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I am personally a fan of the Sikh religion, though I don't think I could ever be a believer there either. Have known quite a few SIkhs in the Bay Area and found them to be excellent people, sincerely happy and willing to help others.

I visited the Sikh temple in Fremont with a Sikh friend years ago. The only disturbing bit was large pictures of guys with guns who died in battles with the Indian army. The religion is quite martial, emphasizing fitness and discipline, which makes sense because of its history as the defenders of India against Islamic invaders.

It's like what Islam could be if Mohammed had not personally been such a loser. While the essence of Islam is holding a massive butt-hurt grudge against the whole non-Islamic world, Sikhism is nothing like that as far as I can tell. If you want to leave Sikhism, you can simply do that, unlike Islam where they have to kill you. Like one Sikh put it: "The penalty for leaving Sikhism is that you are no longer a Sikh."

Why didn't he use his kirpan for self-defense?

Interesting point. The guys with the turbans also all generally have that knife. They are obligated to have 5 things:

Kesh (uncut hair)
Kara (a steel bracelet)
Kanga (a wooden comb)
Kaccha - also spelt, Kachh, Kachera (cotton underwear)
Kirpan (steel sword)

rando says

Interesting point. The guys with the turbans also all generally have that knife. They are obligated to have 5 things:

Kesh (uncut hair)

Kara (a steel bracelet)

Kanga (a wooden comb)

Kaccha - also spelt, Kachh, Kachera (cotton underwear)

Kirpan (steel sword)

Not "generally", but always. Even in California, where carrying concealed dirk/dagger is generally prohibited but AG simply don't prosecute Sikhs for carrying kirpans.

This happened in sanfran.... Perhaps a better reaction would be fuck San Francisco.

CBOEtrader says

This happened in sanfran.... Perhaps a better reaction would be fuck San Francisco.

And most probably it was just a road rage incident with "hate crime" part just tacked on. Because turban!

Is the victim a taxi driver by any chance?

Back to the original topic, a good summary of the differences:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_and_Sikhism

Pretty much every Indian I met hates Islam and Muslims and doesn't hide that fact. Islam is a minority religion in India, just large enough to be very much disliked.

CBOEtrader says

mistook a crime done by 2 hooligans in sanfranciso as Texas

The perpetrators were both from Texas. The crime does not look like "road rage," either: they took the time to cut his hair, enforcing conformity, like when Romnesia did the same to a gay kid.

Just as Romnesia didn't speak for all of Michigan, the perpetrators don't speak for all of Texas; only most of it. I love some of Texas and some Texans but most of their elected representatives tend to be terrible and create a really bad impression nationwide. Look whom Texans tend to elect: Lying Ted Cruise, W Bush, etc. I miss Ann Richards and Molly Ivins, and I wish Ron Paul had continued longer.

Quigley says

The Sikh didn't deserve the attack much like the concert attendees in Manchester didn't deserve to be blown apart.

You know what would make everything better? Importing more MENA Rapefugees.

yeah, hoping that it will come back in favor again...coal just has no hype or hipness factor going

Apo, you're wrong.

Sikhs are not dedicated to the extermination of Islam.

It's Islam which is dedicated to your extermination, and the extermination of everyone who fails to convert to Islam, or to pay the jizya ransom every year (special offer for Christians and Jews only, all others must die, no ransom allowed).

Read the Koran and the Hadith. "Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them".

http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Abualrub/jihad.htm

marcus says

When will CBOE retract ?

Retract what? Be specific

There remains direct evidence for Seth rich being the DNC leaker to wikileaks

The Russian hacker story was shredded in the last few days by Kim dotcom, and Brennan himself.

You have suspicious meta data....or rather it may be suspicious except its been investigated every which way possible. Still nothing

You know what hasn't been
investigated?

When will you admit you are wrong about Russia?

BTW, here is a less partisan presentation of Brennan's testimony:

"Former CIA director John Brennan said Tuesday he doesn't know whether there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian officials in the 2016 election, but he left office in January with "unresolved questions" about whether Russia had been successful in getting Trump campaign officials to act on its behalf "either wittingly or unwittingly."
***
"I don't know if such collusion — your words — existed," Brennan told the committee. "I don't know."

That doesn't explain very much, tbh. Too much of the MSM have become too partisan and sensationalist.

rando says

I visited the Sikh temple in Fremont with a Sikh friend years ago.

