« First « Previous Comments 38 - 77 of 148 Next » Last » Search these comments
The bottomline is that islam is the only religion ( unique) which has its primary holy books like quran having legal system ( sharia) and political framework ( sunna) mixed up with religion.
Yes - they are a special devil. As are all the previous devils.
Due to his own original special nature, the Jew cannot possess a religious institution, if for no other reason because he lacks idealism in any form, and hence belief in a hereafter is absolutely foreign to him.
And a religion in the Aryan sense cannot be imagined which lacks the conviction of survival after death in some form.
Indeed, the Talmud is not a book to prepare a man for the hereafter, but only for a practical and profitable life in this world.
-- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
Due to his own original special nature, the Jew cannot possess a religious institution, if for no other reason because he lacks idealism in any form, and hence belief in a hereafter is absolutely foreign to him.
And a religion in the Aryan sense cannot be imagined which lacks the conviction of survival after death in some form.
Indeed, the Talmud is not a book to prepare a man for the hereafter, but only for a practical and profitable life in this world.-- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
India is a relatively non-violent country that has integrated people from several religions and cultures, including Jews and yet they still have difficulty with insurgent muslims who have questionable loyalties.
Indian muslims cheer when pakistan beats India in cricket even if they have been in the country for centuries because they are muslims first and indians second. Irish, Japanese Chinese and Italians are most definitely different from that perspective
Not sure what the mein kampf post was about.
because they are muslims first and indians second
Hitler says the same about Jews: they never adopt the nationality of countries they inhabit.
I'll dig up my copy of Mein Kampf later. It is in my storage locker.
i don't think bible has a chapter on setting up a government.
There is no religious hindu text which talks about governance.
you need to look closer, its loaded with governmental objectives. Chock full, in fact.
I'm still trying to recall those incidents where Irish, Italians , Chinese and Japanese people funded terrorism in their native countries. I'm still trying to remember when Japanese people went back to Japan during WWII to become kamikaze fighters or those who openly expressed great delight in pearl harbor. Which Irish and Italians killed in the name of religion, with the exception of the IRA in Northern Ireland? Chinese spies are a tad bit more 'terrorist' than their Indian counterparts in this country but nowhere near the threat of the 1% of radicals in the name of Islam. The 99% of moderate muslims defer to them.
In all seriousness, any links to the latter from anyone else to the contrary would be greatly appreciated
The hundreds of thousands of young Muslim men invading Europe aren't refugees. They're an invading army. Country after country has had to close its borders to them after the tide of looting burning rapists came through terrorizing their citizens. This army might not have guns, but anyone who thinks that doesn't make them dangerous is a fool. Their most tolerant and well-meaning mission is to settle in Europe, get as many wives from the local population as possible, and breed like lemmings until they've displaced the locals. Then they'll be in a position to write whatever laws they desire. It's just a matter of 25 years or so and they'll be the clear majority. This invasion has been planned for a while and it's taking place now. European leaders are complicit. They know what they are doing and they know why. Europe will fall not to the crash and boom of guns and bombs, but to the sound of a baby crying and the static wail from a minorette. All this will be accomplished in the name of that great sacred cow "multiculturalism."
with the exception of the IRA in Northern Ireland
the IRA does not kill for religious reasons at all. they don't care if you become catholic or not.
they simply want to unify their own country and get equal rights. that said, it's a horrible disaster for their cause that they ever set off bombs to kill civilians.
Hitler says the same about Jews: they never adopt the nationality of countries they inhabit.
jews do resist assimilation (not all that successfully lately). but what they do not do is:
1. attempt to impose jewish religious law on everyone
2. murder you if you use freedom of speech to criticise them
3. murder you if you leave judaism
4. deliberately murder random civilians in their host countries
There's a reason the water bastard isn't taken seriously. He's impervious to common sense!
22% of Syrians call ISIL/Daesh "a positive influence." Could we please at least exclude those 22%, even if they say it's their religion?
These refugees that you are so afraid of are mostly widows and children who's loved ones were murdered by ISIS or other violence in the area. They are subject to 18 months of scrutiny before they are let in. There have been zero arrests of refugees for terrorism in the US since 2001. Time to put the goblet of fear and loathing away.
jews do resist assimilation (not all that successfully lately). but what they do not do is:
1. attempt to impose jewish religious law on everyone
2. murder you if you use freedom of speech to criticise them
3. murder you if you leave judaism
4. deliberately murder random civilians in their host countries
So, why did most Americans want to prevent immigration of refugees from Hitler's regime? In particular, they didn't want to take the Jews. Here's snope's take on it if you don't trust the social media posts RE the Harvard Crimson poll: http://www.snopes.com/2015/11/17/harvard-crimson-jewish-refugees/.
