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humanity says

What kind of asshole pussy starts a fist fight, and then when he's losing
pulls out a gun and murders the other guy ?

so, maybe the white victims of the crowds chanting "for trevon", or the WW2 vet, has done something to DESERVE to be targets??? and in your opinion if they did anything that makes them the targets of angry black males, well then they had better not protect themselves, and they better take the death beating they deserve.. right? School Yard Bully rules is what you are dreaming of, and Sam Colt took steps to make sure that aint happening in America.

humanity says

But even if you're right Bap, why is it that you think those people who complained about Zimmerman not being arrested (and later being acquitted),
should now be talking about black murderers who are arrested and who will be found guilty ?

It makes no sense. Is this a popular line of thought on hate radio ?

I guess on some radio stations pedaling hate and racism is a good way to make those advertising dollars.

nope. The court of public opinion was in session for GZ and TM because it helped the anti-gun, anti-white male, anti-American group that is headed by Obama to push theor agenda with the help of the media.
You didn't say anything when Obama said, "those cops acted stupidly", when the cop was 100% right. You didn't say anything when Obama said, "if I had a son he would look like trevon" ... oh yea? Every kinky haired, wide nosed, negro looking murdering thug in the past 2,000 years would also look like Obama's son, brother, or daddy.

Here's the fact: The liberal mind is deviant. Liberalism is a mental disorder. American born negros have no excuse, no matter what racebaitors like Sharpton tells them.

wow ... the media has went stone silent on every murdering negro story. Complete silence.

On the other hand, the negro in the white house is about to murder some arabs, and that will get major air time.

It's sickening to imagine the demoncrats are going to use a war to keep the truth about murdering negros off the air ways.

Bap33 says

wow ... the media has went stone silent on every murdering negro story. Complete silence.

On the other hand, the negro in the white house is about to murder some arabs, and that will get major air time.

It's sickening to imagine the demoncrats are going to use a war to keep the truth about murdering negros off the air ways.

I love this stuff - bap33 hits it out of the park again!

Seeing as this so eloquently expresses the core of conservative philosophy, I nominate this for BestOf.

CaptainShuddup says

There is no racism in America and everyone knows it.

Well except for the Liberal narrative

hahaha. wow.

Bap33 says

It's sickening to imagine the demoncrats are going to use a war to keep the truth about murdering negros off the air ways.

No what's actually sick is the right wing media talking up stories of violence that never went outside of local news before. Why ?

Because they know their audience is as intellectually and emotionally challenged as Bap is.

They are trying to appeal to the racist idiots who want to claim that if you're going to complain about a white guy shooting a black kid (AND NOT GETTING ARRESTED INITIALLY, AND LATER BEING ACQUITTED), that then... you should also be yelling about black violence done by black kids who are arrested and will do heavy time for their crimes.

Right, Sharpton and others, they were bothered by a white guy shooting a black kid. It had nothing to do with his not being arrested, or his being arrested later and acquired.

I wish you would comprehend my point here at least once. But I know, you don't want to leave your stupidity bubble.

humanity says

They are trying to appeal to the racist idiots who want to claim that if you're going to complain about a white guy shooting a black kid (AND NOT GETTING ARRESTED INITIALLY, AND LATER BEING ACQUITTED), that then... you should also be yelling about black violence done by black kids who are arrested and will do heavy time for their crimes.

All things being equal.
Had Zimmerman's case not been hijacked and botched by attention seeking forward thinking, career minded Liberals from the police department to the prosecutors office, to community organizers, who distorted the facts and made it about race.

George was never charged with the crime he actually committed, until the eleventh hour of his trial. After the Prosecutor and Judge saw they did a shitty job of painting George as some pyscho demented hate filled racist cracker, they initially charged him as. Only before the jury adorned did the judge change the language of Zimmerman's charge to be that of negligence or even manslaughter. They called him a first degree racist murderer from the get go.

