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dodgerfanjohn says

A fair reading of Trumps statement in context makes it clear that Trump was speaking about people illegally entering the US or illegally overstaying their visa's.

I remember hearing Trump's words live. I drew the same conclusion Kahn did without any editorializing from the media. Lots of people see it that way. Lots of people don't. So, let the guy have his say, and be done with it.

YesYNot says

dodgerfanjohn says

A fair reading of Trumps statement in context makes it clear that Trump was speaking about people illegally entering the US or illegally overstaying their visa's.

I remember hearing Trump's words live. I drew the same conclusion Kahn did without any editorializing from the media. Lots of people see it that way. Lots of people don't. So, let the guy have his say, and be done with it.

Yeah, ok, lets just go with your on the spot reaction rather than an actual transcript. Say Toby, werent you the guy acusing me of thinking with my feelings? Lets go back to Trumps actual statement and go ahead and try to find the part thats racist:

“When Mexico (meaning the Mexican Government) sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you (pointing to the audience). They’re not sending you (pointing again). They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing drugs.They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people! But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting. And it only makes common sense. They’re sending us not the right people. It’s coming from more than Mexico. It’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably from the Middle East. But we don’t know. Because we have no protection and we have no competence, we don’t know what’s happening. And it’s got to stop and it’s got to stop fast.”
What can be simpler or more accurately stated? The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc. This was evident just this week when, as an example, a young woman in San Francisco was viciously killed by a 5 time deported Mexican with a long criminal record, who was forced back into the United States because they didn’t want him in Mexico. This is merely one of thousands of similar incidents throughout the United States. In other words, the worst elements in Mexico are being pushed into the United States by the Mexican
government. The largest suppliers of heroin, cocaine and other illicit drugs are Mexican cartels that arrange to have Mexican immigrants trying to cross the borders and smuggle in the drugs. The Border Patrol knows this. Likewise, tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border. The United States has become a dumping ground for Mexico and, in fact, for many other parts of the world. On the other hand, many fabulous people come in from Mexico and our country is better for it. But these people are here legally, and are severely hurt by those coming in illegally. I am proud to say that I know many hard working Mexicans—many of them are working for and with me…and, just like our country, my organization is better for it.

The wrath of Khan is completely bogus and an affront for anybody with enough intellect to connect the dots, but it was nonetheless well played. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Identity politics is where it's at today with completely dumbed down, politically correct generations of (social) media drones.

dodgerfanjohn says

They’re bringing drugs.They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people!

This part.

YesYNot says

dodgerfanjohn says

They’re bringing drugs.They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people!

This part.

Since you clearly don't understand context, I'll take it you now acknowledge that Trump never actually made racist comments and therefore Mr. Khan and your comments that Mr Trump is racist are without factual basis.

https://www.google.com/search?q=definition+of+context&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
con·text
the parts of something written or spoken that immediately precede and follow a word or passage and clarify its meaning.

dodgerfanjohn says

Since you clearly don't understand context,

Ok. Are you talking about the part about mexico sending it's people? What the fuck is that about? Do you feel like that is right, or is there proof that the people coming across the border really sent by Mexico. That's ridiculous.
When trump was offered a chance to clarify his remarks, he would only say 'i said what I said,' which means he gave up his chance to explain what he meant.
Until you can explain better why what he said was factually correct and not racist, I'll just assume it just feels right to you.

Check the passport stamps. That usually tells it all...

YesYNot says

or is there proof that the people coming across the border really sent by Mexico.

Rose colored glasses.
Both aisles of zealots can't see past their nose and will experience life's offerings differently dependent on how full their tank of guilt is. (is).

YesYNot says

I drew the same conclusion Kahn did without any editorializing from the media.

Ranina ranina says

Rose colored glasses.

