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What are the root causes of Islamic terrorism? Discuss.
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Where exactly is all that ultra violence going on?
With the exception of the Socialist paradise of Venezuela, I do believe the vast majority of the "ultra violence" going on today are in the Muslim majority portions of the Middle East and Africa.
Where else today is there:
- ongoing genocide
- use of chemical weapons
- destruction of ancient archaeological sites
- sex slavery
- collapse of central government
- massive displacement of populations and refugee crisis?
What other place on the planet connected by borders, ethnicity or religion is more violent than the Muslim dominated portions of the Middle East and Africa?
With the exception of the Socialist paradise of Venezuela, I do believe the vast majority of the "ultra violence" going on today are in the Muslim majority portions of the Middle East and Africa.
Very nice but the statement was that
It's an ultra-violent political movement that will kill you just as soon as it can
Less than 1/3 of muslims live in the middle east and north africa. Where is the ultra violence where the other 2/3's live? There are more muslims in india than the entire middle east. Where is the ultra violence? There is no oil to fight over in india. Coincidence? I think not.
Violence in the mid east Is not about islam, it's about oil, money, power, and proxy wars for the superpowers. All the usual subjects. The ultra violence source is a fanatical wahhabi fundamentalist jihadist sect that funds, sponsors, and encourages terrorism around the world. Paid for with us oil dollars, us government tax dollars, and us military support.The same sect tillerman is sucking face with right now trying to sell more arms to.
PeopleUnited
2017 Apr 6, 6:22pm
There are scammers who use religion for self profit.
A scam does not have to be for financial gain. Scamming a person with the false promise of an afterlife or the false threat of eternal torture to get that person to obey you is still a scam and it's immoral. It is morally wrong to lie to people about material aspects of life to essentially take away their free choice.
doesn't mean that absolute truths found in that religion are any less true.
Name even one "absolute truth" that any religion teaches us that could not be taught without religion and its lies about creation, the afterlife, and a moral authority figure. I'll concede the entire debate if you can convince me that religion is necessary to reveal even one god-damn truth.
Religion is not necessary to reveal any truth. Religion is what people do for God. But since most people use faith and religion interchangeably they are often confused. I actually should call it faith because that is what true Christianity is. The freedom to seek to know the Creator is a fundamental human right. Religion is not necessary to reveal any truth, but since the Bible is the Word of God, it is the best source of truth. It is sharper than a two edged sword and it reveals the thoughts and intents of the heart. The Bible showed me that without God I would die in my sins, even if I was the most religious person I know. But the Bible also showed me that the punishment of my sins was laid upon the lamb, Jesus Christ and by simply putting my faith in Him I could have forgiveness and eternal life. The Holy Spirit convinced me that this is true and I have faith in what He revealed to me. And while I owe God everything, there is nothing I can do to earn His favor. If I do anything good is not even I that do it but Christ in me. I could never set foot in a church, never say another prayer, never donate another cent to help my fellow humans and still I could not change that God saved me and forgave me once and for all time. Those who have not experienced God cannot understand it. But it still does not make it untrue. Truth is truth. God is God. And nothing can change that.
You have faith in human reasoning, and many many people share that faith. But when you experience God you will see the folly of human reasoning. His ways are above our ways.
curious2
2017 Apr 6, 6:25pm
Violence in the mid east Is not about islam, it's about oil, money, power, and proxy wars for the superpowers. All the usual subjects. The ultra violence source is a fanatical wahhabi fundamentalist jihadist sect that funds, sponsors, and encourages terrorism around the world. Paid for with us oil dollars, us government tax dollars, and us military support.The same sect tillerman is sucking face with right now trying to sell more arms to.
American policy has thrown gasoline on a pre-existing fire, but expressly Islamic violence in the mideast goes back to Mohamed. The Koran says specifically to strike terror into the enemies of Allah and kill the disbelievers (who are the "worst beasts" because they refuse to believe). Islamic violence continued through atrocities that provoked the first Crusade, the Muslim Conquest of India, the Barbary Pirates, etc. Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab wasn't even born until 300 years ago, and Islamic violence had already slaughtered millions of people. The Ottoman Caliphate genocide slaughtered a million Armenian Christians with none of the influences you listed.
The Barbary Wars occurred because the Barbary States were expressly following Islam by supporting the Barbary Pirates. When Thomas Jefferson asked Barbary ambassadors why they were doing this to Americans, who had never done anything to them, they said because Islam commands them to do that to disbelievers.
