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Why because I'm prolife and anti public executions?

CaptainShuddup says

Why because I'm prolife and anti public executions?

No, because you are susceptible to extremist thinking. I think it's genetic. If you were born and raised in Taliban Afghanistan, you would have been an extremist with their values and beliefs. If it was Iran, you would be stoning women to death, while calling out for "death to America"

Strategist says

extremist thinking

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raised in Taliban Afghanistan

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you would have been an extremist

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stoning women to death

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"death to America"

So you guys do care about that stuff? But only when you can call people you don't agree with, then you'll say stupid shit like that, like I'm supposed to be what? Like "Oh no he ditunt!".
You're just as hurt and outraged by my opinion on this whole episode, as I was that it even played out in the media.
I'm not calling you the Taliban, you're the one cheering the death of a woman.
I'm at least saddened by it.

CaptainShuddup says

So you guys do care about that stuff? But only when you can call people you don't agree with, then you'll say stupid shit like that, like I'm supposed to be what? Like "Oh no he ditunt!".

You're just as hurt and outraged by my opinion on this whole episode, as I was that it even played out in the media.

I'm not calling you the Taliban, you're the one cheering the death of a woman.

I'm at least saddened by it.

How are you saddened when your subject heading says "Good riddance asshole"
We are not cheering her death, we are cheering the end of her suffering. If I was terminally ill, and in tremendous pain I would want to pull the plug too. I could care less what the church that knows nothing about anything thinks.

CaptainShuddup says

Our health system is getting darker and more uncertain, we need stories about cancer advances. Stories about political action committees backing up cheaper caner treatment and great access to it.

Yes: Obamacare killed her. But didn't Keynesians play a role here?

Do you have the faintest idea what a political action committee is? They sure don't concern themselves with "caner" treatment.

CaptainShuddup says

My point wasn't pass judgement on her to say that I think she's going to hell or not.

You explicitly passed judgment on her and said she's going to hell.

Strategist says

How are you saddened when your subject heading says "Good riddance asshole"

We are not cheering her death, we are cheering the end of her suffering. If I was terminally ill, and in tremendous pain I would want to pull the plug too. I could care less what the church that knows nothing about anything thinks.

Then pull it, that's not my problem. There should never be LEGAL plug pulling.

Do me a favor will ya, if I'm ever in a coma or chronically stricken just leave me in the corner hooked up to my shit, and leave me the fuck alone. We don't need cases like this creating situations where death panels are real.

Sorry Mr. Jarvis, says here you got three months to live, please follow me to the firing squad.

CaptainShuddup says

Strategist says

How are you saddened when your subject heading says "Good riddance asshole"

We are not cheering her death, we are cheering the end of her suffering. If I was terminally ill, and in tremendous pain I would want to pull the plug too. I could care less what the church that knows nothing about anything thinks.

Then pull it, that's my problem. There should never be LEGAL plug pulling.

Do me a favor will ya, if I'm ever in a coma or chronically stricken just leave me in the corner hooked up to my shit, and leave me the fuck alone. We don't need cases like this creating situations where death panels are real.

Sorry Mr. Jarvis, says here you got three months to live, please follow me to the firing squad.

What? And pay $100,000 a day for you to just lie there in intensive care? Ok, if that is your wish, but I might accidentally trip on the cord and pull the plug. OOPS.

Strategist says

What? And pay $100,000 a day for you to just lie there in intensive care?

That's why people want to die!

That is the real tragedy of this story not that she killed her self, that you guys cheered as she did, or that I got my knickers in a twist over it.
We had healthcare reform, nobody dies today!

Oh wait no we didn't we have Obamacare that doctors run from, that's why the government bought bullets. Obamacare doctors will prescribe them.

I'll be goddamned if we'll worry about $100,000 a day treatment. That's just trivial and besides our 401Ks depend on it. Next year it will be $200,000 a day, and insurance premiums will be double.

brain cancer is obviously one of the most horrific cancers out there and is a death sentence regardless of which healthcare systems exist.

CaptainShuddup says

Then pull it, that's not my problem. There should never be LEGAL plug pulling.

And what about the freedom for someone to choose for themselves how their life ends?

Bigsby says

CaptainShuddup says

Then pull it, that's not my problem. There should never be LEGAL plug pulling.

And what about the freedom for someone to choose for themselves how their life ends?

The Church has final say on that. Sorry.

Bigsby says

CaptainShuddup says

Then pull it, that's not my problem. There should never be LEGAL plug pulling.

And what about the freedom for someone to choose for themselves how their life ends?

They have that freedom now, that is their personal freedom. Any assistance should be considered murder no matter how well intentioned.

Though if they didn't make a public spectacle out of the episode, then who's to claim it was other than suicide.

I certainly don't want to see a situation where these people post their right to suicide stories and we're supposed to follow them like we're watching a moma elephant pull a baby elephant out of the dirt video on Youtube.

There's no honor in that, just handle your business if you're ready to cash out.
It shouldn't be social media drama, reported on the news like it's someone's third tit.

