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Y
2013 Sep 4, 9:55am
and...
"is it right to convict zimmerman of manslaughter in the court of public opinion , or any other court, when no one knows what the fuck happened..."\
They are still open minded and learning about critical thinking, so they are bound to ask good questions. Such as, "is it right to consider Zimmerman's story to be fact based?
Y
2013 Sep 4, 9:57am
'Humanity' is Marcus's way of continuing the conversation with those he has officially punished. 'ignored'..
I don't believe Zimmerman's story. Not because of bias. I just can't see any reason why I should. What the hell was he thinking ?
marcus
2013 Sep 5, 3:37am
Maybe that he didn't want the contents of his skull spread all over the concrete??
SO if your objective is to murder someone, all you have to do is get them into a fight, and then yell real loud to get some witnesses to see that that you are supposedly getting your ass kicked, and then you are free to go ahead and shoot the guy in the heart.
Oh, I think I get it now.
Y
2013 Sep 5, 3:51am
Good. So we are all in agreement.
I knew over time we could convince you.
Oh, I think I get it now.
marcus
2013 Sep 5, 6:46am
racist fantasy...
You're the one who instinctively wants to make it okay that Zimmerman stalked Martin with a gun confronted him causing a fight and eventually shot him dead,...and I'm the racist.
"B-b-b-but, Zimmerman was getting beaten up !"
marcus
2013 Sep 5, 8:45am
move on!!
I have moved on, but one last thing, I can't quite remember. Before Zimmerman pursued Martin (armed), he was talking to the police dispatcher, I know he said one of these two things to the dispatcher. Can you help me remember which one ? Was it number 1, or number 2?
1) "I understand teen fashion and that you can't judge kids by their clothes these days. And certainly that the kids race doesn't tell me that much other than a slight probabilistic difference. And I know that statistically, there is a way better than 95% chance that this kid is not up to anything criminal. But I have a hunch here, and I really think it would be good to carefully try to figure out what he's up to."
2) "These assholes always get away"
Which one was it that he said to the dispatcher?
Y
2013 Sep 5, 8:53am
It was #1....
1) "I understand teen fashion and that you can't judge kids by their clothes these days. And certainly that the kids race doesn't tell me that much other than a slight probabilistic difference. And I know that statistically, there is a way better than 95% chance that this kid is not up to anything criminal. But I have a hunch here, and I really think it would be good to carefully try to figure out what he's up to."
2) "These assholes always get away"
Which one was it that he said to the dispatcher?
marcus
2013 Sep 5, 10:55am
Right, you moved on... but still clinging to your fixation:
No, just reminding you again of what's obvious to those with reasoning skills who looked at it objectively.
But then it's true I do give you guys too much credit
and do not think everything is relative and shades of gray
That says a lot. I think most things in life are complicated, and few are black and white. It's easier when you can make a clear black/white, right/wrong determination about things, but many things in life are more complicated and take more thought.
I used to assume people who thought in absolutes were dumb, but I now think it's more about being lazy and fearful.
As far as you invoking god, I wonder what god you pray to. If it's the big J, then I think you might want to read the good book again. Compassion, understanding and forgiveness are his hallmarks, not absolutist judgment, superiority and contempt.
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2013 Sep 5, 1:35pm
Right, you moved on... but still clinging to your fixation:
No, just reminding you again of what's obvious to those with reasoning skills who looked at it objectively.
But then it's true I do give you guys too much credit
If by reasoning skills you mean:
-intentionally ignoring some relevant facts so that you can continue to stubbornly cling to your opinion
-injecting facts not based on evidence or testimony that you made up
-creating interpretations no reasonable person would based on available facts
Then you certainly are a man with tremendous reasoning skills, while the rest of us are open mouth breathers.
marcus
2013 Sep 5, 1:59pm
If by reasoning skills you mean:
-intentionally ignoring some relevant facts so that you can continue to stubbornly cling to your opinion
I've noticed that the MANY times I have pointed out to you or others that your idea of facts center on Zimmemman's story, there is never a response.
