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Rew says

False causality

Calling it false doesn't actually falsify anything. After reading Obamneycare, I predicted on PatNet that it would cause Americans to die sooner and poorer. Partisan Democrats called me all sorts of names and made silly accusations. Then the numbers proved me right. I ask them for alternative explanations for the observable facts, and they have nothing.

Rew says

curious2 says

Since Obamneycare hit with full force, medical spending and the mortality rate have increased and life expectancy has fallen, so Americans are dying sooner and poorer.

False causality is the hallmark of the Trump-era. "Believe me."

Yeah, that's pretty amazing. IT only took a few years of Obamacare to make people start dying sooner. IT couldn't be out of control obesity, bad diet, suicides, and alchohol and drug problems leading to the small down tick in American life expectancy.

Hey, don't worry about it. A little fascism is just what the doctor ordered.

People refusing to get vaccinated, even during a lethal flu epidemic that was killing children, might also have been a factor, but otherwise life expectancy should have increased due to fewer people smoking, along with other changes, e.g. warning about hydrogenated vegetable oil. Obamneycare drove dramatic increases in Oxycontin spending and opioid overdoses, for example, and diagnostic radiation of formerly healthy people. Toxic SSRI placebos have been shown to double suicidality especially in younger people, so infinite SSRI funding via Obamneycare might explain some of the 2%/yr increase in suicides during the period. (Frustration with the nonworking but mandatory website might have driven some people over the edge, too.) These are among the causal mechanisms by which Obamneycare causes people to die sooner than they would have otherwise. As for the spending, even the federal CMS projected the legislation would increase spending above prior law. You have to consider also what else could have been done with the money, as the same administration decided to "sequester" and reduce research money, after previously campaigning on doubling the NIH budget. Life expectancy ended flat for the five year period following enactment, the longest stagnation in many decades. You would need to look back to a war or plague to find a similar impact.

It's fascism wrapped in such a nice flag, being waved by a leader with such integrity.

When do we get start torturing again?

Remember everyone, just shout "they are coming right for us" and shoot first. MAGA!

Let's see...

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism.

OK, MAGA. That's pretty nationalistic.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

Nope.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

Illegal aliens should not be here. Terrorists should die before they can kill anyone. Not so much a unifying cause as threats.

4. Supremacy of the Military

Dunno about "supremacy" but they are going to get more funding.

5. Rampant Sexism

The only sexism we have these days is sexism against men.

6. Controlled Mass Media

Absolutely not controlled in any way. They are free to scream and they scream all day.

7. Obsession with National Security

Certainly needed, given the number of people that Bush and Obama have pissed off with their foreign policy.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined

No more than under Obama.

9. Corporate Power is Protected

I don't see any protection for corporations yet, but they do seem to be looking forward to corporate tax cuts.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed

Not at all.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts

What we have is just the opposite: distain *by* intellectuals for Trump.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment

Trump does have more of a focus on crime than Obama did.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption

That's the normal state of Congress. Certainly no worse under Trump so far than it was under Obama, and may get better.

14. Fraudulent Elections

Nope, was quite fair.

And many more miscarriages. So all those "pro-life" Christians are hypocrites.

This is also a moral issue and one at which Christians utterly fail.

Here Comes the Hot Tamale Man

www.youtube.com/embed/eH6isG3saKE

curious2 says

Pretend math teachers refusing to get vaccinated, even

Careful, there is a gray area between telling right and ad hominem attacks

rando says

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism.

OK, MAGA. That's pretty nationalistic.

Not to mention the Islamophbia and immigration insanity.

rando says

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights

Nope.

What about the right to have an independent media, or the right to practice whatever religion you want ? Without being demonized.

rando says

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

Illegal aliens should not be here. Terrorists should die before they can kill anyone. Not so much a unifying cause as threats.

What about liberals ? The MSM ? The "elite establishment" with their "political correctness." Again, to name a few.

rando says

4. Supremacy of the Military

Dunno about "supremacy" but they are going to get more funding.

Even though it's bigger than the next 7 largest combined. rando says

6. Controlled Mass Media

Absolutely not controlled in any way. They are free to scream and they scream all day.

You really can't see Trump manipulating and controlling the media.? Hell, some of his lies are intentional just to troll the media, and to keep up his story that they are being mean to him.

Dan8267 says

every Christian would be protesting in the streets every single day about big business vandalizing their god's creation.

Ahhh ... but lots of Xians believe humans are all special un-meltable snowflakes, God's chosen creature, made in his image, and the Earth is a gift for Human use. This is justification for the disregard to the natural environment. It's "ours" to do with as we please. God will provide all to the faithful, and when the great revealing takes place, the faithful will be rewarded.