Cap'n, you have the right to your own opinions, but this is about one of the ugliest ways you could express it. Wow.

I believe, in almost all cases, that anytime the state is taking a decision from a person, one that does no direct harm to another, the state is wrong. As to religious beliefs about suicide versus euthanasia, it's a good thing we have separation of church and state.

There is nothing like this song, to take you down to the dark dark places of human suffering, and how one could wish death for themselves ...

http://www.youtube.com/embed/WM8bTdBs-cw

Do you really want to keep Johnny alive? Why?

For your sake Cap'n, I truly hope you don't have to 'live' (if you can call it that), via the preservation of machines. Even if you had some lower brain function, etc., it's not going to really be life. Couldn't you also argue that God wants to take you, and that people and your own selfish desire to cling to a life in the world that doesn't matter, is getting in the way of his true designs?

I'm happy Brittany got to complete her bucket list, and died on her terms, instead of the diseases. Tragic that someone in the prime of their life should have to go so soon. If God cannot forgive her, if it really is a great transgression, then I don't think God is as loving as I would wish. Bring on the eternal damnation for me, I suppose. ;) As a living being, you made me seek to avoid pain, and seek out the best for me and those around me. Just at what game are you playing, if I have to take on faith, that extending my life beyond reasonable use to myself or anyone, is your true desire?

I was going to call this the "Conservative Thread of the Year," but what Captain Howdy has said here would sicken the top 90% of conservatives.

Let me make my self clear.

You all have the right to die, or kill your self.

You don't have the right to ask me to bake a cake and watch.

CaptainShuddup says

Let me make my self clear.

You all have the right to die, or kill your self.

You don't have the right to ask me to bake a cake and watch.

Nobody is asking you to. You are the one making that choice and hopelessly contradicting yourself in the process.

How so?

CaptainShuddup says

They have that freedom now, that is their personal freedom. Any assistance should be considered murder no matter how well intentioned.

Though if they didn't make a public spectacle out of the episode, then who's to claim it was other than suicide.

I certainly don't want to see a situation where these people post their right to suicide stories and we're supposed to follow them like we're watching a moma elephant pull a baby elephant out of the dirt video on Youtube.

There's no honor in that, just handle your business if you're ready to cash out.

I see. So it's wrong to be able to get a few pills from your doctor but feel free to slash your own wrists in the bathtub or jump off the nearest bridge. Is that about right?

CaptainShuddup says

How so?

You're making a song and dance about it, so you have chosen to follow it. Nobody put a gun to your head, did they? And you've been constantly banging on about people's freedoms, but are outraged at the possibility that the government can make it legal for someone to choose to end their own life with a few pills that they willingly seek out from their local doctor. Such an outrage! Such an infringement of err, umm...

CaptainShuddup says

Let me make my self clear.

You all have the right to die, or kill your self.

You don't have the right to ask me to bake a cake and watch.

What if I can no longer kill myself, yet you/the state, is keeping me alive? Now what?

Also, you are going to tell me that if one of your family members was going to suffer and die a long slow death, you wouldn't want to find them the most humane way to go possible? I think you would. I bet enough suffering could get you to move to a state that would allow physician assisted suicide too.

CaptainShuddup says

How so?

Because it was her choice, absolutely none of your business. Who gave you the right to pass judgement? Ignorant and proud of it isn't an excuse.

Bigsby says

I see. So it's wrong to be able to get a few pills from your doctor but feel free to slash your own wrists in the bathtub or jump off the nearest bridge. Is that about right?

The doctor gives everybody pills that will kill you for every ailment known to man.
Do we need a "Special" pill?

CaptainShuddup says

The doctor gives everybody pills that will kill you for ailment ailment known to man.

Do we need a "Special" pill?

What are you blathering on about now? Do you roll around in the mud and scream to the sky when you get sick?

CaptainShuddup says

Let me make my self clear.

You all have the right to die, or kill your self.

You don't have the right to ask me to bake a cake and watch.

Why don't you call in a crew with some post-hole diggers and a hoist, for help in moving those goalposts?

I am still trying to understand what the Captain is trying to say??

Here's the problem I have with this.... It's the idea that suicide is a death of dignity. Well, what about people who fight a disease with every ounce of will they have? Is their death "undignified," somehow?

I knew a guy who in his late thirties was diagnosed with some hideous form of bile duct cancer and given six months to live. He was a warrior who managed to survive for four more years. His death was a foregone conclusion, but he had three little kids (two were babies at the time of his diagnosis), and he desperately wanted some time with them. He suffered through some terrible treatments and hoped for a miracle. He couldn't be cured, but his kids got a chance for a few brief years with their dad... A chance they wouldn't have had if he hadn't fought.

To each her own, but here's what I do know... 1) Miracles sometimes happen; 2) You never know what tomorrow might bring. If you haven't the will and you haven't the hope then you will never know what's possible. JMHO.

turtledove says

Here's the problem I have with this.... It's the idea that suicide is a death of dignity. Well, what about people who fight a disease with every ounce of will they have? Is their death "undignified," somehow?

