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rando says

Heres Your Card says

I sure hope that stupid drooling fuckstick shit-for-brains Drumpf doesn't register on PatNet because calling him a cunt is a basic human necessity.

No, it's not a necessity at all.

In fact it is the worst possible response because it simply hardens the opposition.

It's without any question absolutely necessary and one of the most basic human obligations: speaking the truth of one's convictions. And it's preposterous to consider a hardening of opposition as a reason to suppress opposition. Trump is deranged and I couldn't care less if you or anyone else doesn't like the feelz of the statement. It's your website Patrick, so act like Trump if you think you must, but trying to muzzle others' opinions of a man who clearly has at best a tenuous grasp on reality and the emotional maturity of an eight year old is a waste of your moral character.

Heres Your Card says

I couldn't care less....

That's basically the AntiFa narrative: they start by committing to an extreme hallucination, and then use that to justify any bizarre tactic supposedly in opposition to it. So, now, we see the TDS comment calling the previous President names too, supposedly in the voice of the current President, but not fooling anyone. I suspect AntiFa are most likely the ones phoning in threats to Jewish centers and schools, in order to maintain the phony narrative about Nazis. Anyone else can see it's phony, but the AntiFa crowd have crowd dynamics, encouraging the most committed to ever more extreme tactics to maintain the shared hallucination.

Collectively, they do know one thing: if they don't maintain that mass hallucination, nobody else will. You're not going to see a President with Jewish grandchildren phoning in threats to Jewish community centers. So, if the imaginary Hitler won't do it, the AntiFa people have to do it themselves, lest they be exposed as the hallucinating fools that they are.

curious2 says

Heres Your Card says

I couldn't care less....

That's basically the AntiFa narrative:

Of his myriad disgusting qualities I don't consider antisemitism to be one. It is with the utmost irony that insulting Trump, a person so thoroughly constituted by insulting others (women, the disabled, anyone non-sycophantic) would be countered with a call for lucidity when the man himself is so clearly addled in that category. He doesn't strike me as a fascist either, he's just a narcissist child who thinks he lies at the center of reality for everyone else. There's no need to structure hallucinations to explain people's disgust and disagreement with him: it's just simple rejection of an idiot.

CBOEtrader says

Heres Your Card says

CBOEtrader says

Trump is an obvious lying tyrant (he isnt).

He obviously is.

He's a tyrant because you say so? Wrong. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445185/trump-less-authoritarian-obama

So you quote Fake News? No, clearly you're wrong and the lying idiot douchebag tyrant remains a lying idiot douchebag tyrant. Wanna try again? Here's a tip gleaned from your manner and method: Everything you use to support your unfounded claim is Fake News. But please, proceed...and feel free to talk amongst yourself.

CBOEtrader says

Heres Your Card says

CBOEtrader says

The rest of us disagree

Heh, heh, that's a stupid thing to say. More than half the voting population disagrees with you and likely thinks you're an idiot.

My comment was about requiring facts as a jumping off point for a wild claim. I'd certainly hope more than just Trump supporters still believe in using facts.

We do still, he doesn't. How many things has he claimed to be "rigged?". If you want to ferret out "wild claims" that would be the best place to start, namely, at the start of Trump's continuing series of lies. The simple truth is this: He can't function within an objective shared reality without lying to himself and others.

Hater says

Is anyone surprised that ice is melting in the southern hemispheres summer?

Is anyone surprise that the shitload of man-made pollution is making a drastic and permanent change in the climate? Is anyone surprise that some people are so god damn selfish that they don't give a rat's ass about the people who will be greatly harmed by this through disease, famine, flooding, and drought?

If Christianity at all promoted morality then every Christian would be protesting in the streets every single day about big business vandalizing their god's creation. If your body is a temple of god, then how much more so is the Earth? Christians are complete hypocrites.

Climate change is first and foremost a moral issue. It is the greatest moral issue of our time.

jazz music says

INDIVISIBLE

is precisely the problem with the "resistance" agenda: it commands "resisters" to submit to every part of the official doctrine, including especially the spread of Islam. It prohibits people from thinking for themselves, and recognizing that the President may actually be right sometimes. For example, Islam and Obamneycare generated huge amounts of money for the Clintons and the DNC, but voters oppose them, and rightly so.

Basically, the DNC are trying to hijack the vocabulary of the labor movement, whom the DNC don't otherwise listen to and certainly don't care much about.

Spreading Islam increases divide&rule, mass surveillance, and endless military spending. It makes actual people worse off.

Since Obamneycare hit with full force, medical spending and the mortality rate have increased and life expectancy has fallen, so Americans are dying sooner and poorer.

The "indivisible" slogan requires you to swallow all of their crap as a condition of membership in the so-called "resistance." Instead of actual resistance, it is merely submission by another name. And, in case you forgot, "Islam" means literally "submission."

curious2 says

Since Obamneycare hit with full force, medical spending and the mortality rate have increased and life expectancy has fallen, so Americans are dying sooner and poorer.

False causality is the hallmark of the Trump-era. "Believe me."

