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edvard2 says

Paralithodes says

Above is a perfect example of how the typical "liberal" forum member here is so blinded by their own ideology, that they don't even recognize the extent to which their own side does the exact same thing they complain about.

Oh contraire my friend... You see, I mentioned this before but its worth mentioning again. I grew up in the super-conservative, always- Republican voting South, at one point actually voted for Republicans, and when I grew up I was able to see past all of the crap that conservative politicians have used to fill their constituent's heads with. Blinded? Hardly. More like the recognition over reality versus the fiction many conservatives in the US believe in.

I believe you as much as I believe Vicente was also a "staunch [conservative or republican]." I know people in real life who have converted politically - I am one of them. In real life the converts generally understand that your observation applies equally enough to a good % of both sides to not be something with pointing out as if it applies to only one side, as you did above. Those alleged converts (to either political side) who talk like you do online are invariably liars about their past or talking it up to fit in with the hard core that are here.

bgamall4 says

Why is

your source an Iranian government website that bases its report on what somebody posted on a Facebook page? Because you are lost in the noise, projecting a bizarre conspiracy based on misinformation.

Paralithodes says

I believe you as much as I believe Vicente was also a "staunch [conservative or republican]." I know people in real life who have converted politically - I am one of them. In real life the converts generally understand that your observation applies equally enough to a good % of both sides to not be something with pointing out as if it applies to only one side, as you did above. Those alleged converts (to either political side) who talk like you do online are invariably liars about their past or talking it up to fit in with the hard core that are here.

So you're calling me a liar because you don't agree with what I say? If so then that more or less makes the extent of your response entirely hypocritical. If you think I am lying then I'll be the first to correct you. I grew up in the South. As in not the suburban South, but in a rural area about 20 miles from the closest small town. We had a long gravel driveway as did most in our area. Even though my family had lived in the area for around 40 years they were still considered newcomers. Most had roots to the area going back as much as 150-200 years.

Nothing ever changed. The way things had been there was the way it had always been and if anything ever changed people generally took notice. I remember that everyone was unquestionably conservative and always voted Republican no matter what. I was raised this way. I was never given reasons why, but only that I should ALWAYS vote Republican, which I did right up into my 20's.

I moved first to the Northeast to Boston and then to the other side of the country to California. I ran into many people from all over the country and the world. When I first moved to Boston it was a tremendous cultural shock for me. I was so used to the cultural and political homogeneous nature of where I grew up that it took a lot of adjustment to see that hey- not everyone thinks the same.

It was only after having this experience that I realized a lot of the things that were fed into our heads by the various Republican politicians was pure bullshit. Mostly just fear mongering and this constant claim that anything different or new should always be despised and challenged. As time went on I more fully realized that this tactic has been employed by the GOP on their constituents for decades simply because its so much easier to place blame on something else rather than actually address problems and do something about it. The GOP has been a party fueled by outright misleading propaganda for some time now and this among many other reasons is why I no longer support that party nor will I unless they decide to become more reasonable, if not at least somewhat more moderate instead of acting like the witch hunt party.

So you call me a liar all you want. I made my own choices by my own accord through my own life experiences and I didn't need anyone other than myself to make that change.

edvard2 says

everyone was unquestionably conservative and always voted Republican no
matter what. I was raised this way.I moved it was a tremendous cultural shock for me. I
was so used to the cultural and political homogeneous nature of where I grew up
that it took a lot of adjustment to see that hey- not everyone thinks the
same.

This is the mindset I run up against on my favorite trade forum. The worst part is, all of them think EVERYONE ELSE is wrong, factually, politcally, and morally, and that THEY are the true patriots and 'merkans. They tell me daily that I am an obamabot or some such, using language whose mitochondrial DNA has a clear lineage all the way back to this morning's Rush show or last night's Fox tirade.

Dan8267 says

The key word in GDP is product. The warfare industry produces no product. In fact that industry destroys wealth.

