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We need a great hero like General Douglas MacArthur to attack and kill these ungrateful fiends.

Say, do we have memorials for Afghanistan & Iraq yet?

It baffles me Fox Newsers aren't calling for the memorials to be sold to private concerns, who can keep them operating 24x7 assuming ticket & concession sales support that.

Here's a song for all those Galt Gulch Revolutionary Schemers:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/IivGqwQvdCI

I think they call them "barrycades"

I'm surprised to hear of taxpayer-funded installations of any sort in Washington, D.C.

Isn't the Federal Government unconstitutional?

smaulgld says

I think they call them "barrycades"

Why, the GOP is completely responsible for the government shutdown. They even snuck in legislation at the last minute to ensure that the Republican shutdown of the government could not be overturned as normal, so as to ensure that the Democrats had absolutely no power to stop the shutdown. As such, the Republicans are 100% responsible for the shutdown they planned, they orchestrated, and they wanted. And the Republicans are 100% responsible for all the consequences of that shutdown including the closing of the Vietnam memorial or the WWII memorial.

The barricades should be called Boehnercades, not Barrycades. That is, if you want to be honest.

There is a hell of a lot of evil things I blame on Obama. The government shutdown ain't one them.

Call it Crazy says

Dan8267 says

Why, the GOP is completely responsible for the government shutdown

Sounds like echos of the duck.....

Ad Hominem proves nothing.

APOCALYPSEFUCK is Comptroller says

FACE!

It's ALL THAT'S LEFT for dinner!

Can you use Food Stamps for face?

Call it Crazy says

Dan8267 says

Call it Crazy says

Dan8267 says

Why, the GOP is completely responsible for the government shutdown

Sounds like echos of the duck.....

Ad Hominem proves nothing.

We don't need to hear it in stereo....

O.K., I'll add a third voice, then. Dan's an asshole, but he happens to be right this time. This is one hundred percent the republicans' doing.

Dan8267 says

Can you use Food Stamps for face?

Face is included in the WIC program.

On a more serious note: why do so many folks on PatNet keep linking to Zero Hedge? It's considered a crank website by some:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge

Call it Crazy says

By September 2009, Zero Hedge had begun drawing more traffic than more established financial websites[4] with 333,000 unique visitors a month, impressing even those who say the news site is full of conspiracy theory and "apocalyptic world view".[3] Durden says two-thirds of its readers are from Wall Street.[1] According to Quantcast, Zero Hedge has as of 2012 a monthly global traffic of 1.8 million people.[6] Under the name Tyler Durden, Ivandjiiski was interviewed on Bloomberg Radio[2][7] and Zero Hedge has been quoted in the Columbia Journalism Review.[8]

Zero Hedge celebrated one billion views in June 2013.[10]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

While it is abused for political games, the government shutdown is not a bad thing per se. But I would support it more if the politicians and other high-ranking officials (excl. pay/gratuity for completed military duty) would be furloughed as well and if there is additional legislation making any backdated pay illegal.

"apocalyptic world view".

Face is on the menu.

Eat Spinach!

Buy soap!

Mom?
lostand confused says

While human meat might be tasty, American meat will need new recipes to deal with the extra fat.

Yoh mamma so phat, she's on PatNet Housing Bubble.

ChapulinColorado says

Mom?

lostand confused says

While human meat might be tasty, American meat will need new recipes to deal with the extra fat.

Yoh mamma so phat, she's on PatNet Housing Bubble.

and yoh daddy is a housing squatter.

Call it Crazy says

After all, it IS the very same thing.

Actually, it's not the same thing at all.

Only in your delusional mind is it the same thing.

Let's start with this question:

What spending originiated with Obama that caused the $170K in your example?? How is he responsible?

Or this one:

How does not living up to our obligations help the problem??

You're basically advocating pissing on the credit card bill when it arrives instead of fixing the real problem--not enough revenue and too much spending.

So living within our budget is completely out of the question?