You say that I ignore facts. But you never share details.
The biggest facts of all:
1) Armed man pursues innocent young man and ends up in a fight with him, ultimately shooting him dead. Nobody knows how or why the fight started.
2) Zimmerman said of this innocent young man, "these assholes always get away."
3) Zimmerman was told, we don't need you to do that, when he got out of his car armed to pursue him. I'm sure if they had known he was armed, that instead of saying, we don't need you to do that, they would have insisted that he not do that.
These are key facts. Please share with me (FOR ONCE) the kay facts you say I ignore. And if you have any integrity or intelligence at all, please do not include any of Zimmerman's story as fact.
Otherwise can we both just agree that you're a right wing racist dimbulb ?
RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks
2013 Sep 5, 2:41pm
it's hard not to be racist against blacks though.
if you have worked with blacks you know they either have this victim mentality, blaming non-whites for everything or they hate you because they are just smart enough to realize they are intellectually inferior.
the black race will always be a "victim" race in a free society because they will always be at the bottom. every time you lose a competition you cry foul and that makes losing less embarrassing.
in fact that's the main motive behind all of the negro political movements: it's not so much about getting free stuffs from the gov (that's only a distraction) but more about "HOW DO WE HIDE OUR STUPIDITY" (blame it on racism).
because the moment the whole world knows how stupid they really are it's game over for them.
Armed man pursues innocent young man and ends up in a fight with him, ultimately shooting him dead. Nobody knows how or why the fight started.
TM wasn't innocent. He was loitering in the rain. The police dispatcher sent a police officer to the scene based on that fact alone. It is incorrect to call the event a 'fight', which means the 2 were exchanging blows. This was a 1 sided beating, not a fight.
It is a fact that TM punched GZ in the face, knocking GZ down. It is another fact that TM mounted GZ, to continue the beating and prevent GZ's retreat. These facts caused TM's death. Everything else is irrelevant.
marcus
2013 Sep 6, 12:01am
Thank you very much. Pretty much what I expected.
Zimmerman said "these assholes always get away, which is TRUE based on past robberies in the neighborhood.
A couple robberies from a couple years earlier.
why do you inject your "innocent young" bias?
What, now I get shit for calling him a young man ? (I still say he was actually a kid)
We know he was innocent at that moment. He was walking home with his skittles and Ice tea.
marcus
2013 Sep 6, 12:05am
I know.... facts suck....
No, just Fox news watchers who not only don't know what a relevant fact is, they can't process it when they get one.
Fact: you're a semi-retarded racist moron.
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2013 Sep 6, 12:37am
Marcus those are not facts.
That's why everyone here makes fun of you. You can't distinguish fact from opinion.
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2013 Sep 6, 12:40am
Oh sorry, the part about GZ saying these assholes always get away is actually a fact. My bad. It just that you give that fact way too much weight and importance.
The biggest facts of all:
1) Armed man pursues innocent young man and ends up in a fight with him, ultimately shooting him dead. Nobody knows how or why the fight started.
2) Zimmerman said of this innocent young man, "these assholes always get away."
3) Zimmerman was told, we don't need you to do that, when he got out of his car armed to pursue him. I'm sure if they had known he was armed, that instead of saying, we don't need you to do that, they would have insisted that he not do that.
Marcus those are not facts.
That's why everyone here makes fun of you. You can't distinguish fact from opinion.
Interesting.
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2013 Sep 6, 1:21am
The biggest facts of all:
1) Armed man pursues innocent young man and ends up in a fight with him, ultimately shooting him dead. Nobody knows how or why the fight started.
2) Zimmerman said of this innocent young man, "these assholes always get away."
3) Zimmerman was told, we don't need you to do that, when he got out of his car armed to pursue him. I'm sure if they had known he was armed, that instead of saying, we don't need you to do that, they would have insisted that he not do that.
Marcus those are not facts.
That's why everyone here makes fun of you. You can't distinguish fact from opinion.
Interesting.
Well except #1 is blanketed in opinion and #3 is false(ie not a fact).
