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curious2 says

Bottom line, policies such as the "war on drugs" distract people from the revenue maximizing war on health, including HeritageFoundationCare.

All the politicians and cops say that all the innocent deaths caused by the War on Drugs is justified because pot is a gateway drug that we can't let children experience just once. Turns out that sugar is the worst drug and that we feed our children it in massive quantities. Why isn't excessive sugar and high fructose corn syrup bad? We know these two things are killing countless Americans including children.

And by the way, this is coming from a sugar addict who never smoked pot. At least I'm trying to minimize my sugar intake, but it's damn hard when everything in the supermarket contains sugar in some form or another, especially the so-called fat-free "health" food.

Dan8267 says

so-called fat-free "health" food.

is often worse because they have replaced fat with more sugar. "Many foods marketed as "low-fat" may contain more than twice the amount of sugar as "regular" versions."

curious2 says

Dan8267 says

so-called fat-free "health" food.

is often worse because they have replaced fat with more sugar. "Many foods marketed as "low-fat" may contain more than twice the amount of sugar as "regular" versions."

Very true. They have to add sugar to make it taste better after removing fat.

But not all fats are bad for you. See http://www.helpguide.org/life/healthy_diet_fats.htm

curious2 says

Dan8267 says

so-called fat-free "health" food.

is often worse because they have replaced fat with more sugar.

There is no reason to go fat free, as the link between heart disease and saturated fat has been completely disproven. For now science only says to avoid trans-fat and (partially) hydrogenated fat.

Fat free means it has partially hydrogenated oil to clog your arteries.
Sugar free means it has Asperatame to make you diabetic and obese.
Low in calories means it is processed garbage even rats won't eat.

mell says

avoid trans-fat and (partially) hydrogenated fat.

In the context of fat, hydrogenated (including partially hydrogenated) means "trans". The process adds hydrogen to saturate the fat molecules, converting mono-unsaturated or poly-unsaturated to saturated fat. The word "trans" is easier to say than the phrase, "saturated with hydrogen."

A major purpose of saturating fat is to make it solid at room temperature. For example, old fashioned peanut butter can be very healthy, but you have to stir it, because at room temperature the liquid peanut oil rises to the top of the jar. "New and improved" peanut butter from Jif and Skippy is more convenient, you don't have to stir it, because the fat in the peanut oil has been hydrogenated and remains solid at room temperature. That convenience comes at a price. If you like peanut butter, get some free exercise buying the kind you have to stir. The total quantity of calories and fat may be the same, but the better quality is healthier for you.

There is new evidence to support the theory that it is carbohydrates, especially refined carbohydrates (which break down quickly into sugar) that is fueling the obesity epidemic and not calories or fats. This means low fat diets are virtually useless, and watching your total calorie intake means nothing. Calorie differentiation is important.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/opinion/sunday/always-hungry-heres-why.html?hp&rref=opinion&_r=0

I wonder if any of the old crew who worked for the tobacco companies and now work doing climate change denial propaganda for big oil are involved in this.

I keep sniffing it, but I get nothing.

because you are not gonna cop your neighbor's hubcaps to cop a lid of sugar...

Dan8267 says

Why isn't excessive sugar and high fructose corn syrup bad?

turtledove says

I keep sniffing it, but I get nothing.

I think you have to freebase it, but don't try to hydrogenate and freebase at the same time.

SoftShell says

because you are not gonna cop your neighbor's hubcaps to get a lid of sugar...

Dan8267 says

Why isn't excessive sugar and high fructose corn syrup bad?

No, sugar only contributed to slavery for 300 years. No bad criminal effects there.

Dan8267 says

SoftShell says

because you are not gonna cop your neighbor's hubcaps to get a lid of sugar...

Dan8267 says

Why isn't excessive sugar and high fructose corn syrup bad?

No, sugar only contributed to slavery for 300 years. No bad criminal effects there.

That was back in the days when everyone was obese from sugar was it? Did other addictive substances like corn, cotton, soybeans, wheat also contribute to slavery? Get a life.

You people are the best example of what's wrong with America today I've seen yet. Everyone is a victim. Some big awful bogeyman is forcing everyone to do something bad.

Last time I looked no one held a gun to the heads of people sitting on their fat asses in a 20 minute drive up line that goes around the block twice at mcdonalds waiting to buy 64 oz drinks and 3 days worth of calories in a single meal of fat and sugar loaded foods.

So should the nanny state regulate sugar for people who are too stupid or indifferent to care what they eat? They will just eat some other garbage.

People have known that sugar makes you fat for thousands of years. This isn't some new discovery people.

Slave ship sails and rope were made out of hemp.
Thus marijuana played a major role in the transportation of slaves to the new world.
No bad criminal effects there.

Dan8267 says

SoftShell says

because you are not gonna cop your neighbor's hubcaps to get a lid of sugar...

Dan8267 says

Why isn't excessive sugar and high fructose corn syrup bad?

No, sugar only contributed to slavery for 300 years. No bad criminal effects there.

SoftShell says

Slave ship sails and rope were made out of hemp.

Slave ships were made out of wood, so forests are also criminal.

