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BlueSardine says

If you changed your name back to Vaticanus your arguments would carry more weight.

Images of luxurious palaces and gold chinaware come to mind.

PeopleUnited sounds like a british soccer team...

PeopleUnited says says

You and

Vaticanus was kind of a joke name. But I agree it does sound pretty badass.

PeopleUnited says

We can stop talking about Him anytime you decide to quit talking about Him and His followers.

I am not going to be silent in the face of evil. Christian brainwash children every day. It's the worst and most prevalence form of child abuse in our society. How about you Christians leave children alone. If you cannot convince a rational adult of your false religion, you should not be allowed to brainwash children.

If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea.

PeopleUnited says

If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea

Yeah, that says all we need to know about Christianity being "harmless".

@Patrick, still think there's no major downsides to tolerating Christianity or that Christians could not be radicalized? How different, fundamentally, does PeopleUnited sound from a Muslim?

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea

Yeah, that says all we need to know about Christianity being "harmless".

@Patrick, still think there's no major downsides to tolerating Christianity or that Christians could not be radicalized? How different, fundamentally, does PeopleUnited sound from a Muslim?

I didn't say it genius, Jesus did. And it is a warning and promise from God. I suggest you heed it. God follows through with His promises.

"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell"

PeopleUnited says

And it is a warning and promise from God. I suggest you heed it.

Spoken like a true Muslim, er, Christian. Same diff.

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

And it is a warning and promise from God. I suggest you heed it.

Spoken like a true Muslim, er, Christian. Same diff.

Nope the difference is that a Muslim will kill you for insulting his prophet, I will just gently remind you that my God keeps His promises.

The difference is a mere century of devolution. Left uncheck, you'd Christians would rival Muslims in cruelty just like you did for 80% of your history.

Dan8267 says

The difference is a mere century of devolution. Left uncheck, you'd Christians would rival Muslims in cruelty just like you did for 80% of your history.

More making shit up. Moreover, since Christianity predates Islam, your devolution claim doesn't even make sense. Clearly no intelligence here. You must be a bot.

PeopleUnited says

More making shit up. Moreover, since Christianity predates Islam, your devolution claim doesn't even make sense. Clearly no intelligence here. You must be a bot.

It is a historical fact that Christianity became oppressive and violent after the Romans legalized it. Your statement is empirically false.

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

More making shit up. Moreover, since Christianity predates Islam, your devolution claim doesn't even make sense. Clearly no intelligence here. You must be a bot.

It is a historical fact that Christianity became oppressive and violent after the Romans legalized it. Your statement is empirically false.

The RCC is Christian in name only. The RCC was torturing Christians for centuries. http://amazingdiscoveries.org/R-Reformation_Rome_crusade_slaughter

Just because someone claims to be a Christian, doesn't make them a Christian. There may be some people in the RCC that are Christians, but their leaders never were.

Martin Luther discovered this with the help of God and many others have as well.

PeopleUnited says

Just because someone claims to be a Christian, doesn't make them a Christian.

What makes a person a Christian is the belief in the divinity and resurrection of Christ. Many such people have committed genocide, rape, torture, and infanticide over the past 2000 years. The Roman Catholic Church is certainly Christian. Again, you don't get to rewrite history.

Dan, your hatred for Christianity blinds you. You are a blind man.

FortWayne says

Dan, your hatred for Christianity blinds you.

I hate evil. Christianity is simply a specific example of evil. Any good person would have Christianity for the exact same reasons he hates Nazism. Both movements have committed genocide, rape, torture, infanticide, and brainwashing.

I have backed up all my claims with historic evidence. You have nothing more than a baseless assertion.

Dan8267 says

It is a historical fact that Christianity became oppressive and violent after the Romans legalized it. Your statement is empirically false.

Actually the biggest reason Constantine recognized (which means christians got state support like the pagan religions, it was very profitable to be a state recognized religion in those days) Christianity is he thought it would stop the brutal fighting between the various christen factions which was actually destabilizing his empire. Didn't work out. Christianity started out violent and oppressive well before Constantine. .

The root cause of any extremism is the "success" that laundry room operators have in brainwashing the young. The communist knew it and islamists know it. The way to stop it is to prevent certain imams from speaking.....by any means necessary.

Never fails.

After every Islamic inspired terrorist attack, the usual monkeys are criticizing Christianity.

ISIS loves the free PR.

All those Christians murdered in Egypt yesterday for having the temerity to peacefully celebrate Palm Sunday - not so much.

bob2356 says

Christianity started out violent and oppressive well before Constantine. .

