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errc says

So if owning slaves was legal, and you thought it were wrong, you'd still own a slave, because, that's what the law allows?

Nope. But that's not really a good analogy. Paying taxes is not quite the same as owning another human being.

That looks like a pair of hirsute lesbians!!
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

She's so BIG!

She's so BIG!

She's BIG!

She's BIG!

She's BIG!

SoftShell says

a leopard never changes it's spots....

Dan8267 says

See, that's a specific, supported counter-argument to one of Moore's movies. Now, it doesn't undermine the premise of the film, but at least it's a legitimate attack. In contrast, all you do is assert vague generalities and accuse Moore of lying all the time but without giving a single example or supporting that it was a lie.

You have yet to point out a single "spot" on Michael Moore.

And you most certainly have not refuted the thesis of any of his movies.

She got tired of seeing his beady, psychotic eyes peering over her venus mound while he snarfed.

She got even fatter hoping he wouldn't be visible any more, but it didn't work.

Time to let go and claim her 25 million for duty above and beyond.

Why should I have to?
You already did.

Dan8267 says

You have yet to point out a single "spot" on Michael Moore.

Go to the zoo.
Watch a pair of hippos' pork.
That should answer what you are thinking....

lostand confused says

That looks like a pair of hirsute lesbians!!

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

She's so BIG!

She's so BIG!

She's BIG!

She's BIG!

She's BIG!

I'm guessing 17.....

lostand confused says

That looks like a pair of hirsute lesbians!!

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

She's so BIG!

She's so BIG!

She's BIG!

She's BIG!

She's BIG!

toilet seats they go through in a year....

Poor guy, all that comes to mind with this one is:

Fat drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son!

I hope she takes him to the cleaners and takes every penny he has.
That way he would know what it's like to not be so rich you live in a Liberal fantasy world where Canada has never seen one single gun shot fired in Anger and we can tax our way out poverty, while ignoring meaningful employment numbers. Being an idealist who believes bullshit of that caliber is a Rich man's game.
He'll be voting for Tea party candidate in the 2016 Presidential election.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Right, she ended up watching equine bestiality porn while he snarfed and insulted him when she fell asleep all the time

He probably believes that loud, fat person snoring and belching is an orgasmic response.

He wouldn't stop until he heard the snoring and then gave himself a gold star.

Any ideas what their children would look like?

I'm looking forward to Michael Moore making a movie on the nature of marriage, divorce and family courts in the US. That should be a treat, and maybe an eye-opener for progressives who unfortunately often are quite blind to injustices against men.

Moore is an excellent film-maker and a voice of working people, and I do not envy him his $50 million or whatever.

tatupu70 says

Heraclitusstudent says

Warren Buffet criticizes fiscal policies while profiting from them.

That's not hypocrisy either, in reality. He is criticizing current policy because he wants it changed. He still lives under those rules, however, so he may as well behave accordingly.

Of course it is hypocrisy. Nothing is stopping him from dissolving his government/taxpayer backstopped operation and send checks to the middle class to undo the damage done while living the rest of his life as a trappist monk. And reinstate his granddaughter he disowned for pointing out his hypocrisy in his will.

SoftShell says

Why should I have to?

You already did.

Dan8267 says

You have yet to point out a single "spot" on Michael Moore.

Because my specific criticism of one of Moore's movies, Sicko, does not undermine the thesis of that movie or show Moore to be dishonest or hypocritical in any way.

The movie Sicko makes a case that stands on a dozen legs. Removing just one of these legs does not make the case fall.

Hence, unless you are willing to accept that Moore is a great man bringing attention to worthy causes, you need to actually point out some flaws in his arguments. Alternatively, you conservatives could admit defeat and shut the hell up.

mell says

"the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own
behavior does not conform"

So, he believes that GOVERNMENT tax policy should be set up in a certain way that is different from current US law.

If Buffet were President and set up a tax policy that had an exception for the ultra wealthy--then he'd be a hypocrite.

As a citizen following current tax policy--he is most definitely NOT.

justme says

I'm looking forward to Michael Moore making a movie on the nature of marriage, divorce and family courts in the US.

