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Investment vs speculation:

http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/09/difference-between-investing-speculating.asp

From that article:
"The main difference between speculating and investing is the amount of of risk undertaken in the trade."

So they are in fact very much one of the same. Thanks for proving my point. Indeed- investing is akin to speculating in that both take risks, and both are made via the assumption and hope of a profit to be had.

Wow: this is news to you?

I don't watch much cable, and I've known he was Gloria's son for years.

You need better news sources.

edvard2 says

From that article:

"The main difference between speculating and investing is the amount of of risk undertaken in the trade."

So they are in fact very much one of the same. Thanks for proving my point. Indeed- investing is akin to speculating in that both take risks, and both are made via the assumption and hope of a profit to be had.

If a first time homebuyer buys a condo would that be speculating?
Most real estate being held for a long time would be investing. Flippers could be counted as speculators.

HEY YOU says

AF says: "..participate in a hoax that requires them to repeat devastatingly cruel lies..."

Watch me work.

"Iraq has Weapons of Mass Destruction."

Hoaxing at it's best.

And the reason that WMD, Tillman, etc. have no bearing here?

The government was exposed in those cases, and by the MSM, at that.

Sandy Hook and Dealey Plaza are much, much harder to cover up than a friendly fire death in a remote Afghan foxhole. Maybe a gun nut really did kill those kids at Sandy Hook, and that Oswald was a pathetic loser who acted alone: neither assertion contradicts the known fact that the government lies.

If your spouse lies to you about where she was Saturday night, it does not constitute ironclad proof that she is a shape-shifting lizard person from Andromeda, or that we're living in the matrix: the latter conclusions require specific proof, beyond just the fact that your spouse has been known to lie.

People don't grieve every second of their lives. Could be a forced smile or a photo catching a transitioning emotion.
The best way of proving your point is to produce the kids. Where are they?

No sh*t Sherlock! It's been common knowledge, since he'd become a newscaster, that he was Gloria Vanderbilt's son and thus, Cornelius Vanderbilt's (great)*3 grandson for some time now.

And my wish is that all Trustafarians like him become scientists, since it's highly unlikely that anyone from the middle class will be going into the sciences from here forth.

Let me guess what comes next: since the government and the MSM have clearly been hiding Anderson's lineage from you, they're lying about everything else, too!

You're so busy steeping your mind in impossibly-sophisticated and ineffectual conspiracy theories that you don't open a damned newspaper or magazine. You don't have to follow Rense, Loose Change, or Alex Jones to keep up with the conspiracies, because they're all out in the open, on the front page of the New York Times, or in the business or society sections: who's married/related to whom, who gave money to who's political campaign, and who went to school with whom.

Here's another weird one: George W. Bush is the son - you're not gonna believe this! - of the man who was president before Clinton. And Obama went to an Ivy League school, same as many managers at Goldman Sachs!

If the government could lie to us about that, they're lying to us about everything, and the only conclusion is that everything is controlled by the Illuminati, who came to us via time machine from the future, and have replaced most humans with Zionist lizard people!

HydroCabron says

since the government and the MSM have clearly been hiding Anderson's lineage from you

You know, I wish that I were also a Vanderbilt (and that that the govt had hid it from me all these years), so that when I discover my Trust Fund, left by great grand-daddy Vandy (or Rockefeller), that I don't blow it automatically, on hookers and blow.

Now that I'm Rin Vandy, I can spend the rest of my life, doing scientific research pro bono, without ever having to draw a paycheck.

Homeboy says

Ah, you have opened my eyes with your brilliant and entirely self-consistent analysis of the GM bailout. It was good, except that it was bad. LOL.

Obviously you have difficulty analyzing complex problems. It seems the answer has to be right/wrong, or good/bad for you to understand.

In reality, most actions/decisions have some good aspects and some poor aspects. One hopes that the good outweighs the bad.

Understanding complexity is not inconsistent, it's just perhaps a higher level of understanding than you are capable.

sayonara gold

I think of the Obamaphone program as corporate welfare as well.

If it's any consolation to you, his lineage will die with him.

debyne says

tatupu70 says

Please post evidence that ANY of the donation pages were set up before the tragedy.

Look at this:

http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2013/01/08/sandy-hook-ripdonation-webpages-created-before-the-massacre/

How do you explain that?

As is clearly stated on many sites, you can repurpose a facebook page with less than 200 likes. The original date remains the same.

houses are far “more expensive” today then from 2003-2007

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=qcs

blue is mortgage rates, red is case shiller, 2005-1-1 = 100

So home prices are 10% under 2005 and interest rates are 25% lower*.

Furthermore, wages are 25% higher:

http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=qct

* actually in the 2005 period teaser-rates adjustable, interest-only and negative-am was being abused to substantially lower the effective interest rate of new mortgages so this is somewhat incorrect

Interesting (maybe useless facts): the total amount of gold ever produced is approximately the volume of a cube 82 feet on each side.
The total amount of platinum ever produced would fit into a cube approximately 20 feet on each side.

