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freespeechforever says

a huge swath of the interior of the U.S., including many low-education whites who hadn't voted in years,

You mean as opposed to all of the Mensa Society members in the inner city Liberal Ghettos, that voted for Hillary.

Trump be steadily slaying you fools you just don't funking know!

Ironman says

Oh wait, you got two things right. The economic melt-down will come under Trump's watch, but the reasons for it were set up the last 8 years under Obama.

But Trump will get the blame for it.... After all, IT'S BEEN TWO FUCKING MONTHS!!!!!!

The way they whine.....It must have been 2 terms.

Tim Aurora says

Why don't you just admit that Trump himself does not know what he wants to do.

Sure when you admit Trump probably would have done a better job by now, if there wasn't an all out unprecedented sedition movement against him.
If you don't wonder what Trump would have done by now had he gotten to use his first picks and Micheal Moore and some pickles smugglers in the 9th District court weren't the real power in America per the Media. If you want to be pissed at someone be pissed at the Media and Micheal Moore.
As for me I'm having a ball watching the Machiavellian Rhapsody from the balcony.

Tenpoundbass says

Sure when you admit Trump probably would have done a better job by now, if there wasn't an all out unprecedented sedition movement against him.

Two Months -

1 With opposition from both fake wings of his own party - RINOs and the Koch "Freedom Caucus" Wing
2. Opposition from the opposition party
3. MSM that flat out called for "Not normalizing the Trump presidency" and has been chasing chimeras since he was elected.
4. Absolutely no Honeymoon Period - which is really "unprecedented" and dangerous for democracy. Any other president would still have until the summer, with mostly positive coverage.

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

A broke huckster / reality TV goon has his only shot at DYNASTIC! WEALTH!

Thanks to retard voters.

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

chimeras

I was thinking Chimineas as in burning the Constitution.

Ironman says

The economic melt-down will come under Trump's watch,

Exactly! Republican are in charge. They wanted the job,so DO YOUR JOB!

Some still don't know that Obama is not President.

I like the pot bellied Iron Man.

Ironman says

The economic melt-down will come under Trump's watch, but the reasons for it were set up the last 8 years under Obama.

But Trump will get the blame for it.... After all, IT'S BEEN TWO FUCKING MONTHS!!!!!!

Ironman surrenders. Trump cannot save shit. Obama may have laid the groundwork for what is to come, but it was precisely because he saved the economy from Bush's complete nightmare.

Further, I'd state Trump isn't even working on any of the real issues that hamper the economy right now.

How many of those simple down-home people are going to be pro Trump when the great unwinding happens? Very very few. Obama and Hillary are in the rear-view mirror now, despite however many times tRump and his talking heads want to pull them back in front.

This is Trump's shit show now. Own it Trumpets.

Tenpoundbass says

an all out unprecedented sedition movement against him.

You see sedition. I see people desperately trying to save the institutions which make us America.

Government waste, or over stifling regulation isn't the blame here. You can begrudge bailing out the "too big to fail", but it is kind of like complaining we saved the whole plane, instead of just the seats. We need to build a new plane. Trump's working on that, right?

freespeechforever says

Trump Completely Reverses EVERY Campaign Pledge

On the bright side, some of it is just reality sinking in.
It's in fact reassuring that some that shit is reality based.

anonymous says

which one is the most accurate?

I think the latter because CIC could not afford the former.

Why does everybody try to bait Patrick into deleting threads? I can't recall him doing so.

Ironman says

Care to point out ANYWHERE or in any post where I said that Trump will save the day?? Go ahead.... I'll wait...

So you embrace Trump as a dark destroyer instead?

Ironman says

Right, and after 8 YEARS (instead of 2 MONTHS) where is the economy, besides bouncing along the bottom?

I think you are looking at the charts in the wrong way. This is a top. It may not be a top for wages or the middle/lower class bank accounts, but if you have ANY investments at all, you have experienced a 7 year run-up, in most cases.

This is insanely peak-ey feeling. (see first graphic below!)

Ironman says

At least you're consistent on which side to blame.... what a surprise!!!

A surprise that Bush lead us into a financial disaster, Obama hail-marry saved us with an uneven recovery (but provided a stable/if sluggish economy), and now Trump inherits weak positive growth but hastens a retreat by blunder and general ass-hattery ... yeah. That's the actual story.

http://www.macrotrends.net/2481/stock-market-performance-by-president

Rew says

A surprise that Bush lead us into a financial disaster, Obama hail-marry saved us with an uneven recovery (but provided a stable/if sluggish economy), and now Trump inherits weak positive growth but hastens a retreat by blunder and general ass-hattery ... yeah. That's the actual story.

Not sure what you mean here with regards to Trump. I do know Trump has inspired tremendous confidence for businesses, both small and large. Something Obama was never able to do.

