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Strategist
2014 Jan 19, 8:26am
That guy isn't actually eating that burger
He didn't get that way eating carrots you know.
That's just an appetizer.
I'm just debating why we have an obesity epidemic.
Partly DNA... some foods will blow up people while have no effect on others. Hawaiians/Pacific Islanders are highly sensitive to Western foods and will gain rapid weight and illness, vs normal traditional diets.
The Obesity Epidemic in the Pacific Islands - Maxwell School
www.maxwell.syr.edu/uploadedFiles/moynihan/dst/curtis5.pdf‎
physical activity and a dependence on a Western diet. The traditional foods of ... million square miles, from Midway Island (in the Hawaiian chain) in the North to ...
New Renter
2014 Jan 19, 10:30am
Apples at Walmart cost $1.17lb
a 12 oz can of frozen concentrate apple juice - just juice, no HFCS - runs about $0.78 to make 48oz of juice. That's four 12 oz drinks, the same size as a can of soda for about the same price as Walmart generic soda.
JodyChunder
2014 Jan 19, 10:37am
How come I never see any fat people in McDonald's they all look normal to me?
Might be because they're simply fearful of public scorn, tacit or otherwise, opting to procure their victuals through the drive-thru instead. It's lamentable, because I love love love buxom women -- what most assholes call fat.
And a lot of what you said is correct. A tendency toward huskiness (or again, fat, for the less sensitive) is largely genetic. For instance, all of the men on the Chunder side of the family were naturally barrel chested (think Ernest Borgnine). Up until my middle forties, when I became rich and began eating only lobster three Xs a day, I ate like a monster: my breakfastes consisted of an egg and ham sandwich (four or five eggs, min) with some Tums crumbled over top and a gallon of black coffee (with salt) that I'd nip at throughout the day. Lunch took me through about three cans of peaches, a glass of buttermilk with 1/10" layer of pepper on top and a potted meat sandwich (lots of pickles). Dinner consisted of any number of glorious victuals, but Fridays was always a tenderloin steak, french fries w/ gravy and a couple of shrimp cocktails alongside a few well-built drinks. I usually ate a can of Planters or a few hostess pies on the way home, too. That's every week of my life, the whole time during which, I took a size 32 in Levis.
Either genetics were my friend, Levi was a liar, or even the bad stuff was less bad in some way back then. (Granted, my arterial walls are likely slathered with a few nice layers of hard plaque up and down em.)
rufita11
2014 Jan 19, 10:45am
Genetics were my friend. (Granted, my arterial walls are likely slathered with a few nice layers of hard plaque up and down em.)
I guess the blessing of getting fat easily is that you know when you have to quit eating crap and start piling on the greens, clean protein and exercise.
JodyChunder
2014 Jan 19, 10:57am
I guess the blessing of getting fat easily is that you know when you have to quit eating crap and start piling on the greens, clean protein and exercise.
I was always hustling back then, but not what you'd call exercise. I didn't mess with that jazz until I was well into my 50's, and started going for weighted middle-distance runs through the morongo valley (at night), and I only did that for my ticker.
JodyChunder
2014 Jan 19, 10:58am
Maybe because he isn't looking close enough....
*
That's just mean.
Besides, those are what you call outliers.
Strategist
2014 Jan 19, 11:04am
I'm just debating why we have an obesity epidemic.
Partly DNA... some foods will blow up people while have no effect on others. Hawaiians/Pacific Islanders are highly sensitive to Western foods and will gain rapid weight and illness, vs normal traditional diets.
The Obesity Epidemic in the Pacific Islands - Maxwell School
www.maxwell.syr.edu/uploadedFiles/moynihan/dst/curtis5.pdf‎
physical activity and a dependence on a Western diet. The traditional foods of ... million square miles, from Midway Island (in the Hawaiian chain) in the North to ...
This is true. Perfect posting Thomas.
I remember seeing a documentary on TV a few years ago about the high levels of diabetes and obesity among Native Americans. Over the milleniums they had evolved on foods like corn meat dairy fruits etc., but now the junk food which their bodies were not designed to handle is causing all the problems they now face.