I'm not saying there are no better activities. But in the meantime, if you remove the miltary, it will leave a big hole in your economy and that will affect a lot of people.

And if you pay these people for something else... then well, the deficit question is not solved.

That's the nature of the problem: It's not enough to say "we don't need this".

RentingForHalfTheCost says

Have you ever considered that some on the board merely want to just yank your
chain? Nonetheless it can provide brief moments of entertainment, then it starts
to get old.

But the chain is just there to be yanked all the time. Can you blame
people?

I guess not, maybe it is too tempting.

Hey bgmall,

Which weapons are these Israeli weapons you refer to?
I saw no weapons in the picture, and no specifics on the actual weapons.

I'm an Israeli paratrooper veteran.

What about Syria? Which side are we on? (you know about Syrians getting treatment in Israeli hospitals, it's for planting bugs into them).

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24998618

Egypt? Which side is Israel on? All sides?
How about Sudan? They have south Sudan but also North South Sudan against South South Sudan. Surely it's Israel's fault again.
And Turkey-vs Syria? Must be Israel's fault.
I hear also the massacre of Fatah politicians by Hamas in 2005 was Israel's fault...
But the worst offense was the Israeli Mossad shark eating all the poor tourists in Sharm!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11937285

Hugs

arit

http://www.salon.com/2013/05/02/alex_jones_conspiracy_inc/

Ceffer says

What a relief, to know that you are never too old to steal vast sums bankster style.

Moron just didn't know how to get away with it.

I sure as hell am still not old enough to have my heart stop beating and therefore I am capable of looting your family's life savings while I have your mother and sister bend over to take my... You know what I mean.

And to top it off... I know how to get away with it.

ApocalyspeFuck can lick my hairy old butthole. I will never be in handcuffs.

Automan Empire says

using language whose mitochondrial DNA has a clear lineage all the way back to this morning's Rush show or last night's Fox tirade.

It would be hard to copyright a good typical Obama rant.
it's just the opposite of typical "Oh how I love thee, let me count the ways" dribble you guys drone about.

I'm still waiting for that Obama moment that future presidents will recount in future presidential speeches, so far I haven't seen it.

Call it Crazy says

Does the hostage live now??

The hostage was a horse, and yes, it's DEAD, but we're still beating on it.

bgamall4 says

I have focused on conspiracies I can understand. Sandy Hook is an easy one, and 9/11 is not too much more difficult.

OK what was the angle for staging an national tragedy such as Sandy Hook? And how is that some evil Zionist's plot and not Obama's?

Bush/Reps' 9-11 can show Obama how to destroy American lives. Just stand there & do nothing.

BoomAndBustCycle says

If this was a hoax (it wasn't).... What did those pulling off the hoax accomplish?! More guns were sold after Newton than EVER and they are still selling like hotcakes. No real gun laws were passed.

If the goal was to make more people stock up on guns... then mission accomplished. If the goal was to disarm America.. then it failed miserably.

hoaxes like these were not meant to take away all guns overnight. they were meant to help shape public opinion over the time. changes will be gradual.

bgamall4 says

I deleted a post by a guy who claims he had known parents of dead children at
Sandy Hook.

What hurdle must evidence against a conspiracy clear, before you'll even consider it?
How much ORIGINAL research of this have you done? I mean, directly interview witnesses or people on the street in Newtown, as opposed to just reading it on the internet?

bgamall4 says

I hope fire comes out of heaven and devours you. Watch the traffic

This is on the spectrum between "what a nutter" and "This guy's a threat!"
Not a credibility-enhancing direction to take the public persona.

bgamall4 says

I deleted a post by a guy who claims he had known parents of dead children at Sandy Hook.

I didn't make that claim if you're referring to me. You don't seem to have deleted the post where you might get that misunderstanding. Instead, you deleted blogherald and national review articles about how people use conspiracy theories to build popular websites which leads to successful businesses. Was that close to home?