If I were Zimmerman I'd be thanking the meddling botching Liberals more than his sympathy supporters or anyone on the right.
Because had Zimmerman been charged with gross negligence, the right would have been more about following the letter of the Law. But then the Left would have made it their mission to NOT allow a Latino kid get unjustly prosecuted for serving his community.

Perspective is a Bitch!

CaptainShuddup says

But then the Left would have made it their mission to NOT allow a Latino kid get unjustly prosecuted for serving his community.

Yeah right.

CaptainShuddup says

Perspective is a Bitch!

I think I would have to be a John Birch lesbian satirist writer for the onion to get a handle on your perspective.

CaptainShuddup says

Had Zimmerman's case not been hijacked and botched by attention seeking forward thinking, career minded Liberals from the police department to the prosecutors office, to community organizers, who distorted the facts and made it about race.

IT was really much much simpler than that. Black communities, black radio stations and publications got wind of this (especially it was Zimmerman's not even being arrested that struck a nerve), and they didn't let it go. It built up in that community until it spilt over to the regular media - which led to arguments like those that occurred here. A lot of fairly intelligent people thought, what the fuck ? Not even charged with anything ? Seems like maybe Martin was just a kid trying to get home. etc,,,,

Whether you agree with it or not, it's really not much more complicated than that.

(perspective is everything - some of us have balanced perspective)

IT was not as the racists (including yourself) want to suggest that the issue was a white (or non black) guy shooting a black kid. It was the perception that many people thought it was okay. (hence no arrest)

Nobody is claiming that black teens or adults committing terrible murders since then is okay. In fact 100% of everyone says, fuck that, send them away to prison forever !! Only an extremely intellectually challenged racist is gonna say, "Duh, how come Sharpton and Jesse aren't saying anything about these murder committed by blacks ?"

Don't worry, if they weren't even arrested, you would hear plenty of intense outrage from everywhere.

Except they were all wrong. Zimmerman committed no crime whatsoever and in fact defended himself against the assault Trayvon Martin was committing.

Trayvon had shitty parents who failed to instruct him to call the cops when he was in danger. Instead Trayvon confronted and attacked George Zimmerman(who realistically posed no physical threat to TM from TM's perspective) Trayvon Martin was a POS human being and karma bit him in the ass at a young age. Everyone defending Martin has it twisted and can't see beyond their own racism and/or bias.

Far more likely that Zimmerman confronted Martin. But hey,...you're the objective one here that, for reasons only having to do with your logic and good heart, believes...

dodgerfanjohn says

Trayvon Martin was a POS human being and karma bit him in the ass at a young age. Everyone defending Martin has it twisted and can't see beyond their own racism and/or bias.

Huh,..you're kind of like Zimmerman. You have magical powers that enable you to know when someone is a piece of shit human who deserves to die.

I rest my case.

The rock bottom truth.
If only Trayvon had decided to call the police instead of confronting Zimmerman.

dodgerfanjohn says

Trayvon had shitty parents who failed to instruct him to call the cops when he was in danger

marcus says

Far more likely that Zimmerman confronted Martin. But hey,...you're the objective one here that, for reasons only having to do with your logic and good heart, believes...

dodgerfanjohn says

Trayvon Martin was a POS human being and karma bit him in the ass at a young age. Everyone defending Martin has it twisted and can't see beyond their own racism and/or bias.

Huh,..you're kind of like Zimmerman. You have magical powers that enable you to know when someone is a piece of shit human who deserves to die.

I rest my case.

Facts bore out that Zimmerman did not in fact confront Martin.

Why do you hate the facts of this case so much that you deny their existence?

To some Zimmerman's story is fact. To others it's the story of a guy who very easily may be trying to avoid going to prison for a very very long time. The only witnesses are witnesses to a fight after it started.

Maybe you and I define "confronted" differently.

marcus says

To some Zimmerman's story is fact. To others it's the story of a guy who very easily may be trying to avoid going to prison for a very very long time. The only witnesses are witnesses to a fight after it started.

