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tts says

A news host who is a 9/11 Truther and goes on Alex Jones' show to talk about it is not proof of a conspiracy.

That is at the very best hearsay.

bgamall4 says

Even Rivera, and the coach from the Seahawks can't believe the government explanation of WTC7 Wigsby.

OK never mind he has to be trolling us.

Sadly, he isn't.

bgamall4 says

We have provided proof on this forum and it is there for everyone to see.

I looked at the "proof" the other 9/11 Truthers were presenting years ago and came away convinced these people were about reasonable as the TP'ers who push "black helicopter", chem-trail, and FEMA death camp conspiracies.

bgamall4 says

Snopes does not know. I will not click on a snopes link. They are discredited.

You want proof?

Now, three explosions with people injured prior to any tower falling.

Eyewitnesses, and Dan Rather was an eyewitness and he said it was explosions. These firefighters confirm he was telling the truth.

Perhaps you'd care to put that in context. What/When/Where? How does their claim relate to your claims etc. etc?

And by the way, eyewitness accounts are not proof, most especially when they fly in the face of all other evidence.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

The quality of your 'evidence' sure is impressive.

You rejected the real evidence. It is just that conservatives are starting to believe what the liberals and libertarians have been saying about 9/11. Just because your masters won't allow you to speak the truth doesn't mean others are no longer afraid.

Conspiracy nut gobbledygook.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

eyewitness accounts are not proof

Only in a court of law. Of course they are proof.

You are making an extraordinary claim and trying to use context free eye-witness reports from a couple of people as definitive proof. Of course it isn't proof, most especially when evidence from any reputable source directly contradicts your claims. Look, if you want to claim that a ridiculous Fox News report, a few puffs of smoke, and some out of context eye witness reports by traumatized individuals support your claims, then feel free to make that assertion, but don't try and pretend that that constitutes proof because it doesn't.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Your source of definitive proof of an extraordinary claim is Fox News? Ha, ha, ha.

Fox News is actually owned by Rupert Murdoch, who also owns popular mechanics. It is also the boss of William Kristol, a neocon who was privy to the false flag prediction on the PNAC website in 2000. That website said it was necessary to have a new Pearl Harbor. So when Fox people start going against Kristol and the neocons it is significant. Damn you are thick as a brick.

Damn, you are so far into your befuddled conspiracy theories it is staggering. I bet you watch Ancient Aliens on the History Channel and nod your head in total agreement.

bgamall4 says

bgamall4 says

If you don't start providing something of substance I am going to delete you. Doesn't the FBI pay you enough to fork over the 5 bucks?

Just kidding, don't get your panties in a wad, Bigs.

Except you aren't joking, you clown. You post that ridiculous shite about me all the time. Apparently anybody who doesn't lap up your idiocy must be paid by the government because you obviously can't comprehend the alternative possibility that most people who read your posts consider them to be laugh-out-loud nonsense.

To think the Mossad didn't know about 9/11 before hand is an insult to their intelligence.

Of course they did.

To think, BY FAR, the greatest intelligence agency in existence didn't know about 9/11 beforehand is quite frankly unfathomable and insulting to any thinking human being. Not possible. Not a chance.

If you think 9/11 was reported accurately by the 9/11 commission you are an idiot. Clearly things are not what they seem.

We deserved it. The US is a terrorist nation who got what it, sadly, deserved.

Dislike it all you want sheep.

CrazyMan says

Dislike it all you want sheep.

Perhaps Bgamall might also like to ask you to offer up some kind of evidence for your assertions. I somehow doubt he will though.

Oh come on. Do you really think we're innocent in all this? Do you really think Israeli intelligence didn't catch a word of something this big coming? Really? Come on.

We're the asshole in this world. Once you understand that it makes things much easier to understand.

CrazyMan says

Oh come on. Do you really think we're innocent in all this? Do you really think Israeli intelligence didn't catch a word of something this big coming? Really? Come on.