Ironman says

Now, we had a 3000 point rise in 4 MONTHS since Trump won in November, and that's with NO Printing (QE) because QE ended in the Fall of 2014. Plus, we had rate increases by the FED too. In spite of that, your 401K is looking a lot "sportier" since November, isn't it???

Yes, feel free to Blame that on TRUMP!!!

Damn Trump. Screwed all the bears that did not believe in him.

Some of you are clearly just jealous of Trump.

Booger says

Some of you are clearly just jealous of Trump.

There was a misprint. The press omitted the word "paying".

Ironman says

Yes, feel free to Blame that on TRUMP!

It's nothing that will last. Trump is riding Obama's run up still. There is no substance there. Trump isn't doing anything to address any of the major domestic issues we have, or the imbalance in the economy, which you and I agree is present.

You can continue to defend him as you like, but it seems you don't think he is a savior at all, so I'm not sure what it is you voted for? Looks like you like ineffective cardboard in the shape of a President to me.

I'll give Trump even odds he outdoes Nixon as far as being considered worst US president ever. Yep, and ONLY 4 months in, and it is that easy to see he is going to be a bigly contender for that spot.

Strategist says

Damn Trump. Screwed all the bears that did not believe in him.

Zero change in economic policy, except pushing for deregulation.

I await his amazing tax plan. The people are going to eat him alive.

Rew says

I'll give Trump even odds he outdoes Nixon as far as being considered worst US president ever.

As a president Nixon wasn't bad. He had some substantial accomplishments. As a paranoid control freak he was pretty bad. Sorry but GWB is going to be very hard to beat as worst president ever, even though the neocon chicken hawks still believe in the mission accomplished thing.

A personal opinion based on your definition of "worst".
Everyone's definition of "worst" will be influenced by their personal pet peeves...

bob2356 says

Sorry but GWB is going to be very hard to beat as worst president ever

"DELETE IF YOU MUST"

drama much?

Rew says

or the imbalance in the economy, which you and I agree is present.

You havent been paying attention.

BlueSardine says

A personal opinion based on your definition of "worst".

Everyone's definition of "worst" will be influenced by their personal pet peeves...

Destabilizing the entire mid east, invading a country on totally false information with thousands of american soldiers killed, and the second worst financial crises in the history of the republic is a pretty comprehensive accomplishment list by anyone's pet peeve standard. I voted for that moron in 2000. I left the republican party because of that moron.

Try Lyndon Johnson, the faked gulf of tomkin incident(s),
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

and :

Deaths in Vietnam War (1965–1974) per Guenter Lewy
Allied military deaths 282,000
NVA/VC military deaths 444,000
Civilian deaths (North and South Vietnam) 627,000
Total deaths 1,353,000

I'm pretty sure "million" tops "thousands"...

bob2356 says

BlueSardine says

A personal opinion based on your definition of "worst".


Everyone's definition of "worst" will be influenced by their personal pet peeves...

Destabilizing the entire mid east, invading a country on totally false information with thousands of american soldiers killed, and the second worst financial crises in the history of the republic is a pretty comprehensive accomplishment list by anyone's pet peeve standard. I voted for that moron in 2000. I left the republican party because of that moron.

BlueSardine says

I'm pretty sure "million" tops "thousands"..

i'm pretty sure too. Now want to talk about the great economic collapse of the 60's (there was none) and how Vietnam created violence and chaos around the world (it didn't). Johnson fucked up in Vietnam, Bush hit the fuckup trifecta. Smith and Wesson beats 4 aces.

http://www.heritage.org/energy-economics/commentary/coals-colossal-comeback

Liberals have been saying that Donald Trump was lying to the American people when he said that he could bring coal jobs back. Well, so far, he has delivered on his promise.

Since the low point in October 2016, and following years of painful layoffs in the mining industry, the mining sector has added 35,000 jobs.

There's more good news for the coal industry. Earlier this month, Peabody Energy — America's largest coal producer — moved out of bankruptcy, and its stock is actively trading again. Its market cap had sunk by almost 90% during Barack Obama's years in office. Arch Coal is also out of bankruptcy.

You have to love heritage.org. They are the best liars on the planet. Note the phrase "mining jobs" not coal mining jobs. That's because the "mining jobs" are actually fracking jobs. Only heritage would try to claim fracking jobs are coal mining. http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/7/15216938/trump-manufacturing-coal-mining-jobs

Booger says

Since the low point in October 2016, and following years of painful layoffs in the mining industry, the mining sector has added 35,000 jobs.

Got to love heritage.org. They are the best liars on the planet, bar none. Note the phrase is mining jobs, not coal mining jobs. That's because there hasn't been any coal mining jobs. The "mining jobs" are actually fracking jobs. Only heritage could seriously claim fracking is coal mining. http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/4/7/15216938/trump-manufacturing-coal-mining-jobs

freespeechforever says

(Patrick, king of free speech forum, delete if you must)

His childish attempt at reverse pschology.

