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the sodium
Per the CDC:
"We all need a small amount (e.g., between about 180 mg and 500 mg per day) of sodium to keep our bodies working properly.
The average daily sodium intake for Americans age 2 years and older is 3,436 mg."
7 times what we need!
When they demonized fat in the 70's with the McGovern report, they replaced it with salt and sugar. Then when cheap, cheap HFC came along they really ramped up the sugar, stuffing it in everything. Healthy fats have disappeared from the American diet and are still viewed with suspicion.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Jan 20, 1:35am
When they demonized fat in the 70's with the McGovern report, they replaced it with salt and sugar. Then when cheap, cheap HFC came along they really ramped up the sugar, stuffing it in everything. Healthy fats have disappeared from the American diet and are still viewed with suspicion.
WORD.
They say "Salt is fine in moderation. HFC is fine in moderation." It is.
The problem is, every product in the middle aisles is stuffed with it, and they're even trying to get the FDA to let them add HFC to raw meats.
Because HFC is a sugar, they can put it in all the fat free products. .
Americans consume substantially less fat than 40 years ago.
http://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/R-D/Americans-are-eating-10g-less-fat-per-day-than-they-did-in-the-late-1970s
The less fat Americans eat, the fatter they get.
John Bailo
2014 Jan 20, 1:50am
That's a healthy dinner salad for two. For $7.20
Add a couple of potatoes for $0.79/lb and buy the whole chicken (which I can get on sale for as low as $6 some days, 2-3 lbs) and you've made dinner for four for around ten dollars!
I like what a doctor on TV said...."Eat more of what's good for you, and less of what's bad for you." Best advice I ever had.
You have to first be able to differentiate between "good" and "bad".
If you follow the governments advice on what is good, and eat more of it, you are certain to get sick and/or fat
New Renter
2014 Jan 20, 5:11am
That's a healthy dinner salad for two. For $7.20
Add a couple of potatoes for $0.79/lb and buy the whole chicken (which I can get on sale for as low as $6 some days, 2-3 lbs) and you've made dinner for four for around ten dollars!
Excellent point!
In fact I just bought a 10lb sack of russets from Safeway for $4. From that sack I can bake homemade french fries, make mashed potatoes,
On Fridays they sell a freshly roast chicken for $5. Bake some french fries, and some sauteed southern greens (kale, spinach, mustard, collard, etc.) I can buy a prewashed bag of those for around $4 which is big enough for 4 total servings:
Chicken $5
Potatoes $1.60 (1 lb/person)
Greens $4
Loaf of French Bread $2
Stick of butter $0.75
That's an entire healthy meal for a family of four for about $3.34/serving.
Now Captain if you really want a healthy yet free snack you're in luck. You live in a part of the country where Carissa macrocarpa is a very common as a landscaping plant:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carissa_macrocarpa
The fruit is delicious and very nutritious.
The fruit (a berry) of all Carissa species is edible and is rich in Vitamin C, calcium, magnesium and phosphorus.
https://web.up.ac.za/default.asp?ipkCategoryID=19374&sub=1&parentid=18244&subid=19354&ipklookid=11
It tastes like mix of strawberry, raspberry and lemon. Very refreshing on a hot day.
Vicente
2014 Jan 20, 2:22pm
From that sack I can bake homemade french fries, make mashed potatoes,
Many "working poor" doesn't have TIME to cook for themselves! I was in those straits for a while and it's a fact.
From that sack I can bake homemade french fries, make mashed potatoes,
Many "working poor" doesn't have TIME to cook for themselves! I was in those straits for a while and it's a fact.
That's how many poor stay poor. They don't have time to cook yet have time for TV! Eating out is very expensive for those on a small budget. Even at Walmart, the prepared food counter has much much higher margin than the uncooked section. The lone except being perhaps the rotissery roast whole chicken, due to competitive pressure from Costco. The restaurants, even fast food ones, are much much more expensive and unhealthy.
Many "working poor" doesn't have TIME to cook for themselves! I was in those straits for a while and it's a fact.
BS. You can put a chicken with cut up veggies in the oven in 2 minutes. Make a salad in 3 tops. Make a soup with frozen veggies and dried bean pack in 1. If they truly can't wait an hour for things to cook then crockpot in the morning before you leave and have dinner waiting when you get home. Or cook big a couple times a week and microwave leftovers with a fresh salad most days. All strategies I've used in the past very successfully.