We're the asshole in this world. Once you understand that it makes things much easier to understand.

Evidence for your claims? You know, actual evidence that Israeli intelligence knew in advance. Merely stating something as your belief is not exactly persuasive. Just look at Bgamall's claims.

There's a ton dude, you'll just dismiss it as hyperbole.

Read up on it sometime http://lmgtfy.com/?q=israeli+intelligence+9%2F11

You're right though, they knew nothing.

They were completely oblivious.

NSA doesn't exist and our piece of shit govt. and businesses just do happy nice things aroud the world. They're all fucking saints.

Nothing to see here, move along citizen.

Christ.

So let me get this straight, you link to a conspiracy website in an attempt to prove your conspiracy....

Better than the defactco "we're all dipshits".

So yes.

CrazyMan says

There's a ton dude, you'll just dismiss it as hyperbole.

Read up on it sometime http://lmgtfy.com/?q=israeli+intelligence+9%2F11

You're right though, they knew nothing.

They were completely oblivious.

NSA doesn't exist and our govt. and businesses just do happy nice things aroud the world. They're all fucking saints.

Nothing to see here, move along citizen.

Christ.

Post up direct proof that they knew. How hard should that be given your claims? Israel gets hit by missile attacks from Gaza almost on a daily basis. Apparently, their legendary intelligence services are incapable of advanced knowledge of those attacks (or the string of bombings of Egged buses in the 90s etc. etc.) but had complete knowledge of 9/11 because er, you say so.

There is no proof, citizen.

Do you really think it would be that easy?

CNN has recently been proven to take bribes by the govt. to publish certain stories. But hey, they're a reliable source. We should believe them.

We're good here, we're innocent. Everything is just as it seems. Nothing to see here, move along.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

but had complete knowledge of 9/11 because er, you say so.

Because they were there to film the event.

Hey Bigs what is your opinion of Operation Northwoods and of Patrick Clawson? Tell us, in your own words about each.

Why do you want to change the topic? You have posted up the same conspiracy 'theories' for years now. You have used the same videos over and over again. You have posted the same arguments over and over again, whilst simultaneously ignoring anything that contradicts your claims. There is nothing too outlandish that you are willing to use to try and support your 9/11 conspiracy and no contrary fact that you will accept. You are blinded. You have been totally taken over by confirmation bias. You only see what you want to see and all else is discarded as not reinforcing your already formed conclusions. It is pointless arguing with you. You fail to understand the only reason I do it is to amuse myself during down time and the fact that I'm totally flabbergasted by your blustering nonsense and arrogance. "Please read my book." Er, no.

CrazyMan says

There is no proof, citizen.

Do you really think it would be that easy?

CNN has recently been proven to take bribes by the govt. to publish certain stories. But hey, they're a reliable source. We should believe them.

We're good here, we're innocent. Everything is just as it seems. Nothing to see here, move along.

So then you were simply making a baseless assertion. Of what value do you think that is?

OMG, you're right. I'm totally wrong. The world exists only where people in power do the right thing. They're all awesome, I'm an idiot. I should follow in their footsteps.

What was I thinking? You've totally changed my ways, I should be thankful for everything they've done.

My god, how could they do anything wrong. Holy shit I'm saved!!

Get a fricking clue about the world around you, citizen.

HydroCabron says

The Jews don't even bother to lie about it. Al Franken was not in his WTC office that morning, and admits "Yep. I got the Jew call."

Fucking Jews. I heard they eat babies. I think it was on Fox News. Hitler should have finished the job.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Why do you want to change the topic?

I want you to admit the government discussed a false flag in the 1960's. I want you to admit that a neocon openly called for a false flag in 2012.

A neocon called for a false flag in 2012? Of all the things you can point to that your government (or any government) has done, you come up with that example. Good grief. Nobody is denying that governments and organisations within them have done and do a number of illegal things. Iran-Contra, Bay of Pigs etc. etc. What is your point though? Those in no way shape or form prove your assertion that the WTC buildings were brought down by explosives.

