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if russia invades the ukraine "there will be consequences"

there are ALWAYS consequences, but for who?

and usually we don't know what the consequences will be "while we are doing IT"

jojo says

why is that idiotic?

This is what I was referring to as idiotic:

JH says

As Podesto goes on to explain, Fannie and Freddie qualifying loans can go up to a 50% DTI (with approval), FHA will go up to 57%, and VA will go to 60%. HARP loans go even higher.

Analyzer says

Does not matter, the banks need to lend and will find ways around these faux standards as they have always done.

Yeah that was my point...see previous post. It's insane how the 43% (and the former 28/35%) mean nothing!!

jojo says

Maybe thats the whole point of the exercise.

I think it is also to pretend there are consumer protections in place?

What about the Russian medical students in the Ukraine? They are in danger and something must be done to save them!

dodgerfanjohn says

Call it Crazy says

FortWayne says

Obama does a lot of warnings, most are PR stunts for the public, since often those being warned are well aware of the emptiness in the actions behind words.

Yeah, now it's time for Obama to send Putin a "very" stern warning.... That should put Putin in his place...

At least Bush was bright enough to put people in charge who actually knew what they were doing..whether you agree with them or not is another matter. But Rice, Powell, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al are all expert in foreign affairs.

Clinton, Hagle, Kerry(ugh), et al....not so much.

Cheney, Rumsfeld and the other clowns totally mismanaged the Iraq war. They had no plans for an insurrection, and were caught looking as clueless as they were. Absolute bozos.

Perhaps they will leave if Obama threatens to make them participate in Obamacare.

Iosef V HydroCabron says

I love this Putin guy: he's like me, but with smaller labor camps and better media managers.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-sandy-hook-victims-not-in-social-security-death-index.3186/

Are you going to remove this comment ?

Clinton was a bozo.

bush Sr was a bozo

Reagan was a bozo

Carter was a bozo

Ford was a bozo

Nixon was a bozo

Johnson was a bozo

Kennedy was a bozo

Etc.

See how that works?

Can I be in the end of video game to fuck you in the ass and gain back victory for the REALTORs?

And the satanic way that houses are sold by REALTORs are once again in effect thanks to me?

Can you include Satan worshipping by me and REALTORs in the video game?

so it looks like we only get to choose from bozos. i guess anyone who isn't a bozo will never make it to the primary election ! but i guess most of the persons in the US qualify to be president.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

No.

I understand. I'm winning in real life and you need a fantasy to pretend I'm not.

I'm very sorry to ask. It was inappropriate of me. You can create the video game featuring me being fucked in the ass. It's the least I can do... Considering how many lives I've destroyed in real life and I'm still free and not in handcuffs wearing a wedding dress.

dodgerfanjohn says

But Rice, Powell, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al are all expert in foreign affairs.

Wow. Somebody actually thought that sentence, and then typed it.

Right-wing theology is something to behold.

How many more times would they have to fuck up before you would decide they sucked?

CaptainShuddup says

Iosef V HydroCabron says

Plus, right-wing Americans love him!

Oh we love anybody who keeps Obama in his place...

As Obama has adopted right-wing policies, you reject them. Obama hatred comes above political principles.

I'm the FIFTH reason.

Does the game include Realtors in Wedding Dresses at Florence?

Summary chain saw justice is fun, but isn't always trumped by Wedding Dress justice.

Robber Baron Elite Scum says

ou can create the video game featuring me being fucked in the ass. It's the least I can do

Who's having the fantasy now?

Will the game have dromedary humping or Realtors being torn apart by rabid baboons on acid?

That might be too violent and overturn the PG rating.

If the PG rating is gone anyway, Cat Houses in which all the hookers are Realtors and Lawyers plying litigation/ realty scams to customers who are too drunk and horny to know the difference. The houses can be cleaned out with Gatlings at intervals during the game.

Who does he think he is, the fifth Beatle?

Iosef V HydroCabron says

As Obama has adopted right-wing policies, you reject them. Obama hatred comes above political principles.