Maybe you and I define "confronted" differently.

look at this asshole, he's still going!

stop talking about Trayvon. that thug is gone and buried in the ground for weeks already and you libtards continue to parade his corpse around in some retarded attempt to claim racism.

guy got popped trying to knock someone out. most clear cut case of self defense ever. i wish trayvon would have tried to attack me, i would have put the bullet in his brain, multiple times!

John Bailo says

Getting out of the car with a loaded weapon in pursuit of a citizen who was on his own private property violated the law right then and there.

Not a crime. A lot of people think its smart to have a concealed loaded weapon on their person at all times. The FL law agreed with GZ.

I'm not sure what prosecuting 90 year old men for crimes they committed ~70 years ago has to do with this, but it's very telling how far you're stretching your anti white bias if that's the best you can come up with to show that whites are just as violent as blacks.

I'm still waiting on the civil suit filed by TM's parents. Perhaps since they know they have no case, this matter will just die down and GZ can live his life as normally as possible.

Even Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have moved on.

foxmannumber1 says

John Bailo says

Getting out of the car with a loaded weapon in pursuit of a citizen who was on his own private property violated the law right then and there.

Not a crime. A lot of people think its smart to have a concealed loaded weapon on their person at all times. The FL law agreed with GZ.

I'm not sure what prosecuting 90 year old men for crimes they committed ~70 years ago has to do with this, but it's very telling how far you're stretching your anti white bias if that's the best you can come up with to show that whites are just as violent as blacks.

I'm still waiting on the civil suit filed by TM's parents. Perhaps since they know they have no case, this matter will just die down and GZ can live his life as normally as possible.

Not to mention that Zimmerman was not pursuing Martin when Zimmerman exited the car.

Why do John Bailo and Marcus hate the consideration of all relevant facts taken in context?

John Bailo says

Forget about the fight...no one really saw what happened.

The only facts are these -- a deranged man sat in his car stalking kids for a year and finally went after one with a gun.

+1

dodgerfanjohn says

Why do John Bailo and Marcus hate the consideration of all relevant facts taken in context?

How can you not see your own extreme prejudice ?

dodgerfanjohn says

Trayvon Martin was a POS human being and karma bit him in the ass at a young age

Goran_K says

Even Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have moved on.

True, but there are a lot of right wing retards who think it's hypocritical for them not to speak out every time a black kid murders a white person. Regardless of the fact that NOBODy is claiming that the victims deserved it, or that the murderers are not guilty of murder.

So where's the comparison to Zimmerman/ Martin? I know where it is, and it only speaks to the stupidity and racism of those calling those guys hypocrites.

(Note: If you still hold that Zimmerman's acquittal was fair, that's fine. It has nothing to do with my point. If you are fair - and even if you are right - you should be capable of at least seeing that there is a legitimate argument to be made that Zimmerman should have been found guilty of at least manslaughter. Again, that is even if you are correct in your thinking. )

None of these heinous crimes people bring up are ones where anyone has any kind of legitimate argument about whether they should have been arrested or not or whether or not they should do serious time (or maybe be executed) for their crimes.

humanity says

If you are fair - and even if you are right - you should be capable of at least
seeing that there is a legitimate argument to be made that Zimmerman should have
been found guilty of at least manslaughter.

no, GZ should not have even been arrested or detained. He did no crime. Spike Lee did a few crimes related to this case. When will he be arrested?

humanity says

It built up in that community until it spilt over to the regular media - which
led to arguments like those that occurred here. A lot of fairly intelligent
people thought, what the fuck ?

complete bull shit.
the head racist in charge went on TeeVee and said, "if I had a wild ass dopesmoking gang banger for a kid, he would look like TM".
And then the DOJ put a pile of agitator people on buses to go act like protestors in front of the policestation. All staged by Lord Obama and hid band of racist scum.
You can only get away with the crap these progressive/liberal/leftists are doing because their "base" is a bunch of ignorant druggies. Only a deviant mind would not see the obvious wrong in each and every step Lord OhBumYa has taken.

marcus says

Maybe you and I define "confronted" differently.

maybe ... it seems liberal/leftist/progressives change the meaning of words at will ... like gay, or right, or good, or sex //// remember, clinton dont think a blowjob is sex ... and hillary just played along so she could all-of-a-sudden become some political force .... you're living the life of a mushroom, pardner.

