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Vicente says

Kneel like a dog and beg forgiveness!

Like this?
http://www.youtube.com/embed/NKU6jl1l0Cc

kilostand confused says

Vicente says

Kneel like a dog and beg forgiveness!

Like this?

I would be Salma's footstool any day of the week, and twice on Sunday!

humanity says

As for Mexico. I assumed that the reason so many cops in Mexico are extremely corrupt is that they don't make a decent enough living on their salary.

has little to do with weekly salary when drug-narco smugglers are willing to pay 5x annual salary for even US cops per shipment.

If you ever shipped anything FedEx or UPS you would know what a shitty service it is in comparison to the USPS.

We need more private, for-profit prisons. No conflict of interest there.

Quigley says

I'm confused. zzxzzy posted this? Isn't he pro-corporate anti-labor and pro-wealthy people raping us even harder? Where have all the Fox News watchers gone?

If I were dictator, I would stop all immigration and throw out all the illegals, seal the border, and punish employers who hire illegals with some pretty hefty minimum jail times, or just execute them. There is no logical reason to allow any immigration with unemployment is this fucking high! It's just common sense!

zzyzzx says

If I were dictator, I would stop all immigration and throw out all the
illegals, seal the border, and punish employers who hire illegals with some
pretty hefty minimum jail times, or just execute them. There is no logical
reason to allow any immigration with unemployment is this fucking high! It's
just common sense!

But then you will lose out in millions of dollars in cash in lobbying and other assorted funds from the affected parties. I doubt there is a single politician left who actually runs for office because he wants to make a difference and make the lives of Americans better.

All these red vs blue wars keeps the populace distracted. AS long as you support your side against the others-it is business as usual.

lostand confused says

I doubt there is a single politician left who actually runs for office because he wants to make a difference and make the lives of Americans better.

True. But then again, were there ever politicians who actually wanted to make a difference for anyone but themselves?

zzyzzx says

If I were dictator, I would stop all immigration and throw out all the illegals, seal the border, and punish employers who hire illegals with some pretty hefty minimum jail times, or just execute them. There is no logical reason to allow any immigration with unemployment is this fucking high! It's just common sense!

Good thing you're not. If you did that the country would never have existed since everyone except for native Americans are actually immigrants.

edvard2 says

zzyzzx says

If I were dictator, I would stop all immigration and throw out all the illegals, seal the border, and punish employers who hire illegals with some pretty hefty minimum jail times, or just execute them. There is no logical reason to allow any immigration with unemployment is this fucking high! It's just common sense!

Good thing you're not. If you did that the country would never have existed since everyone except for native Americans are actually immigrants.

Irrelevant. Cultures are always displacing other cultures. Not too many cultures actively encouraged their displacement and downfall, however. Americans are unique that way.

zzyzzx says

If I were dictator, I would stop all immigration and throw out all the illegals, seal the border, and punish employers who hire illegals with some pretty hefty minimum jail times, or just execute them. There is no logical reason to allow any immigration with unemployment is this fucking high! It's just common sense!

On paper, I would support this protectionist/isolationist/elitist/dickish move. ;-)

But in reality the problem is that entitled Americans would not take the service jobs. McDonalds and Walmart would be out of business and no lawns in California would ever be mowed.

JH says

But in reality the problem is that entitled Americans would not take the service jobs. McDonalds and Walmart would be out of business and no lawns in California would ever be mowed.

I'd take away their welfare, social security "disability", Obamaphones, section 8 housing, etc. so they would have to work or starve. That should motivate the deadbeats enough to get a job.

Quigley says

Irrelevant. Cultures are always displacing other cultures. Not too many cultures actively encouraged their displacement and downfall, however. Americans are unique that way.

Totally relevant. I'm going to almost bet that most everyone on this forum came from an immigrant family to the US. Thus a claim to ban immigrants or the like is sort of like saying none of us should have come here. Sort of dumb.zzyzzx says

I'd take away their welfare, social security "disability", Obamaphones, section 8 housing, etc. so they would have to work or starve. That should motivate the deadbeats enough to get a job.

That statement is so predictably right-wing-media-machine spoon fed its a bit sad for lack of originality. Yes- that's right, please tow the party line and be against anything that is for your own common interests.

JH says

But in reality the problem is that entitled Americans would not take the service jobs. McDonalds and Walmart would be out of business and no lawns in California would ever be mowed.

That's not true where I live.

zzyzzx says

JH says

But in reality the problem is that entitled Americans would not take the service jobs. McDonalds and Walmart would be out of business and no lawns in California would ever be mowed.

I'd take away their welfare, social security "disability", Obamaphones, section 8 housing, etc. so they would have to work or starve. That should motivate the deadbeats enough to get a job.