The hundreds of thousands of young Muslim men invading Europe aren't refugees. They're an invading army.
Does this gem come from your own head or some sort of fear-based news program?
Does this gem come from your own head or some sort of fear-based news program?
It comes straight from the blood of the victims in Paris. You should be ashamed of your smug attempts of downplaying this violence.
It comes straight from the blood of the victims in Paris. You should be ashamed of your smug attempts of downplaying this violence.
Perhaps you should be ashamed of inferring meaning from blood. What are you going to read next, the tea leaves? Does calling me smug make you feel better about your fearful position?
Rough cut plan...
0- Surround isis held territory with massive NATO forces to contain them and make it impossible for them to escape.
1- create refugee cities in syria/iraq
2- Heavily fortify them with NATO forces, 100,000 or so, making it impossible for isis to penetrate
3- redirect all refugees to these places. Vet each one as much as possible to minimize the amount of sleeper cells.
4- Have the world contribute to food/water/shelter to keep the place going indefinitely.
5- Set a date to which refugees must evacuate isis held areas
6- Bring in the b52's and level the places to the ground.
7- Send in NATO ground troops to clean up the survivors.
8- Have the refugees rebuild and restock the land
9- Rinse and repeat until the majority wake up and enter the 21st century.
22% of Syrians call ISIL/Daesh "a positive influence." Could we please at least exclude those 22%, even if they say it's their religion?
I would guess it's even high because the poll probably didn't sample as many Syrians from the East of the country, due to ISIS control, where Sunni Islam dominates and hatred of Alawites, Kurds, and Shi'a is more prevalent.
These refugees that you are so afraid of are mostly widows and children who's loved ones were murdered by ISIS or other violence in the area. They are subject to 18 months of scrutiny before they are let in. There have been zero arrests of refugees for terrorism in the US since 2001. Time to put the goblet of fear and loathing away.
They are overwhelmingly young men, and many of them are married and left their wives and children in MENA. Also, a huge number are non-Syrians pretending to be Syrian, by ditching their own passports in the sea. Authorities are reporting hilarious cases of black-as-midnight Eritreans and Somalis claiming to be Syrian. Multiple Copies of one of the Paris attackers' fake passport, same name and personal information but different photo, have been found in Europe in the hands of other migrants.
Like I said earlier - sending young British Males to South America 1939-1945 would contribute to an Allied Loss, not a Victory. Why accept young male Syrians?
They are overwhelmingly young men, and many of them are married and left their wives and children in MENA.
Well, perhaps that is true of the refugees he is afraid of, but for all of the refugees in general, it is not true. Of those, 38% are under 12, and the slight majority are female.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/stretching-facts-on-syrian-refugees/
Well, perhaps that is true of the refugees he is afraid of, but for all of the refugees in general, it is not true. Of those, 38% are under 12, and the slight majority are female.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/stretching-facts-on-syrian-refugees/
That is all refugees registered by the UNHCR. In other words, that counts all those living in Jordanese and Turkish and Lebanese Refugee Camps, it is not a count of the people streaming into Europe.
Where da women and children at?
Luegenpresse!
Don't know. But that picture doesn't necessarily represent the 10,000 Obama wants to bring in. If it does (I doubt it), I'll change my opinion.
There have been zero arrests of refugees for terrorism in the US since 2001.
What is your source for that assertion? I have read of three cases, and I don't presume to know of most, let alone all. Furthermore, calling ISIL/Daesh "a positive influence" is not an arrestable offense, even though it suggests an alarming risk level.
Plenty of refugees get involved with Terror, like Mohamed Osman Mohamud.
Not to mention all the terror cases that aren't called terror, like Muhammad Abdulaziz .
And of course the Boston Bombers, also Refugees. Multiple US authorities knew all about their radicalism, but figured they were more of a threat to Russia and didn't bother tracking them closely.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/28/us/tsarnaev-boston-bombing-sentencing/
Gary's favorite Newspaper - note the Sandy Hook Conspiracy headline. Found in the Brothers' apartment, well thumbed.
That is all refugees registered by the UNHCR. In other words, that counts all those living in Jordanese and Turkish and Lebanese Refugee Camps, it is not a count of the people streaming into Europe.
Where da women and children at?
Luegenpresse!
Come on--you're better than that. You're implying that actual statistics of the demographics of refugees is less reliable than a picture of a group of males??