I'm agreeing with bob,,,ridiculous to claim someone doesn't have time. Can always cook the weeks meals on Sunday night
Tenpoundbass
2014 Jan 20, 11:03pm
Look at the first picture.... Those are today's "norm"....
Ok, I'm looking at the first picture...I don't see any one in the photo that I'd call obese. Just a mob of lost souls with boring shirts and hideous footwear. Can't blame old MacDonald for that.
So I'm not crazy?
Fucking people out of their minds just throwing out pictures of random people and I'm supposed to knee jerk react and call them fat. What alternate universe Jerry Springer show is this here?
Tenpoundbass
2014 Jan 20, 11:05pm
Chicken $5
Potatoes $1.60 (1 lb/person)
Greens $4
Loaf of French Bread $2
Stick of butter $0.75
Well let's all walk over to Newrenter's neighborhood and go grocery shopping, he lives in the 90's.
New renter was listing full retail. If you shop the deals you can beat all those prices
Y
2014 Jan 20, 11:53pm
You need to get back in touch.
Grilled chicken McWraps, drop the sauces...as good as anything out of the lettuce fields...
and the supreme mcwraps, no sauce, same as above except throw in some extra veggies...
Look at the first picture.... Those are today's "norm"....
Ok, I'm looking at the first picture...I don't see any one in the photo that I'd call obese. Just a mob of lost souls with boring shirts and hideous footwear. Can't blame old MacDonald for that.
I guess you don't get out much....
To McDonald's, no. I'm out-of-touch.
Y
2014 Jan 20, 11:59pm
Why do you hate a country that can have it's cake and eat it too?
Some of the responsibility is finally being correctly assigned to these "Men Who Made Us Fat". The American people didn't all of a sudden get lazy 40 years ago, their food was transformed, without their knowledge or consent, into a toxic diabetes, heart disease and cancer causing disaster.
Y
2014 Jan 21, 12:01am
by this metric the welfare class should be fit and trim, and the earners...fat fucks.
It's all about time.
Grocery store + buy + cook + eat = waaay better.
Just not convenient.
Y
2014 Jan 21, 12:03am
don't know what planet you've been living on....
http://www.starbucks.com/menu/drinks/frappuccino-blended-beverages/mocha-frappuccino-light-blended-coffee
They don't realize there's about as much calories in the bun than in the burger, or that a Frappuchino is a Meal Replacement clocking in at about 500 calories.
Y
2014 Jan 21, 12:07am
Bingo.
All this home cooking recipe shit streams from the keyboards of the retired...
From that sack I can bake homemade french fries, make mashed potatoes,
Many "working poor" doesn't have TIME to cook for themselves! I was in those straits for a while and it's a fact.
New Renter
2014 Jan 21, 1:03am
Well let's all walk over to Newrenter's neighborhood and go grocery shopping, he lives in the 90's.
You can shop here but bring a tent. The cost of housing is very 2014!
New renter was listing full retail. If you shop the deals you can beat all those prices
Yep.
Captain you really need to shop somewhere else.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Jan 21, 1:09am
don't know what planet you've been living on....
http://www.starbucks.com/menu/drinks/frappuccino-blended-beverages/mocha-frappuccino-light-blended-coffee
They don't realize there's about as much calories in the bun than in the burger, or that a Frappuchino is a Meal Replacement clocking in at about 500 calories.
I see what you did there, Soft Shell! I didn't say the "Light Blend" or "Diet Frappuccino", I said, "Frappuccino".
It's also the very first option on the Frappuccino page.
And I was wrong, it's not 500 calories, only 430. About as much as a 6 oz. Rib-eye or Sirloin Steak, or slightly less than two bagels.
New Renter
2014 Jan 21, 1:12am
Bingo.
All this home cooking recipe shit streams from the keyboards of the retired...
From that sack I can bake homemade french fries, make mashed potatoes,
Many "working poor" doesn't have TIME to cook for themselves! I was in those straits for a while and it's a fact.
Seriously, no time?
It takes maybe 30 seconds to peel and run a potato through one of these:
Maybe 1 minute to cut up the potato with a knife.
And then 5-6 seconds to paint them with oil and a pinch of salt. Then maybe 25 minutes in the oven during which you set the timer and walk away.
That's less active time than it takes to go to a fast food joint, order, pay and wait to get your food.
MisdemeanorRebel
2014 Jan 21, 1:25am
I would tell them to go to Salvation Army and get a pressure cooker.
But I get it. Minimum wage job with no chance of promotion, even living bare bones - and being extra lucky by not having any medical issues, ripped clothes, lost bus passes, etc - you ain't funding no IRA to the tune of a few thousand per year.
