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sbh says

Do you know what correlate means? T

: the state or relation of being correlated; specifically : a relation existing between phenomena or things or between mathematical or statistical variables which tend to vary, be associated, or occur together in a way not expected on the basis of chance alone

I was prescribed Ritalin as a kid I think I was one of the first kids given Ritalin in the early 70s. Since then the use of these type of drugs has skyrocketed as has school shootings. That is empirical and I have seen a correlation.

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sbh says

You're not allowed to use graphs. It's all conjecture. You're projecting. Yay?

Brilliant retort, I would not expect any thing more from you.

sbh says

our ranting correlates to the way cockroaches crawl up the wall of your kitchen.

It is a huge point, and that is your response? Man you are fucked up.

sbh says

No, you ass, it's conjecture on your part. It could be correlated to global warming for all you know.

Yea sure if everything equals everything, this is called insanity.

Single greatest cause of death? Birth!

As a former RKBA advocate, and familiar with firearms, I have mixed opinions on this matter. However I do think the socio-political climate is the prime factor to do with the number of massacres. If I had to pick one "government" factor, it would be the gutting of mental health system post-Reagan.

When I grew up in Georgia in the 1970's, there was a huge "loony bin" in Milledgeville. Huge facility, and they weren't shy to lock people up there. Small town, and the name Milledgeville was synonymous with looney-bin for Georgians. It wasn't closed for lack of nutters, but because the funding was eliminated. I know there were "Cuckoo" abuses and terrible things, and maybe the lockup wasn't the best solution. But instead of being fixed, it was replaced with turning them out on the streets and hoping for the best.

At one point, we had to find a psych facility for a relative and couldn't find one with an open bed in the entire state. Lest you think this is just GOP-bashing on another front, I had the same opinion for the 30+ years I was a Republican/Glibertopian. It seemed shameful to me even then we decided to stop caring for our crazy people. Pressure is intense on the few beds there are now. We did get this relative into a psych ward, they were evaluated, had meds issued and adjusted and were dumped back out after 2 weeks only marginally better, because they needed to free up the bed.

sbh says

Now you're just babbling. Who home-schooled you, CaptainShuddup?

Oh now you are just being mean, ok I'm bored, see ya.

The problem with being in charge is this: you can't afford to be seen doing blatantly evil acts. Even the Nazis had to hide their genocidal activities from the general public. If it becomes apparent to the people that their government is evil or run by evil men with an evil agenda, revolution comes. Thus, the smart dictator doesn't allow himself to be forced into blatant acts of violence and oppression, but hides behind lawyers who sanitize his actions and provide justifications that any idiot can understand and faithfully spout to their neighbor if he gets a little upset over what shit just went down.
Modern Machiavelli isn't hard to understand, but you do need to be aware of the game or you fall into the role of puppet or pawn.

Vicente says

However I do think the socio-political climate is the prime factor to do with the number of massacres. If I had to pick one "government" factor, it would be the gutting of mental health system post-Reagan.

So you choose to ignore the correlation that I showed?

indigenous says

New Renter says

You consider deer hunters an army?

It would be guerrilla war. Yes it would be an army, many of whom would be ex military. Deer hunters can track and kill quite well. Delta force and Rangers get killed by guerrillas all the time.

Deer hunters CAN track and kill quite well. Rangers can do that and oh so much more....

Like call in airstrikes. Or artillery. Rangers have claymores too, and bunker busters.

Can Bubba do any of that?

Rangers get stocked from the Bausch and Lomb catalogs that Bubba never gets to see and probably has no idea about.

Bubba can take down a deer at 400 yds with a Remington 700. A ranger sniper with a dialed in M24 and a mag full of Lapua can take down a mouse at 1000 and choose which eye to hit.

Rangers can pick your locks and get into your home while you are sleeping. Your wife and *kids* might wake up but you won't.

Now Delta, they are a whole 'nother level

THOSE guys can make you vanish. There will be no record of your existence anywhere. Sure there will be photos, some people will remember you but they will be of a John Doe. IF you are still corporeal you will be in a hole, somewhere far far away contemplating the rest of your short, miserable existence.

More likely you will be a few miles offshore under a few thousand feet of water.

It would take many Bubbas to take down one Ranger. Even more to take down a Delta ranger.

indigenous says

I was prescribed Ritalin as a kid I think I was one of the first kids given Ritalin in the early 70s.

That does clarify things.

Ok Rambo no more army movies for you. Yup they are good but they are not supermen. A seal told me one time, do not believe everything you see in the movies. It is a bad idea to deify anyone.

indigenous says

Ok Rambo no more army movies for you. Yup they are good but they are not supermen. A seal told me one time, do not believe everything you see in the movies. It is a bad idea to deify anyone.