Any time you try to argue in defense of Islam, you are almost certain to lose. Most purported defenses are in fact hallucinations and wilful ignorance of history. It amazes me to see western non-Muslims pretend to know Islam better than Mohamed, the Ottoman Caliphs, and the Islamic State, where Big Daddy has a PhD in Islamic studies and justifies everything he does by reading from texts most Muslims hold sacred.
Look at Asia Bibi on death row in Pakistan and the murders of bloggers in Bangladesh: cowing everyone else into silence is the so-called peace of Islam, where nobody dares talk back. Once Muslims take over, they don't need to kill very many to cow the others.
Strategist
2017 Apr 6, 6:32pm
Violence and human rights abuse via the sharia laws. Every single day where ever there are Muslims.
It's what happens when you take your morals from a 7th century child molester.Good non answer. Where is all this ultra violence? With 1 billion people practising ultra violence it should be a slaughter house in Asia. All this ultra violence Is not in the news, What are your sources other than the usual it's true because I believe it should be true?
Every few hours there is a major terrorist attack by the peaceful Muslims. And so many Islamic honor killings and human rights abuses. That is ultra violence.
It's time to shoot the devil and free the unfortunate, possessed Muslims.
Strategist
2017 Apr 6, 6:41pm
Christ and by simply putting my faith in Him I could have forgiveness and eternal life. The Holy Spirit convinced me that this is true and I have faith in what He revealed to me. And while I owe God everything, there is nothing I can do to earn His favor. If I do anything good is not even I that do it but Christ in me. I could never set foot in a church, never say another prayer, never donate another cent to help my fellow humans and still I could not change that God saved me and forgave me once and for all time. Those who have not experienced God cannot understand it. But it still does not make it untrue. Truth is truth. God is God. And nothing can change that.
You have faith in human reasoning, and many many people share that faith. But when you experience God you will see the folly of human reasoning. His ways are above our ways.
Good thing you weren't raised a Muslim in Saudi Arabia. You could have easily become brainwashed to join ISIS.
Strategist
2017 Apr 6, 6:45pm
Violence and human rights abuse via the sharia laws. Every single day where ever there are Muslims.
It's what happens when you take your morals from a 7th century child molester.Good non answer. Where is all this ultra violence? With 1 billion people practising ultra violence it should be a slaughter house in Asia. All this ultra violence Is not in the news, What are your sources other than the usual it's true because I believe it should be true?
Hey, lets ask the Yazidi girls if Muslims are a source of ultra violence on a daily basis.
Any time you try to argue in defense of Islam, you are almost certain to lose. Most purported defenses are in fact hallucinations and wilful ignorance of history.
So the billion plus muslims living around the world outside of the middle east are what? Too ignorant of their own religion to be ultra violent? Saving up their ultra violence for a later date?
Who ended up with Armenian property and land? I didn't mention money and power? I'm sure I did.
Playing tit for tat with religions is simply silly. Christian and Muslim leaders both used religion as an excuse for conquest and power. There were atrocities for 500 years by the christian church before Mohammad was born that continued right up through the 20th century.
Every few hours there is a major terrorist attack by the peaceful Muslims. And so many Islamic honor killings and human rights abuses
Every few hours? there is a major terrorist attack? Sure right.. Better hide under your bed now.
Hey, lets ask the Yazidi girls if Muslims are a source of ultra violence on a daily basis.
The Yazidi girls captured by the wahabbi sponsored sunni isis? Thanks for making my point.
Dan8267
2017 Apr 6, 7:12pm
Religion is what people do for God.
That's a lie. Your god doesn't exist. So you can stop right there.
It's also hypocritical for you to assert the existence of your god while rejecting the literally thousands of other gods currently still worshiped around the world. Are you really going to give equal credence to this guy?
Seriously, unless you take elephant boy seriously, I don't have to take zombie Jesus seriously. Elephant boy is actually more plausible than your god.
P.S. I like the mouse. He's cute. He's holding a little cup.
Strategist
2017 Apr 6, 7:12pm
Any time you try to argue in defense of Islam, you are almost certain to lose. Most purported defenses are in fact hallucinations and wilful ignorance of history.
So the billion plus muslims living around the world outside of the middle east are what? Too ignorant of their own religion to be ultra violent? Saving up their ultra violence for a later date?
