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Blurtman says

Probably so, but I was looking at it purely from the economic point.

Regarding Clinton, from memory, years 2-7 offered great and reliable stock market returns. Anyone could have made 20% per year in a low risk index fund. Double your money in 5 years. Ka ching!

Today it's even better. Ka ching Ka ching.

Hey, Isaac Newton was very in to alchemy, or at least so they say.

marcus says

Hey, Isaac Newton was very in to alchemy, or at least so they say.

His excuse was that he was born in an era of ignorant, eye-of-newt-and-toe-of-frog near-total religious obscurantism, and, though he created a new era of understanding the world in terms of actual evidence, he kept one foot planted firmly in the old world.

But then, it is not surprising he was an asshole. He was, after all, a conservative.

Wow just tried this with my microwave and a fork and you could literally see the gold jumping off the utensil! Brb gotta get rich!

Blurtman says

Regarding Clinton, from memory, years 2-7 offered great and reliable stock market returns. Anyone could have made 20% per year in a low risk index fund. Double your money in 5 years. Ka ching!

I guess Reagan/Bush policies kept working well into Clinton years..

of course when Clinton waltzed in Silicon Valley asking what Big Govt

could do.. the leaders here told him to go fuck himself... Seems there

wasnt anyone who dig what he wanted... Last trip he made to SFBA as

Prez... was strickly going to East Palo Alto schools..

Bottom line, Clinton did a rats ass to stimulate an economic growth.

HuggyBumbers McLovkins says

marcus says

Hey, Isaac Newton was very in to alchemy, or at least so they say.

His excuse was that he was born in an era of ignorant, eye-of-newt-and-toe-of-frog near-total religious obscurantism, and, though he created a new era of understanding the world in terms of actual evidence, he kept one foot planted firmly in the old world.

And who knows, maybe he was a skeptic, doing secret research on behalf of the government to confirm that the popular alchemy scams of the day were false.

(since the value of gold way such a key economic factor at that time - I'm sure the government would gladly hire the best minds to make sure that nobody was going to start making gold. )

Newton also was at one time a member of Parliament and later in charge of the royal mint. So to me the idea that his alchemy research was from a skeptical point of view (government research) makes some sense.

But either way, he was an interesting guy to be sure. Read about his occult theories and interests, and secret societies etc.

marcus says

And who knows, maybe he was a skeptic, doing secret research on behalf of the government to confirm that the popular alchemy scams of the day were false.

(since the value of gold way such a key economic factor at that time - I'm sure the government would gladly hire the best minds to make sure that nobody was going to start making gold. )

Newton also was at one time a member of Parliament and in charge of the royal mint. So to me the idea that his alchemy research was from a skeptical point of view makes some sense.

But either way, he was an interesting guy to be sure. Read about his occult theories and interests, and secret societies etc.

Isaac Newton's studies preceded any meaningful advances in Chemistry as we know it today by 100 years. He was delving into the unknown. The man developed Calculus and Classical Mechanics. He also performed some groundbreaking research in optics. I'm pretty sure, the fact that he was testing chemical theory when the subject was still in his infantile stages cannot be held against him.

marcus says

(since the value of gold way such a key economic factor at that time - I'm sure the government would gladly hire the best minds to make sure that nobody was going to start making gold. )

I'm pretty sure the government didn't give two flying fucks about that possibility back then.

thomaswong.1986 says

I guess Reagan/Bush policies kept working well into Clinton years..

of course when Clinton waltzed in Silicon Valley asking what Big Govt

could do.. the leaders here told him to go fuck himself... Seems there

wasnt anyone who dig what he wanted... Last trip he made to SFBA as

Prez... was strickly going to East Palo Alto schools..

Bottom line, Clinton did a rats ass to stimulate an economic growth.

Har har. Are you for real?

Homeboy says

Har har. Are you for real?

What great economic policies did Clinton enact to create a boom economy ?

and forget about balancing a budget.. that what Gingrich/GOP plan...

If anything, Clintons mismanagement led to the beginning of the a housing bubble.

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html

thomaswong.1986 says

Homeboy says

Har har. Are you for real?

What great economic policies did Clinton enact to create a boom economy ?

and forget about balancing a budget.. that what Gingrich/GOP plan...

There was a reason why he won a second term. Those were the good old days.
His only negative was having the hots for an intern, just like every other normal male on the planet.

Zombie Reagan would still be way better then Obama.

Strategist says

There was a reason why he won a second term. Those were the good old days.

What great economic plan did he have ? All of the plans for the recovery came from Bush R. which led to the job booms.

So what what that "reason" ? I bet you dont even know.

thomaswong.1986 says

Strategist says

There was a reason why he won a second term. Those were the good old days.

What great economic plan did he have ? All of the plans for the recovery came from Bush R. which led to the job booms.

You have a point there. A lot of it had to do with Reagan taming inflation.
By the same logic you cannot blame Obama for a bad economy.