The value of gold produced in any one year is about what the US government spent to launch it's GPS satellites. The volume of all gold produced in any one year (worldwide) would be a cube approximately 14 feet on each side.

RentingForHalfTheCost says

SubOink says

Cdon, about 70% of posters that were telling me how stupid is was to buy in 2011 have actually vanished from this forum (a strange way of admitting they were wrong)...or at least have taken on new screennames.

Since 2011 your downpayment alone would have netted you a nice chunk of money in the stock market. If you were smart then even more than the run up in your sugar shack.

What makes you think I don't have money in the stock market? LOL

But speaking of it - those gains would have been massively reduced by the high rent I would have to pay because my family needs a place to live.

RentingForHalfTheCost says

I only chose the best landlords with the highest credit score and track record.

That would exactly be me :)

Iwag says

Enjoy your lifelong rent increases...

Umm I don't rent you ridiculous pea brain moron. I bought my house in the fucking 90's.

You want to compare price appreciation between my home in the Richmond in S.F to your shack that you scrapped your pennies together for so that you could be chained for 30 years?

I promise you it will make you look like an utter idiot, but you've already accomplished that quite nicely fuck face

Why are so angry? Something tells me you are not as well of as you claim to be. So you bought your house in the 90's - GOOD FOR YOU. So...whats the problem?

Maybe he can sell his prison mates properties while he is serving his time.

jvolstad says

Maybe he can sell his prison mates properties while he is serving his time.

That's right, real estate transactions are becoming one of the vehicles of choice for money laundering.

Jail may be the best thing that ever happened to him.

Bigsby says

debyne says

tatupu70 says

Please post evidence that ANY of the donation pages were set up before the tragedy.

Look at this:

http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2013/01/08/sandy-hook-ripdonation-webpages-created-before-the-massacre/

How do you explain that?

As is clearly stated on many sites, you can repurpose a facebook page with less than 200 likes. The original date remains the same.

So all of these donation sites were all just coincidentally created for some other completely different purpose barely within a day or two before the event and then repurposed?? Really?

debyne says

So all of these donation sites were all just coincidentally created for some other completely different purpose barely within a day or two before the event and then repurposed?? Really?

All these? A couple of people create facebook pages that nobody looks at and then decide to repurpose them to commemorate a terrible event. But of course, that to you is impossible. To you, it is far more likely that Sandy Hook was a hoax, that the family and friends of all those killed are lying about what happened (along with the literally thousands of other people directly involved). I think I should be the one saying 'REALLY?'

bgamall4 says

debyne says

So all of these donation sites were all just coincidentally created for some other completely different purpose barely within a day or two before the event and then repurposed?? Really?

Thanks for thinking of this as I was thinking the same thing. But I see you beat me to it!

Good grief. What exactly were you thinking? That you would post up your ridiculous and offensive beliefs about Sandy Hook so you could peddle more of your 9/11 bollocks, or that it is strange that a couple of people changed their brand new unvisited facebook pages to commemorate a terrible event. Hmm, would you like me to tell you which one I think is stranger?

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

A couple of people create facebook pages that nobody looks at and then decide to repurpose them to commemorate a terrible event.

But just a few days before? That is highly unlikely. Multiple people doing so? Come on Bigsby, you are fighting an unwinable battle on this one.

It's precisely because they were new sites that they could be changed. Barely anyone had visited them. They had less than 200 likes. The people who had created them decided to use them for another purpose. Exactly how many millions of people use facebook? And you think it is strange a couple of people repurposed their pages? You who believe some of the most outlandish conspiracy nonsense going and that you constantly peddle on here think THAT is strange. Give me strength.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Hmm, would you like me to tell you which one I think is stranger?

No, I don't need your opinion. It is useless.

Says the person who thinks Sandy Hook was a hoax.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

The people who had created them decided to use them for another purpose.

How the hell do you know that? I don't go around creating pages very often on Facebook. Most people don't. It is something not done regularly, especially if you can't get many likes.

How do I know that? You state as fact some of the most ridiculous nonsense peddled on the internet, and you ask me how I know that. Good grief. And you say that creating facebook pages 'is something not done regularly.' Err, on what planet do you exist?

Debyne asked how people can explain the facebook pages. I just did. Obviously you won't accept it because you would much rather run with your outlandish and offensive narrative than accept a far simpler and more obvious explanation. That is what you do. Constantly.

tatupu70 says

Obviously you have difficulty analyzing complex problems. It seems the answer has to be right/wrong, or good/bad for you to understand.

No, it just has to not be both AT THE SAME TIME. LOL.

You wrote: " The bailout prevented demand from falling at a time when keeping demand was very important. In that respect it was good."

Again, we paid $780,000 PER JOB to keep GM workers employed, so that, according to you, some of them might buy GM cars. And that's assuming that they'd all lose their jobs, which wouldn't have happened. You do understand that a car costs less than $780,000, don't you? How is that "good"?

bgamall4 says

Not when you have 100 percent zero tears. I can see an occasional person not showing tears, but every damn one of them?

