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"The previous high in the DOW was 13,900 before Obama came into office. It took until Jan. of 2013 just to gain that back and break even at 13,900. So the only gain or growth came AFTER that point (which is into Obama's SECOND term (and a Repub Congress))."

So what? We're talking about how the market performed UNDER OBAMA.

"Now, as I pointed out before, that gain came at the expense of over $4 TRILLION dollars of printed money and over another $5 TRILLION tacked onto the National Debt."

And it's no different under Trump.

How many jobs has he created minus the 1300 Carrier jobs he sent to Mexico?
All these new high paying jobs have allowed workers to invest. The market will never fall again.
trump! trump! trump!
joeyjojojunior says

"Now, as I pointed out before, that gain came at the expense of over $4 TRILLION dollars of printed money and over another $5 TRILLION tacked onto the National Debt."

trump will stop the printing or typing virtual money into existence & eliminate the natl. debt.

U.S.A.! MAGA! U.S.A.! MAGA!

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"You got caught in ANOTHER one of your lies.... that's what??"

No, I didn't, you moron. Once again you don't know what the hell you are talking about. What I posted was 100% correct.

"Really??? Can you point me to the data that says we printed $4 TRILLION dollars the last 5 days and added $5 Trillion to the debt?"

Can you show me where he's cut any spending? Otherwise, I'd say he's spending exactly the same as Obama did.

"Really?? Can you point me to the congressional bill that he signed the last few days that outlines all this increased spending?"

Increased? You mean Obama wasn't spending that much?

"Seriously dude, you really need some mental health treatment?? How are you going to survive the next four years??"

I'm laughing. Even in poor mental health, I have no problem shedding you to bits.

"See, here's your issue, you cherry pick a snap shot in time to try and prove your point"

Cherry pick a snap shot??!?? Are you fucking kidding me?? I'm looking at how the stock market performed while Obama was President That's not cherry picking. That's not a snapshot. That is the entire time when he was President of the United States..

Those aren't allies, those were recipients to the midnight window at the American worker and tax payer's expense.
If the world needs help kicking someone's ass, We will still be the first person they call. We have more guns.

What does it mean "replace USA with China"?
Are they going to send illegals to China?
Are they going to send finished goods to China?

Tim Aurora says

First it was TPP ( Japan, Austrailia which are key Washington allies). Now it is Mexico. All will replace USA with China and that leaves a maor headache for future presidents to deal with.

Why do we give a fuck about this again?

You people and Trump do not understand the importance of trade.

Trump is dead wrong on this point.

www.youtube.com/embed/AbuQx_O9Atw

www.youtube.com/embed/DMNvBedOxH4

Timmy you do realize that before Trump there was no "This President" and the "Last President" or the "President before that".
There was just one cohesive establishment NWO set up by Bush Sr. that every President until now was rigged and destined to win by the establishment.
Every election since Reagan before this last one was purely bogus. Thanks to Twitter, and Trump knowing how to Marshall key people to the right regions to squash and quell any election fraud attempts.

Bush Sr. tried to have Reagan killed so he could conduct his Cash for Guns Iran/Contra operation as the commander in chief.
But then Ronnie got Alzheimer and he let him live. Clinton was selected to run against him just in case. Just as Edwards was chosen to run against Bush, then Obama and McCain were hand selected. Nice and easy no surprises.

Until Sarah Palin went off script and what Presidential campaign have you ever seen where the Party leadership the co-candidate and the establishment pundits all savagely destroyed that person to the detriment of their own campaign to suppress her going off message. Which was a more hardline stance than the token space filler McCain was running on. Still to this day McCain does damage control on the establishment. He hates Trump for doing what he was supposed to do in 2008.

Tim Aurora says

USA cannot fight the world. We need allies like everybody else.

What does not agreeing to bad trade deals(ask Michigan about NAFTA), have to do with losing allies? And what does any of this have to do with war? You seem to be making some VERY broad assumptions.

Yeah, the idea that free trade with Australia and Japan is baaaaaad is definitely puzzling. I bet most of people thought that TPP was about free trade with China. Obama's admin did very poor job explaining what the fuck TPP was.

But we won't lose Japan as an ally: they rely on US for their protection from the biggest bully in the region - China. Besides, our trade relationships with them are pretty good even w/o TPP.

This argument makes zero sense. If you have products that other countries want, export them. If they have products you want, import them. Since when does that require a bazillion page document unless you have something else on the agenda.

Of course stocks have gone up, look who's running things(GS). Get ready for another spectacular blowout.. er bailout with taxpayers footing the bill.

Tim Aurora says

TPP will replace China with USA. At this point China seems to be more reliable. Mexico has a good working relationship with China. What happens if they allow China to build a military base.