Quigley says

So living within our budget is completely out of the question?

Absolutely! ;)

What's dumb about this whole thing- this latest attempt to blame the Democrats for whatever is that over the weekend latest polls shows an ever-widening result where an even larger percentage of the general US population blames the GOP for this shutdown. So all of the little posts like these in the world isn't going to make a bit of difference. The GOP messed up and messed up royally on this one, and no posts about food stamps, liberals, ancedotal stories about someone who had problems with Obamacare, and so on will change it.

Call it Crazy says

It takes your whole rant to figure out the true issue???

No, unlike you I know the true issue. That's why I understand this whole debt limit is a big diversion from the real issues. Obviously you don't as you keep posting threads like this.

And, I notice you didn't bold "not enough revenue" either. Another lack of understanding on your part...

Call it Crazy says

What would you say to someone who had $27,000 in family income a year, spent $37,000, and had run up $170,000 on their credit card – and now was demanding that you let them add even more to their balance?

One thing you left out - how much assets they had. Spending $37k a year on $27k in income with $170k in debt is fine if you have millions in assets.

Also, why is this family spending $12k/year on international trips to paintball events on $27k, and then talking about eliminating their yearly IRA contribution instead of reducing the amount spent on new paintball guns?

Call it Crazy says

tatupu70 says

when it arrives instead of fixing the real problem--not enough revenue and too much spending.

It takes your whole rant to figure out the true issue??? Ever hear of a budget??

tatupu70 says

What spending originiated with Obama that caused the $170K in your example?? How is he responsible?

He's the current one driving the clown car....

Yes but "more revenue" means more taxes

Call it Crazy says

See, if you add zeros to the numbers above, that’s our federal government, in particular Barack Obama, Treasury Secretary Lew, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

Your analysis is good up to the point where you blame the Democrats. The national debt problem and overspending started with Reagan -- remember him? -- who "proved deficits don't matter" as Dick Cheney said.

If you want to balance the budget and pay off the national debt, the very first thing you have to do is cut warfare spending by at least 90% and keep it there. I'd go 95% for the next decade and back up to 90% current levels.

Granted, warfare spending isn't the only thing that needs to be cut, but it is the largest and most urgently needed cut as warfare spending is not only large but also causes other problems and expenses. The peak cost of WWI was in the 1960s. Fuck yeah you just read that correctly. World War ONE costs were highest four decades after the war.

It turns out that the true cost of war isn't just what you spend during the war. The vast majority of the costs come from 80 years of spending on veteran benefits, particularly health care, after the war.

We haven't even reached Peak Spending for the Vietnam War!

VA Spending From Iraq, Afghanistan Wars To Rise For Decades

The Iraq war has cost the United States $1.7 trillion — in addition to catastrophic human, social and political losses — and that number could climb to more than $6 trillion over the next four decades, according to the Costs of War Project.

The argument that Social Security and Welfare are driving our nation bankrupt is utter bullshit when you consider the real costs of wars throughout the lifetime of the people who fight them. The unjust wars started by the Republicans, and yes continued by Obama, will cost the United States far more wealth and economic prosperity than all the social programs the Democrats have ever asked for put together.

It is utterly ridiculous how much money this country wastes on warfare. And yes, it is wasted. This gravy train for defense contractors, aka war profiteers, does not make us safer. In fact, the war profiteers have to make us far less safe so that we keep spending this obscene amount on weapons. The warfare industry harms national security in order to maximize profits. We would be safer with less spending on warfare.

Republicans aren't for small government. They love big government, as long as it's blowing up brown people instead of feeding them.

New Rule: No Republican gets to bitch about the national debt or the deficit or big government or big spending until that Republican has stated unequivocally that the warfare spending in this country must be reduced by at least 90%.

We should be spending what we did in the post-WWII peace time.