It was the first thing he said in announcing his campaign. No one had formed an opinion yet. Plus, it was obvious that it would start a controversy. It wasn't just a little racist. Yesterday, I watched a commentator on tv say he knew not to get between two women having an argument, and he immediately followed it by saying that Trump has gone off the reservation. The first line is clearly sexist, and the next part about the reservation was insensitive. But it was just a dumb comment. It wasn't a jaw dropping racist comment, like Trump's. When Trump was talking on the escalator, I just wanted it to be over so i could here what the commentators said about the blatant racism in prepared remarks.

General who's family has voted Republican since the Hoover administration says at the very least Trump owes the Kahn's an apology. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/02/captain-khan-s-brigade-commander-in-iraq-the-khan-family-is-our-family.html

Trump issues talking points for surrogates as he tries to pivot and blame others for Kahn-troversy.
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/290179-trump-memo-calls-for-urgent-pivot-from-khan-controversy

YesYNot says

General who's family has voted Republican since the Hoover administration says at the very least Trump owes the Kahn's an apology.

Attacking grieving parents of a military hero was a major error by Trump. He just can't STFU when he needs to.

Trump is a Billary plant, injected as part of a long term scheme to assure a 2017 democratic presidency, timed to coincide with the herd of Supremes dying off, assuring the liberal agenda remains on course for decades.
There is no other reasonable explanation, other than alzhimers or demetia on trumps part.

Strategist says

Attacking grieving parents of a military hero was a major error by Trump. He just can't STFU when he needs to.

Ok. Are you talking about the part about mexico sending it's people? What the fuck is that about? Do you feel like that is right, or is there proof that the people coming across the border really sent by Mexico. That's ridiculous.
When trump was offered a chance to clarify his remarks, he would only say 'i said what I said,' which means he gave up his chance to explain what he meant.
Until you can explain better why what he said was factually correct and not racist, I'll just assume it just feels right to you.

Ok Toby, You claimed that Khan believes Trump to be racist and you said you felt the same way after hearing Trumps speech. I posted a transcript challenging you to find the racist part. You cite one passage taken out of context. I call you on it. Your counter is to state Trump is making false statements and to acuse me of thinking with feelings?

ReallyToby?

Wait and see. The picture above will be relived once Hillary is crowned...

Why Not? Why Not? Whyyyyyyy? Whaa! Whaa! I Wanna! I Wanna! I Wanna!!!!

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/03/trump-asks-why-us-cant-use-nukes-msnbcs-joe-scarborough-reports.html

dodgerfanjohn says

ReallyToby

My counter was to try to figure out what context you were talking about because you are to lazy to make the point yourself. You share that trait with tRUMP. You can't fault me for not reading your mind.

neplusultra57 says

Why Not? Why Not? Whyyyyyyy? Whaa! Whaa! I Wanna! I Wanna! I Wanna!!!!

Trump can say anything he wants. It won't adversely affect non proliferation efforts, because trump.

Ironman says

YesYNot says

Yesterday, I watched a commentator on tv say he knew not to get between two women having an argument, and he immediately followed it by saying that Trump has gone off the reservation. The first line is clearly sexist, and the next part about the reservation was insensitive.

Really?

You think the statement "not to get between two women having an argument", is a sexist comment?

Really? For most people, specially men, it's common sense. Go ask your husband, he'll tell you.

I won't even get in the way of one woman having an argument or yelling at me.
Stick around YesY, and in no time we will make you an expert in dealing with women.

Ironman says

You think the statement "not to get between two women having an argument", is a sexist comment?

Here's your daily reply. Yes, of course it's sexist, especially in a professional environment. It's hard to imagine someone not understanding this. How can you claim to treat women equally if you refuse to engage them in a normal debate. I can just see Trump on a debate stage with Clinton and Jill Stein. Clinton and Stein engage in an interesting policy exchange on global warming and Trump uses his rebuttal to say that he knows better than to get between two women who are arguing. Oh, and then he could tell Clinton that she went to the bathroom, which is totally disgusting. Trump supporters would probably love that.
To spell things out further, when the guy said he knew better than to get between two women arguing, he implied that women are irrational beings and it's best to stay away when they go crazy. I'm half interested to see if you have a response, but think you are probably just trolling anyway.