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

Jimmy Carter - bad President

Ronald Reagan - good President

George Bush sr - OK President

Bill Clinton - good President

George Bush jr - bad President

Barack Obama - ??????

Ronald Reagan was not a good president. I thought he was, but he signed into law liar loans that ended up destroying America after he passed away. I often wonder what he would have thought about that result of his actions to Thatcherize America.

It was because of the liar loans I got my first home, when I lied through my teeth. They did not cause the crash of 2008, it was the NINJA loans.
Should I be thanking Reagan to make it possible to get my first home?

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Optimal Altitude for Throwing Banksters and Realtors Out of Helicopters

Forget about the helicopters. Use high altitude balloons. Just don't go above 65 miles or the banksters will exceed terminal velocity and burn up on reentry denying us a nice splatter at the end.

epitaph says

Wow just tried this with my microwave and a fork and you could literally see the gold jumping off the utensil! Brb gotta get rich!

Was it a gold plated fork to begin with? That doesn't count :P

Nice to know that Kitco has the same opinion of Libertoonians that I do.

theoakman says

I'm pretty sure, the fact that he was testing chemical theory when the subject was still in his infantile stages cannot be held against him.

I'm well aware of most of the amazing accomplishments of Newton, including those related to pre- chemistry.

But he supposedly had an interest in alchemy. That's what the historians say. I was speculating that his interest might have been a skeptical interest that has been misinterpreted.

He was into the occult and interpreting ancient wisdom that was supposedly encoded in ancient architecture, and the bible, et. Many even today find interesting puzzles in the accomplishments of the ancients, such as in ancient egypt.

Look it up. The guy had some "out there" interests or hobbies or whatever you want to call them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton's_occult_studies

theoakman says

I'm pretty sure the government didn't give two flying fucks about that possibility back then.

Actually they had laws against alchemy. And based on the "science" of the time, and Rosecrucian (sp?) rumors about alchemy, which might have simply been manipulation of the idiot public (and government officials), you can be sure that the government had plenty of idiots then, just like now, and that all the talk of alchemy terrified them, even if it was just a 3% chance of being true (in their minds - but higher chance in the minds of idiots, including those within government and or royalty)

THat link doesn't work. Try this.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=isaac+newton,+occult&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Dan8267 says

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Optimal Altitude for Throwing Banksters and Realtors Out of Helicopters

Forget about the helicopters. Use high altitude balloons. Just don't go above 65 miles or the banksters will exceed terminal velocity and burn up on reentry denying us a nice splatter at the end.

Banksters can't exceed terminal velocity by definition.

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

It was because of the liar loans I got my first home, when I lied through my teeth. They did not cause the crash of 2008, it was the NINJA loans.

Why am I the bad guy? I never defaulted.
They were happy, I was happy, everyone was happy.
Should I be thanking Reagan to make it possible to get my first home?

Liar loans were part of the NINJA loan complex. You are a typical selfish libertarian type who would play the fiddle while Rome burned.

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

It was because of the liar loans I got my first home, when I lied through my teeth. They did not cause the crash of 2008, it was the NINJA loans.

Should I be thanking Reagan to make it possible to get my first home?

Liar loans were part of the NINJA loan complex. You are a typical selfish libertarian type who would play the fiddle while Rome burned.

Why am I the bad guy? I never defaulted.
They were happy, I was happy, everyone was happy.

HuggyBumbers McLovkins says

broaden their minds by discomprehending chemistry and physics

I like the cut of your jib.

Discomprehending.

I had no idea there was a book on this:

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/196557.Science_Made_Stupid

Vicente says

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/196557.Science_Made_Stupid

It is on my shelf next to me as I write this.

marcus says

Look it up. The guy had some "out there" interests or hobbies or whatever you want to call them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton's_occult_studies

Alchemy wasn't an "out there" interest. It was a natural scientific curiosity of how the world worked.

Even if you could make gold and other metals with a microwave, the article fails to mention things like how much it costs to "make" an oz of various metals.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

We can sell tickets to people who ride up with the helicopters and shoot at the banksters on the way down, too

I was planning in staying on the ground and using my quad 50 cal anti-aircraft gun.

It's all Obama's fault!!!

Strategist says

thomaswong.1986 says

Strategist says

There was a reason why he won a second term. Those were the good old days.

What great economic plan did he have ? All of the plans for the recovery came from Bush R. which led to the job booms.

You have a point there. A lot of it had to do with Reagan taming inflation.

By the same logic you cannot blame Obama for a bad economy.

I think Volcker would say he had a little something to do with that. Reagan wisely left him in place until his heartthrob could be installed.

Reagan also personally discovered the North Sea oilfields, and supervised the ramping up of production from 1981 onward, which did quite a bit to curb inflation.

zzyzzx says

the article fails to mention things like how much it costs to "make" an oz of various metals.

I don't know about fission, but nuclear fusion tokamaks usually have a fraction of an ounce of Au coating the walls after a long period of use.

