patrick.net

turtledove says

Bigsby says

You must be reading a different forum to me. It's almost entirely populated by conspiracy freaks, racists, ultra ring-wing loons and unhinged anti-Obama nuts these days.

And everyone of them is entitled to his or her opinion. It shouldn't cause people to lose their minds because of what someone says (someone you DON'T even know). They are just words. My power is in the upper right corner of my computer screen. I can click on that "X" any time I feel like it.

Maybe, though the world would be a much better place without some of the opinions expressed on this forum. And entitlement to an opinion doesn't equate to 'intelligent discussion.'

Bigsby says

turtledove says

this site is supposed to be an intelligent discussion where people from different vantage points discuss relevant topics.

You must be reading a different forum to me. It seems to be almost entirely populated by conspiracy freaks, racists, ultra right-wing loons and unhinged anti-Obama nuts these days.

Right on, the same loons who incessantly bash George "Zimfuck" Zimmerman for (and denying him the right to) using violence after being pinned to the ground under a brutal beatdown, but then are totally ok with going apeshit and advocating violence against someone who had the audacity to disagree with them on a web forum! Oh wait, that was somebody else.. ;)

Or simply the people who post blatantly racist and homophobic comments on here without any consequence. How about them for starters?
And I'm glad you know exactly what happened to George Zimmerman on that night. He certainly comes across as a likeable chap. Wouldn't hurt a fly...

Bigsby says

Or simply the people who post blatantly racist and homophobic comments on here without any consequence. How about them for starters?

And I'm glad you know exactly what happened to George Zimmerman on that night. He certainly comes across as a likeable chap. Wouldn't hurt a fly...

That is irrelevant. I don't have to like GZ. The definition of racism is subject to interpretation and without any further calls to harm the group of people targeted by what you perceive as racism those comments are protected by freedom of speech. This may be hard to swallow for some but it is the only way to prevent governments from hijacking morality and turning into an oppressive Orwellian fascist state.

mell says

Bigsby says

Or simply the people who post blatantly racist and homophobic comments on here without any consequence. How about them for starters?

And I'm glad you know exactly what happened to George Zimmerman on that night. He certainly comes across as a likeable chap. Wouldn't hurt a fly...

That is irrelevant. I don't have to like GZ. The definition of racism is subject to interpretation and without any further calls to harm the group of people targeted by what you perceive as racism those comments are protected by freedom of speech. This may be hard to swallow for some but it is the only way to prevent governments from hijacking morality and turning into an oppressive Orwellian fascist state.

A good number of posts I've read on here aren't subject to too much interpretation. They have been blatantly racist or homophobic. And your supposed right to freedom of speech has plenty of restrictions. It doesn't seem to have turned the US into an 'oppressive Orwellian fascist state' despite what some on this forum like to think.

Most people don't support homophobia or racism. But this is a public forum. Racists and homophobes do, in fact, have the right to say things no matter how foul most of us would find those words to be. The line is crossed at threatening to hurt another person.

I wish I didn't have to read idiocy, too. But I don't feel that I have the right to determine the rule book of what others are allowed to think and feel. It is not illegal for a person to hate gay people. IMHO, it's a waste of their energy. I might tell them that I don't appreciate their words; I can try to help them appreciate a different way of looking at things.... But that's the extent of what any of us can do.

Personally, I wish many of you would dispense with some of the language used on this site. It's as if you think that continuously dropping the F-bomb impacts the credibility of your argument. A few months ago, my nine-year-old daughter came up behind me while I was reading a thread on patnet and said, "mommy, that's the F-word." I shouldn't have to shield my computer screen from my kids as if I were watching porn. Now, that's my opinion, and I'm entitled to it. The best part of all is.... You have the right to disagree with me.

Bigsby says

You know perhaps Roberto wouldn't be so irritated as to make that remark if you didn't repeatedly call someone with his stated background a 'rich spoiled fuck.' Did you think he would be best pleased by that? Would you if you were him?

You're being dishonest again. You know perfectly well he called me much, much worse things than that, many more times. In fact I was very restrained compared to the heaps and heaps of gratuitous insults and profanity he was throwing in my direction. Do I need to quote all the nasty names he called me? The difference is, I do not threaten someone with physical violence "in real life" just because they called me nasty names on the internet. Honestly, what's not to understand here?

Bigsby says

Oh, by the way Homeboy, I can see your posts if I don't log on.

Wow. So you announced that you were done here, but then came back to troll me some more. Then you announced that you were putting me on ignore, but you log out just to read and respond to my posts.

