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Democrats are opposed to voter ID laws becasue they are an obvious attempt to make voting less convenient for poor people. Not becasue they are trying to make it possible for illegals to vote.

marcus says

Democrats are opposed to voter ID laws becasue they are an obvious attempt to make voting less convenient for poor people. Not becasue they are trying to make it possible for illegals to vote.

Don't poor people have id's?

The first link did work for me now. Yeah, that's pretty weird. He's telling the truth I guess, that there would not be repercussions, if they have an address and are registered and so on. Although he's saying that if you're voting, you're a citizen. But if he heard her question right, he should have emphasized that you need be a citizen to vote. Instead, he seemed to be implicitly agreeing in a sense that if you're undocumented, you still might be considered a citizen.

Not as bad as the dozens of Bush gaffs we've heard, but still a pretty bad gaff.

I don't believe that many would vote, becasue of the fears she mentioned. Why risk it. Certainly after Trump repeats the amnesty that Reagan did, they can then vote.

I think his plan is to continue Obama's work of getting the criminals out, and then do amnesty again.

Strategist says

Don't poor people have id's?

I don't carry any IDs around with me other than my drivers licence and a credit it and debit card (if those count). A lot of poor people don't drive.

Obama telling non-citizens they can vote.

www.youtube.com/embed/ZRNpUUB0y08

Gade says

Obama telling non-citizens they can vote.

www.youtube.com/embed/ZRNpUUB0y08

He says if you're voting you're a citizen.

But read what I said above in # 22

marcus says

Democrats are opposed to voter ID laws becasue they are an obvious attempt to make voting less convenient for poor people.

Corrected:
Democrats are opposed to voter ID laws becasue they are an obvious attempt to make voting less convenient for illegal aliens.

Everybody knows this, even you.

Voter Fraud Deniers Ignore the Facts

http://www.usnews.com/debate-club/is-voter-fraud-a-real-problem/voter-fraud-deniers-ignore-the-facts

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/nov/18/blog-posting/no-3-million-undocumented-immigrants-did-not-vote-/

I get that in some worlds, being possible means it's true.

I will acknowledge that when politifact says a claim is false, they sometimes only mean that there isn't sufficient evidence that it's true. Probably too much analysis for you. You know what you want to believe, and you're sticking to it, without any evidence.

I could say that there is no real world, and this is all just a simulation by some advanced entity (or entities). You can't prove that's false, but that doesn't make it true. And yet it could be true. So it's going to be considered a false assertion, in spite of the fact that it could be true.

marcus says

All "white" Americans are racist in some ways or to some degree, in my opinion.

I actually think blacks are more racist than whites in America overall.

The majority of hate crime in America is blacks attacking whites out of racial hatred, not the other way around.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/19/race-based-hate-crimes-spike-in-dc/

rando says

I actually think blacks are more racist than whites in America overall.

Of course. But they are the minority and historically oppressed and disenfranchised group. It's easy to be less concerned with race if you are white. IT goes something like this.

"I don't and never did own slaves, nor have I ever done anything to harm or take opportunities away from Blacks. In fact I have sometimes voted for politicians that backed affirmative action and countless other programs that benefit those less fortunate than myself without regard to race. "

But Patrick, you're nearly obsessed with how races really are different and blacks commit more violent crimes than other groups and on and on. This is a stubborn issue for you. In my view, you're one of the most racist white men I have interacted with in recent decades. I say that having had close friends and loved ones that are very racist, so I don't mean offense. Just sharing the observation.

After hearing your obsession with black crime, and your beliefs about the problems of political correctness, and you're obsession that knowing a terrorist is an Islamist is not enough, if people don't loudly condemn Islam as a whole explicitly, it doesn't surprise me at all that you would back Trump and totally overlook all of the terrifying aspects of him being President.

marcus says

All "white" Americans are racist in some ways or to some degree, in my opinion.

If you're racist enough that you could vote for Trump in good conscience, then of course your going to tell yourself this kind of thing on a daily basis

It's this kind of sad false belief system that stands in the way of reaching equality.