The Indian Muslims, in spite of their large numbers are not as violent as the Pakistanis and arabs. It's the Hindu and Buddhist influence that makes them less violent.
Dan8267
2017 Apr 6, 7:16pm
You have faith in human reasoning
Reasoning has nothing to do with humans. Reasoning knows no species bounds or, for that matter, does it make any difference if it is done by machine or living creature.
Nor is faith involved. I do not have faith that the square root of two is an irrational number. I have knowledge. Knowledge is good. Faith is bad. The two are not the same thing.
Dan8267
2017 Apr 6, 7:20pm
...Truth is truth. God is God. ...
Good thing you weren't raised a Muslim in Saudi Arabia. You could have easily become brainwashed to join ISIS.
Exactly. The mechanism of faith can be just as easily made to serve evil as to serve good. It is fundamentally flawed. However, if good actually works, and there is ample scientific evidence that it does, then reason favors good.
Strategist
2017 Apr 6, 7:23pm
...Truth is truth. God is God. ...
Good thing you weren't raised a Muslim in Saudi Arabia. You could have easily become brainwashed to join ISIS.
Exactly. The mechanism of faith can be just as easily made to serve evil as to serve good. It is fundamentally flawed. However, if good actually works, and there is ample scientific evidence that it does, then reason favors good.
Don't remember who said it:
"Men who believe absurdities, will commit atrocities"
Dan8267
2017 Apr 6, 7:24pm
Don't remember who said it:
"Men who believe absurdities, will commit atrocities"
Voltaire, and I believe the quote is "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.". It's a warning against listening to clerics.
Strategist
2017 Apr 6, 7:29pm
You know it's a bad sign when Strategist and I agree on something.
Disgusting. Dangerous too.
There are more muslims in india than the entire middle east. Where is the ultra violence? There is no oil to fight over in india. Coincidence? I think not.
It's because the Muslims are in the minority in India.
Britain literally had to carve out a separate country moving 10's of millions of human beings to separate the Muslims from the Hindus.
I am no fan of their dip-shit religion but, pick ANY region of the world and rain bombs down on them for the better part of a generation, and some percentage of the people that you don’t kill or cripple will become “terrorists†and try to get revenge.
In 2016 alone, 15 fucking years after a few buildings got knocked down in NY, the US dropped 26 THOUSAND bombs on Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan.
This started as some neocon psychopathy but now it is just who we are.
And so we reap the whirlwind.
In 2016 alone, 15 fucking years after a few buildings got knocked down in NY, the US dropped 26 THOUSAND bombs on Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan.
The vast majority of Muslims in all those countries were killed by their fellow Muslims over ideological, tribal and sectarian differences.
Meanwhile, OPEC and Russia's oil cartels are nearly broken thanks to the US oil production ingenuity. And radical Islamists are too busy fighting each other and dodging US bombs as opposed to finding time to "knock down a few buildings" in NYC.
And radical Islamists are too busy fighting each other and dodging US bombs as opposed to finding time to "knock down a few buildings" in NYC
I am sure you are right.
Spreading chaos and misery and death through the region is genius diplomacy. Winning!
And of course, THEY killed many more than the few crummy hundreds of thousands (single digit millions at most) that WE killed.
(And the fuckers probably killed MOST of the 10,000 Americans that lost their lives.)
This shit couldn't have worked out better.
What is the cause of Irish Catholic terrorism? What should we do about Catholicism?
England enacted a policy to shoot them on sight.
With what guns? Catholic Church is decreasing in size anyway.
Why singling out Catholics? Are presbyterians simply victims?
It's because the Muslims are in the minority in India.
Exactly, at independence, Jinnah was "given" Pakistan, which eventually split into Pakistan and east Pakistan in 1971 (Bangladesh) over ethnic and linguistic differences (pakis speak Urdu and Bangladeshi speak Bengali)
They do not cause more damage in society because they are minorities.
Yes, they are incessant whiners and aid and abet terrorism when opportunities present themselves.
After all, they promote madrassa education instead of real education and just have to have 8 kids even though they cannot afford them. Birth control not part of vocabulary
When things don't go their way, in places like Hyderabad, they shut down whole city with threat of riots.