Can you say, "obsessed"?

Bigsby says

You should take a good look at the constant baiting coming from Homeboy in thread after thread to give it a bit of context.

Baiting? Look at some of the things you and Roberto were writing in this thread:

"seriously, you are a fucking loser. and a moron

Flunk life much?

are you, in real life, as fucking stupid as you are on here?

you are continuing to be an arsehole

You really are an arrogant so-and-so. Let me guess, you're in your 20s, think you are super duper intelligent, dislike your job, and are wondering why life has dealt you a crappy hand. Is that right? Or perhaps you'd care to explain why it is you're such a petulant and arrogant individual.

You are clearly a rather tiresome and extraordinarily arrogant arsehole"

I mean, really Bigsby. Who was doing the baiting?

Bigsby says

And someone phoned up his place of work, and.... We're still in the dark about who that was from this website. There can't be that many potential candidates.

If this is supposed to be some sort of veiled accusation, you can kiss my ass, Bigsby. I was barely aware of Roberto's existence; I just remember he was that guy who got in fights all the time and bragged about his Arizona investments. I didn't even know egads was the same person until someone pointed it out here. You can see in this thread where I came to the realization that it was Roberto, and my surprise that all the time he had been talking about real estate in Arizona rather than California like the rest of us. I don't threaten people in real life, not only because it is a crime, but because it is wrong. I didn't do it here, even though you classy gentlemen were calling me a "pussy" and trying to egg me on. Roberto didn't like it when it happened to him, but he doesn't seem to mind doing it to others. If you are accusing me of something, you ought to think long and hard about that, because you too are in danger of crossing a line.

You seem to suffer from the same emotional fragility as Roberto, although thankfully not to the same degree. If you are considering falsely accusing someone of a crime to get revenge because your feelings were hurt on an internet forum, you might need to step away from the computer.

50 bigsby, not a measly 13...but the big Five O.
Think of all the quadrillian quid you'd be swimmin in come taxtime if you boyz had figured out it was suicide marchin 100 wide into battle 'stead of tree hoppin like the victorious bluebloods of yesteryear!

Bigsby says

So, yes, you're probably right, I could and should find another forum less populated by racists and conspiracists. Perhaps I'm just used to the familiar. I'll have a look round or better still find something more constructive to do with my time.

Is this a come on or a felony.
Homeboy says

Bigsby says

And someone phoned up his place of work, and.... We're still in the dark about who that was from this website. There can't be that many potential candidates.

If this is supposed to be some sort of veiled accusation, you can kiss my ass, Bigsby

What's the truth? egads = Roberto?

I don't think there's ever a need to degenerate a debate into personal insults whether it's politics or real estate. Arguments can be done in good faith whether they are based on opinions or documented evidence.

Perhaps this was discussed somewhere else, but how do we know that someone made a threatening phone call to Roberto? I know he said someone did, but do we know this actually happened? Are the police involved? Have they been able to check the phone records?

turtledove says

made a threatening phone call to Roberto?

Some vindictive whimp apparently called his employer.
Mind you this is instead of just hitting the "ignore" button and carrying on.

Robert Sproul says

turtledove says

made a threatening phone call to Roberto?

Some vindictive whimp apparently called his employer.

Mind you this is instead of just hitting the "ignore" button and carrying on.

Clearly, the person making the phone call has a few screws loose.

But if I'm understanding everything correctly, Roberto's employer received a threatening phone call directed at Roberto. Roberto then proceeded to have his screen name and all posts under that screen name erased by Patrick. Roberto then comes back as Egads, admitting he is, in fact, Roberto.

I'm with him right up to the point that he comes back as Egads and admits he's Roberto. I'm assuming the reason he had his original screen name and posts removed from the site is because he felt threatened by a lunatic and didn't want to take chances learning what the lunatic might be capable of. I would have done the same thing in his situation.

Where he loses me is why he would come back as Egads and openly continue the Roberto cause. Either he felt threatened by the lunatic or he didn't. If he felt threatened (threatened enough to want to erase his old identity) why on Earth would he advertise that Egads and Roberto are one and the same?

turtledove says

Either he felt threatened by the lunatic or he didn't. If he felt threatened (threatened enough to want to erase his old identity) why on Earth would he advertise that Egads and Roberto are one and the same?

I am given to understand that it was HE that was portrayed as the threat, armed and crazy, etc.
To his employer, by some rodent from this site.
I would guess he came back because he THRIVES on the fray.
He never acknowledged the Roberto/egads link but he has a persona that is hard to disguise.