Movies? Who said anything about movies?

New Renter says

Movies? Who said anything about movies?

Are you a Delta?

indigenous says

New Renter says

Movies? Who said anything about movies?

Are you a Delta?

How can I be? They don't exist.

http://military.answers.com/military-training/inside-the-military-a-general-overview-of-army-delta-force-training

Call it Crazy says

indigenous says

Ok Rambo no more army movies for you. Yup they are good but they are not supermen. A seal told me one time, do not believe everything you see in the movies. It is a bad idea to deify anyone.

Ha Ha Ha.... That's exactly what I was thinking.... He's definitely watching too many Arnold movies!!!

Either that, or his imagination is working extremely overtime....

Imagination, yeah, that's it:

http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/ultimate-sniper-rifle-3-inches-at-1000-yards-tactical-rifles/

Now try to use your imagination to imagine what such a rifle COULD do in the hands of someone with decades of training:

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/06/04/Ex-Army-Ranger-Sniper-Makes-Standing-Shot-with-50-Cal-at-1000-Feet

As far as movies go I liked this one:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/19/movies/act-of-valor-film-with-active-duty-members-of-navy-seals.html?_r=0

Its a bit cheezy at times BUT it was filmed using real SEALS and during real training exercises.

The film was shot during actual training sessions; the plot is based on real exploits, Lt. Cmdr. Rorke Denver, one of the film’s two principal members of the SEALs, said at the screening. “Any SEAL who sees it will recognize that this was that person, and that was this person.”

I may not be a SEAL but I do personally know someone in that film doing their actual job.

New Renter says

As far as movies go I liked this one

There you go, lay off the army movies

Otherwise you might end up like sbh, thinking you are Clint Eastwood or something

indigenous says

New Renter says

As far as movies go I liked this one

There you go, lay off the army movies

Otherwise you might end up like sbh, thinking you are Clint Eastwood or something

SEALS are NAVY

Everyone knows that!

Except for you apparently.

nAPOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Old friend was career Navy, now retired and he said his favorite crowd on the ships on which he served was the SEALS. Smart guys - and all of them had killer libraries for trading.

Libraries of porn?

Yeah those Seals are really tough when chasing terrified sheepherders.... fighting those WW1 armed locals. With aircraft carrier and helicopter support of course. No need to ever have a fair, man on man fight with a mountain guerrilla (or his wife and children)....

Some of those "goatherders" are willing to strap on a vest of dynamite and actually use it. How many Bubba's are willing to go that extra mile? Many promise to do so but few - thankfully! - do.

As for research I suggest you get to know some of those special ops people. Listen to their war stories. Understand how hard they train and how good they get at what they do.

Quigley says

The problem with being in charge is this: you can't afford to be seen doing blatantly evil acts. Even the Nazis had to hide their genocidal activities from the general public. If it becomes apparent to the people that their government is evil or run by evil men with an evil agenda, revolution comes. Thus, the smart dictator doesn't allow himself to be forced into blatant acts of violence and oppression, but hides behind lawyers who sanitize his actions and provide justifications that any idiot can understand and faithfully spout to their neighbor if he gets a little upset over what shit just went down.

Modern Machiavelli isn't hard to understand, but you do need to be aware of the game or you fall into the role of puppet or pawn.

True.

href="http://patrick.net/?p=1241622&c=1075475#comment-1075475">Call it Crazy says

New Renter says

As for research I suggest you get to know some of those special ops people. Listen to their war stories. Understand how hard they train and how good they get at what they do.

I already know a bunch, and as good as they are, they are only available in small numbers, not near the strength if needed in multiple areas...

But keep watching your war movies, maybe you can write the next fictional script in Hollywood.....

I'd love to but my script would be too intense, even for AF.

I saw your Bubba-has-his-day fantasy though, back in the 80's.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087985/

It was almost as silly as this one:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0116629/

Special Ops forces are delicate instruments, honed by extensive training and excellent pay. Over-use a precision instrument makes it dull and dysfunctional. Add a few years of rapid inflation devaluing their salaries and domestic strife lowering their morale, you end up with the farce like the failed Iran hostage rescue operation in the desert in 1980, which involved all the Special Ops branches.

On top of that, using Special Ops domestically will eventually run into the late Roman Empire problem: the pretorium guards became good at one thing -- replacing emperors. Not even their own members could fend off the replacing act.

Reality says

Over-use a precision instrument makes it dull and dysfunctional. Add a few years of rapid inflation devaluing their salaries and domestic strife lowering their morale, you end up with the farce like the failed Iran hostage rescue operation in the desert in 1980, which involved all the Special Ops branches.