1) Armed man pursues innocent young man and ends up in a fight with him, ultimately shooting him dead. Nobody knows how or why the fight started.
Well except #1 is blanketed in opinion
Armed, check
Innocent young man, check (innocent at that time,... just going home)
Ends up in fight with Martin, check
Nobody knows who started it, check
Ultimately ended up shooting Martin dead, check
Where's the bias or opinion ? I guess in one sense the facts that someone thinks are important reflect bias. You all think that the only relevant fact is that Zimmerman was losing the fight, and that therefore killing Martin was self defense.
I understand full well, your point of view.
Y
2013 Sep 6, 4:13am
Hi Marcus aka humanity....howz it hangin??
Armed, check
Innocent young man, check (innocent at that time,... just going home)
Ends up in fight with Martin, check
Nobody knows who started it, check
Ultimately ended up shooting Martin dead, check
Where's the bias or opinion ? I guess in one sense the facts that someone thinks are important reflect bias. You all think that the only relevant fact is that Zimmerman was losing the fight, and that therefore killing Martin was self defense.
I understand full well, your point of view.
My point of view:
Even if you are correct, you have to admit there is at least a legitimate argument to be made that Zimmerman is guilty of at least manslaughter. I'm not going to repeat all the arguments again, if you didn't understand them before.
It's called seeing both sides of the argument.
(I guess I (or marcus) did repeat some of the arguments.)
What you guys think:
Trayvon Martin was a POS human being and karma bit him in the ass at a young age. Everyone defending Martin has it twisted and can't see beyond their own racism and/or bias.
I'm going to let it rest.
he court and jury made their determination with a lot of additional facts and evidence that you don't have....
My understanding is that they believed a lot of Zimmerman's story.
Just like you guys.
Y
2013 Sep 6, 5:06am
disabling one keyboard will take them both off the market...
I'm going to let it rest.
I'll believe that when I see it from you and Marcus...
Y
2013 Sep 6, 5:10am
Are you happy now?
This is what your constant damning of the law abiding zimmerman has resulted in....
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/6/george-zimmermans-wife-shellie-seeks-life-insuranc/
Way to vilify the innocent, resulting in broken marriage....
he court and jury made their determination with a lot of additional facts and evidence that you don't have....
My understanding is that they believed a lot of Zimmerman's story.
Just like you guys.
Bap33
2013 Sep 6, 8:10am
I think most things in life are complicated, and few are black and white.
well, you are allowed to "think" that. Feel free to share some examples if you would like them to be tested for fault.
Way to vilify the innocent, resulting in broken marriage....
OR maybe she just knows him. And got to know him better through all of this.
Crazy: I say I'll let it rest and then you troll me and say see, you didn't let it rest.
Zim never got on the stand, so there was no "story" for them to believe...
I don't believe you are that stupid. But hey, maybe. Let's all assume you are.
I know, it's better go with your opinion and beliefs instead of understanding the legal process and system...
This from a guy who thinks Zimerman's story never made it to the jurors. So nobody who took his original statement or interviewed him later testified. His written statement never made it to the trial....
Zim never got on the stand, so there was no "story" for them to believe...
I'm starting to believe that you really are THAT stupid.
Even if you are correct, you have to admit there is at least a legitimate argument to be made that Zimmerman is guilty of at least manslaughter.
It's called seeing both sides of the argument.
Bap33
2013 Sep 7, 12:41am
I think most things in life are complicated, and few are black and white.
well, you are allowed to "think" that. Feel free to share some examples if you would like them to be tested for fault.
this guy is taking a while. It should be easy to find some examples among "most things in life".
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How is it the murdering teenaged blacks of the past few weeks are not being talked about in the media or on here? Those same folks kept saying that TM was just a baby, just a teen aged boy, just a wee 17 year old tot .... could it be that the facts as told by GZ match the actions of the teenaged male blacks seen here in the real world over the past few weeks? This is why it is obvious that liberalism is a mental disorder, and the non-Fox media is corrupt.