Yes, Baltimore (and everywhere else) is full of the entitled "have nots", but the US is also full of the entitled "haves". These millennials living with mom and dad refuse to do anything with their history degrees that doesn't pay six figures.

edvard2 says

That statement is so predictably right-wing-media-machine spoon fed its a bit sad for lack of originality. Yes- that's right, please tow the party line and be against anything that is for your own common interests.

I don't see how paying a boatload of taxes so that people too fucking lazy to work don't have to is in my best interests.

JH says

These millennials living with mom and dad refuse to do anything with their history degrees that doesn't pay six figures.

lol. True!

JH says

These millennials living with mom and dad refuse to do anything with their history degrees that doesn't pay six figures.

But that's not the taxpayer's problem. That's their parent's problem. They could have used birth control instead of taking a change and ending up with a deadbeat kid.

Zuckerberg to meet with House Republicans

Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg will meet with the top four House Republicans next week in Washington.

The high tech CEO’s visit comes as Facebook is facing ongoing scrutiny over privacy concerns and Internet safety.

Zuckerberg will meet Thursday with Speaker John Boehner and the rest of his leadership team, including House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Whip Kevin McCarthy and Conference Chair Cathy McMorris Rodgers.

The meeting is expected to be a broad discussion of issues related to Facebook, according to a GOP aide. While immigration may come up, the meeting is not specifically to discuss comprehensive reform, which Zuckerberg has advocated for, the aide said.

Facebook did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

In the wake of the Edward Snowden scandal, Facebook and other tech companies have been dealing with an onslaught of public and lawmaker scrutiny over what information they turn over to the federal government. Facebook filed a lawsuit earlier this week at the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, joining Google and Microsoft, to try and push for the ability to release more information about the surveillance orders they receive.

The meeting comes as Zuckerberg, himself, has become more political joining with other tech execs to form an issue advocacy group Fwd.US that has focused primarily on passing comprehensive immigration reform. Earlier this year, he also hosted a fundraiser for New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie at his home.

In addition to contributing $15,000 to Facebook’s political action committee Zuckerberg has also contributed heavily to Newark Mayor Cory Booker’s senate bid, writing a check in mid-June to his campaign for $10,400.

Facebook spent $3.5 million on lobbying during the first half of 2013 with several lobbying firms on retainer, including Elmendorf Ryan, Patton Boggs, Peck Madigan Jones, Steptoe & Johnson and Stewart Strategies and Solutions.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/mark-zuckerberg-house-republicans-96633.html

zzyzzx says

I don't see how paying a boatload of taxes so that people too fucking lazy to work don't have to is in my best interests.

You are making more gross generalizations. Until you can show us exacting detailed data that proves that all people on government assistance programs are too lazy to work you've lost the argument.

Call it Crazy says

OK, so then I guess you are OK with giving away tons of FREE entitlements to deadbeats??

Funny how both you guys think the wrong things.

So at what "deadbeat ratio" is the 'needy vs deadbeat' argument lost?
90/10?? 50/50??

edvard2 says

zzyzzx says

I don't see how paying a boatload of taxes so that people too fucking lazy to work don't have to is in my best interests.

You are making more gross generalizations. Until you can show us exacting detailed data that proves that all people on government assistance programs are too lazy to work you've lost the argument

JH says

But in reality the problem is that entitled Americans would not take the service jobs. McDonalds and Walmart would be out of business and no lawns in California would ever be mowed.

What would happen with lawns is
1. People would mow their own lawns.
2. People would pay more to have their lawns mowed.
3. People would stop having lawns.

What would happen with McDonald's and Walmart is
1. These companies would pay their employees more.
2. These companies would charge more for their goods.
3. These companies would go out of business and be replaced by better businesses.

Both are examples of the free market working.

zzyzzx says

I'd take away their welfare, social security "disability", Obamaphones, section 8 housing, etc. so they would have to work or starve. That should motivate the deadbeats enough to get a job.

I say cut the warfare budget by 95% and that will get all the deadbeats in that industry working real jobs that produce wealth rather than sucking the government teat.

Every program you mentioned added up together does not cost as much as the warfare industry.

zzyzzx says

I don't see how paying a boatload of taxes so that people too fucking lazy to work don't have to is in my best interests.

It's not. That's why the bank bailouts were bad.

JH says

These millennials living with mom and dad refuse to do anything with their history degrees that doesn't pay six figures.

And it's perfectly within their right to make that choice. They have invested so much time and effort into those degrees, it is perfectly sensible for them to demand a reasonable return in exchange for their skills. It is also perfectly within their rights to decide that a job that doesn't pay enough isn't worth spending the time and doing the labor. This choice is the natural reaction to labor getting paid less and less every year for three generations.