You need to read up on the Iran mission, other than wiki. It failed because bad luck and too many armchair warriors afraid of hurting people being in charge. The overall commander was an air force general who's biggest concern was avoiding iranian casualties. The special forces people were not in any way to blame. They were neither dull from over usage or suffering from any moral problems.

Call it Crazy says

I already know a bunch

You know a "bunch" of specail ops people. Really, how did that come to be? There aren't very many to start with, they don't usually hang out with civilians, and they are concentrated in a couple of bases. Delta at McCord, Bragg, Elgin, Ft Carson, seals at little creek and coronado. I grew up on navy bases including little creek, worked in VIrginia Beach 3 years yet I have only met a couple very casually.

bob2356 says

Call it Crazy says

I already know a bunch

You know a "bunch" of specail ops people. Really, how did that come to be? There aren't very many to start with, they don't usually hang out with civilians, and they are concentrated in a couple of bases. Delta at McCord, Bragg, Elgin, Ft Carson, seals at little creek and coronado. I grew up on navy bases including little creek, worked in VIrginia Beach 3 years yet I have only met a couple very casually

I had the pleasure of meeting the person I mentioned earlier through a relative while living in San Diego. I met a few SEALS from the team at various events in Coronado. Good people.

Guns don't kill people, petty condescending Cock suckers with a smug attitudes drive people to kill them. The Gun is just a ways to a means.

New Renter says

I had the pleasure of meeting the person I mentioned earlier through a relative while living in San Diego. I met a few SEALS from the team at various events in Coronado. Good people.

That was my experience also, meeting a couple randomly through social events around Virginia Beach. None were volunteering any war stories, so I'm surprised you were able to hear any. I very much doubt cic knows a "bunch" of special ops people.

bob2356 says

New Renter says

I had the pleasure of meeting the person I mentioned earlier through a relative while living in San Diego. I met a few SEALS from the team at various events in Coronado. Good people.

That was my experience also, meeting a couple randomly through social events around Virginia Beach. None were volunteering any war stories, so I'm surprised you were able to hear any. I very much doubt cic knows a "bunch" of special ops people.

So I have how is this relevant?

bob2356 says

New Renter says

I had the pleasure of meeting the person I mentioned earlier through a relative while living in San Diego. I met a few SEALS from the team at various events in Coronado. Good people.

That was my experience also, meeting a couple randomly through social events around Virginia Beach. None were volunteering any war stories, so I'm surprised you were able to hear any. I very much doubt cic knows a "bunch" of special ops people.

Well he may know people who claim to be special ops:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/navy-seals-imposters-coming-woodwork-seal/story?id=13564587

indigenous says

#1 Cause of Death,

Dying.

In regards to your Nazi analogy, if the United States government were to commit genocide against a particular segment of its population, there is nothing U.S. citizens could do to prevent it. The government has tanks, drones, Apache helicopters, nuclear missiles, chemical weapons, and countless arms. A band of citizens even with illegal guns would be slaughtered.

Ever notice that the Second Amendment says "the right to bear arms", and not "the right to bear guns"? This is because the gun is only one type of arm, and hardly adequate to prevent tyranny. In order to make sure the U.S. doesn't commit genocide, the citizenry would need access to every type of weapon the government has and the citizenry would have to have lots more of them to make up for the lack of taxation and central authority.

In other words, to prevent your Doomsday scenario, we would either have to let citizens posses nukes, or we would have to largely disarm our government. Which makes more sense today?

If you want to prevent a Nazi-style take-over of the U.S. and an American Holocaust, the answer is to cut warfare spending by over 90%. Everything else is just a looney fantasy.

Dan8267 says

In other words, to prevent your Doomsday scenario, we would either have to let citizens posses nukes, or we would have to largely disarm our government. Which makes more sense today?

Great, so out choices are for a nuclear armed Cado foundation or the local preppers vying to become the neighborhood warlord.

Dan8267 says

If you want to prevent a Nazi-style take-over of the U.S. and an American Holocaust, the answer is to cut warfare spending by over 90%. Everything else is just a looney fantasy.

Another good thing to do to prevent this is fight against centralized government control over the economy, maintaining freedom of speech instead of trying to consolidate it at the largest crony-corporate levels while also arguing only "individuals" who can be very easily intimidated at that level can have it, not making religion subservient to the state (i.e., saying you will at most tolerate it as long as it does not question what the government does), and not trying to push some social constructs and agendas (even though you may agree with the underlying rationale for them).

Call it Crazy says

bob2356 says

I very much doubt cic knows a "bunch" of special ops people.

New Renter says

Well he may know people who claim to be special ops:

So much speculation from clueless people... Like you have ANY idea who I know or where I've been....