this is just a financial socialism. Under financial socialism, nobody gets hurt (except for the small guys), everyone will get bailed out. The ability to monetize debt under financial socialism is infinite.

101   OO   2008 Jan 10, 5:22am  

It doesn’t matter how much debt/risk bofa has, this is just a financial soci-alism. Under financial soci-alism, nobody gets hurt (except for the small guys), everyone will get bailed out. The ability to monetize debt under financial soci-alism is infinite.

102   Peter P   2008 Jan 10, 5:30am  

Damn, I am looking to buy more gold and the price keeps going higher and higher. :(

103   DinOR   2008 Jan 10, 5:45am  

Hello Kitty,

I.... dunno? Why feel bad about it? After watching American Home Mortgage slide to like 24 cents I'm sure not going to fault you! Besides, what's CFC's book value? As far as I'm concerned their RE holdings would be about all they're worth anyway.

104   HelloKitty   2008 Jan 10, 6:02am  

yes the 'cfc going under' really did seem to not pass the 'too good to be true rule'.

i have dreams of them going under laying off 100% of staff.......were Im from (ventura co) thats equal to AAPL and GOOG going under to bay area. they are #1 employer in ventura county. massive impact on housing if they do an American Home bk.

105   DinOR   2008 Jan 10, 6:20am  

HK,

Hardly analytical but... HP had them #1 in their Dead Pool by a huge margin. I had no idea they had that large a workforce there locally? This is an awful situation for those people.

106   PermaRenter   2008 Jan 10, 6:23am  

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke said Thursday the central bank was prepared to cut interest rates as needed. What will the Fed do when it meets on Jan. 29-30?

Cut rates by 0.75% or more 9%
Cut rates by 0.50% 52%
Cut rates by 0.25% 34%
Hold or raise rates 5%

21364 Votes to date

107   PermaRenter   2008 Jan 10, 6:25am  

Industry Comments on Tata Motors Nano Car, worlds cheapest car

Today was a big day for India’s biggest car maker as Reuters reports that Tata Motors showed their new Nano car at the 2008 Delhi Motor Show. The whole of the auto industry have been commenting on what is said to be the worlds cheapest car, the price of the Tata Nano has been priced at 100,000 rupees, that’s just $2,500.

108   PermaRenter   2008 Jan 10, 6:25am  

Some of the comments that have been coming have been very positive, like how Tata has kept to their promise with the cheap price and the style of it as well. Many people also commented that there is a huge market for vehicles between motorcycles and a small car just like this.

Many people in the industry have also said that this is a piece of history, and that they are delighted that it is an Indian that chooses to lead the way.

109   HelloKitty   2008 Jan 10, 6:36am  

CFC does thier loan servicing and has IT dept/insurance in ventco/calabasas area. Most of the layoffs have been useless mortgage brokers probably(no loans to write).

I really do not have the mindset to own stocks. It ruins my sleep. Im still trying to switch from etrade and I was researching and found out they consider me a 'big fish'- 900k. in ca that is average. I got all that dough from the RE lottery (although to get that from the atual lotto you have to win 1.8m) anyway....my CD's have performed remarkly 'on target'. BofA should give me 2b to invest (in cd's) and thier 5% return would be better than what theyve been doing (buying cfc @18 for 2b).

110   StuckInBA   2008 Jan 10, 6:38am  

Yesterday it was Capital One. Today it is American Express.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080110/american_express_outlook.html

111   ThomasP   2008 Jan 10, 6:38am  

"BofA is planning to buy CFC…"

Easy there boys...

One this is a rumor! and not a public statement.
We dont know if this will ever be...

Second.. even public statements on M&A do not go through and are cancelled.

112   StuckInBA   2008 Jan 10, 6:39am  

So I expect the CFC induced orgy to end very quickly in stock market. A surprise cut is needed at this point.

113   StuckInBA   2008 Jan 10, 6:41am  

I meant to say ...

A "surprise" cut is expected at this point.

114   DinOR   2008 Jan 10, 6:52am  

PermaRenter,

I found that incredibly interesting! Now... I can't picture that being a "5 seater" but hey, whatever right? It seems Tata is into everything, telecom, chemicals etc.

I don't know what all the alarm is about? It's not like they're going to use them to make a bunch of seperate trips like WE... do!

115   HelloKitty   2008 Jan 10, 6:54am  

Maybe the next bubble will not be 'alt engergy' but instead another stock bubble? To go from 'daytrading tech stocks' to 'selling homes to each other' then back to 'day trading stocks' sounds about right for an economy with a small manufacturing base. But in a recession this cant happen?

anyway i gave up trying to get richer quicker when i sold my POS rental homes to chumps 2 years ago. Now I live the Patrick Killea Lifestyle™ of the independent IT contractor who works half the year and blogs too much. Its awsome! Thanks Patrick!!!

116   StuckInBA   2008 Jan 10, 7:11am  

It seems Tata is into everything, telecom, chemicals etc.

Tata is like GE of India. Also, there are many companies in the whole complex that completely independent - have their own stock etc. They just use Tata in their name - as they can trace their origin back to the Tata family.

Most companies are managed very well, conservatively and are generally respected.

117   DennisN   2008 Jan 10, 7:22am  

So, due to the fact that analog photography has been replaced by digital photography, is silver no longer quite as bright an investment?

There still is a whole lot of silver in the ground here in Idaho. Up in Silver Valley over 1 Billion (!) ounces of silver have already been extracted. I'm sure there's lots more where that came from.

118   PermaRenter   2008 Jan 10, 7:27am  

Megan Meier, a 13-year-old suburban St. Louis girl who committed suicide after receiving cruel messages on her MySpace page. The task force includes public safety and mental health professionals, lawyers and legislators.

Megan's suicide occurred in October 2006 but drew attention last year after her mother went public. The teen thought she was communicating online with a teenage boy named Josh, who turned out to be a fictional character in a hoax. A neighborhood mother, Lori Drew, and two girls played a role in the hoax.

Prosecutors declined to charge anyone, in part because no specific laws appeared to apply. But some communities, including Megan's hometown of Dardenne Prairie, have adopted or are considering adopting laws to go after those involved in Internet bullying.

119   PermaRenter   2008 Jan 10, 7:27am  

Drew's attorney, Jim Briscoe, has said the girls designed the fictional boy's account and sent the messages to Megan. Drew wasn't aware of the hurtful messages sent just prior to Megan's suicide, he has said. Other Internet users also joined in with cruel taunts before her death.

120   ThomasP   2008 Jan 10, 7:28am  

CFC --- Full Time Employees: 54,655
That does not include temps and consultants on site that will be impacted..
those folks may been impacted early I would say conservativly at 5% of total workforce 10% during the boom or 6K that already got or will get axed.

Add to that the vendors outside the company, the small ones, where 25% or more of their business comes from CFC... They get hit!

And from what I recall in the media $6M/month of advertising dollar going to Yahoo and/or Google goes away.

This is a ripple effect!!!

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