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He's learning to speak like a politician: appearing to care deeply about and issue while promising nothing. I saw that part of the interview and was impressed that he managed to shut down the critical press this way, by refusing to play into their hands with his true plans. Instead he gave them platitudes and talking points that created no good headlines and would probably convince the weak minded (see above) that he had come around to their agenda.
It isn't true.
But he's getting better at dealing with a hostile press. A sitting President doesn't have to reveal his foreign policy plans to the press. He can be as vague as he wants to be, leaving them no rope with which to hang him.

Quigley says

He can be as vague as he wants to be

Is saying that it was way more than crossing a red line being vague? The only thing vague about it is that Trump constantly says one thing and then comes back later and says that he meant something else. In this case, I don't think that the media was trying to trick him. They were just looking for some indication of how he might react.

You act like they were Chemical attacked by Trump's breath.

You folks are Idiots in the highest order.

Listen Assholes! When you're on the plane and you think it is crashing, do you sit there and scream "They Pilot is an incompetent Jerk, storm the Cockpit and take over!"

Let me ask you an easier question, what would you do to that person?

Yeah that's us the ones that is counting on the Pilot to land this plane in these troubling time. And I'll be damned if a bunch of whinny little shits are going to make us crash, just because you are butt hurt.

Tenpoundbass says

Listen Assholes! When you're on the plane and you think it is crashing, do you sit there and scream "They Pilot is an incompetent Jerk, storm the Cockpit and take over!"

To run with your metaphor, what if the pilot is incompetent and is coming out to the fuselage to tell you not to worry, it is the last pilot's fault that we are crashing. Should you just sit tight and thank him for his service, or should you point this out and ask if there are any other pilots who could help?

Back to the topic at hand, why don't you address the OP? Do you think that this attack was in response to and to test the new President, or do you think somehow it is Obama's fault for being weak? If it's because Obama is weak, do you think that Assad and Putin are aware that Trump is now the president? I'm curious to hear some actual analysis of this quote from Trump supporters.

Sarin gas is "Not nice", "Bad", "Nasty"

Trump will tell them.

If Assad uses Sarin on his own people, he will have no hesitation to use it on Israel and America.
His chemical weapons and other destructive toys must be taken away from him. Russia has control over him, so they better cooperate with us in neutralizing chemical weapons.

Ironman sides with Assad and Russia and thinks that Trump's administration has been duped. Will he admit that he thinks Trump is getting it wrong? All of PatNet is wondering. Will he praise Putin? Will he praise the integrity of Assad? The US intel says that planes dropped bombs at the point when the gas attack was reported. Assad says no. The CIA was wrong about Iraq. Does that mean that they are wrong today? Is it just the deep state baiting Trump? What will breitbart and hedgehog say?

Trump's Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson, said on Wednesday there was "no doubt" that Assad was responsible for the attack and called on Russia to "really think carefully" about its continued support for the regime.

US intelligence officials said they followed the radar track of regime planes and the infrared heat signature of the bombs. Syrian Foreign Minister Walid al-Moallem denied the government carried out airstrikes at the time of the reported attack and repeated the government's claims it had never used chemical weapons and never would.
He said the government's first strike happened at 11:30 am, around five hours after reports of the chemical attack emerged.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/06/middleeast/syria-idlib-chemical-attack/

Ironman says

If you're an idiot?

They have all of the evidence they need to figure out who is the idiot. If anyone is still waiting for that, there's not much hope for them.

Ironman says

Russian officials have a different account of the events in Idlib.

That's because they are not morons, so they came up with a plausible story. They should work on squaring it with what their friends in the Syrian government are claiming.

Ironman says

Russian officials have a different account of the events in Idlib. They said Assad attacked an ISIS weapons depot, which had chemical weapons in it.

It is my understanding that it is nearly impossible to set off Sarin gas just by bombing it. It has 2 precursors that need to be mixed precisely for the gas to become lethal.

And if you buy the Russian/Iranian/Assad line that they bombed a rebel bunker housing toxic gas, Assad and Russia would still be complicit in the injuries for knowingly bombing a chemical weapons depot.

Ironman says

Strategist says

If Assad uses Sarin on his own people,

Hmmm..

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Fake news: sarin mainly works through inhalation. For it to penetrate skin the concentration must be very high and since it drops very fast in open air it's not a problem if rescue workers do not war full hazmat suits. But masks must be worn because even clothing exposed to sarin will release it for half an hour or so . Syrian binary munitions are not very sophisticated and have comparatively low output - 30% vs properly weaponized shit. So they won't really work on enemy military personnel equipped with mask and such but are still effective against civilian population.

Straw Man says

Fake news

Feman fell for fake news? Inconceivable!

Ironman says

How about Door Number 3?

Trump didn't buy that. Looks like I was right on both counts. He did strike militarily, and he sees the use of chemical weapons very differently now than four years ago.

What would Obama have done?

Strategist says

What would Obama have done?

Impossible to know.

Strategist says

What would Obama have done?

We know what Hillary would have done, because she told us during the debate that she wanted to do a no fly zone. Before Donald ordered the strike, she also said publicly that he should have and still should bomb Assad's airports to ground his planes.