Those who are non-ghetto tend to be the moderates that bob speaks of...but certainly not remotely representative of the average Muslim in India.
komputodo
2017 Apr 7, 9:15am
I am no fan of their dip-shit religion but, pick ANY region of the world and rain bombs down on them for the better part of a generation, and some percentage of the people that you don’t kill or cripple will become “terrorists†and try to get revenge.
Yeah well,but,umm,ehhh...they started it.
justme
2017 Apr 7, 10:11am
While we are on the topic of unnecessary death and destruction: What is the the root cause of American warmongering?
hile we are on the topic of unnecessary death and destruction: What is the the root cause of American warmongering?
What is the root cause of the most sustained peaceful and prosperous time in modern history since the US became a superpower?
Despite the violence in the Muslim World, the world is more peaceful now than it has been in decades.
Worldwide poverty is at an all time low too.
https://news.vice.com/article/the-world-has-gotten-safer-except-the-middle-east
http://www.npr.org/2016/07/16/486311030/despite-the-headlines-steven-pinker-says-the-world-is-becoming-less-violent
Strategist
2017 Apr 7, 10:43am
What is the root cause of the most sustained peaceful and prosperous time in modern history since the US became a superpower?
Despite the violence in the Muslim World, the world is more peaceful now than it has been in decades.
Worldwide poverty is at an all time low too.
Secularism - Democracy - Capitalism
There are more muslims in india than the entire middle east. Where is the ultra violence? There is no oil to fight over in india. Coincidence? I think not.
It's because the Muslims are in the minority in India.
Britain literally had to carve out a separate country moving 10's of millions of human beings to separate the Muslims from the Hindus.
There are 175 million muslims in india. About the same as pakistan and more then the middle east. There are 200 million in Indonesia where they are very much the majority. Where is the ultra violence? Simple question.
Dan8267
2017 Apr 7, 11:25am
There are 175 million muslims in india. About the same as pakistan and more then the middle east. There are 200 million in Indonesia where they are very much the majority. Where is the ultra violence? Simple question.
The argument that the vast majority of a religion doesn't commit violent acts and therefore the religion is good only applies to Christianity. If you applied the same standards to both Christianity and Islam, you'd have to either accept or condemn both.
justme
2017 Apr 7, 12:51pm
Despite the violence in the Muslim World, the world is more peaceful now than it has been in decades.
Yes, the US exports violence to the Middle East, where we side with any dictator that is anti-Russian (Saudi/Royals, Egypt miltary just for starters), and demonize and attack any government, dictatorial or democratic, that is pro-russian (Libya/Khadaffi, Syria/Assad, Iran) or not sufficiently pro-Israel (but only if they are not our "friends").
The world is "more peaceful" only to the extent the US has started somewhat less bloody wars than they did in Vietnam. Since 1975 we instead have specialized in terrorizing poor people in Latin America and the ME, and overthrowing democratically elected governments wherever we could,. We really should pat ourselves on the back for not killing quite as many people was we used to. We're the good guys!
There are 175 million muslims in india. About the same as pakistan and more then the middle east. There are 200 million in Indonesia where they are very much the majority. Where is the ultra violence? Simple question.
I already pointed out to you that Muslims are a tiny minority in India. There are 1.2 BILLION Indians. The Muslim minority knows they would get wiped out if they get too uppity in India proper. Next door Pakistan is a shit hole where suicide and car bombs take out 100 at a clip.
Regarding Indonesia - nearly 90% of the population is Muslim and nearly all of them are Sunnis. Since they are largely an island nation and have no competing religions or borders, they manage to not bomb each other to smithereens like you see in other Muslim nations.
It seems pretty evident that Muslims have a hard time living peacefully AND EQUALLY side by side in a country that has a sizable or equal population of other religious ideologies, ethnicities or tribes.
Yes, the US exports violence to the Middle East, where we side with any dictator that is anti-Russian (Saudi/Royals, Egypt miltary just for starters), and demonize and attack any government, dictatorial or democratic, that is pro-russian (Syria/Assad, Iran) or not sufficiently pro-Israel (but only if they are not our "friends").
We've been pretty consistent since 9/11. No more siding with the central government "strongman" against the majority populations. .
- We support the majority Shia and Kurds against the minority Sunni Baathists in Iraq
- We support the majority Sunni population in Syria against the minority Shia and Allawite Baathists in Syria
- We support the majority moderate population in Afghanistan against the Taliban
PeopleUnited
2017 Apr 7, 10:38pm
Religion is what people do for God.