"All 'white' Americans are racist in some ways or to some degree..." It's just not true.

BayArea says

"All 'white' Americans are racist in some ways or to some degree..." It's just not true.

Depends entirely on how you define racist. It is actually very obviously true. IT doesn't mean that I don't usually consider myself not racist.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/busting-myths-about-human-nature/201607/we-re-all-bit-racist

This is a random recent artical explaining it, but you can find countless.

Implicit bias against Black Americans can cause small behaviors, like clutching one’s purse when a particular type of young man walks by, like imagining oneself in danger just because of the color of the folks around, like assuming that some kids are just going to be worse students or better athletes, or… well, we all get the picture. Most Americans have exhibited many of these behaviors, not on purpose, but because of the society we live in and the limitations of what (and who) we are exposed to. USA society was massively structurally unequal and discriminatory in the past and continues to perpetuate those patterns in the present. It’s no surprise Americans are all a little bit racist.

Even though such biases might be small and unconscious they can have really significant effects when held by one who has direct influence in the outcomes of others’ lives. Think about the impact of such biases and their associated behavior in a police officer, a bank loan manager, a teacher, a job interviewer, or a politician. Racism matters and small biases, when combined with fear and ignorance, can be lethal. The horrific events of Minneapolis, Baton Rouge and Dallas in June and July 2016 alone make that abundantly clear.

But biases and our current state of fear, ignorance, and anger need not be a reality set in stone. Societies, people, and attitudes can and do change. The USA has brought about major changes in civil and social rights over the past 50 years and we can strive for even greater changes over the next 50 – but not until we recognize our biases and the unequal experiences that cause these biases. Inaction and ignorance guarantee that racist biases, and racism, will persevere.

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/28/opinion/nicholas-kristof-is-everyone-a-little-bit-racist.html

Rather, the larger problem is a broad swath of people who consider themselves enlightened, who intellectually believe in racial equality, who deplore discrimination, yet who harbor unconscious attitudes that result in discriminatory policies and behavior.

Scholars have found that blacks and Hispanics treated by doctors for a broken leg received pain medication significantly less often than white patients with the same injury. School administrators suspend black students at more than three times the rate of white students. Police arrest blacks at 3.7 times the rate of whites for marijuana possession, even though surveys find that both use marijuana at roughly similar rates.

Two scholars sent out nearly 5,000 résumés in response to help-wanted ads, randomly alternating between stereotypically white-sounding names and black-sounding names. They found that it took 50 percent more mailings to get a callback for a black name. A white name yielded as much benefit as eight years of experience, according to the study, published by the National Bureau of Economic Research.

These doctors, principals, prosecutors and recruiters probably believe in equality and are unaware that they are discriminating. So any national conversation about race must be a vivisection of challenges far broader and deeper than we might like to think.

Joshua Correll of the University of Colorado at Boulder has used an online shooter video game to try to measure these unconscious attitudes (you can play the game yourself). The player takes on the role of a police officer who is confronted with a series of images of white or black men variously holding guns or innocent objects such as wallets or cellphones. The aim is to shoot anyone with a gun while holstering your weapon in other cases.

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Ordinary players (often university undergraduates) routinely shoot more quickly at black men than at white men, and are more likely to mistakenly shoot an unarmed black man than an unarmed white man.

I’m typical. The first time I took the test, years ago, I shot armed blacks in an average of 0.679 seconds while waiting slightly longer — 0.694 seconds — to shoot armed whites. I also holstered more quickly when confronted with unarmed whites than with unarmed blacks.

In effect, we have a more impulsive trigger finger when confronted by black men and are more cautious with whites. This is true of black players as well, apparently because they absorb the same cultural values as everyone else: Correll has found no statistically significant difference between the play of blacks and that of whites in the shooting game.

“There’s a whole culture that promotes this idea of aggressive young black men,” Correll notes. “In our minds, young black men are associated with danger.”

Further evidence for these unconscious attitudes toward race come from implicit association tests, a window into how our unconscious minds work. You can take them online at https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/.