(They always talk about the 1 guy who worked his way up to $25k/year assistant manager after flipping burgers for 7 years, but fail to point out the company churned through -at least - a thousand other workers in that time. Makes the odds 1 in 1000 of going from $7/hr to a whopping $25k/yr).
So, you buy junk food. You worked 10 hours, you're bone tired, and you've earned it. Same reason you know you ain't goin' nowhere, and you're only getting older, so you might as well get drunk and knocked up. Nothing is going to get better anyway.
Certainly more so than that Austrian Economics PhD who sat on his ass all day reading Lew Rockwell and thinking about "Bell Curves" as he watched the minimum wage earners who serve him coffee line up and wait 40 minutes in the cold (or rain) for the bus -- while his TAs teaches most of his classes.
New Renter
2014 Jan 21, 1:53am
I would tell them to go to Salvation Army and get a pressure cooker.
A good time saver to be sure. Just make sure the safety valve is working properly.
Why do you hate a country that can have it's cake and eat it too?
Some of the responsibility is finally being correctly assigned to these "Men Who Made Us Fat". The American people didn't all of a sudden get lazy 40 years ago, their food was transformed, without their knowledge or consent, into a toxic diabetes, heart disease and cancer causing disaster.
I was more talking about the 500,000 annual Coronary Bypass Surgeries and these poor folks (Edit: the last chart is Diabetes):
New Renter
2014 Jan 21, 4:25am
I would tell them to go to Salvation Army and get a pressure cooker.
A good time saver to be sure. Just make sure the safety valve is working properly.
Another cheap time saver is a slow cooker. These can run as little as $20 brand new. Used ones can be had for almost free at garage sale or Craigslist.
Get some cheap meat, some cheap root veggies and potatoes, a little seasoning. Prep takes about 1/2 hr, and just turn it on before leaving for work. You'll come home to a delicious main course all ready to be plated or frozen for later. Use a liner and there's very little cleanup.
Y
2014 Jan 21, 6:14am
That 100 calorie job is my drink.
u put me in defense mode....
thunderlips11 says
don't know what planet you've been living on....
http://www.starbucks.com/menu/drinks/frappuccino-blended-beverages/mocha-frappuccino-light-blended-coffee
They don't realize there's about as much calories in the bun than in the burger, or that a Frappuchino is a Meal Replacement clocking in at about 500 calories.
I see what you did there, Soft Shell! I didn't say the "Light Blend" or "Diet Frappuccino", I said, "Frappuccino"
Y
2014 Jan 21, 6:15am
drive up window.
no active time or significant energy expended...
That's less active time than it takes to go to a fast food joint, order, pay and wait to get your food.
Y
2014 Jan 21, 6:18am
why do you hate cardiologists and stent manufacturers?
I was more talking about the 500,000 annual Coronary Bypass Surgeries and these poor folks (Edit: the last chart is Diabetes):
why do you hate cardiologists and stent manufacturers?
I was more talking about the 500,000 annual Coronary Bypass Surgeries and these poor folks (Edit: the last chart is Diabetes):
You know me well friend, I despise the charlatans.
Billions made by the swaggering Lords of Cardiology, and not a day of increased longevity to their name.
"But for patients with stable coronary disease, who comprise a large share of angioplasty patients? It has not been shown to extend life expectancy by a day…"
http://harvardmagazine.com/2013/03/a-cardiac-conundrum
More on the Omnipotent Cardiac Gods:
"Medicine Or Mass Murder? Guideline Based on Discredited Research May Have Caused 800,000 Deaths In Europe Over The Last 5 Years"
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryhusten/2014/01/15/medicine-or-mass-murder-guideline-based-on-discredited-research-may-have-caused-800000-deaths-in-europe-over-the-last-5-years/
New Renter
2014 Jan 21, 12:09pm
drive up window.
no active time or significant energy expended...
That's less active time than it takes to go to a fast food joint, order, pay and wait to get your food.
No active time? Drive thru lines can take just as long as lines inside. The only difference between going inside the restaurant and using the drive through is you get even less exercise in the drive thru.
Anyway how long does it take to make a healthy sandwich at home? I'll bet less time than just to order food, pay for it and wait until it's ready.
justme
2014 Jan 26, 11:03pm
This thread used to be called "What do Thugs eats for lunch", and not "What do Criminals eat for lunch"
What happened? Well, I think it was this observation by Seattle football player Richard Sherman that got a lot of press:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/22/richard-sherman-thug-n-word-press-conference_n_4646871.html
No criticism of John Bailo intended -- I'm glad you fixed the title. The right-wingers are masters of propaganda, and inventing codespeak such as "Thug" for black people is just the tip of their iceberg.