Come on--you're better than that. You're implying that actual statistics of the demographics of refugees is less reliable than a picture of a group of males??
YesYNot is quoting the numbers of people in refugee camps. NOT the numbers of migrants entering Europe. I think I made that clear in my response.
The number of adults migrating into Europe is overwhelmingly, stunningly male by a wide margin.
http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.php
And half are NOT Syrians.
YesYNot is quoting the numbers of people in refugee camps. NOT the numbers of migrants entering Europe. I think I made that clear in my response.
The number of adults migrating into Europe is overwhelmingly, stunningly male by a wide margin.
http://data.unhcr.org/mediterranean/regional.php
And half are NOT Syrians.
You did--but your only counter argument was a picture. The link you provided is much more convincing.
There have been zero arrests of refugees for terrorism in the US since 2001.
What is your source for that assertion? I have read of three cases, and I don't presume to know of most, let alone all. Furthermore, calling ISIL/Daesh "a positive influence" is not an arrestable offense, even though it suggests an alarming risk level.
http://www.cato.org/blog/syrian-refugees-dont-pose-serious-security-threat
Name one person who has actually done that. Remarkable misdirection!
Calling someone's justified concern about the well-being of their family and loved-ones after the paris attacks and the history over the past years a fear-based program qualifies for me. We all know that the narrative is false that the refugees don't pose a threat. Patrick.net is full of posts and proof indicating otherwise. Now we can talk and speculate about how big of a security risk that is, but to say there is none is a blatant lie. I think careful vetting, letting in women and children only and possibly Christians (though this is of course hard to verify and can be spoofed) may be a decent middle-ground.
Here's another source that claims zero terrorist attacks by refugees admitted to the US.
Here's another source that claims zero terrorist attacks by refugees admitted to the US.
It's not a source, it's a study of violence surrounding refugee camps.
Another Quickly, quickly, quickly, take in the refugees. No vetting, no triage, let them in fast!!!
Another Quickly, quickly, quickly, take in the refugees. No vetting, no triage, let them in fast!!!
No one is asking to skip the vetting process or even to do things quickly.
No one is asking to skip the vetting process or even to do things quickly.
The vetting process is a joke. You get official records by bribing officials, which is how most official documentation in Third World Countries are created. There is no way to tell fake from real because both are done in the Government Office by the people who make the "real" documentations, on the same stationary with the same stamps.
Yup.
The only reasonable strategy is to take in the women and children lowering the overall risk, and send the men back to fight for their country.
The vetting process is a joke.
because they are muslims first and indians second
Hitler says the same about Jews: they never adopt the nationality of countries they inhabit.
I'll dig up my copy of Mein Kampf later. It is in my storage locker.
Hydro, there is no difference between Islam and Hitler. They say and act the same.
Hitler started WW2, Islam started WW3. The difference..... Hitler had friends, Islam has no friends.
The only reasonable strategy is to take in the women and children lowering the overall risk, and send the men back to fight for their country.
You think they won't just send in the women and children with strap-on bombs? I think there is a verse about that in the Koh-ran.
Lowers the risk...does not eliminate it...
You think they won't just send in the women and children with strap-on bombs? I think there is a verse about that in the Koh-ran
No one is asking to skip the vetting process or even to do things quickly.
How would you even vet for such a thing? Criminals of all kinds surprise people with their actions.... "He was always a quiet young man. Never played loud music. Always polite." You cannot really know what's going on in someone's head. A radical fundamentalist doesn't have to admit to being such on his tourist visa application. Unless a person is a well-known higher-up in the terrorist organization, would we really be able to find out which "little guys" attended meetings and subscribe to fundamentalist beliefs? Do they keep attendance records when they hold their meetings in caves? Even for the moms and children... You don't know what those mommas are teaching their kids. How would you vet for that? Osama was once a little boy. The desire to remove oneself from a dangerous place to one that is safe is pretty basic need for a mother with children. That doesn't mean that they are going to check their beliefs at the border.
The only reasonable strategy is to take in the women and children lowering the overall risk, and send the men back to fight for their country.
You think they won't just send in the women and children with strap-on bombs? I think there is a verse about that in the Koh-ran.
Muslims are preached to love their Prophet more than their children. They can be sacrificed.
would we really be able to find out which "little guys" attended meetings and subscribe to fundamentalist beliefs?
Worse. What about those that sympathize from afar, but are never directly involved in organized activity? All it takes is once for somebody to surprise us with criminal actions.
doesn't mean that they are going to check their beliefs at the border.
