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I get it that left are soft and always complain about America ... that's fine, but Dear Lord.. You guys need to leave to Nordic country or join Iceland Pirate party ...

You have never had it better in this country ... all of you on this site and you cry every day

Spend the next 15 years tearing your false economic theories apart piece by piece

HydroCabron says

Have you considered automating your posts, so you can watch Teletubbies all day instead of typing the same blurbs over and over?

Have you ever considered considering any of them?

Logan Mohtashami says

This is your structural economy problem

Nope--this is the structural problem:

tatupu70 says

See I just needed you to speak more to show you're no different that you're right wing economic thinkers

LPR right from the 1990's were designed to fall in this century not one person I know of in the world I knew off every disagreed with this and it's the call cry for Anti American Left and Right

And once you break the data down

Prime age labor force 25-54 only missing 2.8 Million Americans from the peak of the last cycle

This assume that all these Americans Want to work which they have stated they don't

You're so desperate to push your Anti American non sense economic theories without actually reading the data first

2nd... $$$ hoarded at the top and yet nominal wages and working Americans are at peak levels .. This is what is wrong with the structural of the economy

High School Drop outs aren't buying homes in CA and this is going to be solved how

Anti Capitalist .... the few last remaining Grand children Marx ... sitting their homes ripping Capitalism apart and yet America sits on top of the world as the best domestic economy

100% off the rails here ...

And some more for you.

You should complain about America, if the extreme left was cheering for America with the extreme right then I know something is right

That is why we have extremes

Never, ever happy, the world is awful always, no credit and 100% blame

Get over it ... we are the best in the world and nobody does it better than us

Team Logan with 4

Where are your Bears to join TDS????

tatupu70 says

Now you're using 2012 Data let me refresh you

Logan Mohtashami says

See I just needed you to speak more to show you're no different that you're right wing economic thinkers

LPR right from the 1990's were designed to fall in this century not one person I know of in the world I knew off every disagreed with this and it's the call cry for Anti American Left and Right

And once you break the data down

Prime age labor force 25-54 only missing 2.8 Million Americans from the peak of the last cycle

This assume that all these Americans Want to work which they have stated they don't

I actually agree that some of this is due to demographics. Not all though.

You're funny that you mention that some people now don't want to work, but somehow forget that there were people in the last cycle that also didn't want work. And "only" 2.8 millions Americans? That may not seem like a lot to you, but I'm sure that 2.8 million people would disagree with you.

Logan Mohtashami says

You're so desperate to push your Anti American non sense economic theories without actually reading the data first

2nd... $$$ hoarded at the top and yet nominal wages and working Americans are at peak levels .. This is what is wrong with the structural of the economy

High School Drop outs aren't buying homes in CA and this is going to be solved how

Anti Capitalist .... the few last remaining Grand children Marx ... sitting their homes ripping Capitalism apart and yet America sits on top of the world as the best domestic economy

100% off the rails here ...

Nope--I'm on the rails. Look at the % disabled. Why don't you look at that percentage over time and see how it correlates with a poor economy.

tatupu70 says

You're taking the 70's misery Index high, inflation and right before our prime age labor peak boom and you're trying to show that as your thesis

So you want high unemployment but stronger wages, Black Plague thesis

tatupu70 says

Look at the % disabled. Why don't you look at that percentage over time and see how it correlates with a poor economy.

154 million working Americans and you're trying to push you're Anti American Agenda due to people collecting disability now

Logan Mohtashami says

You should complain about America, if the extreme left was cheering for America with the extreme right then I know something is right

That is why we have extremes

Never, ever happy, the world is awful always, no credit and 100% blame

Get over it ... we are the best in the world and nobody does it better than us

Team Logan with 4

Where are your Bears to join TDS????

Logan-I am 100% optimist. Once again you are trying to build a strawman instead of actually discussing the topic at hand..

Logan Mohtashami says

154 million working Americans and you're trying to push you're Anti American Agenda due to people collecting disability now

How is pointing out issues with the US economy and desiring to get them fixed Anti American?

You sound like the idiots that told me speaking out against the Iraq War was Anti American.

tatupu70 says

Logan-I am 100% optimist

Yes because 1929 and Serfs comments means you're optimist

You're not versed in economics nor the data nor how to explain, so you're Anti American thesis is a rookie calling card

1929 and Serfs ... bears nothing to America in 2016

Logan Mohtashami says

You're taking the 70's misery Index high, inflation and right before our prime age labor peak boom and you're trying to show that as your thesis

So you want high unemployment but stronger wages, Black Plague thesis

wtf are you talking about? I want LOW unemployment. And high wages. I want the US to have the best economy in the world.

That's why I want to get this shit fixed.

tatupu70 says

You sound like the idiots that told me speaking out against the Iraq War was Anti American.

We are talking economics not the war in Iraq

Stick to theme

1929 and Serfs

Logan Mohtashami says

Yes because 1929 and Serfs comments means you're optimist

You're not versed in economics nor the data nor how to explain, so you're Anti American thesis is a rookie calling card

1929 and Serfs ... bears nothing to America in 2016

Logan--I've forgotten more about economics than you have ever learned. There's a big difference between posting a graph and understanding what it means. You have mastered the former, but have a long way to go on the latter.

tatupu70 says

I want the US to have the best economy in the world.

It already does and for a mature economy with scale as well

The way you're talking about America is describing European Economies and South American economies

tatupu70 says

There's a big difference between posting a graph and understanding what it means

Says the lady who tried to post a 2012 Median Income chart.

Logan Mohtashami says

We are talking economics not the war in Iraq

Stick to theme

1929 and Serfs

You're hilarious. You keep trying to bring it back to your strawman. Give it up buddy. You're done.