Come on Bigsby.

More nonsense from you. 100% zero tears? Good grief.

You constantly post up that video of Robbie Parker briefly smiling, for example, as if that is proof of your moronic hoax theory when in fact it is a response that is not unusual given the circumstances. This was explained in the paper that you saw in the previous thread and that you have decided to completely ignore so that you can continue peddling this idiotic argument.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

You constantly post up that video of Robbie Parker briefly smiling,

No moron. He was laughing. Here is a lesson in method acting for you:

http://www.howcast.com/videos/315111-How-to-Master-Method-Acting

Laughing, smiling... you are stating as fact that these responses are impossible when in fact there is scientific research that demonstrates that these kind of emotional reactions are pretty typical responses to such traumatic events.

Are you going to delete this post as well?

bgamall4 says

Here is a guy, Gene Rosen, who says he looked at the casualty list at 6:00 pm on the day of the "shooting". But the list was not published until two days later. And he is a no tears guy too. Method actor:

So how many thousands of method actors do you think were involved? That's quite the Hollywood production. Was it directed by James Cameron? Were the hundreds of journalists there also method actors. The police? The first responders? Family? Friends? Every single person interviewed? The doctors? The nurses? Other hospital staff? And on and on it goes.

I still say high rents are keeping home prices high. Rents are at all-time historic highs based on income. Monthly nut for a mortgage is probably still at 2003-2004 levels. Meanwhile monthly rents are hovering at all-time highs.

Strategist says

If a first time homebuyer buys a condo would that be speculating?

Most real estate being held for a long time would be investing. Flippers could be counted as speculators.

avg holding is around 6 years, since the 1997 tax law change, it has become more speculative. You get to keep a good chunk of gains untaxed...

bgamall4 says

Anderson Cooper Is a Vanderbilt

And..............he 'used' to work for the CIA.

Super-duper double spooky, huh.

bgamall4 says

Of course. It explains why he is a cover for Sandy Hook. Check out this
amazing video upisdown if you haven't seen it:

Sandy Hook, I couldn't care less about it because what's done is done, and it can't be UNdone. I really like that the crazy kid shot his mom(with her gun) first though. Justice comes in many ways.

But AC being part of the CIA is a norm because it's the playground for plutocrats and their spawn, and they get to act out their version of humanity and society without the inconveniences of laws and retribution. The fact that ANY former CIA member is front and center on one of the main 'news' channels is what should bother you and everybody else.

Anderson flew the false flag of heterosexuality until he exhibited an online boner for boehner.

SoftShell says

Anderson flew the false flag of heterosexuality until he exhibited an online
boner for boehner.

Was that with or without Kathy Griffin's thumb up his ass for full rigidity?

Couple times a week I eat dinner at this cafe that always has CNN running on one of the TV's and Anderson cooper is always seems to be on. He's always doing interviews usually with some black women and everything is always over the top drama about travyon martin case or how evil whitey is. Can't sit down and put my headphones in fast enough.

Homeboy says

No, it just has to not be both AT THE SAME TIME. LOL.

You wrote: " The bailout prevented demand from falling at a time when keeping demand was very important. In that respect it was good."

Again, we paid $780,000 PER JOB to keep GM workers employed, so that, according to you, some of them might buy GM cars. And that's assuming that they'd all lose their jobs, which wouldn't have happened. You do understand that a car costs less than $780,000, don't you? How is that "good"?

Like I said--you seem to have a very difficult time with complexity. I'll try it again for you--it's really pretty simple.

Preventing demand from falling is good.

Spending too much money to maintain demand is bad.

See how that works?

The bailout decision had good aspects and bad aspects. Pretending that it was 100% bad with no positives is just silly.

Call it Crazy says

However, with respect to housing, when prices are moving higher, not a single soul will ever forecast a “consolidation” or “contraction”, rather periods of “less appreciation”.

They don't? Have the author never been to Pat.net before?

bgamall4 says

And how do you leave the rifle in the car and carry 4 handguns into the school. The news guy said that the rifle was left in the car according to "officials".

But he fired 150 rounds according to the official report. You can't fucking do that without a rifle. You can't fire 150 rounds from 4 pistols.

I see you have your 'facts' in their usual (dis)order. Is a Bushmaster considered a handgun these days?

bgamall4 says

How could Lanza carry a shotgun, two rifles and 4 pistols. He was a wimp.

Except that wasn't what he was carrying.

bgamall4 says

Damn hoax. Zionist hoax.

So to you it's not only a hoax, but a ZIONIST HOAX. Care to explain that one?

bgamall4 says

The video shows that, while Gene Rosen is not in the screen actors guild, as the debunkers gleefully state, he is very involved in LOCAL THEATER. He is an actor! How convenient.

I swear that you must be paid to post this nonsense to make truthers look even more barking mad than they already do. You are earning every penny.

bgamall4 says

A boy said all the police officers had machine guns. Lanza had 4 pistols. So who fired the shots?

Why are you asking that? You think it's a hoax, don't you? A ZIONIST HOAX no less.