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marcus says

FP says

It is because the likes of them revolutions eventually happen.

It's because of the likes of you, Patrick, TPB and others that authoritarian regimes happen which then lead to the revolutions.

LOL wut? Patrick runs a forum dedicated to the freedom of speech, the absolute antithesis of authoritarianism.

Yes, say whatever you want, and don't worry at all about whether it's PC or not.

Just don't ask me to censor anyone else. Ignore them if they bother you.

rando says

The reporter and the boss have to keep an appearance of loyalty to The Narrative because they know for a fact that's what the owners of the news want.

If this were true, you'd have to make the assumption that the news companies aren't trying to make money on their own, but are considered a necessary propaganda cost by the owners. I think cable news is a big money maker. If they want to stay that way, they have to fend off challenges by upstarts like PatNet and Facebook ;). rando says

OK, so we're agreeing that he's being smeared.

I agree that he was 'smeared', but don't think it was top down across the board. I think that the story somewhat organically developed with a life of its own. That life depended on social media, Trump's response, what people wanted to hear about, and which women came out of the woodwork. Some news people probably jumped on the opportunity to take him down. Others probably covered it because they had to (it was THE story). I think Trump handled it poorly, because he lives in a bubble. He didn't let people vet him, and he doesn't listen to his advisers.

YesYNot says

I think that the story somewhat organically developed with a life of its own.

I agree with you to a point. The crowd that was looking for reasons to justify their hate of Trump were happy to be fed another reason. And the people at the top knew that.

The Deplorable DFJ says

Patrick runs a forum dedicated to the freedom of speech, the absolute antithesis of authoritarianism.

How stupid does someone have to be to think that this is an argument that people that like Trump don't have authoritarian tendencies.

Fucking dimbulb.

marcus says

The difference between you and Trump is that he doesn't really even think that

This is a good video. We've seen these clips before. It's funny to see the changes he's made over the last 8-16 years. It's hard to see how anyone can see his videos over the years and think that there is a consistent arc that doesn't involve a huge disingenuous sales pitch to get if office.

rando says

The crowd that was looking for reasons to justify their hate of Trump were happy to be fed another reason

I never trusted Trump. HIs ancient history with women didn't bother me, and I don't even believe half of it. IT's irrelevant to me.

YesYNot says

It's hard to see how anyone can see his videos over the years and think that there is a consistent arc that doesn't involve a huge disingenuous sales pitch to get if office.

Exactly. It's hard to imagine what they're thinking. I hate to say it, but I really believe it's got to be a subtle "make America white again" aspect to it that appeals to their subconscious and they don't even realize it. Well in some people's cases like DFJ he knows it, but for others they don't know. It's a sort of, "there's something I really like about this guy so much that it allows me to ignore what all common sense and reason would otherwise tell me."

rando says

The crowd that was looking for reasons to justify their hate of Trump were happy to be fed another reason. And the people at the top knew that.

True, but that's a two way street. We are very tribal by nature, and we tend to get more convinced of our viewpoint over time. I see the same thing happen with people's view of Hillary. Supporters justify things in Wikileaks and opponents jump at the slightest hint of impropriety even if it is obvious bullshit. That's the nature of the marketplace of ideas.

marcus says

How stupid does someone have to be to think that this is an argument that people that like Trump don't have authoritarian tendencies.

Fucking dimbulb.

People who like Trump??

Your thinking is completely devoid of incisiveness. Fucking pusillanimous twit.

rando says

YesYNot says

IMO, the marketplace of ideas is alive and well.

I disagree. There is only one point of view allowed in the mainstream press, and that's The Narrative.

Agree with Patrick here. There is close to zero dissent in the mainstream press and alleged stories are reported as facts while the real facts remain completely un-researched, and that mixed with the narrative of their masters leads to absolute rubbish reported as "news", e.g. that downloading and reading wikileaks documents is "illegal". Imagine the consequences of such narrative-driven faux journalism, we are not far away from an Orwellian dystopia. And yes, Fox news "reports" a lot of "shit" too, but they - once leading the pack of narrative-driven journalism - they have been long overtaken by their leftist media counterparts, and now even the two opposites are amalgamating on some issues such as the fixation on Sex while completely neglecting the real issues at hand. Aliens would not believe that we're actually trying to elect a president, they'd think this is some sort of big brother / survivor reality show.

rando says

My prediction: Hillary will start a war with Iran to please her Saudi masters.

Interesting take. You do know, Patrick, that Saudi Arabia was included in Oded Yinon's plan for regime change in the middle east. But the Saudis want to survive so they are actually Zionists now. And if you think it is far fetched:

As for Trump being a Democrat that is insane. He wants to win, but the big money controls both parties. He wants to win because he will have power like he never had before and he lusts for power. Don't be fooled by that video of Trump being friendly with the Clintons.

Sounds like Trumpligula needs a Reichstag fire to re-boot his campaign in the eleventh hour.

marcus says

The Deplorable DFJ says

Patrick runs a forum dedicated to the freedom of speech, the absolute antithesis of authoritarianism.

How stupid does someone have to be to think that this is an argument that people that like Trump don't have authoritarian tendencies.

Fucking dimbulb.

No idiot, it's the students that you influence and teach who have the authoritarian impulses to such an extent that they seek to have any little irritation removed in the form of safe spaces and segregation. God help anyone who listens to you.

YesYNot says

It's funny to see the changes he's made over the last 8-16 years.