Gold obtained this way is at least $10 million per ounce.

bgamall4 says

You lied, but in the Thatcher self certified loan regime that came to America as liar loans, the financial system lied for people.

You mean to describe those home buyers who didnt have a W-2 job... frankly many were and are today consultants and small business owners. Therefore incomes in the past for a loan were difficult.

Or do you maintain everyone earned a W-2 Salary from working for some employer ?

jazz music says

WHICH IS TO CLINTON'S CREDIT SINCE "STIMULATE ECONOMIC GROWTH" IS ANOTHER CHEESY EUPHEMISM FOR "NANNY STATE WELFARE FOR WEALTHY CRONIES"

Dont be a coward.. give us examples of Clintons great Economic Plan which saved the economy and gave a boom to the stock market.

It sure the fuck wasnt Hilary Care ...

theoakman says

Alchemy wasn't an "out there" interest. It was a natural scientific curiosity of how the world worked.

Why take such an argumentative tone over what is simply an interesting topic.

I say that alchemy, specifically the search for the so called "philosopher's stone" was an out there topic, even then. And you even implied as much with your last argumentative comment when you said the British government would't give a flying fuck whether or not gold could be essentially manufactured - maybe even cheaply.

You still obviously haven't bothered to read up on this. Not only was the idea of finding the "philosopher's stone" out there, even then, if you read up on Newton, you will find he had occult interests that are and were out there.

If you are going to make a semantics argument about what I mean when I say "out there" well okay. But it just sounds cranky to me.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=isaac+newton,+occult&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

I think what may confuse you is the following. Yes modern chemistry did not exist yet, so much of his study of materials was what would count as the good science of the time. And he made many brilliant observations.

But when you start to get in to the occult side of it, thinking that there may be codes that can be found from ancient times that will enlighten us, or when you believe that sometimes new knowledge comes from angels maybe communicating with us, then you are entering in to "out there" territory.

I find it interesting that Newtons contributions to Mathematics and science coincide with the age of Enlightenment. One would think that Newton must have read Hume, Kant and others, and participated in intellectual debates of the day, and yet he still remained very attracted to the metaphysical and religion, even what is considered occult. E.g. deciphering secret messages in the bible, to conclude that the "endtimes" (or new beginning) prophesized in the bible will definitely be no earlier than 2060.

One can make diamonds in a lab:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufactured_diamond

Bit only a complete and total moron invests in diamonds.

jazz music says

Oh oh oh yeah I know this is liberal media and therefore you ignore all.

"The wide array of budget cuts and tax changes President Clinton proposed last night would fundamentally alter the way the Government raises and spends money. He said the aim of the program was to spread the burden of reducing the deficit and improving the economy's long-term prospects. The tax provisions were spelled out in greater detail than many of the spending goals. All figures are for fiscal years in billions of dollars. NEW TAXES Individual taxes

and now for the back wash.....

Flashback: Clinton Said He Raised Taxes on the Rich ‘Too Much’

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/335049/flashback-clinton-said-he-raised-taxes-rich-too-much-eliana-johnson

It’s worth noting that, for his part, President Clinton claimed that he raised taxes on the wealthy “too much.” According to a 1995 New York Times report, Clinton told attendees at a Houston fund raiser, “Probably there are people in this room still mad at me at that budget because you think I raised your taxes too much. It might surprise you to know that I think I raised them too much, too.”

The Dangerous Myth About The Bill Clinton Tax Increase

http://www.forbes.com/sites/charleskadlec/2012/07/16/the-dangerous-myth-about-the-bill-clinton-tax-increase/

During the first four years of his Presidency, real GDP growth average 3.2%, respectable relative to today’s economy, but disappointing coming as it did following just one year of recovery from the 1991 recession, the end of the Cold War and the reduction in consumer price inflation below 3% for the first time (with the single exception of 1986) since 1965.

For example, it was a half a percentage point slower than under Reagan during the four years following the first year of the recovery from the 1982 recession.

Employment growth was a respectable 2 million a year. But real hourly wages continued to stagnate, rising only 2 cents to 7.43 an hour in 1996 from $7.41 in 1992. No real gains for the middle class there.

Federal government receipts increased an average of $90 billion a year while the annual increase in federal spending was constrained to $45 billion. That led to a $183 billion, four-year reduction in the budget deficit to $107 billion in 1996.

jazz music says

WE ALL SUCK! --The Reagan library proves it too.

none of Clinton or Obamas economic policies can compete with Reagan..

how could they.. Clinton was not a great Gov of not so great State and Obama is still a 2yr senator.. Not much for experience to look on...

no wonder both are dreadful failures..

Looks like Hillary is quite buff.

zzyzzx says

One can make diamonds in a lab:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufactured_diamond

Bit only a complete and total moron invests in diamonds.

Manufacturing diamonds isn't alchemy--it's just changing the phase of Carbon.