I think we have a winner!!!

jazz music says

Money to dominate broadcast media with talking points and attack on other nominees on election week is propaganda not CHARITY. Legally it has been defined as charity so there's an example of corruption in US elections.

I asked what prevents him from donating to charity that he likes, or creating his own. You say some X is not a charity. That's totally irrelevant to this discussion.
It does not let him escape from his own responsibilities.

tatupu70 says

s a citizen following current tax policy--he is most definitely NOT

He is free to send more of his money to IRS. It seems he does not want to do that voluntarily.

gsr says

He is free to send more of his money to IRS. It seems he does not want to do
that voluntarily.

Nope- of course not. He realizes that sending his money to the IRS doesn't solve the problem and he wants to solve the problem.

tatupu70 says

He realizes that sending his money to the IRS doesn't solve the problem and he wants to solve the problem.

It does. It is called leading by example.

gsr says

It does. It is called leading by example.

lol--I hope that's a joke.

tatupu70 says

gsr says

He is free to send more of his money to IRS. It seems he does not want to do

that voluntarily.

Nope- of course not. He realizes that sending his money to the IRS doesn't solve the problem and he wants to solve the problem.

Oh dear. What problem do you think your uncle warren wants to solve?

errc says

Oh dear. What problem do you think your uncle warren wants to solve?

You honestly don't know? He'd like to address wealth disparity by adjusting the tax code.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffett_Rule

Certainly you've heard the story about the CEO paying a smaller percentage than his secretary?

And next time someone says that the two parties are the same, note this section:

"Nearly every Republican congressman opposed the proposal"

tatupu70 says

gsr says

It does. It is called leading by example.

lol--I hope that's a joke.

Here is what his company does currently:
"
Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway Owes Taxes Going Back To 2002
"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/29/warren-buffett-taxes-berkshire-hathaway_n_941099.html

gsr says

Here is what his company does currently:
"
Warren Buffett's Berkshire
Hathaway Owes Taxes Going Back To 2002
"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/29/warren-buffett-taxes-berkshire-hathaway_n_941099.html

And your point is?

tatupu70 says

And your point is?

If you don't understand, there is no hope for you.

gsr says

If you don't understand, there is no hope for you.

I think I understand better than you. You're trying to assert that Buffett is instructing his company to purposely avoid paying taxes. Is that correct?

Do you have any evidence to back that up? Because the article you provided certainly doesn't say that.

tatupu70 says

I think I understand better than you. You're trying to assert that Buffett is instructing his company to purposely avoid paying taxes. Is that correct?

Your answer would be completely opposite if we replace Warren Buffet with Mitt Romney and Berkshire Hathaway with Bain Capital.

gsr says

Your answer would be completely opposite if we replace Warren Buffet with
Mitt Romney and Berkshire Hathaway with Bain Capital.

And why do you think that is?

Two fat whales can't have a "cat fight", they have "flipper fights" or "blubber bashes" etc.

Somewhere a circus is missing its fatman/fatwoman tag team.

Being raped, plundered and held hostage by lawyers is an appropriate, ironic denouement for the Moore Heap, since he obviously thinks it is great when they sue everybody else for a trumped up cause.

You can't make this shit up!!

Dan8267 says

In Moore's film Sicko, Cuba's medical system was made out to be nearly perfect with everyone happy. ABC News reports that this assessment, although not without basis, is not accurate. The hospital Moore went to is not representative of one the typical Cuban would have access to.

Dan8267 says

Because my specific criticism of one of Moore's movies, Sicko, does not undermine the thesis of that movie or show Moore to be dishonest or hypocritical in any way.

I didn't want to beat this dead horse, but now that you mention it.....

prodigy says

You can't make this shit up!!

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

She's immense,

Likely she gave Hilary brain damage by trying to sit on her face and missed.

Moore's ex looks like she could twerk decapitate with a single butt cheek from a yard away. She is likely Hilary/Michelle recruitment material.

Ceffer says

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

She's immense,

Likely she gave Hilary brain damage by trying to sit on her face and missed.