Like I've said, I don't care. Good luck with your beliefs and possibly business. I don't find what you write compelling and I fear it will deceive some people who don't think like me.

Automan Empire says

What hurdle must evidence against a conspiracy clear, before you'll even consider it?

How much ORIGINAL research of this have you done? I mean, directly interview witnesses or people on the street in Newtown, as opposed to just reading it on the internet?

why repeat the work others have already done? i don't see why bgmall, at his near retirement age, has to risk getting physical assaults by emotionally charged bystanders (such as 95% of the people in these threads).

you don't have to disprove every single piece of the story to show it's a hoax. you only need to disprove one thing and the whole story is automatically a hoax because if it wasn't a hoax, the gov would not have needed to lie, about ANYTHING.

with Emily's screwed up arm being shown, the burden of proof is now on you - what evidence do you have that it wasn't a hoax?

FunTime says

Instead, you deleted blogherald and national review articles about how people use conspiracy theories to build popular websites which leads to successful businesses. Was that close to home?

Of course it's close to home. bigmouth writes lots of articles for conspiricy websites and publishes ebooks.

ok delete now limp dick.

bgamall4 says

For the swine who know it was an act and yet deny it, I hope fire comes out of heaven and devours you. Watch the traffic on your commute to work, you swine.

Your Christian beliefs shine through.

bgamall4 says

Robbie Parker would have had to shed real tears with no hyperventilation,

We just are not in agreement here. I found it difficult to breath normally and tell a simple story to my own family at my uncle's funeral due to my grief. Trying to "hold it together" while in a great state of grief on national television I take to be extremely difficult. I can see trying to keep light beforehand and employing cue cards.
Your ideas suggest a biological formula for grief. So what you want is some medical evidence. That would really bring scientific evidence to your cause.

Mark D says

you don't have to disprove every single piece of the story to show it's a hoax. you only need to disprove one thing and the whole story is automatically a hoax because if it wasn't a hoax, the gov would not have needed to lie, about ANYTHING.

with Emily's screwed up arm being shown, the burden of proof is now on you - what evidence do you have that it wasn't a hoax?

That is moronic reasoning. The burden of proof is entirely on you to prove, and to prove beyond any reasonable doubt, your fantastical claims. The pair of you so utterly fail to do that time and again that it is embarrassing to behold.

bgamall4 says

Robbie Parker would have had to shed real tears with no hyperventilation, and with no comment on the card, or script he was supposed to read. If Robbie could undo that, and if there was one fucking tear in the entire day of the massacre, I would reconsider. But there was not one recorded tear.

And everybody knows it.

Are you a good public speaker? How about Obama? Clinton? ....? How many very skilled public speakers use autocue or notes? What do you think you'd do if faced by the world's press soon after the death of your child? Try a bit of ad-libbing or prepare what you were going to say? Now think long and hard about those two choices and be honest about your reply.

FunTime says

Your ideas suggest a biological formula for grief. So what you want is some medical evidence. That would really bring scientific evidence to your cause.

Unfortunately for Gary, actual research about the type of responses that can occur has been posted up on here several times and, surprise, surprise, disproves what he is claiming (though he of course simply ignores it).

sbh says

RentingForHalfTheCost says

Just closed out all my short positions and am 100% long.

Best sell signal I've seen in months.

RentingForHalfTheCost says

Who is the real jackass?

I nominate you.

Sure you would. Big surprise there troll.

FYI on the concept mentioned in a previous post that most wealthy people inherit their money....

Per Cato institute study in 2011, 80% of US millionaires are self made and did not in fact inherit the money. Slide the scale up to over 100 million and I do not know if that would still hold true or not.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Are you a good public speaker? How about Obama? Clinton? ....? How many very skilled public speakers use autocue or notes? What do you think you'd do if faced by the world's press soon after the death of your child? Try a bit of ad-libbing or prepare what you were going to say? Now think long and hard about those two choices and be honest about your reply.