No I despise him most for taking advantage of the gullible and vulnerable in this country.

Can someone (not Crazy) please start a real thread about Ukraine/Crimea that is not 80% right-wing propaganda? Some solid and truthful analysis is welcome.

Bay Area Observer, are you up for the task? From what I can tell, Crimea is an independent Republic that has every right to choose to be part of Russia is they so desire, just like the rest of Ukraine may choose otherwise.

The US newspapers and propaganda outlets appear to be doing the usual context-free play-by-play coverage, rather than INFORMING the public about what the historical facts of the region are.

I admit I could be wrong, but I think the US news coverage is just simplistic anti-Russia propaganda, to a large extent.

Ob joke: Am I going to have to tune into the Larry King show on Russsia Today to find out what is really going on?

An analogy to consider: What would the US do if Florida decided they wanted to be part of Cuba? (not the same situation, but food for thought)

justme says

Can someone (not Crazy) please start a real thread about Ukraine/Crimea that is not 80% right-wing propaganda? Some solid and truthful analysis is welcome.

The Economist, Al Jazeera, Der Spiegel.

You can pretty much ignore all domestic commercial news sources on this story.

Any President who doesn't place the integrity of the Ukraine above all else is a traitor to America!

Oh well if Cynthia Tucker says so...

No Job Security
No Credit Security
No Savings Security
No faith in the value of the Market

Fix at least two of those things, and most people would be able to buy a house, or believe they will buy a house someday.

As it is now, most people who don't own or haven't been trying to buy a house for the last 5 years. Can't ever imagine them selves buying a house if the current economic conditions persist. That doesn't mean they don't want a house, of course everyone would want to buy a house. That is just basic, no matter who or how they try to spin it.

And because of the basic fundamental want and need, especially in a Democratic society. If owning a house is impossibly out of reach for most people, who would otherwise like to think of them selves as Middle class. Then eventually there will be political hell to pay. I would be concerned trying to invest in bulk properties, communities will be riling against the corporate serial landlord, commoditizing residential single family properties. With the goal to rent out.

CaptainShuddup says

And because of the basic fundamental want and need, especially in a Democratic society. If owning a house is impossibly out of reach for most people, who would otherwise like to think of them selves as Middle class. Then eventually there will be political hell to pay. I would be concerned trying to invest in bulk properties, communities will be riling against the corporate serial landlord, commoditizing residential single family properties. With the goal to rent out.

While I agree, I think the bigger issue with renting is the ability of rents to swing wildly when Wall Street maximizes its speculative ability in rental housing. They'll be pilling on campaign contribution cash to deregulate rental markets so they have no responsibility to the home's upkeep. They'll buy and sell homes, raising and lowering rents as markets shift due to renter initiative or lack thereof, forcing renters to move year by year or when properties change hands or families are priced out of previously affordable markets. In short, the uncertainty created for renters will be the corporate investors' undoing. You can still feel middle class if your rent stays reasonable and you have the option stay for as long as you choose to do so. When you're hopping from foot to foot, wondering when the eviction notice is coming despite the fact that you're paid up and never cause trouble, then people get angry.

bgamall4 says

CaptainShuddup says

Oh well if Cynthia Tucker says so...

People are quoted as saying they don't want to give the poor medical care at all, and they are in the Republican Party. You need to do better than that Captain.

One person does not represent views of the entire party. Who the hell is Cynthia Tucker anyway? You are reading an Oped there, it might as well be fiction.

curious2 says

Schizophrenia, paranoid type, is a serious mental illness. Please, find someone you can trust to help you sort fact from fiction. And, although I'm always skeptical of PhRMA, in your case, you should (re)consider medication. Sometimes these symptoms can result from drugs that you might be taking already, even if they are legal.

I didn't take it seriously too at first, but he brought up a lot of video evidence of Sandy Hook being staged. I don't know why, but this government has gone weird on us lately. Why stage a school shooting, and blow it out of proportion just to try to take away guns? I don't know, but I'm sure someone in government does.