Rew says

False causality

Calling it false doesn't actually falsify anything. After reading Obamneycare, I predicted on PatNet that it would cause Americans to die sooner and poorer. Partisan Democrats called me all sorts of names and made silly accusations. Then the numbers proved me right. I ask them for alternative explanations for the observable facts, and they have nothing.

Rew says

curious2 says

Since Obamneycare hit with full force, medical spending and the mortality rate have increased and life expectancy has fallen, so Americans are dying sooner and poorer.

False causality is the hallmark of the Trump-era. "Believe me."

Yeah, that's pretty amazing. IT only took a few years of Obamacare to make people start dying sooner. IT couldn't be out of control obesity, bad diet, suicides, and alchohol and drug problems leading to the small down tick in American life expectancy.

Hey, don't worry about it. A little fascism is just what the doctor ordered.

People refusing to get vaccinated, even during a lethal flu epidemic that was killing children, might also have been a factor, but otherwise life expectancy should have increased due to fewer people smoking, along with other changes, e.g. warning about hydrogenated vegetable oil. Obamneycare drove dramatic increases in Oxycontin spending and opioid overdoses, for example, and diagnostic radiation of formerly healthy people. Toxic SSRI placebos have been shown to double suicidality especially in younger people, so infinite SSRI funding via Obamneycare might explain some of the 2%/yr increase in suicides during the period. (Frustration with the nonworking but mandatory website might have driven some people over the edge, too.) These are among the causal mechanisms by which Obamneycare causes people to die sooner than they would have otherwise. As for the spending, even the federal CMS projected the legislation would increase spending above prior law. You have to consider also what else could have been done with the money, as the same administration decided to "sequester" and reduce research money, after previously campaigning on doubling the NIH budget. Life expectancy ended flat for the five year period following enactment, the longest stagnation in many decades. You would need to look back to a war or plague to find a similar impact.

It's fascism wrapped in such a nice flag, being waved by a leader with such integrity.

When do we get start torturing again?

Remember everyone, just shout "they are coming right for us" and shoot first. MAGA!

Let's see...

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism.

OK, MAGA. That's pretty nationalistic.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

Nope.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

Illegal aliens should not be here. Terrorists should die before they can kill anyone. Not so much a unifying cause as threats.

4. Supremacy of the Military

Dunno about "supremacy" but they are going to get more funding.

5. Rampant Sexism

The only sexism we have these days is sexism against men.

6. Controlled Mass Media

Absolutely not controlled in any way. They are free to scream and they scream all day.

7. Obsession with National Security

Certainly needed, given the number of people that Bush and Obama have pissed off with their foreign policy.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined

No more than under Obama.

9. Corporate Power is Protected

I don't see any protection for corporations yet, but they do seem to be looking forward to corporate tax cuts.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed

Not at all.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

What we have is just the opposite: distain *by* intellectuals for Trump.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment

Trump does have more of a focus on crime than Obama did.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

That's the normal state of Congress. Certainly no worse under Trump so far than it was under Obama, and may get better.

14. Fraudulent Elections

Nope, was quite fair.

And many more miscarriages. So all those "pro-life" Christians are hypocrites.

This is also a moral issue and one at which Christians utterly fail.

Here Comes the Hot Tamale Man

www.youtube.com/embed/eH6isG3saKE

curious2 says

Pretend math teachers refusing to get vaccinated, even

Careful, there is a gray area between telling right and ad hominem attacks

rando says

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism.

OK, MAGA. That's pretty nationalistic.

Not to mention the Islamophbia and immigration insanity.

rando says

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

Nope.

What about the right to have an independent media, or the right to practice whatever religion you want ? Without being demonized.

rando says

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

Illegal aliens should not be here. Terrorists should die before they can kill anyone. Not so much a unifying cause as threats.

What about liberals ? The MSM ? The "elite establishment" with their "political correctness." Again, to name a few.

rando says

4. Supremacy of the Military

Dunno about "supremacy" but they are going to get more funding.

Even though it's bigger than the next 7 largest combined. rando says

6. Controlled Mass Media

Absolutely not controlled in any way. They are free to scream and they scream all day.

You really can't see Trump manipulating and controlling the media.? Hell, some of his lies are intentional just to troll the media, and to keep up his story that they are being mean to him.

Dan8267 says

every Christian would be protesting in the streets every single day about big business vandalizing their god's creation.

Ahhh ... but lots of Xians believe humans are all special un-meltable snowflakes, God's chosen creature, made in his image, and the Earth is a gift for Human use. This is justification for the disregard to the natural environment. It's "ours" to do with as we please. God will provide all to the faithful, and when the great revealing takes place, the faithful will be rewarded.

Christianity is life denying, in that 'life' itself is transient and less important than the spiritual. A life affirming religion would take the opposite tac, and as you state, all things here on Earth would be considered precious.

jazz music says

The mantra of deregulation is designed to empower banks and other corporations to proceed with their exploitations unhindered.