But it got worse thus demonstrating that Christianity can become more radicalized with time.

Dan8267 says

Well, I am. There is plenty in the history of Christianity that merits criticism.

In history - sure.

If you think you are making some sort of cogent point to comparing human activity from 2,000 years ago to contemporary Islam, I am failing to see it.

I'm sure you would take issue with me criticizing atheists for the hundreds of millions killed 50 short years ago under the banner of Communism where post-religious fanatical "enlightened Man" had no moral constraints trying to create heaven on earth.

socal2 says

In history - sure.

History matters. The present is an arbitrary point in time, and history repeats itself. Just because you live in a time where Christianity is contained does not mean that will be the case in the future. The price of freedom and safety is eternal vigilance.

socal2 says

I'm sure you would take issue with me criticizing atheists for the hundreds of millions killed 50 short years ago

Yes, because atheism had no more to do with that than mustaches and you know that because we've gone over that a hundred times.

In contrast, the Spanish Inquisition and Crusades are intrinsic to Christianity.

Now if you want to argue that the mass murder by Stalin and Mao were examples of authoritarianism being evil, go right ahead.

Dan - where is your picture of the skateboarder punk getting a BJ by the Jesus statue?

Surely that ranks up there with the 50 Coptic Christians killed by Islamists yesterday in Egypt. Let alone the genocide and ethnic cleansing of the tens of thousands of Christians in the Middle East over the last few years or the massive persecution Christians face in China.

Christianity is literally the most persecuted ideological group in the world today - and Florida Dan is on the case taking a big giant dump on them.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kelly-james-clark/christianity-most-persecuted-religion_b_2402644.html

Bravo Dan! So edgy and brave!

Dan8267 says

Yes, because atheism had no more to do with that than mustaches and you know that because we've gone over that a hundred times.

Atheism is a central tenet of Communism practiced in the Soviet Union and China. There is no white-washing away the fanatical zealotry atheism had in the spread of Communism and all that human suffering.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist_atheism

socal2 says

Surely that ranks up there with the 50 Coptic Christians killed by Islamists yesterday in Egypt.

It doesn't, and that's a straw man argument. Rape isn't as bad as murder, but why would one make rape legal? There's not connection.

The arrest and prosecution of the boy for blasphemy -- and that's what they were really prosecuting no matter what they call it -- is utterly unacceptable. And allowing Christianity in our society does not in any way help defeat Islam. In fact, tolerance for Christianity helps Islam by letting an irrational playing field exist.

socal2 says

Christianity is literally the most persecuted ideological group in the world today

Well, that's just bullshit. But the disregard for the truth is yet another reason that no religion, including Christianity, should be tolerated.

Dan8267 says

The arrest and prosecution of the boy for blasphemy

Can you send a link to this arrest? Was he really arrested for "blasphemy" or was he arrested for trespassing?

Dan8267 says

Well, that's just bullshit. But the disregard for the truth is yet another reason that no religion, including Christianity, should be tolerated.

You really dispute that Christianity is the most persecuted ideological group on the planet today?

Name another ethnicity or ideological group that has faced more persecution in the last 20 years in terms of being driving from their homes, forced to convert, or jailed by thousands like they are in China simply because of their religious identification.

Dan8267 says

Trespassing was code for blasphemy. One can walk onto church's lot. He was arrested solely because he posted a blasphemous picture on Facebook. Had he taken a picture of himself standing next to the statue, he would not have been arrested, plain and simple. So yes, this was prosecution of a religious crime.

If I did the same thing on PRIVATE PROPERTY to a statue of MLK, Rosa Parks or Harvey Milk - I would be arrested for trespassing and probably charged with a "hate crime" to boot.

All and all, your skate boarding martyr is pretty weak sauce to support your paranoia that America is at risk of becoming like the Taliban.

socal2 says

If I did the same thing on PRIVATE PROPERTY to a statue of MLK, Rosa Parks or Harvey Milk - I would be arrested for trespassing and probably charged with a "hate crime" to boot.

Bullshit. If this guy took a picture of himself just standing next to the statue, he would not have been arrested and the church would not have pressed charges. He was arrested for blasphemy, plain and simple. To say otherwise is a lie. The fact that people can and do visit church grounds without explicit permission is proof positive that it is not trespassing. Furthermore, selecting enforcing one law to in effect enforce an illegal act that cannot be made into law is still enforcing an illegal act.

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

Just because someone claims to be a Christian, doesn't make them a Christian.