It's amazing to watch her flip flop of Gays, NAFTA, TPP, Iraq War, etc. in the past few years. The difference being she held elected and appointed offices.

When that subject comes up, I tell them my opinion about the SJWs run amok on college campuses these days.

The Deplorable DFJ says

God help anyone who listens to you.

Therefore you're saying that you want them to become little SJWs ?

Besides, I teach Math. Mostly high level Math (for HS). Most of my students want to be engineers, scientists, geologists, doctors, etc. I don't cater to the types of students that end up being gender studies majors.

Nice try though.

More of your students, courtesy the party of peace and tolerance. I'm sure you'll have justification for their actions:

www.youtube.com/embed/ilIX_cz3HIQ

I'm not going to comment on how gullible you are. ( "Durrr, I know what let's do. Let's go beat some people up, take photos and say a Hillary supporter did it.") But even if it's true, you want me to argue that every Hillary supporter is a great person ? You certainly aren't going to argue that most of the worst white racists (or white supremacists) in this country aren't Trump supporters.

Do you ever wonder at all why there are so incredibly few highly respected minds coming forward to support Trump ?

Name the 3 most intelligent supporters of Trump you can think of (not including Gary Busy, Chachi, Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney). Give me a few names that are highly respected as great thinkers, that are supporting Trump. Perhaps a great writer of prose ? OR people that are noteworthy in their field (other than politics). I guess there's Clint Eastwood. I respect him as a film maker. Who else ?

Trump is one of the best teleprompter readers.

The Deplorable DFJ says

More of your students, courtesy the party of peace and tolerance. I'm sure you'll have justification for their actions:

www.youtube.com/embed/ilIX_cz3HIQ

The left - once a beacon of free speech and non-violence - have become the free-speech oppressing brownshirts they claim to despise. What's really depressing is that nobody stepped in. Shitbag was lucky I wasn't around, no matter how many I could not have stood by idly. My heart weeps for that woman, God bless her.

mell says

The left - once a beacon of free speech and non-violence - have become the free-speech oppressing brownshirts they claim to despise.

This is very true.

Hate and violence have become the exclusive property of the left. Which they justify by claiming their hate and violence is against hate and violence, and therefore it is perfectly OK.

The left has become the far right. What a weird world.

rando says

The left has become the far right. What a weird world.

Leftists and Social Justice Warriors are Conservatives

Most importantly, remember that liberalism and conservatism are beliefs in specific sets of rights or values, but rather liberalism is the belief that every person is equal under law with the same rights, whatever those rights might be, and conservatism is the belief that inequality is necessary for the greater good of society and that society is better off with some specific culture, regardless of what that culture is.

Conservatives, left or right, always believe the ends justify the means.

rando says

mell says

The left - once a beacon of free speech and non-violence - have become the free-speech oppressing brownshirts they claim to despise.

This is very true.

Hate and violence have become the exclusive property of the left. Which they justify by claiming their hate and violence is against hate and violence, and therefore it is perfectly OK.

The left has become the far right. What a weird world.

Every day reminds me one way or the other why I parted ways with the left long ago.

rando says

This is very true.

Hate and violence have become the exclusive property of the left. Which they justify by claiming their hate and violence is against hate and violence, and therefore it is perfectly OK.

The left has become the far right. What a weird world.

What are we talking here ? 3% of the left ? THe crazy SJWs ? What do they have to do with Bernie Sanders, who is the most left wing politician to get anywhere in the last 3 decades.

YOu're correct. But it's a tiny sliver of the left.

Where as the lunacy on the right ? It turns out to be possibly a majority of the right. (unless you want to admit that Hillary is basically a republican, and there hardly is any left in this country).

rando says

YesYNot says

I think that the story somewhat organically developed with a life of its own.

I agree with you to a point. The crowd that was looking for reasons to justify their hate of Trump were happy to be fed another reason. And the people at the top knew that.

It's hard to say that quoting someone's own words is a smear. Maybe trump should stop giving them reasons to justify their hate and start laying out coherent consistent reasons he should be president for the people that aren't hillary nutcases. His positions are a mess and constantly changing yet he spends days at a time attacking everyone from beauty queens to the speaker of the house.

If trump can't bring together his own party to get him elected how is he going to bring together the country and run it? What magic is going to happen once he is elected that will make him actually a leader rather than a whiner blaming everyone else constantly?

Gary Anderson says

rando says

You think Hillary is lower risk?

Yes. She is a lower risk. She is a neocon, and she wants world domination. But she is pragmatic. She is not interested in nuclear war, and she tolerates peaceful people from all groups. And I think that brings a certain stability. No guarantees, but she and Bill are not willing to risk the security of the USA for war with Russia.

Hillary has repeatedly promised, even during one of the debates, to implement a no-fly zone in Syria. This lunatic neocon posturing poses 100% risk of conflict with Russia.
According to Marine Corps Gen. Joseph Dunford, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, implementing a no-fly zone would REQUIRE war with Russia and Syria.
“Right now, Senator, for us to control all of the airspace in Syria it would require us to go to war, against Syria and Russia,” said Dunford in Senate testimony.

We don't know about Trump but if you vote for Hillary you are most certainly casting a vote for War, endless and escalating War.
Own that when the shit kicks off.

mell says

Every day reminds me one way or the other why I parted ways with the left long ago.

Left in the USA? Hahaha