Obama, for his part, had made great progress in Iraq taking back territory. In Syria, things were not so rosy, but he managed to keep talks going and there were no more chemical weapons attacks on his watch. He did all of this without a large boots on the ground force and military escalation. That last part is worth a lot to our long term national security and the happiness and health of our military personnel.

Since we now know that Trump is feeling free to govern as he campaigned by teeter tottering from one side of an issue to the other, we will have to wait and see where we go from here.

Ironman says

Sent one of these:

After the attacks, you were pushing alt-right news about the chemical attacks not being Assad. Presumably, you were advocating restraint and giving Trump an out. The moment that he launched an attack, you are excitedly posting pictures of missiles and trash talking Obama for being a pussy who would have sent a cake. You post like Trump campaigned - feeling free to teeter totter from one side of an issue to the other.

YesYNot says

feeling free to teeter totter from one side of an issue to the other.

To give credit where credit is due, Ironbrain has an amazing ability to fervently believe in multiple contradictory ideas.

bob2356 says

an amazing ability to fervently believe in multiple contradictory ideas

Maybe the man stuck in an unfortunate shame spiral and his super hero alter ego are fighting for control of the remains of his frontal lobe.

This is an impossible supposition, as the cockpit is part of the fuselage.
Therefore, the pilot can not "come out to the fuselage" from the cockpit.
Unless, for some reason he was coming from the wings...

www.youtube.com/embed/ctHltBauGc8?start=90&end=106

YesYNot says

To run with your metaphor, what if the pilot is incompetent and is coming out to the fuselage to tell you not to worry, it is the last pilot's fault that we are crashing.

Which is why that airfield was attacked, not assad directly.
We surely have flight recon proof the aircraft that dropped the gas took off from that field.
So the airfield suffers, and whichever faction has operational control of it suffers.

Ironman says

According to former Congressman Ron Paul, the chemical weapons attack in Khan Sheikhoun that killed 30 children and has led to calls for the Trump administration to intervene in Syria could have been a false flag attack.

“It looks like maybe somebody didn’t like that so there had to be an episode,” said Paul, asking, “who benefits?”

“It doesn’t make any sense for Assad under these conditions to all of a sudden use poison gases – I think there’s zero chance he would have done this deliberately,” said Paul.

The former Congressman went on to explain how the incident was clearly being exploited by neo-cons and the deep state to enlist support for war.

More clearly, any chance to take out chemical weapons, and the places they are distributed from, is a good thing.
I don't see any problem launching cruise missile after cruise missile after cruise missile, in perpetuity.
* No US personnel in harms way
* Highly precise targeting limiting collateral damage
* Increases US Employment for cruise missile manufacturing.
* And if you really want to take assad out, wait until it's known for sure he's in his palace, and drop one there...

Strategist says

His chemical weapons and other destructive toys must be taken away from him.

Would not gas dissipate rather quickly?
Does sarin leave a residue?

Ironman says

Strategist says

If Assad uses Sarin on his own people,

Hmmm..

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Wow.
This incident may be exposing the true paid russian trolls.
Interesting seeing who takes what side...

YesYNot says

Ironman sides with Assad and Russia and thinks that Trump's administration has been duped. Will he admit that he thinks Trump is getting it wrong?

Quigley says

speak like a politician: appearing to care deeply about and issue while promising nothing

Like WWI, WWII we have dictators, corrupt, and evil leader who cause increased singularities of harm to groups of people until a more virtuous country finally reacts or gets involved.

Dems like a continuum of harm, while Reps like to snuff out singularities.

Ironman says

I posted what was going on... you having delusions again or reading comprehension issues again??

Just because you aren't willing to admit your excitement doesn't mean that the rest of us cannot see it. Your new sheriff in town meme is a pretty good representation of how you feel. But here's your opportunity to tell us exactly what you do think. Go ahead if you dare.Ironman says

Obama is and will ALWAYS be a pussy, that's one reason why Trump took this action, to show that the US won't be pushed around like it was under Obama.

If Assad did it, it will show that we'll strike fast. If Assad didn't do it, and ISIS or some other rebel group did, it shows that Trump can be manipulated by ISIS into using our military power. Don't you see this obvious contradiction? You cannot keep offering up the possibility that Assad didn't do it while celebrating Trump's military response and blaming Obama.

Ironman says

How many FALSE threats and "red Lines" did Obama make over the last 7 years against others?

Obama drew so many red lines that he ran out of red paint. He lost all credibility, and he is responsible for what happened to the Yazidi women, victims of chemical attacks, and deaths caused by rising terrorism during his term.
Obama belongs to the hall of shame. He will go down in history as the .... Black Carter.

Strategist says

Obama drew so many red lines that he ran out of red paint. He lost all credibility, and he is responsible for what happened to the Yazidi women, victims of chemical attacks, and deaths caused by rising terrorism during his term.

Assad knew that Obama had left office and that Trump was making decisions. Obama's decision making pattern wouldn't enter into Assad's calculation, unless he hasn't read the news since Nov 8th, 2016. This accusation by Trump was so laughable, it was even over the top for him. If Assad did it, it was based on calculations regarding the current world leaders, not leaders from last year, last decade, or last century.

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