Was that the SIKH temple that the neighbors complained about because the color scheme didn't fit in with the neighborhood?

Probably. The place was very Indian, and they are not afraid of bright colors.

The turban triggered CBOE.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

The Media needs to stop mistaking Sikhs for Muslims, as several outlets, including Cosmopolitan, did the other day.

Such a tragedy.

I have no problems with Sikhs wearing their Sikh garbs, but they do look like the Taliban, even more than Muslims do. They will always be in danger.
If I was a Sikh, I would stop wearing Sikh garbs.

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

rando says

Sikhs are not dedicated to the extermination of Islam.

What? Then why are they letting them into the states?

Our government thought they were Muslims.

Strategist says

If I was a Sikh, I would stop wearing Sikh garbs.

Then you'd stop being a Sikh. See Patrick's post above about "5 things".

Here is the problem, the majority of Americans no longer trust their government..... THAT is the most dangerous fact anyone needs to understand.

So I made a weird trade today, took my first 2017 IRA contribution and put it into shares of BAC-L, a convertible noncumulative preferred issue.

http://www.quantumonline.com/search.cfm?tickersymbol=BAC-L&sopt=symbol

This is a weird duck because it is convertible to 20 shares of common if & when BAC hits $65 (currently around $24), and in the meantime it's paying ~6%.

I had bought some in 1Q09 at a ~50% discount to its $1000 issue value (wish I had held onto it!).

The board stopped the $18/share dividend checks in 3Q08, but restarted them in 2014.

Seems like a pretty good get-it-and-forget-it stock, if 2009 couldn't kill BAC I don't think anything can.

Guess price can't go up a lot, given the forced conversion into 20 shares of common.

But aside from the ARLP-like yield I'm getting it for the housing market hedge -- nothing I'd like more than to lose my shirt on this position, if it meant home prices were back down to 2011 levels (which is what it would take to kill BAC again, hopefully)

http://www.quantumonline.com/search.cfm?tickersymbol=WFC-L&sopt=symbol

is a similar preferred, a holdover from Wachovia's preferred issues, about the same yield.

It is rare to see a fake news event of this magnitude, perpetrated with such extreme ignorance and ineptitude, spread by people who should honestly know better but who, in the Age of Trump, simply do not care anymore. As Wall Street Journal editor Sohrab Ahmari pointed out (repeatedly, yet to no avail), the organization in question wasn’t “Ivanka’s Woman Entrepreneurs Fund” or an “Ivanka Fund” or “Ivanka’s charity,” and it wasn’t comparable to the Clinton Foundation in the slightest.

It was, rather, “a World Bank initiative that Ivanka is championing.” As NPR put it, the fund was merely “inspired” by Ivanka Trump: “While Ivanka Trump proposed the idea along with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, she is not involved with its operation.”

http://thefederalist.com/2017/05/23/13-major-fake-news-stories-just-five-months-trumps-presidency/

Tim Aurora says

By all 17 spy agencies. If that is not acceptable to you, stop posting on this thread as for you, any amount of evidence will NOT convince you

That's funny, what I read in the report from these collected spy agencies is that there were correlations and maybes and no definite proof to be had! But it "looked like" it could have happened? And that's proof? There was so much lawyer speak in their report it was impossytonsay exactly what their conclusions were, and that's because the top spy bosses were being pressured to come up with the "right" conclusion: that Russia did it. So they issued this silly report of speculations with a slant toward the DNC fantasy position.

If US policy makers do not have "contacts and interactions" between themselves and the russkies, then they are derelict in their duties...
That's their fuckin job description, you moron...

Tim Aurora says

In his testimony before the House Intelligence Committee hearing Tuesday morning, former CIA director John Brennan bluntly told lawmakers that during the 2016 election, he reviewed intelligence that showed “contacts and interactions” between Russian actors and people associated with the Trump campaign

In this day and age, everybody hacks everybody.
Complete nothingburger...

Tim Aurora says

That is such a ruse, Russian hacking is already proved, no need to turn over any documents

Hey! Or at least had an opportunity!

YesYNot says

BlueSardine says

As 3d technology advances putting people virtually at any spot in the world at any moment, it is fair to say that the whole fuckin world 'came' to inauguraton.

LOL. Everybody in the world watched it with their 3d glasses. Everybody!