As long as mom and dad are ok with their adult children living with them, as evidently they are even if they don't consider it ideal, then it's fine for Millennials to make the decision to stay with their parents. This is a perfectly logical financial reaction to the piss poor labor market the Millennials inherited after their parent's generation sold off the country to China and India.

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

zzyzzx says

That's their parent's problem. They could have used birth control instead of taking a change and ending up with a deadbeat kid.

I would argue that if the Millennials had inherited the labor market that the Boomer's had between 1950 and 1970, those Milliennials would have jobs. Hell, if the labor market and economy had been like it was from 1995 to 2000, Millennial unemployment would be about zero and they would be producing tons of wealth.

It seems silly to me to blame the one generation that had nothing to do with the shitty state of our economy for not getting jobs. The Millennials are unemployed and living with their parents because the three previous generations sold off our nation's infrastructure, lowered the real wages of labor, raised the cost of housing, health care, and college to ridiculous levels, and forced them into debt before they even entered the labor force. The Millennials were fucked by previous generations before they were even born.

SoftShell says

So at what "deadbeat ratio" is the 'needy vs deadbeat' argument lost?

First you need to define needy and deadbeat. My observation is that people define needy as "I need something" and deadbeat as "somebody else needs something".

Similarly, everyone who drives slower than me is an idiot, and everyone who drives faster than me is a maniac.

Dan8267 says

Every program you mentioned added up together does not cost as much as the warfare industry.

You must be bad at match. Add it state spending on welfare and it's easily several times defense spending:

Dan8267 says

JH says

These millennials living with mom and dad refuse to do anything with their history degrees that doesn't pay six figures.

And it's perfectly within their right to make that choice. They have invested so much time and effort into those degrees, it is perfectly sensible for them to demand a reasonable return in exchange for their skills.

You did notice the degree was "history", right?

Dan8267 says

I would argue that if the Millennials had inherited the labor market that the Boomer's had between 1950 and 1970, those Milliennials would have jobs. Hell, if the labor market and economy had been like it was from 1995 to 2000, Millennial unemployment would be about zero and they would be producing tons of wealth.

You are saying that wealth accumulated from 1995 to 2000 was real wealth?

Dan8267 says

The Millennials were fucked by previous generations before they were even born.

Yes I agree completely with this. (And unfortunately Gen X can make the same argument vs. boomers.) But you are helping me make my point: millennials feel entitled to a certain level of job and refuse anything less. Just because "everyone else" fucked them over, they will refuse to work a lesser job? Sure in America they have a "right" to refuse to work, but that reeks of entitlement.

No I don't. Websters does a good enough job of it.

Full Definition of NEEDY
1: being in want : poverty-stricken

dead·beat noun \ˈded-ˌbēt\
1: a lazy person : a person who does not work

That's one of the problems with society today. Everybody wants to redefine words. Marriage use to mean a union of man and woman. Now you can mate with your canary under the term.

The human mouth is capable of forming thousands of sounds as yet undefined. We should mine this resource instead of redefining everything.
Dan8267 says

SoftShell says

So at what "deadbeat ratio" is the 'needy vs deadbeat' argument lost?

First you need to define needy and deadbeat.

JH says

But you are helping me make my point: millennials feel entitled to a
certain level of job and refuse anything less

Well that is part of how they were raised. If we live in a society that thinks everybody can go to college and can work white collar jobs and "dirty" jobs are for illegals-well it will take some time for reality to sink in.

Unless of course they figure out how to live on welfare.

Dan8267 says

First you need to define needy and deadbeat. My observation is that people define needy as "I need something" and deadbeat as "somebody else needs something".

A deadbeat is someone who is too lazy to work, or just doesn't pay their bills. A needy person has a real, verifiable physical or mental handicap preventing them from working. I.E. - a retard or someone in a wheelchair is "needy", pretty much everyone else on welfare programs are deadbeats.

This is another stupid useless argument where the peons whom watch their little right-winger shows have been totally convinced that anything good for them is bad, anything bad for them is good, and they've been totally programmed to think this way. Thus no need to argue as that is a waste of time.

Dan8267 says

I say cut the warfare budget by 95% and that will get all the deadbeats in that industry working real jobs that produce wealth rather than sucking the government teat.

Dan8267 says

It's not. That's why the bank bailouts were bad.

Dan8267 says

It is also perfectly within their rights to decide that a job that doesn't pay enough isn't worth spending the time and doing the labor. This choice is the natural reaction to labor getting paid less and less every year for three generations.

As long as mom and dad are ok with their adult children living with them, as evidently they are even if they don't consider it ideal, then it's fine for Millennials to make the decision to stay with their parents. This is a perfectly logical financial reaction to the piss poor labor market the Millennials inherited after their parent's generation sold off the country to China and India.