Somebody gets it. You guys are just taking some of things I said to support my stance and are taking it out of context or just making my whole statement about that. This is wrong on so many levels no one single thing is my argument nor what I am trying to say. Other than the media and social media trivializing a suicide.

So, she was a histrionic attention diva with a brain tumor. If it were contagious, I would have invited the Kardashians.

suicide of a terminally ill person in the last month of their existence under extreme pain is neither dignified or undignified.
what it is is nobody elses fuckin business.

turtledove says

It's the idea that suicide is a death of dignity. Well, what about people who fight a disease with every ounce of will they have? Is their death "undignified," somehow?

SoftShell says

suicide of a terminally ill person in the last month of their existence under extreme pain is neither dignified or undignified.

what it is is nobody elses fuckin business.

Unless they make a public flipbook out of it.

At least this person is an inspiration.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/11/03/lauren-hill-basketball/?intcmp=latestnews

turtledove says

To each her own, but here's what I do know... 1) Miracles sometimes happen; 2) You never know what tomorrow might bring. If you haven't the will and you haven't the hope then you will never know what's possible. JMHO.

It boils down to personal choices. If that woman can't handle the pain anymore and she is gonna go anyway, let her go if she wants to. If the guy in his 30's wants to hang on to be with his kids, then let him hang on.
By nature humans are pain avoiders and pleasure seekers. Let the individual make the choice. The church or the government has no right to shove their values down anyones throat. The values and beliefs the church holds is simply the opinions of men with no education from a bygone era. I don't need their help, nor do I want their help. I believe I can make better decisions on my own.

It really is that simple...

Strategist says

It boils down to personal choices. If that woman can't handle the pain anymore and she is gonna go anyway, let her go if she wants to. If the guy in his 30's wants to hang on to be with his kids, then let him hang on.

Captain, you have opened a whole new can of worms. Everyone has a strong point of view on this. Reminds me of that Shaivo case a few years ago in Florida.

P N Dr Lo R says

CaptainShuddup says

She killed her self but she's still going to Hell, where she will burn an eternal damnation.

Sad but true. This is what happens when God, the giver and taker of life, is left out of the equation. And not just she, but all who reject Christ. I remember after my cousin Doris (1922-2006) died, we were talking about some of her "Doris-isms" and her granddaughter told about when she introduced one of her Jewish college friends to her and she later said "she seemed like a nice girl, it's a shame she's going to hell."

Does stupidity run in your family?

CaptainShuddup says

She killed her self but she's still going to Hell, where she will burn an eternal damnation.

This is why Christianity is utterly evil. Christians believe in a vile, despicable, evil god that would commit an act far more immoral than anything the character of Satan had done.

That's right, even Satan worshipers have a morally superior god.

CaptainShuddup says

She didn't didn't need to make a political dog and pony show out of it. Nobody goes to jail if she commits suicide, it was totally pointless what she played out in the media.

People, including Jack Kevorkian, have gone to jail for assisting others in euthanasia. That's why this case is most certainly worthy of media coverage.

If you want to debate the morality of euthanasia and suicide, open a thread. I'll gladly take the pro-euthanasia side.

If you want to debate whether or not euthanasia should be legal, again open a thread. I'll gladly take the pro-euthanasia side.

In either debate, I'll kick your ass as there are no merits for the other side.

CaptainShuddup says

Good riddance asshole.

It is an utterly despicable comment to call this woman an asshole for dying with dignity and minimizing her pain. Your comment speaks volume of you and nothing of her.

Dan8267 says

CaptainShuddup says

She killed her self but she's still going to Hell, where she will burn an eternal damnation.

This is why Christianity is utterly evil. Christians believe in a vile, despicable, evil god that would commit an act far more immoral than anything the character of Satan had done.

My stuff goes way over your heads, or you just stop reading when your button gets pushed. I guess that's why you guys all cut and paste content out of context. I was comparing the whole right to die with dignity argument to pose the question. That if there is no God, and there are no consequences for what you do in your life in the hereafter. Then why does anyone need the court's opinion or approval to end their life?

This isn't Rome, you don't get excommunicated, you still get to have a funeral, your corpse isn't abused. The cops aren't going to haul you down to the station and book you and throw you in a cell before the corner comes for the body.

No body thought undignified thoughts about Don Cornelius. Nobody even knew he had cancer. I was relived to hear at least it wasn't depression.

CaptainShuddup says

My stuff goes way over your heads

Perhaps if you improved your writing skills.

Start here.

Cut the Captain some slack. I think he was dealing with some cognitive dossonance over the whole global warming thing.

He's in a very conflicted state right now. Because on the one hand he's excited about how the republicans are going to win tomorrow. But at the same time, on some deep level he knows this is bad for the country.

Hence his cranky old codger mood. He dealing with some very deep conflict over the fact that not only is he going to vote against his own interests tomorrow, he's been acting all proud about it, and saying "in your face liberals" as if liberals really existed anymore.

CaptainShuddup says

My stuff goes way over your heads

No.

It goes under our butts.