Quigley says

Tim Aurora says

By all 17 spy agencies. If that is not acceptable to you, stop posting on this thread as for you, any amount of evidence will NOT convince you

That's funny, what I read in the report from these collected spy agencies is that there were correlations and maybes and no definite proof to be had! But it "looked like" it could have happened? And that's proof? There was so much lawyer speak in their report it was impossytonsay exactly what their conclusions were, and that's because the top spy bosses were being pressured to come up with the "right" conclusion: that Russia did it. So they issued this silly report of speculations with a slant toward the DNC fantasy position.

Watched Ron Paul's liberty report w julian assange. He described this as reverse pyramid intelligence (or something like that). Wherein they start with a theory at the top, then go find any corroborating coincidences, meta data, etc... to support the original theory. It is the ultimate confirmation bias. Give me the man, I'll show you the crime.

The DNC is the laughing stock of the world. Stealing primaries, fixing debates, sending undercover fake protesters, spying on the competition using non-existent FISA warrant evidence, threatening national security with this new red scare, and making up stories to cover their crimes. There are at least 5 spots in prison waiting for this crime gang, hopefully more.

BlueSardine says

If US policy makers do not have "contacts and interactions" between themselves and the russkies, then they are derelict in their duties...

That's their fuckin job description, you moron...

Tim Aurora says

In his testimony before the House Intelligence Committee hearing Tuesday morning, former CIA director John Brennan bluntly told lawmakers that during the 2016 election, he reviewed intelligence that showed “contacts and interactions” between Russian actors and people associated with the Trump campaign

Yeah they found 18! I have 18 contacts in a single fantasy football chain.

This is such an overwhelming nothingburger. The democrats have been glamoured by red scare propaganda.

rando says

in the Age of Trump, simply do not care anymore.

People decided to fight lies with lies? The truth doesn't matter anymore? Who would have thought?

Why do Republican allow enemies & traitors in their midst?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-saudi-king-award-curtsy_us_5920bc20e4b094cdba548e9c?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

CBOEtrader says

The DNC is the laughing stock of the world. Stealing primaries, fixing debates, sending undercover fake protesters, spying on the competition using non-existent FISA warrant evidence, threatening national security with this new red scare, and making up stories to cover their crimes. There are at least 5 spots in prison waiting for this crime gang, hopefully more.

And now demanding the Capitol Police Chief return property involved in a blackmail and secrets for sale scandal with Pakistani Brothers who worked for Dem House Offices.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

involved in a blackmail and secrets for sale scandal with Pakistani Brothers who worked for Dem House Offices.

Is that what the video was about? If it was part of an ongoing case, why didn't the PC just answer DWS in the affirmative?

Tim Aurora says

And why is Robert Flynn, Trump's Security adviser taking the fifth

http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/22/flashback-trump-asked-why-an-innocent-person-would-plead-the-fifth-video/

Ask susan rice...OR...use all that meta data to identify a crime and press charges. Are you ready admit you've been lied to yet?

Tim Aurora says

Kim Dotcom, a nobody looking for some publicity

CBOEtrader says

RIght, he was only the leader of the world's biggest File Sharing platform. Before Obama paid back his MPAA donors by trying to get him deported and tried in the US. it's gone so far that neoliberal NZ Politicians have gutted the formerly top notch internet freedom laws, and are looking for any technicality they can manufacture to send him to the USA.

Trump should pardon. One, because it's right and defends Internet Providers form vicious IP Trolls. Two, because he should slap the shit out of his opponents in Hollywierd.

Tim Aurora says

If we were wrong ( no prima facia evidence ), there would not be a special prosecutor appointed by a Trump appointee .

Mueller is investigating the potential of a Russia Hack. There is no prosecution.

CBOEtrader says

Are you ready admit you've been lied to yet?

This is what you should ask yourself each morning as you take a deep breath and prepare to shave.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Trump should pardon. One, because it's right and defends Internet Providers form vicious IP Trolls.

I highly doubt Trump will take the side of people over the music/movie industry. But he does have some interest in furthering the Seth Rich controversy, so who knows.

Tim Aurora says

Reference please and that does not include his statement saying that "he cannot comment"

I did. There is no evidence. The meta-data (not evidence) was used to justify massive spying programs. https://patrick.net/1306572/2017-05-25-brennan-admits-the-dnc-russia-lie-and-trump-spying-fuck-the-dnc-at-least-5-spots-in-prison-for-this-crime-gang