Bigsby says

And someone phoned up his place of work, and.... We're still in the dark about who that was from this website. There can't be that many people to choose from.

And I suspect that this particular threat wouldn't hold much water in a court of law: "conditional threats are true threats if their context reasonably conveys to the victim that they are intended." Doesn't seem too likely when directed at an anonymous internet troll...

Ha ha. I knew you'd be back, Bigsby. How many times have you given us a goodbye speech now? Three? Just couldn't stay away; had to come back and level your lame false accusation once again. You are one angry dude.

turtledove says

If he felt threatened (threatened enough to want to erase his old identity) why on Earth would he advertise that Egads and Roberto are one and the same?

I don't think he was that worried about the phone call. I think he was just switching screen names to be a more effective troll. Didn't he switch it from "Oracle" to "Egads" while keeping the same avatar? If he were worried about people finding out who he was, I don't think he'd keep the same avatar.

Bigsby says

Bigsby says

You should take a good look at the constant baiting coming from Homeboy in thread after thread to give it a bit of context.

baiting = legal

physical threat = felony

And someone phoned up his place of work, and.... We're still in the dark about who that was from this website. There can't be that many people to choose from.

And I suspect that this particular threat wouldn't hold much water in a court of law: "conditional threats are true threats if their context reasonably conveys to the victim that they are intended." Doesn't seem too likely when directed at an anonymous internet troll...

Why are you trying to instigate a website witch hunt?

Homeboy says

Bigsby says

And someone phoned up his place of work, and.... We're still in the dark about who that was from this website. There can't be that many people to choose from.

And I suspect that this particular threat wouldn't hold much water in a court of law: "conditional threats are true threats if their context reasonably conveys to the victim that they are intended." Doesn't seem too likely when directed at an anonymous internet troll...

Ha ha. I knew you'd be back, Bigsby. How many times have you given us a goodbye speech now? Three? Just couldn't stay away; had to come back and level your lame false accusation once again. You are one angry dude.

Actually, I still read the site and will no doubt continue to do so from time to time, but I had till now decided not to post again and stopped doing so at the weekend. For this, though, I will make an exception till Patrick removes my account as requested. I didn't post that message (at least not intentionally) - it is exactly the same (though reversed for some reason) as a previous post, 203, and is not something I would want or have any need to repost. It is, I presume, a glitchy delayed posting of an edited comment. And I'd be happy to remove the post but didn't want to do so without comment.
And I'm not particularly angry, though you do irritate the hell out of me. You, however, are most certainly projecting as any cursory read through of your posts demonstrates.
And just out of curiousity, why is one of your 31 threads dedicated to attacking a fellow forum member who was, according to you, 'not on my radar much till this thread?'

Bigsby says

And just out of curiousity, why is one of your 31 threads dedicated to attacking a fellow forum member who was, according to you, 'not on my radar much till this thread?'

Hmmm.. I guess you're right. I remember that now. Roberto totally flipped out and spent all day resurrecting dead threads from the same guy and writing a whole bunch of posts in a row. I obviously have a bad memory. I take that back about him not being on my radar.

Call it Crazy says

I think he still has two more screen names here on Patnet, I wonder if he will recreate himself again on one of them??

... you will see it... its called E G O ! cant miss it !!!!

Call it Crazy says

Should we start a pool to see which one he comes back with, or maybe he'll create a whole new persona??

LOL!! so right..

Please ANYONE reading this from some random link or search engine, do NOT believe the BS, unless you want to lose a LOT of money. Apparently there is no more "egads", which is a fucking shame because he at least gave a counterpoint to the poor fools on here who lost thousands or even millions. There are many sad individuals who didn't buy and who are very bitter about it. Misery loves company and they want YOU to be miserable as well.

Well...this thread is a Blast from the Past.

Wow, an old thread got revived. Looking at this 11.5 year old thread now, I’m not sure who are the real victims of the housing market… I cringe when I hear someone calls others sheeple, stupid or dumbass as we don’t know who is actually smarter than whom. That’s just me.

Well, he was right about two bottoms back then.

It's irrelevant to debate housing in a country that continues unfettered immigration and subsidizing home buying and renting programs. If it wouldn't engage in the above the outlook would have been bearish most of the past decades, but so there is constant pressure to house people and house prices will never crash significantly until subsidies and immigration are removed. Instead prices will keep going up with smaller dips here and there, similar to the stock market. After realizing the above fact, we bought at one of the many called tops and are already 15%-20% above it. Wine country was totally worth it