This government has gone very far in their plots for one or another reason, wouldn't put anything past them these days.

FortWayne says

Why stage a school shooting, and blow it out of proportion just to try to take away guns?

Actually, as I pointed out to bgamall in a different thread, the parents aren't trying to take away guns, many of them are in fact gun owners. They are lobbying to put more kids on pills. At least if you are going to suspect a conspiracy, follow the $$$ to where it actually leads. Also, as I pointed out on that thread, it isn't necessary for them to create a fake tragedy; there are plenty of real tragedies that can be exploited by politicians and lobbyists, and Sandy Hook is an example.

One Republican farts and every Democrat not only smells it, but can tell you precisely what every Republican ate last night.

Total liberal here.

I took one of those tests and they called me a Progressive.

HA!

First of all those quizes lead the witness by setting the issues.
I despise all of the petty issues that are just ripped apart and exposed and strewn around, as the pundits rub the deadhorse juices all over them selves, in media splendor, but never mention the things that are important. 90% of the questions in those quizes are not even issues, I'm concerned with, neither are your average person. These issues are presented as the issues, and the important shit just gets drowned out. These questions and polls are designed as a social engineering tool. They brain wash people into thinking these are the issues. And one want's to be current to be hip.

There's no "Fuck off ask me a real question!" option.
So I'm forced to make complacent selection, but I really don't give a shit. Other than it annoys the shit out of me, that because I don't give a fuck about these issues, and they shouldn't even be up for discussion, the majority of the time. If I just leave it at that, then some asshole will make the decision for me.
Next thing you know, Hilary "have you met my husband" Clinton, and the guy who organized that thing for what's his face, are two best options to be the President of the United States of Fucking America!

They should have mail in option, if they wanna know how I feel.

As far as I'm concerned, I only want scientists and engineers on welfare, no one else.

That makes me an elitist.

"There should be no National ID card."

I mean where do you go with that?

Agree, Disagree, Strongly disagree?

What a crock of shit.

What do you call a SS card and Voters Registration?
An all in one photo ID would only be the next logical step.

But there are bigger things I'm concerned with than that.

Where's the Erick Holder should be arrested by the Sheriff Joe and put in an Arizona prison tent, with a pink jump suit?

Where's is Obama a Muslim questions?

Where's the should the financial collapse be fully investigated, along with Alan Hosespan, Hanky Panky Paulson, Tim Geigercounter, and Ben burnt nekkid?

Give me some shit I can sink my teeth into.

And here is how the conversation went -
Obama - "You better not put troops in Ukraine."
Putin - "Up your's."

Dial tone.

Libertarian reporting in!

anonymous says

justme - Okay, just started a new thread, is this what you had in mind?

Thanks, I don't see the new thread, but info above is good.

You know younger generation might not actually understand the phone is being held upside down, they probably never even seen a rotary. Kids these days with their cell phones...

Pretty funny though.

The following article says that the prime minister of Crimea REQUESTED support from Russia in the form of military troops.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/3/1/in-crimea-citizensstandforselfdefenseandmotherrussia.html

That small but significant fact appears to be missing from the at-best simplistic news reporting in the US.

Now, you may question whether the Crimean PM has the authority for this action. That depends on whether Crimea is indeed autonomous, which they claim to be. Here is what Wikipedia has to say about Crimean autonomy:

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On 26 February 1992, the Verkhovniy Sovet (the Crimean parliament) renamed the ASSR the Republic of Crimea and proclaimed self-government on 5 May 1992[25][26] (which was yet to be approved by a referendum to be held 2 August 1992[27]) and passed the first Crimean constitution the same day.[27] On 6 May 1992 the same parliament inserted a new sentence into this constitution that declared that Crimea was part of Ukraine.[27]

On 19 May, Crimea agreed to remain part of Ukraine and annulled its proclamation of self-government but Crimean Communists forced the Ukrainian government to expand on the already extensive autonomous status of Crimea.[15]:587

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In summary, the right-wing dunderheads are spouting propaganda when they claim that Russia has simply invaded Crimea.