Call it Crazy says

Yep, that's the solution.... Just tax the producers MORE... That will solve
it!!!

smaulgld says

Yes but "more revenue" means more taxes

Yep, it is more taxes, and it is part of the solution. Capital gains taxes should be raised immediately, for example. Current deduction loopholes should be closed.

PS--Smaulgld, what did you unignore me just long enough to respond? That's pretty classless. Keeps all the debate off your threads, that's for sure. I guess you don't like actually discussing issues, but rather just promote traffic to your website.

Call it Crazy says

Sorry dude... wrong again...

http://patrick.net/about.php?user_ID=27600

I'm not ignoring anyone, but if I did, you would be on that list...

Sorry, I was referring to smaulgld. He's the scared one. (edited post to be clear)

I may disagree with you, but you don't censor my posts.

dodgerfanjohn says

freak80 says

Ceffer says

I can quickly reel off six upper middle class people who are not disabled and can work just fine that collect disability.

Dang, I need to get in on that racket. Can you show me how? ;-)

You need to speak to one of the people who work for the SRO's in downtown Los Angeles. They'll show you how to get state disability(not sure about social security disability though), how to get an SRO apartment(brand spanking new) for $50 a month, which kitchens are open when so you can get free food)even though you have $950 a mo disposible income), and oh yeah, they introduce you to whatever drug dealer is paying them a referal fee at the moment. You'll never want for anything!

Don't forget to hit up your soon-to-be former municipality for your free one way bus ticket!

Therefore the only way to keep money in the hands of consumers is for:

1. Government to give it to them outright. (food stamps, welfare, unemployment insurance)
2. Give it to them through government jobs.
3. Give it to them through war spending.

--------

What about

4. Working a job and cashing a paycheck

?

Call it Crazy says

They BOTH have issues with out of control spending, and NEITHER will do anything to stop it!!!

Don't confuse em with facts again ;)

CIC--

I think the point is that you started a thread about out of control government spending then blamed it on Dems:

Call it Crazy says

See, if you add zeros to the numbers above, that’s our federal government, in
particular Barack Obama, Treasury Secretary Lew, Nancy Pelosi and Harry
Reid.

If it's "both parties" as you now claim, why single out all the high ranking members of ONE party??

And, futher, the truth is that it's the members of the unmentioned party that are actually responsible for the out of control spending. I would think that would be worth a note--don't you?

Call it Crazy says

As usual.....

I didn't write the article in the OP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's a pretty lame defense. I wouldn't think you'd be posting excerpts from articles you disagree with... Or if you do, I would expect that you'd comment on it.

Call it Crazy says

Didn't view the charts above, I see....

You guys with the Blue tinted glasses are really "blind"...

I viewed the charts. This may be earth shattering news to you, but the costs of bills passed during one Presidential term may actually hit during the next Presidential term. That's why I asked, specifically, which laws have passed during Obama's term that have increased spending. Let's get down to the nuts and bolts and figure out what's causing the out of control spending rather than just blindly complaining.

HydroCabron says

I assume you are referring to Austrian Economics. Why use that term, "Austrian"? Is there any other kind of economics?

Keynesian "economics" is not a branch of economics but rather academic justification for taxation, central banking and government intervention in the economy.

smaulgld says

HydroCabron says

I assume you are referring to Austrian Economics. Why use that term, "Austrian"? Is there any other kind of economics?

Keynesian "economics" is not a branch of economics but rather academic justification for taxation, central banking and government intervention in the economy.

Keynesian economics is due to a misspelling.

It is actually Kenyan economics, and came out of Nairobi.

The Republicans are the only thing protecting America from the special interests: the poor and the middle class.

RentingForHalfTheCost says

Nope. Only in the time of darkness will people open their eyes and start
fighting for a better life again. Life is too easy in this country and time for
everyone to wake up. I see it all day long. A depression is exactly what we need
to challenge us again. I'm ready, bring it on!

We just had an effing depression, what the heck are you talking about??

Life is too easy, but we need to wake up and make it better?