The solution is simple.....don't eat junk food. Eat what your body was designed to eat....natural foods.
Strategist
2014 Jan 19, 11:08am
The parents of those obese kids need to be charged with child abuse.
JodyChunder
2014 Jan 19, 11:23am
Look at the first picture.... Those are today's "norm"....
Ok, I'm looking at the first picture...I don't see any one in the photo that I'd call obese. Just a mob of lost souls with boring shirts and hideous footwear. Can't blame old MacDonald for that.
I guess you don't get out much....
To McDonald's, no. I'm out-of-touch.
New Renter
2014 Jan 19, 11:49am
This is true. Perfect posting Thomas.
I remember seeing a documentary on TV a few years ago about the high levels of diabetes and obesity among Native Americans. Over the milleniums they had evolved on foods like corn meat dairy fruits etc., but now the junk food which their bodies were not designed to handle is causing all the problems they now face.
The solution is simple.....don't eat junk food. Eat what your body was designed to eat....natural foods.
The problem of course with that idea is EVERY ethnic group was hit with cheap, high sugar, high fat food within a few decades of each other.
Tenpoundbass
2014 Jan 19, 10:48pm
A package of salad greens $2.
A pound of chicken is $3.
A pound of tomatoes is $1.50
A shallot is $0.50
A spritz of olive oil and vinegar $0.20 (or free if using a leftover packet)
OK Tinker Bell, just where are you buying a spritz of Olive for .20 cents? And who in the hell sells a single pound of chicken?
That bottle of EVO will set you back at least $8.00 for a the small bottle. And the best you might find is a split chicken breast that was pumped full of water, and weighs about 2.5 lbs at $2.69 on sale.
And salad greens are 2 for $4 sometimes on sale, after the stalks of the lettuce have started turning brown, and the leafs are starting to wilt. Otherwise that 10oz package of which 2oz is salad dressing cost $3.69 each. And in the poorer Publix stores they are never on sale.
You don't buy a single shallot they normally come about three to four in a nylon net pack for about $3.99.
The solution is simple.....don't eat junk food. Eat what your body was designed to eat....natural foods.
Easy to say, except the junk is being designed by food scientists to be ultra enticing, marketed by gargantuan sophisticated targeted marketing campaigns, and is sold in insane portions at deceptively cheap prices.
On the other side, self restraint and good ol' common sense.
Hardly an even match.
I posted it before but I found this BBC documentary very enlightening:
http://www.youtube.com/embed/E6nGlLUBkOQ
New Renter
2014 Jan 20, 12:44am
OK Tinker Bell, just where are you buying a spritz of Olive for .20 cents? And who in the hell sells a single pound of chicken?
That bottle of EVO will set you back at least $8.00 for a the small bottle. And the best you might find is a split chicken breast that was pumped full of water, and weighs about 2.5 lbs at $2.69 on sale.
Who said to buy just ONE spritz or pound of chicken at a time? Even non-homeless poor people will have a refrigerator and freezer. Buy 3-4 lbs at a time in the economy pack. I've seen boneless chicken breast as low as $0.99/lb on clearance. Yes you need to use or freeze it THAT DAY but if you follow those directions its perfectly fine. Pumped full of water? Even so 1 lb of waterlogged chicken is still enough to feed two in a salad.
EVO runs $6/L around here. That's at LEAST 30 spritzes. More like 100
And salad greens are 2 for $4 sometimes on sale, after the stalks of the lettuce have started turning brown, and the leafs are starting to wilt. Otherwise that 10oz package of which 2oz is salad dressing cost $3.69 each. And in the poorer Publix stores they are never on sale.
You really should try shopping somewhere other than Publix. I shop at many different places and buy what's on sale. Its not nearly as difficult to find cheap yet healthy food as you claim.
You don't buy a single shallot they normally come about three to four in a nylon net pack for about $3.99.
I do. I paid $0.50 for a single shallot just last night at Safeway.