That's a lie. Your god doesn't exist. So you can stop right there.
It's also hypocritical for you to assert the existence of your god while rejecting the literally thousands of other gods currently still worshiped around the world. Are you really going to give equal credence to this guy?
Actually it would be better stated that religion is what people TRY to do for God.
As far as the one true God is concerned He has no need for me to assert his existence. He has done so himself. You mock and reject Him. Just as those who crucified him did, and just as a majority of people who ever lived have done. Many will find that after death it is too late to change their mind and accept the words of truth and the Spirit of God that is freely offered to everyone.
PeopleUnited
2017 Apr 7, 10:55pm
You have faith in human reasoning
Reasoning has nothing to do with humans. Reasoning knows no species bounds or, for that matter, does it make any difference if it is done by machine or living creature.
Nor is faith involved. I do not have faith that the square root of two is an irrational number. I have knowledge. Knowledge is good. Faith is bad. The two are not the same thing.
Many of your arguments come down to semantics. We need not debate faith vs knowledge for that is another red herring and besides that it is not the issue you have with God. As for myself, I do not just have faith in God that he will do what He said He would do, I have knowledge that He has and will continue to do so because that is who He is. Just as the square root of two is an irrational number, God is who He said he is. If you had this knowledge we would not be having this debate. And as you are surely aware, the lack of knowledge is the most regrettable state of existence. However regrettable it may be, your lack of knowledge of God does not mean He doesn't exist.
PeopleUnited
2017 Apr 7, 11:07pm
I am no fan of their dip-shit religion but, pick ANY region of the world and rain bombs down on them for the better part of a generation, and some percentage of the people that you don’t kill or cripple will become “terrorists†and try to get revenge.
In 2016 alone, 15 fucking years after a few buildings got knocked down in NY, the US dropped 26 THOUSAND bombs on Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan.
This started as some neocon psychopathy but now it is just who we are.
And so we reap the whirlwind.
It was a tactical error for the United States to become entangled in Middle East politics and policing, however it does not change the fact that Islam provides enough motivation for people to commit terrorist acts even without intentionally or accidentally provoking. Furthermore it is perhaps the most intolerant theology and its sharia law is just as bad if not worse than life under the supreme leader on North Korea.
Dan8267
2017 Apr 7, 11:20pm
As far as the one true God is concerned He has no need for me to assert his existence. He has done so himself. You mock and reject Him. Just as those who crucified him did, and just as a majority of people who ever lived have done. Many will find that after death it is too late to change their mind and accept the words of truth and the Spirit of God that is freely offered to everyone.
The fact that you actually believe this ridiculous lie is reason enough that all religion should be banned. Anyone acting on such an irrational belief is delusional and cannot be making wise decisions, especially when it comes to politics. It would be impossible for someone with such a lack of grasp on reality to deal properly with the very real and important policy dilemma we face today regarding material things like climate change. Religion affects how people think and view the universe, and not in a good or wise way.
However regrettable it may be, your lack of knowledge of God does not mean He doesn't exist.
No, I myself have no effect on whether or not your false god exist. Neither do you or your faith. Your god does not exist because
1. Omnipotence is a self-contradicting term.
2. Omnipotence and omniscience are contradictory.
3. The set of omnipotence, omniscience, and omnibenevolence is contradicted by the existence of evil and suffering.
4. Omniscience contradicts the laws of nature.
5. Supernatural entities cannot interact with any natural entity without violating the laws of nature, and such violations would be obvious.
6. Jesus Christ did not rise from the dead, walk on water, or turn water into win. Nor was he born of a virgin. That myth was plagiarized from many pagan myths.
7. The entire Bible was written by uncreative men with different contradicting and selfish political and social agendas. The character of god is full of character inconsistencies. Parts of the Bible directly contradict other parts over the simplest matters of fact.
The fact that you have been fooled your entire life by such an obvious scam demonstrates how dangerous the brainwashing of children by Christians truly is. And that alone makes Christianity evil.
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Sensible people are discouraged from thinking about the root causes of Islamic terrorism by mainstream media and academia. (AKA SJW's)
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/414113/actual-root-causes-islamic-terrorism-ira-straus
Osama Bin Laden was a well to do man from a well to do family who was radicalized.
http://markhumphrys.com/root.cause.html
Former Islamic Radical shares his solutions.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261829/former-islamic-radical-unveils-root-causes-islamic-joseph-puder