It was prepared for him, numb nuts.

Sure, sure, and your proof of that is... And why does an actor need to read from notes? Presumably he's one of those actors incapable of memorizing his lines.

bgamall4 says

You don't think God will take his revenge out on his enemies like you Bigsby?

Christ's Sacrifice Once for All

…12but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, 13waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET.

That is Hebrews 10:13 and last time I checked that was a New Testament book.

Ooohhh, I'm scared. God thinks I'm his enemy! Presumably as Snap once sang, 'I've Got the Power.'

Let me guess, your God loves those individuals who believe that everything is a zionist conspiracy, who accuse parents of murdered children of being liars and actors, and who say that people who disagree with such tinfoil beliefs will be struck by fire from heaven and/or damned to hell. Quite the God that one.

I'm not going to read another demented rant.
I asked you, what is the angle to hoax this tragedy?

If it were about tighter gun legislation, then you would think a government that was powerful enough to pull this off, would have no problem imposing the votes to complete the mission. Or all of the planning and effort that this episode would have taken, would have all been for naught.

I mean work on a more realistic conspiracy theory.

Like that was not Bin Laden who was shot in the face, dumped in the ocean and Obama ordered all photos destroyed. See that's easy, with all lose ends tied up nicely.

It's even easy to believe that we did not fly to the moon, unless you believe, that Richard Nixon(a known liar) was the only President with the wherewithal to do so. At least that's a useful hoax. And one I don't put too much thought into either way.
It's sorta like a kid that lies and tells their parents that they cleaned the room. When in fact, they cleaned much later than that. The end result was the same.

Can we go to the moon today? Perhaps, but I don't think we could do it with the equivalent of a 0086 computer, and space capsule that has less metal than the body on a VW Bug, and about the same size too.

So you don't want to take people's advice to seek help. Do you not feel yourself getting worse? I don't recall you telling everyone who disagreed with you before that they were swine and had to watch for fire from heaven whilst driving to work. Do you think that is normal behaviour? Do you think your views are normal? Why do those who disagree with YOUR views deserve punishment from your imaginary God? Think about what you are saying and doing because I am actually getting worried for you.

bgamall4 says

You support the NWO, and God hates the NWO. He already scrambled the languages at the Tower of Babel because mankind wanted one world government.

You are getting scarey weird. You don't own guns do you?

CaptainShuddup says

Can we go to the moon today? Perhaps, but I don't think we could do it with the equivalent of a 0086 computer, and space capsule that has less metal than the body on a VW Bug, and about the same size too.

Do you understand the feedback and control math that allows the precision of computation/machine control? If not, I recommend learning that first before you write any more on the subject. The kind of computation required was a challenge for computers and scientists at the point of first going into space and much of it was probably still being done on paper, but today undergrad electrical engineering students learn how those kinds of mathematics and machines work in their first few years.

Conspiracy theorists who don't demonstrate even a basic knowledge of their subject are not convincing. I'm not a rocket scientist either so don't listen to me. Just please do some research before sharing ideas that might deceive people into believing ideas that are upsetting and potentially a false witness.

dodgerfanjohn says

Per Cato institute study in 2011, 80% of US millionaires are self made and did not in fact inherit the money. Slide the scale up to over 100 million and I do not know if that would still hold true or not.

The idea might come from looking at the Forbes richest people list or similar. When I look at those, I definitely get the idea that most inherited their money, but, as you say, if you get down to people with a million or more net worth most probably are self-made. Of course, that's a laughably small amount of money to people who have the most.

If remote planetary touch down and lift off were possible even with today's technology, then you would think we would be bringing back samples from mars. And we would be gingerly landing space crafts on Mars rather than encapsulating them in a padded goodball and hoping for the best.

Besides my biggest problem I have, is Nixon was the only President to do this.