Don't you know anyone who is married inter racially? I've met and made friends with multiple couples of black and white, white and Asian, and white and Latino.
If every white person is so goddam racist, how did these millions of white people elect to spend their ENTIRE FUCKING LIVES WITH A PERSON OF A DIFFERENT RACE?
ASSHOLE!
We had two Thanksgivings this year. The first was with a white and Asian family, the second was with a white and Latino family. But we didn't plan this because of some sort of white guilt or whatever. We spent the holiday with these friends because they're good people and we enjoy the company.
Fuck you, Marcus, and I mean that with all the cheer of the season.

Actually imbecile, it goes like this...

My grandparents immigrated here.

They took no part whatsoever in racism against anyone, and in fact suffered from discrimination themselves.

But they worked hard, taught their children and grandchildren to work harder than everyone else and get educated.

Exactly what responsible BLACK people tell their kids and grandkids.

Quigley says

If every white person is so goddam racist, how did these millions of white people elect to spend their ENTIRE FUCKING LIVES WITH A PERSON OF A DIFFERENT RACE?

ASSHOLE!

What, you think racism means hating all members of all other races without exception ? I honestly didn't know that there were people out there this stupid.

We get it quigley, you can't get over yourself becasue you married an Asian woman. Congratulations ! (in truth - big fucking deal)

Fucking White Male says

Actually imbecile, it goes like this...

My grandparents immigrated here.

They took no part whatsoever in racism against anyone, and in fact suffered from discrimination themselves.

But they worked hard, taught their children and grandchildren to work harder than everyone else and get educated.

Exactly what responsible BLACK people tell their kids and grandkids.

Okay. So ?

Same could be said for my Irish great grandparents. Although I can't make the claim they weren't racist in any way. It's natural to try to find someone to look down upon. Even if it's just 'teh libruls."

I should be less sensitive to the ignorant Leftist dog whistle "RAY CIST!" But it's just so fucking unfair I can't let it go when assholes like Marcus say it over and over. Dammit, I'm out.

Quigley: "I don't understand what marcus is saying. Therefore he's a mean poopy head, and it's unfair !"

Some people just continually beat themselves down with falls narratives, keeping themselves from realizing their potential.

Other people can't help here. It starts with you.

marcus says

Of course. But they are the minority and historically oppressed and disenfranchised group. It's easy to be less concerned with race if you are white. IT goes something like this.

Marcus admits that blacks aren't color blind.

It's the libs who think everyone in America is racist except them because they have a friendly two-minute conversation with the illegal alien lady from Mexico when she comes to clean their house.

BayArea says

Some people just continually beat themselves down with falls narratives, keeping themselves from realizing their potential.

Even if there's some truth to the narrative, they need to rise above it. Denying that it's true is probably one strategy. Another would be, "maybe I have to work a little harder or be even better, by trying harder, being more disciplined etc, but I will not deny my potential." I think the latter strategy is more likely to lead to success, becasue evidence and facts suggest that there is bias out there.

In sports this works well, because sports is a very pure meritocracy..

Hate to quote DFJ, but,

Fucking White Male says

But they worked hard, taught their children and grandchildren to work harder than everyone else and get educated.

marcus says

you're obsession with black crime

That is like saying Patrick is "obsessed with reality".
Data from the FBI shows that Nationwide Blacks committed 5,173 homicides in 2014, whites committed 4,367. Chicago’s death toll from 2001–November, 26 2015 stands at 7,401 almost equal to that of both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, combined.
Understanding some racial realities does not make one racist.
Or obsessed.

Robert Sproul says

Understanding some racial realities does not make one racist.

Or obsessed.

The obsessed part is his posting statistics and articles about this, trying to convince us all of something, some thesis he has.

You do bring up an interesting point though. Is bias, if believed to be justified, racism ?

If a football team or jazz band answers an email from someone with a black sounding name asking for a try out or audition, giving them the try out or audition, and ignores the same application from a waspy sounding name, becasue of perceptual bias about the likelihood the person has the skills or talent, is that racism ?