Just post a picture of yourself smoking a cigar and go outside with your wife. Enjoy.

If Americans were as broke and weak as you claim them to be

No way on earth in a light demographic patch cycle retail sales, car sales and home sales would be at or near cycle highs

Not even close

Logan Mohtashami says

The way you're talking about America is describing European Economies and South American economies

I'm posting facts. It is what it is. If you don't like it, vote people in to office that will change the laws.

tatupu70 says

I'm posting facts. It is what it is. If you don't like it, vote people in to office that will change the laws.

Logan Mohtashami says

If Americans were as broke and weak as you claim them to be

No way on earth in a light demographic patch cycle retail sales, car sales and home sales would be at or near cycle highs

Not even close

#1--who claims cycle highs? That is meaningless. You could look at almost any data in 1932 and it would be at cycle highs. Does that mean the Great Depression was over?

tatupu70 says

How is pointing out issues with the US economy and desiring to get them fixed Anti American?

It is when "leftists" do it.

When rightist/Christianists do the same thing, plus complain about gays, U.S. immigration policy, bathroom fears, steel mills closing, narrower airline seats, and traffic lights, blus being unable to say "nigger", and how America ain't white enough, it's patriotic.

tatupu70 says

That is meaningless

See--that fact that you would post this makes me think you can't read it at all. Industrial production has stopped growing.

Retail sales cannot get back to the trendline from the last 70 years. Looks like a classic structural defect.

The slop of real income is clearly getting smaller. And it's misleading anyway because it doesn't account for the inequality.

If you understood what these charts are saying, you wouldn't have posted them. They don't support your thesis.

Logan Mohtashami says

They don't support your thesis.

You're heart is in the right place, your logic isn't.

Then again I am not the person who brought up 1929, Serfs or structural economic problems in the best domestic economy by far in the history of the world in 2016 for a mature country with a massive population.

I am not going to change your mind

Extreme Left & Extreme Right are part of society, Demagogues are very common and since 1790... rooted deep in our history

If we don't have them , then that is something truly to be mindful off

Logan Mohtashami says

Then again I am not the person who brought up 1929

I'm sorry you can't read a simple chart. Look at the inequality charts and tell me you don't see a similarity between now and 1929.

tatupu70 says

I'm sorry you can't read a simple chart. Look at the inequality charts and tell me you don't see a similarity between now and 1929.

Like I said I am not the drama queen trying to create a false narrative thesis to America 2016 to America 1929

However, if you really believe in this thesis

You should join your Gold Bug friends, buy ammo, food and supplies and wait for the 2nd Great Depression because the Serfs as Marx wanted will revolt and we will have a bloody Russian Sunday

Logan Mohtashami says

Like I said I am not the drama queen trying to create a false narrative thesis to America 2016 to America 1929

No--you're the guy that calls me Anti American because I think the US economy has some flaws.

I'll ask again--do you see the similarity in income and wealth inequality between 2016 and 1929?

tatupu70 says

US economy has some flaws

Having flaws

Comparing American 2016 to 1929 and saying the word serfs = Drama Queen... which is very normal for the extreme left, you're basically following the standard core routine

Probably a Zero Hedge reader soon

tatupu70 says

wealth inequality between 2016 and 1929?

Complete 2 different times for wealth and Inequity due to massive shift in demographic, it's no where close to the same, not even in the same universe

Listened to the Bears and got my ass handed to me in 2009 through 2012. Fuck them. Got back on saddle and having a field day. Gold bugs and bears have one thing in common. Prosperity scares them. It always is a BUBBLE for them.

HadEnough says

Listened to the Bears and got my ass handed to me in 2009 through 2012. Fuck them. Got back on saddle and having a field day. Gold bugs and bears have one thing in common. Prosperity scares them. It always is a BUBBLE for them.

Ahh just by that sentence structure I know who this is ...

Logan Mohtashami says

Complete 2 different times for wealth and Inequity due to massive shift in demographic, it's no where close to the same, not even in the same universe

What does the demographics have to do with wealth inequality? What about the demographics is different and why does it allow the economy to function well at extreme inequality levels? Here's your chance to change my mind.

I wasn't a bear in 2009. I was one of the few arguing that the worst was over and the economy would be growing.

I'm not even a bear now really. I just see the structural problems and want them fixed.

I'm the one arguing against all the idiots that say everything is in a bubble. And everything is a Ponzi scheme.

Don't you dare lump me in with them.

Nope bro. We haven't met or spoken. But I have been following zero hedge, doctor housing bubble for a while and have formed my own. conclusion on few topics. I now visit zerohedge for comedic relief when I am drinking or when I get rejected by a Heffer at some random bar. . Logan Mohtashami says

Ahh just by that sentence structure I know who this is .

tatupu70 says

What does the demographics have to do with wealth inequality

As a demographic guy myself, we stick to thesis and principal, when you have very old and very young demographic shift gaps and then have Gen X clobbered by the housing crisis you have a spread gap like this.

Nothing like 1929, our economy is so much more diverse, efficient and we are more productive as a country compared to 1929

HadEnough says

zerohedge for comedic relie

Yes, its always good for a laugh

tatupu70 says

Don't you dare lump me in with them.

Fine nixed from that group ;-)

I am not lumping anyone in particular. Just sick and tired of people too focused on doom and gloom. If it will get that bad as zero hedgers proclaim then I will deal with it then which I don't think will ever occur. Till then I am counting the blessings and doing the best I have in last few years. I am genX and unlike boomers I have faith in the upcoming generation. Makes it a much worthwhile to invest in my business. tatupu70 says

Don't you dare lump me in with them.