Forget The Other. I know plenty of people that live right in my own city and work in my very own office that barely conceal their beliefs specific to their racial, ethnic, 3rd-generation-nationality, indeed, even *individual* experience, that they will spend a lifetime Not Checking at the Door, let alone any border.
"The Danish Infidels took my 40-year old husband away. I, Aisha, 14 years old of the Bakalaka Clan, vow revenge. I will name my son Mua'dib Al-Lisan Al-Grozny, he will terrorize these disgusting Shirk apes! He will be raised with the knife! We will take their money and their disgusting oatmeal food, fit for only camels and monkeys, and rise up with the righteousness of God against these destroyers of Holy Sanctified Marriage and Goodness! What filth they make me go through, to declare my Legal Islamic Marriage haram under the false Crusader Ape Pig Law by those who add Gods to God to 40-year old Mohammed Al-Baldy as his second wife, as performed by Imam Bakaklakadaka and the approval of my Mother, Father, Grandmother, and Aunt Dirkadirka!"
Danish....
I couldn't find a source for that but found this instead: "Danish girl, 15, and her Muslim boyfriend, 29, stab her mother to death after watching Islamic State beheading videos"
How would you even vet for such a thing? Criminals of all kinds surprise people with their actions.... "He was always a quiet young man. Never played loud music. Always polite." You cannot really know what's going on in someone's head. A radical fundamentalist doesn't have to admit to being such on his tourist visa application. Unless a person is a well-known higher-up in the terrorist organization, would we really be able to find out which "little guys" attended meetings and subscribe to fundamentalist beliefs? Do they keep attendance records when they hold their meetings in caves? Even for the moms and children... You don't know what those mommas are teaching their kids. How would you vet for that? Osama was once a little boy. The desire to remove oneself from a dangerous place to one that is safe is pretty basic need for a mother with children. That doesn't mean that they are going to check their beliefs at the border.
The process was explained in some source or other I posted over the last couple of days. It's not perfect of course. But according to the sources I've found no one who has gone through the process has committed any terrorist act in the US. We let 60,000 to 70,000 refugees into the US every year. http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/refugees-fact-sheet
Here's a page that discusses Syrian refugees. http://www.vox.com/explainers/2015/11/16/9745318/syrian-refugees-us-isis
Looks like the House agrees with you.
http://www.vox.com/2015/11/19/9762054/congress-obama-refugees-syria
I would imagine that once in the US, these people would be watched carefully rather than just dumped in and forgotten about.
according to the sources I've found...I would imagine
There's your problem. Anybody on the Interwebs can find sources (often driven by advocacy) they want to believe, and then imagine what they want to imagine. For example, a guy from HRW (an organization that I respect) claimed (falsely), "There’s 70,000 refugees coming to the United States every year, and not a single one has been involved in a terrorist incident." His claim had already been proven definitely false, beyond a reasonable doubt, but that didn't stop him from saying it. Thunderlips11 listed examples, and as I said before I've read of more. At some point, you have to engage critical analysis and judgment. Otherwise you end up like bgamall with his conspiracy theories, or partisans/sectarians who live in almost equally unreal parallel universes. Of course bgamall might say the dead and injured are all actors, and the arrests are fake or baseless, but his repeating it doesn't make it so. There have definitely been cases of Muslim refugees engaging in terrorism in the USA, including arrests and fatalities.
Here are two more for you:
"Former Iraqi Terrorists Living in Kentucky Sentenced for Terrorist Activities "
These are actual cases, convicted after being proved beyond a reasonable doubt. The fact that some advocates continue saying it's never happened shows those advocates cannot be trusted: they are either ignorant or lying.
In fact, even your own linked source acknowledges arrests and convictions, which makes me wonder why you stuck by your claim:
There have been zero arrests of refugees for terrorism in the US since 2001.
What is your source for that assertion? I have read of three cases, and I don't presume to know of most, let alone all. Furthermore, calling ISIL/Daesh "a positive influence" is not an arrestable offense, even though it suggests an alarming risk level.
http://www.cato.org/blog/syrian-refugees-dont-pose-serious-security-threat
That link says that "three have been convicted of planning terrorist attacks...." You said zero, and cited as your source a document that says three. Thunderlips11 and I have listed at least five, and neither of us claims to know of every example.
« First « Previous Comments 38 - 77 of 148 Next » Last » Search these comments
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/11/world/middleeast/obama-directs-administration-to-accept-10000-syrian-refugees.html
sorry, but this is unacceptable. islam is utterly incompatible with democracy, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion.
sure, only 10% of them really really want to kill us, but that's still 1,000 people.
aid them somewhere else, just don't bring them here!