Christianity is life denying, in that 'life' itself is transient and less important than the spiritual. A life affirming religion would take the opposite tac, and as you state, all things here on Earth would be considered precious.

jazz music says

The mantra of deregulation is designed to empower banks and other corporations to proceed with their exploitations unhindered.

Not entirely. Many regulations, perhaps the majority, are designed to hinder corporate competitors and have little to do with protecting the public.

jazz music says

Simple games were devised to make unions increasingly irrelevant

It was really globalization that killed unions. Along with work visas and illegal immigration.

But, f me ... Antarctic and Arctic ice both out of whack?

(sigh)

How much more can we stack the deck against future generations?

marcus says

You really can't see Trump manipulating and controlling the media.? Hell, some of his lies are intentional just to troll the media, and to keep up his story that they are being mean to him.

Thats not the definition of controlled. Controlled is MORE like what Hillary did by colluding w an army of PR journalists...but even that is corruption more so than a fascist state controlled media.

We dont have anything close to traditional fascism here in the US. Cronyism is our problem.

rando says

Not entirely. Many regulations, perhaps the majority, are designed to hinder corporate competitors and have little to do with protecting the public.

Dodd-Frank was the best thing to happen to big banks in the last 30 years. It destroyed the once thriving derivatives trading startup world in Chicago.

Where have "Conservative Policies" 'worked'?

Like the Bush tax cuts conservatives pined for, that lead to the ballooning National Debt that conservatives complain about?

zzyzzx says

Name one liberal policy that has not worked. I'll name a bunch of conservative policies that have epically failed and continue to cost us wealth, quality of life, and lives.

Failed Conservative Policies
1. Feudalism
2. Imperialism
3. Colonialism
4. Slavery
5. Apartheid
6. Child labor
7. Illegal immigrant labor
8. H1B Visas
9. Outsourcing
10. Pollution
11. Drill, baby, drill
12. The Korean War
13. The Vietnam War
14. The Iraq War
15. The Afghanistan War
16. The War on Drugs
17. The War on Women
18. Reaganomics
19. Deficit Spending
20. Tax cuts for the wealth

Should I go on?

The very foundation of everything good about America is liberalism, the philosophy of liberty. Those who hate liberals hate liberty.

I like my Wife's Peruvian Tamales.
It has Pork, Chicken, Boiled egg slices, Kalamata Olive, a sliver of ají amarillo, and wrapped in Plantain leaf.
They are about the size of an iPhone 7 but an inch thick.
Not a fan of Mexican corn husk tamales. But I'm sure that's because being from the Eastcoast, I've only ever had some frozen simile of a Mexican tamale.
I'm sure somewhere out west, there's some Mexican gal that can make a bang up Mexican tamale like Ruth does.

Oh and I dump a crap load of Tabasco on them after I open up the banana leaf.

So just how well do you Libtards think the next Democrat President if there is ever such a thing again.
Will be treated by real American's going forward?

Had we known what a bunch of hypocritical nincompoops the Libtarded Idiots were in 2008, we would have had him impeached by his first 100 days.
He would have been labeled a A Gang Thug from the Murderous culture Chicago, a Kenyan refugee that used violence and deceit to get where he got.
We would have tossed his sorry black ass in prison behind Blogavitch.

I am not sure who I dislike more - Trump and his circle of advisors, or those who oppose and attack him most actively. So, I'll just watch the show from the sidelines and act smartass on patnet.

jazz music says

5. Rampant Sexism

List sounded legit until this one...

Rew says

When do we get start torturing again?

So Guantanamo stopped operations when? Manning was held in solitary under which administration?

Most important point that was left out:

15. A national bank

And number 2 would be better written as:

2. A professed love of mankind, while hating every individual.

Jazzy, is this what you study in your HS global studies class?

rando says

Absolutely not controlled in any way. They are free to scream and they scream all day.

The way the media goes on with anti-Trump fake news, harping the most trifling item and trying to blow it up into something impeachable, and has abandoned the traditional Honeymoon phase entirely, it's obvious there is absolutely no threat to them or to their employees

Nobody, however, comments on the Corporate Media's long standing policy of defaming and excluding alternative media, or their insistence on maintaining a lock on WH Press Events via the "Big 8".

You're watching desperate, obsolete Middle Men taking the gloves off in an attempt to restore their Influence and Legitimacy.

jazz music says

http://www.rense.com/general37/fascism.htm

You realize your quoting an anti-vaxx, UFO believing, anti-semitic conspiracy website, am I right?

Remote Sensing UFO Bases
http://www.rense.com/general68/remm.htm

(((They))) control America like (((they))) controlled Germany in 1929.
http://www.rense.com/general59/sdom.htm

Bigfoot
http://www.rense.com/general31/report.htm

Avoid ALL vaccinations:
http://www.rense.com/general87/avoid.htm

rando says

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause

Illegal aliens should not be here. Terrorists should die before they can kill anyone. Not so much a unifying cause as threats.