YesYNot says

To spell things out further, when the guy said he knew better than to get between two women arguing, he implied that women are irrational beings and it's best to stay away when they go crazy. I'm half interested to see if you have a response, but think you are probably just trolling anyway.

No, he implied getting in the middle of a cat fight results in both cats attacking you.
And women can get extremely irrational, a lot more than men.

Strategist says

No, he implied getting in the middle of a cat fight results in both cats attacking you.

The women in question were in a pretty normal debate. It was a little more heated than the average exchange on tv, but well within the normal range. I think the guy was just trying to avoid answering the question.

Kahn turns the knife. Says McCain is a hero of his. Sent McCain's book to son: http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/khizr-khan-donald-trump-john-mccain/

The reason why women don't usually argue with each other is that a woman can never admit to being wrong. Since neither woman can ever be wrong, they must sidestep the point of contention and use other people as cat's paws to debate the issue. If they ever openly argue,then the only method of resolution is death.

Quigley says

The reason why women don't usually argue with each other is that a woman can never admit to being wrong

Are you saying Trump is a woman ?

Just kidding, I get that you didn't say that this what defines a woman as a woman.

What I hate so much about these muslims - especially Pakistani muslims... is that they demand to be treated equal like everyone in a country they immigrated too but yet in the native countries which they are far more loyal too... They treat non-muslims like second-class citizens....

They treat gays and lesbians as not even human.... And transsexuals are considered to be cockroaches as well....'

They demand equality for themselves yet fail to treat others who are different with respect...

They are the biggest fucking hypocrites in existence....

I bet you if this guys son was a gay or transgender - he would be disowned by the family and they would careless if he was dead .

Robber Baron Elite Scum says

What I hate so much about these muslims - especially Pakistani muslims...

I agree. If someone is born in a country that doesn't respect human rights. That person should be treated like shit in the US. Even if they become a citizen, they should not be afforded the rights of other US citizens and should never complain about anything. That's in chapter 11 of the constitution.

http://www.infowars.com/what-the-media-isnt-reporting-about-khizr-khan/

marcus says

Are you saying Trump is a woman ?

A couple of posters here have been telling everybody he is effeminate for a while. Plus as irrational, hot tempered, and fixated on personal revenge as he is, he fits the stereotype of a woman that idiotman holds so dear.

It's official: YesYNot is a trolling schill. And also a C.U.N.T. (Can't Understand Normal Thinking)
Arguing with shim is a worthless waste of photons.

Alex Jones being the conspiracy theorist racist no morals having idiot that he is known to be.

You could believe all of the tributes to the younger Kahn written by people who served with him, or you could believe he was a spy for the ISI, b/c the Pakistani ambassador attended his funeral, and Alex Jones says that means he might have been a spy.

Quigley says

YesYNot is a trolling schill.

What's the matter. Pointing out that Trump has all of the characteristics that idiotman likes to ascribe to women get you agitated? Are you arguing that he is not hot tempered and fixated on revenge? If so, that would be a big case of cognitive dissonance.

YesYNot says

agree. If someone is born in a country that doesn't respect human rights. That person should be treated like shit in the US

Wrong. They should be treated like shit if proven to not respect the rights of others.

Muslims are to the right of the Christian Right in the US even if they are moderates.

Moderate Muslims, a.k.a. the "bad Muslims" will generally be mindful of others so long as they lack "critical mass". Still, most would willingly acquiesce to sharia if someone else is willing to fight for it on their behalf.

Proof: Europe.

Most Indian Muslims cheer for Pakistan in cricket because they are Muslim first and Indian second. They are more than willing to aid and abet terrorists, with one notable example being the shooting in Mumbai in November 2008.

As many as 1 in 4 support suicide bombing as being justified in all or some circumstances.