Not entirely. Many regulations, perhaps the majority, are designed to hinder corporate competitors and have little to do with protecting the public.

jazz music says

Simple games were devised to make unions increasingly irrelevant

It was really globalization that killed unions. Along with work visas and illegal immigration.

But, f me ... Antarctic and Arctic ice both out of whack?

(sigh)

How much more can we stack the deck against future generations?

marcus says

You really can't see Trump manipulating and controlling the media.? Hell, some of his lies are intentional just to troll the media, and to keep up his story that they are being mean to him.

Thats not the definition of controlled. Controlled is MORE like what Hillary did by colluding w an army of PR journalists...but even that is corruption more so than a fascist state controlled media.

We dont have anything close to traditional fascism here in the US. Cronyism is our problem.

rando says

Not entirely. Many regulations, perhaps the majority, are designed to hinder corporate competitors and have little to do with protecting the public.

Dodd-Frank was the best thing to happen to big banks in the last 30 years. It destroyed the once thriving derivatives trading startup world in Chicago.

Where have "Conservative Policies" 'worked'?

Like the Bush tax cuts conservatives pined for, that lead to the ballooning National Debt that conservatives complain about?

zzyzzx says

Name one liberal policy that has not worked. I'll name a bunch of conservative policies that have epically failed and continue to cost us wealth, quality of life, and lives.

Failed Conservative Policies
1. Feudalism
2. Imperialism
3. Colonialism
4. Slavery
5. Apartheid
6. Child labor
7. Illegal immigrant labor
8. H1B Visas
9. Outsourcing
10. Pollution
11. Drill, baby, drill
12. The Korean War
13. The Vietnam War
14. The Iraq War
15. The Afghanistan War
16. The War on Drugs
17. The War on Women
18. Reaganomics
19. Deficit Spending
20. Tax cuts for the wealth

Should I go on?

The very foundation of everything good about America is liberalism, the philosophy of liberty. Those who hate liberals hate liberty.

I like my Wife's Peruvian Tamales.
It has Pork, Chicken, Boiled egg slices, Kalamata Olive, a sliver of ají amarillo, and wrapped in Plantain leaf.
They are about the size of an iPhone 7 but an inch thick.
Not a fan of Mexican corn husk tamales. But I'm sure that's because being from the Eastcoast, I've only ever had some frozen simile of a Mexican tamale.
I'm sure somewhere out west, there's some Mexican gal that can make a bang up Mexican tamale like Ruth does.

Oh and I dump a crap load of Tabasco on them after I open up the banana leaf.

So just how well do you Libtards think the next Democrat President if there is ever such a thing again.
Will be treated by real American's going forward?

Had we known what a bunch of hypocritical nincompoops the Libtarded Idiots were in 2008, we would have had him impeached by his first 100 days.
He would have been labeled a A Gang Thug from the Murderous culture Chicago, a Kenyan refugee that used violence and deceit to get where he got.
We would have tossed his sorry black ass in prison behind Blogavitch.

I am not sure who I dislike more - Trump and his circle of advisors, or those who oppose and attack him most actively. So, I'll just watch the show from the sidelines and act smartass on patnet.

jazz music says

5. Rampant Sexism

List sounded legit until this one...

Rew says

When do we get start torturing again?

So Guantanamo stopped operations when? Manning was held in solitary under which administration?

Most important point that was left out:

15. A national bank

And number 2 would be better written as:

2. A professed love of mankind, while hating every individual.

Jazzy, is this what you study in your HS global studies class?

rando says

Absolutely not controlled in any way. They are free to scream and they scream all day.

The way the media goes on with anti-Trump fake news, harping the most trifling item and trying to blow it up into something impeachable, and has abandoned the traditional Honeymoon phase entirely, it's obvious there is absolutely no threat to them or to their employees

Nobody, however, comments on the Corporate Media's long standing policy of defaming and excluding alternative media, or their insistence on maintaining a lock on WH Press Events via the "Big 8".

You're watching desperate, obsolete Middle Men taking the gloves off in an attempt to restore their Influence and Legitimacy.

jazz music says

http://www.rense.com/general37/fascism.htm

You realize your quoting an anti-vaxx, UFO believing, anti-semitic conspiracy website, am I right?

Remote Sensing UFO Bases
http://www.rense.com/general68/remm.htm

(((They))) control America like (((they))) controlled Germany in 1929.
http://www.rense.com/general59/sdom.htm

Bigfoot
http://www.rense.com/general31/report.htm

Avoid ALL vaccinations:
http://www.rense.com/general87/avoid.htm

rando says

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

Illegal aliens should not be here. Terrorists should die before they can kill anyone. Not so much a unifying cause as threats.

The media, the Democrats, Hillary, Obama, Muslims, undocumented workers,the "elite", the "establishment" and Nordstrom's!

What a cock in the mouthful of absolute horse shit rubbish.
You bastards thew every book out of the window you fascist sons of bitches ought to know a thing or two about fascism.
The world wide conservative movement is about to run you Charlatan Commie dangerous bastards out of town on poll.
I hope there's blood in Europe so we wont have to get to that point. But we might!

About to hit $140/sh