(hint: yes - it is)

zzyzzx says

because they have a friendly two-minute conversation with the illegal alien lady from Mexico when she comes to clean their house.

Yes but they don't them to have the same access to schools as their kids have

Quigley says

@marcus go ahead and put me back on ignore like you've done three times before. I won't stop being opposed to your idiocy.

I'm unable to read his invaluable posts, so I must have done something to trigger him.

Oh lord.

Look, the black middle class in the US grew consistently throughout the decades DESPITE OPPRESSIVE RACISM AGAINST THEM up until the 1960's. In the middle 1960's the black middle class stopped growing...coinciding exactly with the implementation of the Great Society programs.

From that point on, black children born to fatherless homes grew exponentially until what you have today which is over 70% of black children born out of wedlock.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/jul/29/don-lemon/cnns-don-lemon-says-more-72-percent-african-americ/

Thats your disaster right there...its not institutional or societal racism, unless of course you consider government welfare starting with the great society programs to be inherently racist(which of course they are).

Racism doesn't have crap to do with it and working harder than everyone else is NOTHING to be ashamed of, regardless of race.

Fucking White Male says

Racism doesn't have crap to do with it and working harder than everyone else is NOTHING to be ashamed of, regardless of race.

What if your community disparages you for even speaking intelligible (employable) english.
Black teenage unemployment in the 50's was comparable to white teenagers. What happened since then? White racism increased?

Fucking White Male says

Look, the black middle class in the US grew consistently throughout the decades DESPITE OPPRESSIVE RACISM AGAINST THEM up until the 1960's. In the middle 1960's the black middle class stopped growing...coinciding exactly with the implementation of the Great Society programs.

I'll be the first to admit that welfare programs were a cop out and a failure. And yes it was democrats that pushed for this, although politics is a convoluted game, and it's hard to know entirely what the interests were behind our fucked up welfare culture.

But why was welfare considered necessary ? It had nothing to do with what was going on in the black middle class. It was that blacks were often the last in line for the good low skilled jobs such as in factories (which where sometimes good middle class jobs back then). Without decent jobs, what were they going to do ?

But on the other hand, I would agree that welfare totally screwed blacks over. And there are too many people motivated to have children and live on welfare now. I would be the first to agree with that. It's a huge problem/question. What do we do if and when some sort of base income becomes necessary ? Do we institute laws as to who can have children? Forcing people to meet certain requirements to have kids ? IF the government is going to pay a higher base income to those with children, then there probably needs to be some requirements, relative to age, education, and work. Not sure if Americans will ever agree to this kind of thing. IT's complicated by the fact that in the early years, staying at home with the baby is a job.

There might not be an easy answer to this. Maybe the answer is somehow having more jobs that don't directly contribute to someones bottom line, but do contribute to the betterment of the community. I know, that sounds too commie ? Especially to those that don't fully understand all the ramifications of the question.

Can we please get back to Ms. Hotness, please?

What, you think an Asian woman can be hot ? Apparently that makes you not a racist. Congratulations !

Robert Sproul says

Nationwide Blacks committed 5,173 homicides in 2014, whites committed 4,367.

Another important point: what is percentage of blacks in US vs Whites

Second important point: how many of black homicides are black on black vs black on white

White on white vs White on black etc

Robert Sproul says

What if your community disparages you for even speaking intelligible (employable) english

In the hood, this is known as 'acting white', as is striving for good grades and education

This was a phenomenon where I grew up in NM: getting good grades was "being a snob" /" although when whites and hispanics got good grades, no one bothered them

Fucking White Male says

coinciding exactly with the implementation of the Great Society programs

LBJ was on money when he said they would have the black vote for Decades after that

Fucking White Male says

unless of course you consider government welfare starting with the great society programs to be inherently racist(which of course they are).

Limousine liberals vote in favor of welfare to 'keep coloreds and deplorables' on their side of the tracks.

Matter of fact, the biggest 'lie' is conflating classism with racism. Limousine liberals are just as classist as anyone on other side of aisle, but just to pussy to admit it