There is a big world outside of your classroom and cyber-bubble, and it is full of people that do not do drugs, do not get drunk, do not avoid God, do not steal, do not hurt others, do not support deviant activity, and do not think everything is relative and shades of gray. We are here, we aint queer, and we have no fear. (I just made that up. A little corny? lol)

humanity says

If you are fair - and even if you are right - you should be capable of at least seeing that there is a legitimate argument to be made that Zimmerman should have been found guilty of at least manslaughter.

100% false. There was nothing physically threatening about the situation until TM committed violence and prevented GZ from retreating. TM's attack on GZ was so unwarranted and over the top that GZ could not have reasonably foreseen it coming.

TM committed the life threatening violence. GZ forced TM to immediately stop this life threatening violence.

This whole situation is really old news and not worth talking about anymore. Only reasonable things left are if GZ is attacked by a pro black criminal or if TM's parents choose to start a "civil rights" lawsuit then it's worthless to bring up anymore.

foxmannumber1 says

100% false.

I know I was way over your head with that one.

I said even if you are correct.(take that in for a minute)

Even if you are correct, you have to admit there is at least a legitimate argument to be made that Zimmerman is guilty of at least manslaughter. I'm not going to repeat all the arguments again, if you didn't understand them before.

It's called seeing both sides of the argument.

To get all self righteous and say that there isn't even a good argument to be made requires you to assume things that nobody knows, such as...

foxmannumber1 says

TM's attack on GZ was so unwarranted and over the top that GZ could not have reasonably foreseen it coming.

Other than from Zimmerman's testimony, nobody know how the fight started.

foxmannumber1 says

TM committed the life threatening violence

Again, we don't know how or why the fight started, except from Zimmerman's story.

foxmannumber1 says

This whole situation is really old news and not worth talking about anymore.

I agree. IT's a shame that you can not and will not even comprehend what I was saying here. I didn't even say you are wrong (i think you are - but it wasn't my point).

You can't even admit there is a legitimate argument there.

I'll admit that there is a legitimate argument to be made that it was self defense. But then unlike so many around here, I'm capable of looking at both sides of a question before making up my mind.

Look at the things Bap says. He is totally incapable of even comprehending a typical moderately liberal point of view. He needs to make it into something that it's not, to justify his highly propaganda based views.

foxmannumber1 says

humanity says

If you are fair - and even if you are right - you should be capable of at least seeing that there is a legitimate argument to be made that Zimmerman should have been found guilty of at least manslaughter.

100% false. There was nothing physically threatening about the situation until TM committed violence and prevented GZ from retreating. TM's attack on GZ was so unwarranted and over the top that GZ could not have reasonably foreseen it coming.

TM committed the life threatening violence. GZ forced TM to immediately stop this life threatening violence.

This whole situation is really old news and not worth talking about anymore. Only reasonable things left are if GZ is attacked by a pro black criminal or if TM's parents choose to start a "civil rights" lawsuit then it's worthless to bring up anymore.

I disagree that it's not worth talking about. The media has horribly polluted the minds of the 13-18 year old crowd to the extent that this age group believes that modern US society is every bit as racist as that portrayed in the recent movie 42, where racism was thick in most parts of the US.

Ask any high school kid and see what they believe. Then attempt to portray the actual fact set to them. I guarantee they will not believe you....

dodgerfanjohn says

Then attempt to portray the actual fact set to them

They are still open minded and learning about critical thinking, so they are bound to ask good questions. Such as, "is it right to consider Zimmerman's story to be fact based? Especially when certain parts sound so far fetched (his written statement describing the moments leading up to his shooting Martin) ?"