You say that like it is replacing the US with something equivalent.
The US has end demand, China doesn't.
China is not going to send car factories to Mexico whatever deal they make.
Mexico is not going to swear allegiance to China whatever deal they make.
Why would they allow China to build a military base in Mexico? They are not under threat of invasion and China in any case hardly look like a partner they can trust for protection.

“The great rule of conduct for us…is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible.”
-Washington

“….peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none”
– Jefferson

The best peace keeper there is is trade.

Tim Aurora says

After the Trump presidency, nobody will trust USA anymore

Well, most other leaders are probably hoping thing will "get back to normal" after Trump is gone.

Tim Aurora says

And believe me, China is think about encircling USA.

China does absolutely nothing for the world. Its the apex of self interest. They are probably even less trusted than Trump.
All they do is threaten its neighbors for nationalistic propaganda sake. Something that may in time turn to real war.

Besides, China is circling the drain economically. All they are doing is increasing debt, while capital is feeling and their economy slowing.
Trump trying to close the tap may well send them into a tailspin.

Tim Aurora says

Straw Man says

But we won't lose Japan as an ally: they rely on US for their protection from the biggest bully in the region - China.

I am sure Japan is think about making its own nuclear weapons. I have no doubt about it.

Smart move on their part.

Tenpoundbass says

Those aren't allies, those were recipients to the midnight window at the American worker and tax payer's expense.

If the world needs help kicking someone's ass, We will still be the first person they call. We have more guns.

This.

Tim Aurora says

USA cannot fight the world. We need allies like everybody else. Of course the hilllbillies from Mississippi cannot fathom that.

"You forgot Poland."

Too bad we forgot the Federated States of Micronesia and their 3 Fish and Game Workers they sent to Iraq. Or a 100 Bulgarian MPs or whatever. Or the Latvian Potato Guards "Spud Defenders" Company - 80 men, AKA half the Latvian Standing Army.

How many of our dear NATO Allies are still helping in Afghanistan?

That being said, here is one of the biggest countries, a G7 member and ally of an entire Century:
Theresa May excited to work with Trump
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politics/theresa-may-republican-retreat-visit-speech/

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/world/europe/british-alignment-with-trump-threatens-european-order.html

Meanwhile, #Brexit-wise, countries from South Africa to New Zealand are begging for trade agreements with the UK. Something their EU membership has hampered.

Also, the idea of Japan aligning with China is laughable. What the Japanese ARE starting to do is amp up and modernize their Navy and Air Force.

Tim Aurora says

Maybe I do bring in broad assumptions. But if US turns out to be a unrelaible partner which will change stance on a dime, other coutries will look for alternate partners. China is more than ready to fil that gap. In fact they are craving for it.

Good, let them. We've spent the last 100+ years as imperialists, a change to neutralists who mind there own business, and let others do the same is long overdue.

NuttBoxer says

a change to neutralists who mind there own business, and let others do the same is long overdue.

There are very few "neutralists" and we gained HUGE benefit in bases, national will projection, partnerships, and trade, with countries we were helping defend.

T L Lipsovich says

What the Japanese ARE starting to do is amp up and modernize their Navy and Air Force.

And HOW did they do it? In a vacuum without any US involvement?
The Japanese now have some of the most advanced anti-missile platforms in the world. They were joint venture projects with ... cough ... the USA.

Straw Man says

try to win a civil war (good luck with that).

Actually, southern states secession was per the constitution. Bloody Abe's forced re-integration was not.

ForcedTQ says

Sure you are. So what is your plan for military protection? Contract with the United States Army, Navy, Marines, National Guard, Coast Guard, and Border Patrol?

Border patrol used to be state run, and wait times were WAY DOWN. And maybe you aren't aware this country was founded by defeating the greatest empire of the time without a standing army. States volunteered troops, and when those men had done their stint they left, replacement or not, regardless of if we were winning or losing.

Think Switzerland, no standing army, everyone does a militia stint, everyone keeps a military grade rifle at home.

Rew says

There are very few "neutralists" and we gained HUGE benefit in bases, national will projection, partnerships, and trade, with countries we were helping defend.

Translation: imperialism goood...

By defend you mean the bombings, the dronings, or the drones who drop bombs?

NuttBoxer says

Hillary lost the tough on Wallstreet talking point. Trump won it. He is supposed to live up to that now. Isn't he?

I'm talking all the overseas military presence we have everywhere. All the joint training exercises we carry out with every other nation part of our strategic influence and military projection. Do you realize how big that is? Do you realize how shitty "America first" is as the world leader?