The media, the Democrats, Hillary, Obama, Muslims, undocumented workers,the "elite", the "establishment" and Nordstrom's!

What a cock in the mouthful of absolute horse shit rubbish.
You bastards thew every book out of the window you fascist sons of bitches ought to know a thing or two about fascism.
The world wide conservative movement is about to run you Charlatan Commie dangerous bastards out of town on poll.
I hope there's blood in Europe so we wont have to get to that point. But we might!

About to hit $140/sh

jazz music says

I was raised in the greater Los Angeles

My mother's next to oldest brother and his wife lived at 4242 Sutro--we visited them in 1951 when their youngest daughter Margaret got married. Are you familiar with that area? When we visited again in 1971 for her niece's wedding, uncle Charlie had died and Aunt Caroline had moved to Margaret and Bent's first home two blocks from the ocean on Manhattan Beach. I always wanted to see LA again.

Fascists always accuse others of the very crimes of which they themselves are guilty!
How's the tiny mustache working for you, Jazz?

The people in the picture literally simply switched political parties. Today's Republicans are yesterday's Dixiecrats. It's not the name of the political party that matters. The American South has always been evil because it's always been religious. It's improving as Christianity loses power, but the South won't be good until Christianity is dead regardless of which political party they control.

jazz music says

My world is a melting pot of cultures and traditions. I went to Coos Bay Oregon a few times and I could not believe the extreme dominance of fair skinned caucasians. I felt like I had gone to Ireland they way people all around me looked. And it was like another planet to me.

Yes I feel the same way when I leave South Florida and go to North Florida. There is no Latin stores, Korean stores, Caribbean stores, Public doesn't have a shelf with Jerk Chicken spices and other Jamaican flavors. It's back to meat loaf and Mac Cheese from a box when I go there.

jazz music says

Traditionally hispanic people are extra generous with their food

Most people are generally when it comes to their traditional food.
If you are having a picnic next to a family of Pakistanis(or any nationality) in a public park. There's a good chance one of the people from that party are going to wander over and get you to try their BBQ Goat dish or what ever it is.

FP says

Trump and his circle of advisors, or those who oppose and attack him most actively.

Not much difference. It's two tribes of conservatives warring with each other. Let them weaken each other while liberals build a new political party either by reforming the DNC or breaking with the Democrats and destroying that party. The latter scenario is much harder, but it could happen. The new party would have to take over most Democratic seats in Congress first while letting the Republicans have the White House for years. Once the new party has the former Democratic seats, it could take the White House and the most of the remaining seats from the Republicans. Again, taking over the Democratic Party would be easier, but if that fails, we have a fallback plan.

Dan8267 says

Name one liberal policy that has not worked.

The War on Poverty.

jazz music says

Many of the war on poverty's programs — like Medicaid, Medicare, food stamps, Head Start, Job Corps, VISTA and Title I — are still in place today. The Nixon administration largely dismantled the OEO, distributing its functions to a variety of other federal agencies, and eventually the office was renamed in 1975 and then shuttered for good in 1981.

5. Did it reduce poverty, actually?

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/12/29/14112084/war-on-poverty-brooklyn-great-society
Why the war on poverty failed — and what to do now

http://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality/report/the-war-poverty-after-50-years
The lack of progress in building self-sufficiency since the beginning of the War on Poverty 50 years ago is due in major part to the welfare system itself.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2014/03/19/the-war-on-poverty-wasnt-a-failure-it-was-a-catastrophe/

Has the War on Poverty been a failure? Well, of course it has. If you devote 50 years and $21.5 trillion (in 4Q2013 dollars) to anything, and people are arguing about whether it was a success or a failure, then you can be sure that it was a failure.

The stated goal of the War on Poverty, as enunciated by Lyndon Johnson on January 8, 1964, was, “…not only to relieve the symptom of poverty, but to cure it and, above all, to prevent it.” Measured against this objective, the War on Poverty has not just been a failure, it has been a catastrophe. It was supposed to help America’s poor become self-sufficient, and it has made them dependent and dysfunctional.

jazz music says

Tenpoundbass says

Thug from the Murderous culture Chicago, a Kenyan refugee

OMG You really believe that bullshit don't you?

You really think CNN believes Russia made Trump win? Or that he is a Nazi, or that Bannon is this real evil guy(Anymore so than that treacherous bitch Clinton anyway)
Or that Trump supporters are racist mean spirited biggots. Who so far after 18 months of political campaigning has not created a vicious rabble but the Liberals have countless times. Plus there is actual proof Soros is funding most of the agitation. Just imagine has this gone on under Obama. He would have called out the national guard by then.
I'm popping pop corn when Trump calls them out.