Moore's ex looks like she could twerk decapitate with a single butt cheek from a yard away. She is likely Hilary/Michelle recruitment material.

None of them have any taste.

But…this is a guy who has railed against wealth in America for years: “fat-cat corporations,” “one-percenters,” “rich Republicans,” on and on.

Remember, everyone: this indicates that Moore is a hypocrite.

However, an anti-immigrant conservative who hires illegal aliens is not a hypocrite.

Simple enough to understand.

prodigy says

You can't make this shit up!!

Dan8267 says

In Moore's film Sicko, Cuba's medical system was made out to be nearly perfect with everyone happy. ABC News reports that this assessment, although not without basis, is not accurate. The hospital Moore went to is not representative of one the typical Cuban would have access to.

Dan8267 says

Because my specific criticism of one of Moore's movies, Sicko, does not undermine the thesis of that movie or show Moore to be dishonest or hypocritical in any way.

Man, you guys are grasping at straws. Are you seriously implying that the article I reference is calling Moore an out-right liar? Did you even read the article or even objectively read my posts? It's just pathetic when conservatives grasp at straws for the sole objective of poisoning the well, which is all you're trying to do anyway.

Statistics from the World Health Organization and the CIA show that infant mortality in Cuba is significantly lower than in the United States. So it's not like Moore was pulling anything out of his ass.

But, for sake of argument, let's call the Cuba thing completely wrong. You conservatives are still grasping at straws because
1. The error was not deliberate in contrast to what conservatives do, i.e. lying.
2. Removing Cuba as an example -- hell, even making Cuba an example of a terrible health care system -- does not undermine the premise of the film Sicko because the U.S. heath care system is still terrible while Canadian and Europeans, who use socialized medicine, have far superior health care systems, life expectancy, and health.
3. Even if Moore had lied about Cuba -- which he clearly did not -- it would not mean the rest of Sicko or any of his other films were inaccurate. The mere fact that only I, a liberal, could find ANY flaws in Moore's arguments proves that you conservatives don't have a problem with the facts of Moore's films; you just don't want the crappy systems fixed.

So try and poison the well all you want. It doesn't change the fact that Sicko and all other Moore films were spot on. The American health care system before Obamacare was a complete fucking joke that cost more lives than if a 9/11 happened 10 times a year every fucking year. And that's a damn conservative estimate that doesn't include the multitudes of people who die because their health insurance providers weasel their way out of covering treatments as shown in Sicko.

Is Obamacare crap? Yes, it lacks
1. Single Payer
2. Nationalization of health insurance.
3. Socializing the costs of health care across the entire country.

I.e., it's nothing like European socialized medicine. Not even the first step. The problem with Obamacare is that it isn't socialized medicine, which empirically works better than capitalism. And don't give me any free market bullshit. Capitalism not only killed the free market, it killed the health care market altogether. There literally is NO market or anything resembling a market, free or otherwise, in health care. Unregulated capitalism always eliminates free markets.

But the fact remains that every single problem Moore pointed out in any of his movies is spot on. And you conservatives have presented to evidence that Moore is wrong on any of this issues or that any problem he pointed out isn't real or damn important.

No.
Prodigy has shown that you can't make your sun-baked mind up on your position.

In one post you imply that moore was dishonest by using as an example a cuban hospital that is not at all representative of the care cubans receive.

In the next post you say that moore is not dishonest or hypocritical in any way.

So which is it?
Or does your position wax and wane on whether the next crazy ivan is to starboard?

Dan8267 says

Are you seriously implying that the article I reference is calling Moore an out-right liar?

Dan8267 says

prodigy says

You can't make this shit up!!

Dan8267 says

In Moore's film Sicko, Cuba's medical system was made out to be nearly perfect with everyone happy. ABC News reports that this assessment, although not without basis, is not accurate. The hospital Moore went to is not representative of one the typical Cuban would have access to.

Dan8267 says

Dan8267 says

Because my specific criticism of one of Moore's movies, Sicko, does not undermine the thesis of that movie or show Moore to be dishonest or hypocritical in any way.