Everything I've heard from you, sounds like you start with what you want to believe, and then find what you like to call "facts" to back it up. But many of the most critical facts such as how the fight started, that is what was said my whom and exactly how it started, are from your point of view, based on Zimmerman's story.

Many of us are old school, in the sense that we know that we can not know how it started, but we can know that if Zimmerman had not pursued Martin, and if he stayed in his car, then Martin would still be alive.

These are by far the most important facts we know.

Everything else that might be used to argue that it was self defense comes from Zimmerman's story.

The fact is maybe it was justifiable - maybe it wasn't - it depends on who started the fight, and how easy it would have been for the guy with the gun to avoid the fight. Considering he was the stalker and the one who may have scared the other with his pursuit, it begs the question, was he thinking all along that this might lead to him shooting the kid ?

If you were honest, you would admit that we do not know the answers to this.

Instead you resort to saying Martin was a piece of shit who deserved what happened. That's fucked up.

I don't believe Zimmerman's story. Not because of bias. I just can't see any reason why I should. What the hell was he thinking ? I know he was thinking this kid was dangerous (I need a gun), and I know he thought he should be stopped and questioned about where he's going. I know he very easily might have decided to do this on his own instead of waiting for police. ("these assholes always get away).

I think you understand what happened as well as I do. It's just that you think it's okay. Just as the holier than thou dirtbag Bap does.

Blah blah blah........

Exactly.

Bap33 says

There is a big world outside of your classroom and cyber-bubble, and it is full of people that do not do drugs, do not get drunk, do not avoid God, do not steal, do not hurt others, do not support deviant activity, and do not think everything is relative and shades of gray.

Bap's one of those self righteous black and white authoritarian thinkers that eats up the right wing propaganda all the time. But when he's not preaching about how good he and his holy right wing brethren are, with their solid Christian values, he can be found in some airport restroom, tapping his feet.

Troll troll troll your boat
Gently down the stream.....

It wasn't his 'property'. He did not own shit except his online name and guns.

John Bailo says

who was on his own private property

Not possible.

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/national/george-zimmerman-caught-speeding-again-given-a-256-ticket

He has to speed from spot to spot to keep ahead of the leftist racists.
He will pay a fortune in speeding tickets....

foxmannumber1 says

Perhaps since they know they have no case, this matter will just die down and GZ can live his life as normally as possible.

Contradict yourself often???

humanity says

Even if you are correct, you have to admit there is at least a legitimate argument to be made that Zimmerman is guilty of at least manslaughter.

humanity says

Other than from Zimmerman's testimony, nobody know how the fight started.

Stand Your Ground + Bush Doctrine = Win!

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/04/florida-man-cites-bush-doctrine-after-pre-emptive-killing-of-neighbors-at-labor-day-cookout/

and...
"is it right to convict zimmerman of manslaughter in the court of public opinion , or any other court, when no one knows what the fuck happened..."\

humanity says

They are still open minded and learning about critical thinking, so they are bound to ask good questions. Such as, "is it right to consider Zimmerman's story to be fact based?

'Humanity' is Marcus's way of continuing the conversation with those he has officially punished. 'ignored'..

humanity says

I don't believe Zimmerman's story. Not because of bias. I just can't see any reason why I should. What the hell was he thinking ?

Call it Crazy says

Maybe that he didn't want the contents of his skull spread all over the concrete??

SO if your objective is to murder someone, all you have to do is get them into a fight, and then yell real loud to get some witnesses to see that that you are supposedly getting your ass kicked, and then you are free to go ahead and shoot the guy in the heart.

Oh, I think I get it now.

Good. So we are all in agreement.
I knew over time we could convince you.

marcus says

Oh, I think I get it now.

Call it Crazy says

racist fantasy...

You're the one who instinctively wants to make it okay that Zimmerman stalked Martin with a gun confronted him causing a fight and eventually shot him dead,...and I'm the racist.

"B-b-b-but, Zimmerman was getting beaten up !"