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

Dan8267 says

I would argue that if the Millennials had inherited the labor market that the Boomer's had between 1950 and 1970, those Milliennials would have jobs. Hell, if the labor market and economy had been like it was from 1995 to 2000, Millennial unemployment would be about zero and they would be producing tons of wealth.

It seems silly to me to blame the one generation that had nothing to do with the shitty state of our economy for not getting jobs. The Millennials are unemployed and living with their parents because the three previous generations sold off our nation's infrastructure, lowered the real wages of labor, raised the cost of housing, health care, and college to ridiculous levels, and forced them into debt before they even entered the labor force. The Millennials were fucked by previous generations before they were even born.

Bravo! Post of the week.

zzyzzx says

A deadbeat is someone who is too lazy to work,

That definition could also go for people who waste lots of time spouting off worthless right leaning drivel on various forums.

edvard2 says

That definition could also go for people who waste lots of time spouting off worthless right leaning drivel on various forums.

That definition could also go for people who waste lots of time spouting off worthless left leaning drivel on various forums.

edvard2 says

This is another stupid useless argument where the peons whom watch their little right-winger shows have been totally convinced that anything good for them is bad, anything bad for them is good, and they've been totally programmed to think this way. Thus no need to argue as that is a waste of time.

Is a "liberal" anyone who gets their ideas from places other than Fox News? Or, god forbid, actually thinks for themselves?

Dan8267 says

I say cut the warfare budget by 95% and that will get all the deadbeats in
that industry working real jobs that produce wealth rather than sucking the
government teat.

Every program you mentioned added up together does not cost as much as the
warfare industry.

Dan8267 says

It seems silly to me to blame the one generation that had nothing to do with
the shitty state of our economy for not getting jobs. The Millennials are
unemployed and living with their parents because the three previous generations
sold off our nation's infrastructure, lowered the real wages of labor, raised
the cost of housing, health care, and college to ridiculous levels, and forced
them into debt before they even entered the labor force. The Millennials were
fucked by previous generations before they were even born.

Damn Dan, you're on fire. +10

freak80 says

Is a "liberal" anyone who gets their ideas from places other than Fox News? Or, god forbid, actually thinks for themselves?

A liberal is the conservative's boogeyman for all things wrong with this country. A conservative is the liberal's boogeyman for all things wrong with this country.

While the two fight with each other -the politicians become gazillionares and have fun.

zzyzzx says

That definition could also go for people who waste lots of time spouting off worthless left leaning drivel on various forums.

Its a good thing that sort of left-leaning drivel hasn't been expressed, but instead rather common sense.

You know what I find humorously ironic about all of these so-called fiscally conservative diatribes coming often from people who have a limited grasp on finance? Well, I'd say that I make an income that places me in the upper 10, maybe even 5% of the general population. If there were anyone who 'should' be complaining about taxes, it should be me because about 30% of my income goes to paying taxes while I can almost guarantee a lot of those complaining about taxes are either paying very little, or no taxes at all. So if we're going to talk about people using up tax dollars, well I could very easily turn that around and complain about my tax dollars helping others who make less than I do indirectly by them not having to pay as much tax in general.

Yet I don't complain because I understand that in order to run a modern, democratic society it takes money and so I pay my taxes. It doesn't take a genius to figure these things out.

Dan8267 says

And it's perfectly within their right to make that choice. They have invested
so much time and effort into those degrees, it is perfectly sensible for them to
demand a reasonable return in exchange for their skills. It is also perfectly
within their rights to decide that a job that doesn't pay enough isn't worth
spending the time and doing the labor. This choice is the natural reaction to
labor getting paid less and less every year for three generations.

As long as mom and dad are ok with their adult children living with them, as
evidently they are even if they don't consider it ideal, then it's fine for
Millennials to make the decision to stay with their parents. This is a perfectly
logical financial reaction to the piss poor labor market the Millennials
inherited after their parent's generation sold off the country to China and
India

But oftentimes, the parents are not fine with it, frequently they resent the situation and just dont have the gumption to kick the "kids" out of the house. The millenials predictably sense this weakness and exploit it to the fullest and feel entitled to free housing, free driver and free maid services. It is literally not just/fair to the parents to put up with this sort of burden at a time in their lives where they have fully earned to right to have some peace and privacy if they so choose.

edvard2 says

Well, I'd say that I make an income that places me in the upper 10, maybe even
5% of the general population. If there were anyone who 'should' be complaining
about taxes, it should be me because about 30% of my income goes to paying taxes
while I can almost guarantee a lot of those complaining

Do you run a business and deduct a ton? because if you are making a salary and live in say CA-30% tax rate is not much. Well unless you have a gazillion dollar mortgage.