On the top of the list of current right-wing codespeak is "Entitled", which to right-wingers means "undeserving and especially brown-colored recipients of government assistance". It is a thinly veiled attack on poor people, all in the name of preserving low taxes for the top 1%, which is the real agenda.
"Entitled" is a brilliant invention of a word. It plays on the concept of "Entitlement programs" (Social security and others), which right-wingers hate. But wait, we are ENTITLED to Social Security pension, because WE PAID INTO THE SYSTEM and get paid back accordingly. The fact that Republicans took the money and spent it on tax breaks for the rich and illegal wars does not change that simple fact.
John Bailo
2014 Jan 27, 1:14am
Well, I think it was this observation by Seattle football player Richard Sherman that got a lot of press:
Yes, my policy on words thought to be derogatory are that if a person who feels he is labelled by the word is offended, then I should not use it. Sherman made it clear he thought thug meant only African-Americans, so I changed it.
John Bailo
2014 Jan 27, 1:46pm
I think it was this observation by Seattle football player Richard Sherman that got a lot of press:
Of course I read this today:
When her family returned from the Crimea, she entered the University of Petrograd to study philosophy and history. Graduating in 1924, she experienced the disintegration of free inquiry and the takeover of the university by communist thugs.
http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=about_ayn_rand_aynrand_biography
So, was Ayn Rand attacked by African-Americans? In 1924? In Russia?
justme
2014 Jan 27, 3:57pm
So, was Ayn Rand attacked by African-Americans? In 1924? In Russia?
Of course not. Thug is an old word that has been used to label people for a long time. Case in point, "communist thugs". (Interesting that again it was the underclass that got the label.)
But recently, since around 2008 (Obama being elected), the right wing has re-tasked the word as code-speak for black males. Before 2008, the use of the word thug seems to have skyrocketed.
Case in point, "communist thugs". (Interesting that again it was the underclass that got the label.)
The "communist thugs" were usually not underclass, but often educated youths from privileged families.
Y
2014 Jan 27, 11:00pm
Thugs from all venues of life are being disenfranchised due to the supposedly redefinition of the word to indicate the social status of black people only.
The mafia should commence litigation.
So, was Ayn Rand attacked by African-Americans? In 1924? In Russia?
Of course not. Thug is an old word that has been used to label people for a long time. Case in point, "communist thugs". (Interesting that again it was the underclass that got the label.)
When I think of thug, I think of a person that would ram a gun to my head to force me to do something I didn't desire to do otherwise.
Politicians, the police state, lobbyist etc.
Racists here thug and think blacks, regardless if they are claiming it to be derogatory, or claiming to be helpful by saving blacks from the labels
Tenpoundbass
2014 Jan 28, 12:23am
Racists here thug and think blacks, regardless if they are claiming it to be derogatory, or claiming to be helpful by saving blacks from the labels
Come on errc, really Thugs are black?
That is a Lie, though I will agree that 95% of the Thugs are so far submerged in the Street (insert race here if you want)urban culture, are Hispanic, White, Asian, Russian, Italian all inspired by the black gang subculture.
It should go with out saying I don't like Thugs regardless of color.
Even the other 5% skin head Thugs. Who even still secretly admire the Black street culture even if they'll admit it or not.
I mean you don't have suburban white kids emulating Italian Mafia, NO! They emulate the latest and hottest Black gansta rapper Thug? How do I know he's a Thug? OH He only has 5 CD's all with him holding guns on the cover, and singing about shooting people.
dunnross
2014 Jan 28, 12:30am
Well, this criminal spent over $52K on his lunch, and hardly touched anything:
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I posed this question in a Facebook comment, and while it may sound facetious, maybe it's not.
Today there is a great debate about the healthfulness of "fast food". Burgers, chicken, fries, soda.
The accepted dogma is that it rots your body.
However, then I think...what do all the violent crooks, and other people engaged in illicit activities who have a lot of energy to burn eat every day? It ain't coq au vin or pate de foix gras right? My guess is it's McDonald's or the equivalent if not every day than 3 or 4 times a day!
So how can it be that the people who eat all this junk food, are also muscular, strong and wiry enough to cause havoc? Or take the converse. If fast food was that bad, there would be no crime.
#crime