We had countries begging us for support and partnerships. You think that lasts now? Psh. Meanwhile ... Putin smiles. Europe is about to be the weakest it has been in 70 years. China is now presenting that it will pickup the reigns of responsible environmental policy, since we are dropping it.

Day 5? Is it just Day 5 and it is this bad? LOL.

T L Lipsovich says

Tim Aurora says

USA cannot fight the world. We need allies like everybody else. Of course the hilllbillies from Mississippi cannot fathom that.

"You forgot Poland."

... Bulgarian ... Latvian ....
Theresa May excited to work with Trump

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/26/politics/theres...

Here, right from the horse's mouth:

"... we must demonstrate the resolve necessary to stand up for our interests.

And whether it is the security of Israel in the Middle East or the Baltic states in Eastern Europe, we must always stand up for our friends and allies in democratic countries that find themselves in tough neighbourhoods too."

https://order-order.com/2017/01/26/theresa-may-speech-republican-retreat/

T L Lipsovich says

Theresa May excited to work with Trump

I'm starting to like that Theresa chick:

"There is nothing inevitable about conflict between Russia and the West. And nothing unavoidable about retreating to the days of the Cold War. But we should engage with Russia from a position of strength. And we should build the relationships, systems and processes that make cooperation more likely than conflict – and that, particularly after the illegal annexation of Crimea, give assurance to Russia’s neighbouring states that their security is not in question. We should not jeopardise the freedoms that President Reagan and Mrs Thatcher brought to Eastern Europe by accepting President Putin’s claim that it is now in his sphere of influence."

https://order-order.com/2017/01/26/theresa-may-speech-republican-retreat/

Rew says

There are very few "neutralists" and we gained HUGE benefit in bases, national will projection, partnerships, and trade, with countries we were helping defend.

Not at all, we spent Billions and Billions on protecting our allies, while giving them one-sided trade deals that hurt the average American. Meanwhile our Navy and Air Force are ossified and there aren't any viable replacement classes or models of destroyers and jets on the line that haven't turned out to be overbudget, underperforming, and years late to boot.

Germany and other powerful, rich NATO countries spend less than the 2% of GDP minimum of Defense they're supposed to pay under NATO Regulations. We spent Billions to fill in the Gap, and the Germans spent the rest on improving their economic competitiveness via infrastructure, education, etc. investments. Which then helps them out compete our Economy.

Same with Japan. The save billions on defense, put it into R&D and Infrastructure and Export Promotion thanks to one-sided trade deals where they put up massive tariff and non-tariff trade barriers to US Goods. I don't care about rice or corn sales because they're commodities, not value added, and Big Agra doesn't employ even 1% of the US Population.

Trading Radios for Rice is what 3rd world countries do, not modern countries.

Straw Man says

Baltic states in Eastern Europe

Germany, France, and Poland (not counting Italy, Holland, etc.) have ~200M people between them, more than the population of Russia. Germans make great tanks, far more powerful than Russia by itself. I look forward to them defending the Baltics and the European taxpayer paying the bill.

T L Lipsovich says

I look forward to them defending the Baltics and the European taxpayer fitting the bill.

Theresa doesn't. What, you don't like Theresa anymore? So sad.

Straw Man says

Theresa doesn't. What, you don't like Theresa anymore? So sad.

I like Theresa. I hope the handful of British regiments join the German ones in the Baltics. Wealthy Europe has about twice the population of the US and makes up most of the wealthiest countries in the World. Germany has tens of billions in big trade surpluses to spend on new Panzers and Jets.

Better yet, we can stand by and let the Europeans do most of the fighting, then jump in at the end game and take all the credit with the least death and debt.

You know, being smart.

Also, I'm looking forward to Europeans being the ones who have to intervene instead of making us do it, while they criticize the whole thing. Fuck that.

Mexico irrate at how all the illegals from South America will be stuck in Mexico when they reach the wall instead of overflowing into our country.

In the discussion of Trade & the Global economy, do them there tariffs have any influence?
What about any govt. subsidies to it's manufacturing & it's suppliers?
World trade is fair balanced & equal without manipulation.
DOH! FMTT!

On a regular basis, Trump is going to start publishing lists of crimes committed by illegal aliens in sanctuary cities.

It's easy when you got Liberal agendas picking winner and losers.
You go long on Greenstocks and Mandatestocks and you Short Honkeystocks and Crackerstocks.
i.e. the GDP producers.
How hard is that?

Simply make the Government and crony companies the administration writes checks to our GDP and you fund it with disproportionate taxes on the producers, and by scrapping dollars and fivers off America's dinner plate and suck a few hundred a month out of the gas tanks so you can finance the winning stock market you want with the never silent Quantitative Easing money machine.

I mean it's simple stuff!