Some of the responsibility is finally being correctly assigned to these "Men Who Made Us Fat". The American people didn't all of a sudden get lazy 40 years ago, their food was transformed, without their knowledge or consent, into a toxic diabetes, heart disease and cancer causing disaster.
“30-40 percent of healthcare expenditures in the USA go to help address issues that are closely tied to the excess consumption of sugar.†(Credit Suisse Report: “Sugar: Consumption At A Crossroads," Sept. 2013) In Forbes Magazine, contributor Dan Monroe summarized, “Basically, the U.S. healthcare system spends about $1 trillion per year (and possibly more) fighting the effects of excess sugar consumption.â€
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danmunro/2013/10/27/sugar-linked-to-1-trillion-in-u-s-healthcare-spending/
casandra
2014 Jan 20, 12:55am
its not what you eat that makes you FAT ! its how much, how often and what time of the day. I can lose weight eating ice cream all day or even hamburgers, it will all depend on how much of it goes down my gullet and hopefully not before bedtime.
New Renter
2014 Jan 20, 1:05am
its not what you eat that makes you FAT ! its how much, how often and what time of the day. I can lose weight eating ice cream all day or even hamburgers, it will all depend on how much of it goes down my gullet and hopefully not before bedtime.
Or if you're bulimic.
I hear that's a great way to eat whatever you want and still lose weight!
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Jan 20, 1:12am
Why are Americans so fat?
"I can't eat meat (420 calories), it'll make me fat.
I'll just have this 8-grain Roll (400 cal.) with margarine (200 calories)."
People are programmed to think meat and fat is just bad. They don't realize that the "Whole Grain Healthy Alternative" is 50% higher in calories and spikes (then crashes) their blood sugar.
They don't realize there's about as much calories in the bun than in the burger, or that a Frappuchino is a Meal Replacement clocking in at about 500 calories.
the sodium
Per the CDC:
"We all need a small amount (e.g., between about 180 mg and 500 mg per day) of sodium to keep our bodies working properly.
The average daily sodium intake for Americans age 2 years and older is 3,436 mg."
7 times what we need!
When they demonized fat in the 70's with the McGovern report, they replaced it with salt and sugar. Then when cheap, cheap HFC came along they really ramped up the sugar, stuffing it in everything. Healthy fats have disappeared from the American diet and are still viewed with suspicion.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Jan 20, 1:35am
When they demonized fat in the 70's with the McGovern report, they replaced it with salt and sugar. Then when cheap, cheap HFC came along they really ramped up the sugar, stuffing it in everything. Healthy fats have disappeared from the American diet and are still viewed with suspicion.
WORD.
They say "Salt is fine in moderation. HFC is fine in moderation." It is.
The problem is, every product in the middle aisles is stuffed with it, and they're even trying to get the FDA to let them add HFC to raw meats.
Because HFC is a sugar, they can put it in all the fat free products. .
Americans consume substantially less fat than 40 years ago.
http://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/R-D/Americans-are-eating-10g-less-fat-per-day-than-they-did-in-the-late-1970s
The less fat Americans eat, the fatter they get.
John Bailo
2014 Jan 20, 1:50am
That's a healthy dinner salad for two. For $7.20
Add a couple of potatoes for $0.79/lb and buy the whole chicken (which I can get on sale for as low as $6 some days, 2-3 lbs) and you've made dinner for four for around ten dollars!
I like what a doctor on TV said...."Eat more of what's good for you, and less of what's bad for you." Best advice I ever had.
You have to first be able to differentiate between "good" and "bad".
If you follow the governments advice on what is good, and eat more of it, you are certain to get sick and/or fat
New Renter
2014 Jan 20, 5:11am
That's a healthy dinner salad for two. For $7.20
Add a couple of potatoes for $0.79/lb and buy the whole chicken (which I can get on sale for as low as $6 some days, 2-3 lbs) and you've made dinner for four for around ten dollars!
Excellent point!