What makes a person a Christian is the belief in the divinity and resurrection of Christ. Many such people have committed genocide, rape, torture, and infanticide over the past 2000 years. The Roman Catholic Church is certainly Christian. Again, you don't get to rewrite history.

Actually it is you who are now speaking for God and trying to tell everyone who is a real Christian. Only God knows who the real Christians are.

PeopleUnited says

Actually it is you who are now speaking for God and trying to tell everyone who is a real Christian. Only God knows who the real Christians are.

Sorry, you don't get to define Christian. A Christian is, by definition, one who believes in the divinity and resurrection of Christ. Plain and simple. If such people do bad things then Christianity is a bad thing.

Strategist says

Why would we even target innocent people? There is no benefit.

There are no innocent people in war.

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

Actually it is you who are now speaking for God and trying to tell everyone who is a real Christian. Only God knows who the real Christians are.

Sorry, you don't get to define Christian. A Christian is, by definition, one who believes in the divinity and resurrection of Christ. Plain and simple. If such people do bad things then Christianity is a bad thing.

Sorry YOU don't get to define Christian either. For manifold reasons, not the least of which is that you don't even know who Christ is. But a better definition of a Christian is someone who is Christ like, someone who emulates Christ. Simply believing is not evidence of Christianity. See James 2:9 even demons believe yet they are not Christians.

Booger says

There are no innocent people in war.

That's bullshit.

PeopleUnited says

Sorry YOU don't get to define Christian either.

I didn't. This is what Christian has always meant. It's a self-identifying term. The Christ in Christian stands for Jesus Christ. Once more, you demonstrate how dangerous Christian brainwashing is.

PeopleUnited says

For manifold reasons, not the least of which is that you don't even know who Christ is. But a better definition of a Christian is someone who is Christ like, someone who emulates Christ.

By that definition, no person is a Christian, especially not you.

PeopleUnited says

Simply believing is not evidence of Christianity.

You need to read that dumb ass Bible you proclaim to follow. It clearly states that no amount of good deeds will save you from eternal damnation and the only way to be saved and go to heaven is with faith in Jesus Christ.

101 Verses that Teach: Salvation is NOT by Works!

Eph. 2:8-9 - "For BY GRACE are ye SAVED THROUGH FAITH; and that NOT OF
YOURSELVES: it is the GIFT of God: NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast."

Acts 16:30-31 - When the Philippian jailer asked, "What must I do to be saved?" Paul didn't say,
keep the Ten Commandments, but rather, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved."

Luke 7:49-50 - Christ told the woman: "Thy faith hath saved thee," not thy works! (See #1)

Eph. 1:7 - "Redemption through HIS BLOOD, the forgiveness of sins," not through our works.

1 Pet. 1:3-5 - "According to his abundant MERCY," not according to our good deeds. (See #12)

Christianity has a 2000 year history of dogma stating that only through faith in Jesus can you prevent your soul from being tortured in hell for all eternity. So no, you don't get to change 2000 years of history to support your lying ass agenda.

Turns out that religious people really like to write down their dogma, so it's damn easy to verify what it is.

#nextTimeAskForLube

I'm okay with the Christians...this is a free country and we have the freedom of religion. However, all their powerful figures who speak the gospel, sexually assaulting and molesting all those young boys, doesn't sit well with me. Why do so many of the most devout Christians molest young boys? Did God tell them to do it?

Dan8267 says

That's bullshit

You don't win wars by sparing the enemy. If you want to win, you have to fight like we did in WW2, so doing things like firebombing cities is absolutely necessary.

Strategist says

I actually supported Obama for his second term. I fucked up pretty bad.

To the nation and the world, i hereby apologize for supporting Obama for his second term. It gave rise to ISIS. It gave rise to N Korea. It prevented our economy from recovering.
I sincerely apologize for supporting Obama 4 years ago.
Please forgive me.

Dan there is a difference between believing that Jesus died and rose again, (which most nominal Christians do) and having faith that He is your Lord and Savior. Most "Christians" actually don't rest in Jesus, they rather trust in works, religion, church membership, their priest, etc to save them. That is the point I was trying to make. Only God truly knows who has trusted Him.

PeopleUnited says

Dan there is a difference between believing that Jesus died and rose again, (which most nominal Christians do) and having faith that He is your Lord and Savior.

Honey, plenty of very evil people accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. Again, you don't get to rewrite history to fit your No True Scottsman argument. One could just as easily say that any terrorist isn't a Muslim because Islam is a religion of peace and Allah knows who has trusted Him. Allah means god, literally. You sound exactly like a Muslim.