No they shouldn't have, obviously.

FFS we should be able to see what has happened, but we cant.

Isreal is not innocent (quite frankly many of them should be lined up) but WE AS A NATION are guilty as shit. We have stood by the atrocities of the world....

But it doesn't' matter. This country will be in ruins in this century. ApocalypseFUCK's predictions will be accurate at some point.

CrazyMan says

OMG, you're right. I'm totally wrong. The world exists only where people in power do the right thing. They're all awesome, I'm an idiot. I should follow in their footsteps.

What was I thinking? You've totally changed my ways, I should be thankful for everything they've done.

My god, how could they do anything wrong. Holy shit I'm saved!!

Get a fricking clue about the world around you, citizen.

Nobody said they do nothing wrong. I asked you for proof of your assertion that Mossad or Aman knew about 9/11 in advance. You have singularly failed to do that. Pretending that I believe governments are all sweetness and light doesn't strengthen your argument. On the contrary, it reinforces the belief that you have nothing substantive to back up your assertions.

CrazyMan says

No they shouldn't have, obviously.

FFS we should be able to see what has happened, but we cant.

Isreal is not innocent (quite frankly many of them should be lined up) but WE AS A NATION are guilty as shit. We have stood by the atrocities of the world....

But it doesn't' matter. This country will be in ruins in this century. ApocalypseFUCK's predictions will be accurate at some point.

Bluster doesn't prove your point.

lol I don't.

You're right, I am wrong. We're all good here, citizen.

Just keep thinking everything is good. We're good (we're AWESOME).

AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!

No problem here.

CrazyMan says

lol I don't.

You're right, I am wrong. We're all good here, citizen.

Just keep thinking everything is good. We're good (we're AWESOME).

AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!

No problem here.

I'm not American.

It doesn't make a difference, citizen. Enjoy the future.

CrazyMan says

It doesn't make a difference, citizen. Enjoy the future.

I'm not a citizen of your country either. And I'd say that given all that faces humanity now and in the future, you should be putting your conspiracy nonsense very, very far down the list of things to be concerned about.

And that seeks to demonstrate what exactly? One ex-military individual shares your conspiracy theories. Profound stuff indeed.

Why? really?

Maybe that's why your country is so shitty (I have no doubt that it is) because your citizens have so little to worry about.

There's nothing worse in the world than being a country that is irrelevant.

Congrats on your life.

CrazyMan says

Why? really?

Maybe that's why your country is so shitty (I have no doubt that it is) because your citizens have so little to worry about.

There's nothing worse in the world than being a country that is irrelevant.

Congrats on your life.

England is a pretty decent country, but thanks for the arrogant not to mention moronic remarks. I'd expect nothing more from you.

'Professor', quoting a bunch of military individuals (and not particularly high ranking ones either) who share your conspiracy views is proof of nothing. What is it that you are actually trying to demonstrate?

egads101 says

The magic number for inventory is 6 months, if you do not see the magic 6, the prices shall continue to rise.

Overly simplistic analysis based on market behavior since post WWII.

The bigger and more subtler problem is that your avg. American has been getting poorer since the late 70's/early 80's despite working as hard or harder as he ever had. This is because wages have stagnated or even declined as labor has lost bargaining power with capital and we have transitioned to a service economy where most jobs are low paying and unspecialized labor.

At the same time retirement funds have been severely depleted or wiped out entirely by 2 back to back bubbles (.com & housing) in the US. So the older generation cannot fund another boom or bubble as their retirement. What little money they do have left will be wiped out by the costs of healthcare which even if they went down, and it won't since the best that can be hoped for is a large decrease in the rate of increase, would still be too expensive.