In fact I just bought a 10lb sack of russets from Safeway for $4. From that sack I can bake homemade french fries, make mashed potatoes,
On Fridays they sell a freshly roast chicken for $5. Bake some french fries, and some sauteed southern greens (kale, spinach, mustard, collard, etc.) I can buy a prewashed bag of those for around $4 which is big enough for 4 total servings:
Chicken $5
Potatoes $1.60 (1 lb/person)
Greens $4
Loaf of French Bread $2
Stick of butter $0.75
That's an entire healthy meal for a family of four for about $3.34/serving.
Now Captain if you really want a healthy yet free snack you're in luck. You live in a part of the country where Carissa macrocarpa is a very common as a landscaping plant:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carissa_macrocarpa
The fruit is delicious and very nutritious.
The fruit (a berry) of all Carissa species is edible and is rich in Vitamin C, calcium, magnesium and phosphorus.
https://web.up.ac.za/default.asp?ipkCategoryID=19374&sub=1&parentid=18244&subid=19354&ipklookid=11
It tastes like mix of strawberry, raspberry and lemon. Very refreshing on a hot day.
Vicente
2014 Jan 20, 2:22pm
From that sack I can bake homemade french fries, make mashed potatoes,
Many "working poor" doesn't have TIME to cook for themselves! I was in those straits for a while and it's a fact.
From that sack I can bake homemade french fries, make mashed potatoes,
Many "working poor" doesn't have TIME to cook for themselves! I was in those straits for a while and it's a fact.
That's how many poor stay poor. They don't have time to cook yet have time for TV! Eating out is very expensive for those on a small budget. Even at Walmart, the prepared food counter has much much higher margin than the uncooked section. The lone except being perhaps the rotissery roast whole chicken, due to competitive pressure from Costco. The restaurants, even fast food ones, are much much more expensive and unhealthy.
Many "working poor" doesn't have TIME to cook for themselves! I was in those straits for a while and it's a fact.
BS. You can put a chicken with cut up veggies in the oven in 2 minutes. Make a salad in 3 tops. Make a soup with frozen veggies and dried bean pack in 1. If they truly can't wait an hour for things to cook then crockpot in the morning before you leave and have dinner waiting when you get home. Or cook big a couple times a week and microwave leftovers with a fresh salad most days. All strategies I've used in the past very successfully.
I'm agreeing with bob,,,ridiculous to claim someone doesn't have time. Can always cook the weeks meals on Sunday night
Tenpoundbass
2014 Jan 20, 11:03pm
Look at the first picture.... Those are today's "norm"....
Ok, I'm looking at the first picture...I don't see any one in the photo that I'd call obese. Just a mob of lost souls with boring shirts and hideous footwear. Can't blame old MacDonald for that.
So I'm not crazy?
Fucking people out of their minds just throwing out pictures of random people and I'm supposed to knee jerk react and call them fat. What alternate universe Jerry Springer show is this here?
Tenpoundbass
2014 Jan 20, 11:05pm
Chicken $5
Potatoes $1.60 (1 lb/person)
Greens $4
Loaf of French Bread $2
Stick of butter $0.75
Well let's all walk over to Newrenter's neighborhood and go grocery shopping, he lives in the 90's.
New renter was listing full retail. If you shop the deals you can beat all those prices
Y
2014 Jan 20, 11:53pm
You need to get back in touch.
Grilled chicken McWraps, drop the sauces...as good as anything out of the lettuce fields...
and the supreme mcwraps, no sauce, same as above except throw in some extra veggies...
Look at the first picture.... Those are today's "norm"....
Ok, I'm looking at the first picture...I don't see any one in the photo that I'd call obese. Just a mob of lost souls with boring shirts and hideous footwear. Can't blame old MacDonald for that.
I guess you don't get out much....
To McDonald's, no. I'm out-of-touch.
Y
2014 Jan 20, 11:59pm
Why do you hate a country that can have it's cake and eat it too?
Some of the responsibility is finally being correctly assigned to these "Men Who Made Us Fat". The American people didn't all of a sudden get lazy 40 years ago, their food was transformed, without their knowledge or consent, into a toxic diabetes, heart disease and cancer causing disaster.
Y
2014 Jan 21, 12:01am
by this metric the welfare class should be fit and trim, and the earners...fat fucks.