This book "Grain Brain" does a good job of summarizing some of the new research about meat and fat. Summary: We actually need fat and cholesterol for our nervous system to function!

http://www.amazon.com/Grain-Brain-Surprising-Sugar-Your-Killers/dp/031623480X

"Sleeper" got it right:

http://youtu.be/dFJopF6WJNw

SoftShell says

Slave ship sails and rope were made out of hemp.

Thus marijuana played a major role in the transportation of slaves to the new world.

No bad criminal effects there.

bob2356 says

SoftShell says

Slave ship sails and rope were made out of hemp.

Slave ships were made out of wood, so forests are also criminal.

You two are historically illiterate morons. Get an education before you shoot off your mouths and demonstrate your sheer ignorance. Quite frankly, neither of you two should have graduated from elementary school with such misunderstanding of history.

LiveScience: How Sugar Changed the World

White Gold, as British colonists called it, was the engine of the slave trade that brought millions of Africans to the Americas beginning in the early 16th-century. The history of every nation in the Caribbean, much of South America and parts of the Southern United States was forever shaped by sugar cane plantations started as cash crops by European superpowers.

Univ of Michigan: Sugar and Slavery

It is impossible to think about sugar production in the West Indies without thinking about slavery. The labor of enslaved Africans was integral to the cultivation of the cane and production of sugar. Slaves toiled in the fields and the boiling houses, supplying the huge amounts of labor that sugar required. Overall some four million slaves were brought to the Caribbean, and almost all ended up on the sugar plantations. Conditions were harsh, and mortality rates were extremely high through all stages of slaves' lives. In some sugar colonies the slave population was ten times that of Europeans, and slave uprisings were an ever-present fear for the planters.

Do you two bigots have any idea how offense and ridiculous your statements comparing hemp and wood for boats to the sugar trade is? Or are you two idiots just completely ignorant of history?

Obligatory:

Oh...so you don't think humans learning how to build ships, with hemp rope and hemp sails and forest wood changed the world?

You don't think the Nina, Pinta, and Santa Maria changed the world?
Yours is just a knee-jerk response to any post that threatens the sanctity of your beloved THC....btw, i don't believe for a second you don't toke it up every chance you get. Your maniacal defense of this subject matter is proof enough of your involvement.

Dan8267 says

You two are historically illiterate morons. Get an education before you shoot off your mouths and demonstrate your sheer ignorance. Quite frankly, neither of you two should have graduated from elementary school with such misunderstanding of history.

LiveScience: How Sugar Changed the World

curious2 says

"New and improved" peanut butter from Jif and Skippy is more convenient, you
don't have to stir it, because the fat in the peanut oil has been hydrogenated
and remains solid at room temperature.

Oh, and the new and 'improved' peanut butter also comes with a large dose of sugar. Both because of the hydrogenated oil and the sugar ... I've been eating the 'ya gotta stir it' type for many years. Oh, and the only things in that kind of peanut butter is peanuts and a touch of salt.

Studies have shown peanut agglutinin to make its way through the gut and into the blood stream, and peanuts are one of the crops most contaminated with aflatoxins. So I'm not so sure the kind we buy at the farmers markets that is nothing more than ground peanuts, is necessarily "very healthy"

Like sugar, wood and hemp are world commodities. All of these allowed mankind to make major strides during their historical window of impact.

SoftShell says

Slave ship sails and rope were made out of hemp.

Thus marijuana played a major role in the transportation of slaves to the new world.

SoftShell says

Oh...so you don't think humans learning how to build ships, with hemp rope and hemp sails and forest wood changed the world?

Way to double-down on stupidity.

And about ten thousand other books written by historians about the deep and irrevocable connection between the sugar trade and slavery. How many books on the connection between hemp/wood and slavery? None.

It is ridiculous and ignorant to state that the sugar trade has no historical relevance to the slave trade and that any connection between the two is as frivolous and inconsequential as trying to connect ropes and wood to the slave trade.

And yet, conservatives like SoftCock will continue to ignore all reality that conflicts with the conservative bubble.

Bill Maher said it best.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/K9iyfPvgwMg

errc says

Studies have shown peanut agglutinin to make its way through the gut and into the blood stream, and peanuts are one of the crops most contaminated with aflatoxins. So I'm not so sure the kind we buy at the farmers markets that is nothing more than ground peanuts, is necessarily "very healthy"

Those are good points, and almond butter would probably be better than peanut butter, but every food can have both benefits and costs. The risk of aflatoxins is minimized by effective regulation and testing (thanks FDA), so liver cancer hasn't proliferated nor even correlated with peanut butter consumption. I would definitely choose stirring peanut butter over agribusiness pork, for example, which is a horrible industry that pollutes the environment and occasionally kills people with outbreaks of swine flu. (Like SUV drivers, fast food pork buyers create potentially lethal risks both for themselves and especially for everyone else.) If my blood starts getting clumpy, I might start worrying about agglutinin, but I haven't yet seen that problem in anyone, nor any correlation between peanut butter and any disease (including cold agglutinin disease). On the bright side, watching dogs eat peanut butter is always good for a few laughs.