The younger generation is hamstrung by high college debt and the near unavailability of decent paying full time entry level jobs. They can barely keep food on the table even while living in their parents basement with the McJobs they can get. Those jobs also have no real opportunities for advancement either and often have little or no benefits too. They are the age group that normally buys those starter homes and many of them are now into their mid to late 20's, even early 30's, and still have no ability to get a house. Nor likely will they ever, short of inheriting their parents house of course.

None of that is going to change either any time soon.

Indeed the best we can realistically hope for is that we don't get another recession, which is optimistic to say the least. The US tends to get them every 7-10 yr and our economy is no longer so big that we can easily weather an economic shock from foreign economies if they go into recession too.

We're probably going to continue to along a path similar to what Japan has experienced following its big bust in the late 80's since that is the path of least political resistance.

http://www.businessinsider.com/richard-koo-the-world-in-balance-sheet-recession-2012-4?op=1

Sadly for Japan it looks like the demographics bomb (too many and eventually more old people than young people, olds start collecting on their retirement money to live off and eventually need more and more healthcare, *boom* goes the economy) is going to go off before they ever really reach a solid recovery despite a redoubling of efforts on their governments' part lately. They've been throwing money like mad at businesses and the rich to start development programs but none of that money is trickling down to raise worker's wages.

It never could of course, as we Americans learned from Ronnie Raygun in the 80's, trickle down economics never works.

http://rt.com/op-edge/fukushima-disaster-economy-debt-stimulus-840/

England is a great country, but clearly irrelevant, no doubt.

It just follows along in the footsteps...

It has a leash that is controlled by the US.

Sit ubu sit.

BTW, I've been drinking a lot. So stop making me fun of me :).

Our govt..... er god damn businesses have nothing to do but hide from what they have done.

We should string them up. Hailburton? Lockheed? Goldman Sachs? BofA?

Holy Christ hang them.

The world would be a better place.

The Professor says

Bigs, I can see you're replying to me from the main page. Please don't bother. I got tired of your tedious bullshit and put you on ignore. I suggest you do the same for me and then you will not have to see my posts.

But since you still can...

You got tired of my tedious bullshit and put me on ignore? Good, though it's strange how you keep responding to my posts. Not to mention that it's a bit rich for a repetitive conspiracy bullshitter to be complaining about another poster being tedious. One would even be inclined to say it was laughable. Tedious would be someone posting up exactly the same videos and images into the double digits. I wonder who that might be...

Wow, this assertion is off the charts. You are aware, bgamall, that a disproportionate number of Jews worked at Cantor Fitzgerald, including a guy I went to college with, and all those people perished? Daniel Lewin, CTO of Akamai Technologies, and a former member of Sayeret Matkal of the IDF special forces, was one of the first people killed on AA Flight 11, as he took on some of the hijackers, right?

One would think that if there were a big conspiracy, that Cantor would have closed down, and Lewin especially would not have boarded that flight.

I don't think we know the whole story on the 9/11 attacks, but to propose the Israelis were behind it rivals birtherism. You just lost any credibility you have by posting clips from Russia Today and Faux News.

Even Matt Taibbi, one of the biggest critics ever of US policies, says most 9/11 conspiracy theories are rubbish.

@tts that was very well put. Economic cycles are circular, but there's a difference between short cycles (bubble/recession) and longer term civilization cycles where government policies have long term and lasting effects on a population that wind up affecting the economy in a big way and lead to collapse or government change.

egads101 says

Banks gave very stupid loans from 2001 - 2007.

Since then, they've been stupid the other way, denying loans that are quite safe.

tts says

We're probably going to continue to along a path similar to what Japan has experienced following its big bust in the late 80's since that is the path of least political resistance.

True.
I don’t see interest rising in near future. More likely will drop to 3.5-4% on 30y fix. Federal budget debt is not helping at all. Only a small percentage of people received rise in jobs. Most salaries are stagnating for years. Job creation is way, way bellow needs, keep employers in driving seats so they can terrorize and ride on workers as much as they can, with danger of being fired. 1% is not interested in opening new businesses, lack of incentives. They just look where to park the money or buy existing business.