It's all about time.
Grocery store + buy + cook + eat = waaay better.
Just not convenient.
Y
2014 Jan 21, 12:03am
don't know what planet you've been living on....
http://www.starbucks.com/menu/drinks/frappuccino-blended-beverages/mocha-frappuccino-light-blended-coffee
They don't realize there's about as much calories in the bun than in the burger, or that a Frappuchino is a Meal Replacement clocking in at about 500 calories.
Y
2014 Jan 21, 12:07am
Bingo.
All this home cooking recipe shit streams from the keyboards of the retired...
From that sack I can bake homemade french fries, make mashed potatoes,
Many "working poor" doesn't have TIME to cook for themselves! I was in those straits for a while and it's a fact.
New Renter
2014 Jan 21, 1:03am
Well let's all walk over to Newrenter's neighborhood and go grocery shopping, he lives in the 90's.
You can shop here but bring a tent. The cost of housing is very 2014!
New renter was listing full retail. If you shop the deals you can beat all those prices
Yep.
Captain you really need to shop somewhere else.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Jan 21, 1:09am
don't know what planet you've been living on....
http://www.starbucks.com/menu/drinks/frappuccino-blended-beverages/mocha-frappuccino-light-blended-coffee
They don't realize there's about as much calories in the bun than in the burger, or that a Frappuchino is a Meal Replacement clocking in at about 500 calories.
I see what you did there, Soft Shell! I didn't say the "Light Blend" or "Diet Frappuccino", I said, "Frappuccino".
It's also the very first option on the Frappuccino page.
And I was wrong, it's not 500 calories, only 430. About as much as a 6 oz. Rib-eye or Sirloin Steak, or slightly less than two bagels.
New Renter
2014 Jan 21, 1:12am
Bingo.
All this home cooking recipe shit streams from the keyboards of the retired...
From that sack I can bake homemade french fries, make mashed potatoes,
Many "working poor" doesn't have TIME to cook for themselves! I was in those straits for a while and it's a fact.
Seriously, no time?
It takes maybe 30 seconds to peel and run a potato through one of these:
Maybe 1 minute to cut up the potato with a knife.
And then 5-6 seconds to paint them with oil and a pinch of salt. Then maybe 25 minutes in the oven during which you set the timer and walk away.
That's less active time than it takes to go to a fast food joint, order, pay and wait to get your food.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Jan 21, 1:25am
I would tell them to go to Salvation Army and get a pressure cooker.
But I get it. Minimum wage job with no chance of promotion, even living bare bones - and being extra lucky by not having any medical issues, ripped clothes, lost bus passes, etc - you ain't funding no IRA to the tune of a few thousand per year.
(They always talk about the 1 guy who worked his way up to $25k/year assistant manager after flipping burgers for 7 years, but fail to point out the company churned through -at least - a thousand other workers in that time. Makes the odds 1 in 1000 of going from $7/hr to a whopping $25k/yr).
So, you buy junk food. You worked 10 hours, you're bone tired, and you've earned it. Same reason you know you ain't goin' nowhere, and you're only getting older, so you might as well get drunk and knocked up. Nothing is going to get better anyway.
Certainly more so than that Austrian Economics PhD who sat on his ass all day reading Lew Rockwell and thinking about "Bell Curves" as he watched the minimum wage earners who serve him coffee line up and wait 40 minutes in the cold (or rain) for the bus -- while his TAs teaches most of his classes.
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I posed this question in a Facebook comment, and while it may sound facetious, maybe it's not.
Today there is a great debate about the healthfulness of "fast food". Burgers, chicken, fries, soda.
The accepted dogma is that it rots your body.
However, then I think...what do all the violent crooks, and other people engaged in illicit activities who have a lot of energy to burn eat every day? It ain't coq au vin or pate de foix gras right? My guess is it's McDonald's or the equivalent if not every day than 3 or 4 times a day!
So how can it be that the people who eat all this junk food, are also muscular, strong and wiry enough to cause havoc? Or take the converse. If fast food was that bad, there would be no crime.
#crime