If it weren't for Nixon I don't think we would have made it to the moon, until the Space Shuttle went in service, or about Reagan's time.

But I don't think we would have had the Space shuttle by then.
I think we said we went to the moon so we wouldn't have to go to the moon. Then that way were able to use the Space program to boost our spying and communication capabilities. Satellite technology was where it was at. There's no eph'n way at the height of the Cold War, could the US government gotten money or support from the voters, to create the complex system that has now fallen under the hands of the NSA under Obama's stewardship.

We were too weary of Big brother, not just the Big Red Big brother, but our Government watching our every move from a mile in the sky was an even more scary prospect.

At that time, the Moon offered us nothing but rocks and bragging rights. There were no pie in the sky lofty ideas of harvesting ice from the polar caps, and use that to create hydrogen fuel to propel us to the Stars.

In fact the only reason people in the 80's were even supportive of the space program, because we honestly believed it was about space exploration and not terrestrial snooping. We honestly thought that Beepers, Cell phones, and Geo satellite imagery were just incidental from the space program, and not the space program.

Is it coincidental as the next generation of Space vehicles are being created, the Government is shutting down and scrapping most of those lofty pie in the sky ideas of planetary conquests goals, and have relegated that fools errand to adventure seeker billionaires? While at the same time have beefed up the the amount efforts in digital snooping, and satellite technologies?

Well, I didn't mean to make space travel sound easy. It's still very difficult.

I find this subject very exciting, but, then again, I also find it exciting that humans once moved to the various continents. I'm guessing you think I'm just a pawn of government propaganda. Man is that a big conspiracy! How do they keep all those people quiet? Do they drug people when the become government employees? I think some of you aren't going far enough with your conspiracies. If you really argued to make them work they'd get really cool! Think 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers' cool.

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/newsroom/pressreleases/20140123a.html

bgamall4 says

There is a link to Bloomberg

Do you recognize when you write "there is a link to Bloomberg" and then provide a link to some other website? A "link to Bloomberg" will have "Bloomberg.com" in it. Careful out there on the internets people. You'll get had!

bgamall4 says

Maybe you are having too much fun.

Almost certainly.

edvard2 says

Nothing ever changed. The way things had been there was the way it had always
been and if anything ever changed people generally took notice. I remember that
everyone was unquestionably conservative and always voted Republican no matter
what. I was raised this way. I was never given reasons why, but only that I
should ALWAYS vote Republican, which I did right up into my 20's.

I can relate to your story, although mine wasn't in the south, but the midwest. Watching the movie that I linked below kind of sums it up too:

The Village (2004 film) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Village_(2004_film)

The occupants of a small Pennsylvania village in 1897 live in fear of nameless creatures in the surrounding woods. They have constructed a large barrier of oil lanterns and watch towers that are constantly manned to keep watch for "Those We Don't Speak Of." It is explained that the villagers have a long-standing truce with the monsters; the villagers do not go into their woods, and the creatures do not enter their village.

CaptainShuddup says

I'm still waiting for that Obama moment that future presidents will recount in future presidential speeches, so far I haven't seen it.

That will marvel at how much patience he has exhibited when surrounded by a nation of idiots, and the jingoistic corporate yellow journalism that "informs" their collective primitive brains.

Unless we default on the debt, we will never restore the confidence of foreign investors who remember how fairly we treated them in 2006 with AAA MBS securities.

bgamall4 says

This is for Bigsby when I told him about the statues, Gog and Magog in the empire that stretches to the 4 corners of the earth, the British Empire. The 1000 years has passed, the time between the end of the Roman Empire and the beginning of the British Empire. The deception of the nations is that the NWO is good. It is not, it is BAD, EVIL:

7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, 8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. 9And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them.…

You didn't tell me anything about them. I clearly explained to you why what you were saying was, of course, complete nonsense. Why don't you just go back and reread that thread?

And get some help whilst you're at it.