Nope.
Fail.
Dead people beats world chaos and economic collapse every time.
Put a factual number on how many deaths world chaos and economic collapse caused during the bush years.
Then you can join the party...

bob2356 says

BlueSardine says

I'm pretty sure "million" tops "thousands"..

i'm pretty sure too. Now want to talk about the great economic collapse of the 60's (there was none) and how Vietnam created violence and chaos around the world (it didn't). Johnson fucked up in Vietnam, Bush hit the fuckup trifecta. Smith and Wesson beats 4 aces.

http://thehill.com/regulation/329720-study-trump-has-eliminated-86b-in-regs

Study: Trump has eliminated $86B in regs

President Trump has saved taxpayers more than $86 billion in regulatory costs during his first three months in the White House, according to a new study from a conservative group.

The American Action Forum (AAF) points to several Obama-era regulations that Trump has either rolled back on his own or with the help of Republican lawmakers using the Congressional Review Act (CRA).

This includes the Education Department’s school accountability standards, the Environmental Protection Agency’s waters of the United States rule and the so-called “blacklisting” rule for government contractors.

These are just a few examples mentioned in the report. Since taking office, Trump and Congress have repealed 13 rules with the CRA. The CRA allows lawmakers to overturn recent rules they disapprove of with a simple majority in Congress, and send the action to the president for his signature.

“Just as there are fiscal costs for new significant rules, there can be savings from repealing old rules through comprehensive regulatory reform,” said Sam Batkins, director of regulatory policy at the AAF.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-launches-trade-probe-targeting-chinese-steel-163715335--finance.html

Trump launches trade probe targeting Chinese steel

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump launched an investigation on Thursday to determine whether Chinese and other foreign-made steel threatens U.S. national security, raising the possibility of new tariffs and triggering a rally in U.S. steel stocks.

At an Oval Office ceremony where he was surrounded by U.S. steel executives, Trump signed a memorandum ordering the Commerce Department to conduct a speedy probe into the impact of steel imports on the U.S. defense industrial base at a time when he is ordering new ships, planes and tanks to be built.

"Steel is critical to both our economy and our military. This is not an area where we can afford to become dependent on foreign countries," Trump said.

U.S. Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross cast the decision to initiate the probe as a response to Chinese exports of steel into the United States reaching the point where they now have 26 percent of the market.

Chinese steel imports are up nearly 20 percent in the early months of this year alone, he said.

Ross said Chinese steel exports have continued to rise "despite repeated Chinese claims that they were going to reduce their steel capacity when in fact they have been increasing it consistently."

"It's a very serious impact on the domestic industry," Ross said at a White House briefing with reporters.

He said if the U.S. steel industry is deemed to be suffering from too much steel imports, he will recommend retaliatory steps that could include tariffs to ensure that steel imports no longer threaten U.S. national security.

Trump signed a directive asking for a speedy probe under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 at a White House event that included chief executives of several U.S. steel companies. The law allows the president to impose restrictions on imports for reasons of national security.

News of the move triggered a rally for steel stocks, including Steel Dynamics Inc, AK Steel, US Steel, Nucor, Cliffs Natural Resources, and Allegheny Technologies.

Administration officials said there are national security implications from imports of steel alloys that are used in products such as the armor plating of ships and require a lot of expertise to create and produce.

The move is another step in Trump's "America First" policies in which he has tried to boost U.S. manufacturers and preserve American jobs. Trump won many votes in industrial Midwestern states like Michigan and Pennsylvania with a pledge to boost manufacturing and crack down on Chinese trade practices.

U.S. Steel said China and other countries that have exported steel to the United States have cost U.S. manufacturing tens of thousands of jobs.

“For too long, China and other nations have been conducting economic warfare against the American steel industry by subsidizing their steel industries, distorting global markets, and dumping excess steel into the United States. The effects have been staggering," a U.S. Steel statement said.

The Commerce Department will have 270 days to complete the probe. Ross said he expected it to be done much sooner. Trump's directive asked that the investigation be conducted with all deliberate speed. Ross, a former steel executive, said the investigation was "self-initiated."

The American Iron and Steel Institute, which lobbies on behalf of the industry, said it supports the White House move.

"Massive global steel overcapacity has resulted in record levels of dumped and subsidized foreign steel coming into the U.S. and the loss of nearly 14,000 steel jobs," said institute President Thomas Gibson in a statement.

"The administration launching this investigation is an impactful way to help address the serious threat posed by these unfair foreign trade practices."

Further, I'd state Trump isn't even working on any of the real issues that hamper the economy right now.

How many of those simple down-home people are going to be pro Trump when the great unwinding happens? Very very few. Obama and Hillary are in the rear-view mirror now, despite however many times tRump and his talking heads want to pull them back in front.

This is Trump's shit show now. Own it Trumpets.