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2017 May 25, 9:24am 66,611 views 220 comments
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curious2
2017 Jun 7, 11:21am
Poll is nearly 2 years old.
The Syrian war started 7 years ago, over the pipeline deals. The Iraq war started 14 years ago, over alleged WMD. Can you find any evidence that Syrians have changed their minds in the last two years about what started the wars a decade ago? And can you find anything that says they blame a drought? That was the context that you jumped into, Rew claimed it's all due to the weather, nothing we can do about the weather other than spread terrorists, making the European "climate" more like the Syrian "climate".
And the poll doesn't ask the correct question. "Is US responsible for ISIS" is different than "Is the US the cause of the war."
FortWayne
2017 Jun 7, 11:25am
Stop voting for Democrats who pander to terrorists
Easiest solution
Our foreign policy and national defense vary by insignificant measures depending on who (D or R) is in office. These things are really unchanged no matter who is at the helm.
But that's a nice R talking point you have there.
D - oh they are not our enemies, muslims good people bring them here as much as possible.
R - immigration ban from muslim extremist nations.
Yeah those are are same in your book I guess right...
This is likely the article Rew was referencing. Obviously impossible to prove root cause, but likely a contributing factor.
The war started 7 years ago, over the pipeline deals. ... And can you find anything that says they blame a drought?
I do not think both of these are mutually exclusive. Perhaps drought (combined with highest reproduction rates in Middle East) and resulting poverty made fomenting the strife (by parties interested in pipelines) easier.
curious2
2017 Jun 7, 11:32am
doesn't ask the correct question
It asks several questions, and if you follow the link you can download the questions and answers. If you can find a poll claiming they blame the weather, specifically a drought, then please do post that, it would help Rew achieve some credibility that he lacks currently.
For more about who's at fault, you can read further here.
Yep--I read all the questions. None of which was "who do you blame for starting the war"
curious2
2017 Jun 7, 11:36am
Yep--I read all the questions. None of which was "who do you blame for starting the war"
OK, find a survey asking the question in a way you would prefer, preferably asking about droughts.
contributing factor.
Again, I've seen videos from Syria showing fighters shooting at each other across verdant fields. It's tough to farm a free fire zone. Islam produces many problems, including birth rates that drive hijrah, but the current catastrophe results primarily from war.
Lots of places get droughts. California had a drought recently. If we had a war, you'd see the difference.
BTW, this is a thread about terrorism, which has been driving Islamic migration and jihad.
It's not the way I prefer. It's the way you implied it was asked.
You obviously misunderstand the theory. The hypothesis is that drought caused a lot of able bodied, young men to migrate to overcrowded cities. The kindling that could be easily set on fire, as it were.
Once the war started, it's not unusual that the chaos would cause some good land to go unfarmed. And that doesn't disprove the Smithsonian theory, either.
curious2
2017 Jun 7, 11:47am
It's not the way I prefer. It's the way you implied it was asked.
As of 2012, when the war had barely started, most Syrians supported President Assad.
Can you please try to relate your comments to the OP topic, which is about terrorism, and try to find data rather than merely trying to find fault?
This little exchange began when Rew forgot 3,000 Americans killed by Islamic terrorists on 9/11, and blamed the Syrian war on drought rather than Islamic terrorism and misguided wars. He advocated spreading jihadis because they are "climate refugees" from the alleged drought, when in fact they are Muslims participating in hijrah driven by NATO at the behest of MIC and KSA influence. Please try to post something relevant, preferably with data.
You obviously misunderstand the theory.
I understand the "theory" all too well, and have read more than enough about it, as the current AGW grant bonanza has caused vast historical revisionism going back centuries. Sunshine and darkness are also contributing factors to almost everything that happens on earth but they are not particularly relevant to this thread. Droughts have happened elsewhere without producing these results.
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Jun 7, 11:51am
Also forgotten: Many "Moderate Jihadis" and ISIS groups came into Syria from Iraq.
Rew
2017 Jun 7, 11:51am
Some of your other comments show a lot of enthusiasm for war, e.g. bombing Syria.
Yes, I am a globalist cuck.
Assad lost control of his country, and then brutally held onto power at the end of a rifle, repeatedly using chemical weapons on his own populations.
Most people would say the situation in Syria results from (a) the Iraq war, (b) ISIL, (c) Hillary's War in Libya funneling weapons into Syria via rat line, (d) the NATO/Saudi war in Syria. Certainly most Syrians blame America and foreign fighters.
Unfortunately popular opinion is often not a good indicator of reality, though I do blame the US in a large part for what has occurred, especially now.
Assad's failure to cope with domestic unrest, and cracking down on freedoms, reformation, and protest movements is where the civil war in Syria originated. ISIS wasn't around at this time. The Arab Spring came to Syria, perpetuated by a severe drought, and Assad lost control. International intervention into the region is only AFTER this took hold. ISIS is also an after effect, as ISI was essentially defeated, but found the Syrian chaos a soil it could regrow in.
Rew claimed it's all due to the weather ...
There are other factors, but the primary causation of the uprising against Assad is absolutely driven by lack of water and bad governance in dealing with it. Revolutions are things made from desperation.
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Jun 7, 11:52am
ISIS attacks Paris
ISIS attacks Nice
ISIS attacks Germany
ISIS attacks London
ISIS attacks Manchester
ISIS attacks Orlando
ISIS tries to take over Libya
ISIS tries to take over Syria
ISIS tries to take over Iraq
Clearly the culprit is Climate Change.
Rew
2017 Jun 7, 12:01pm
Very easy and good argument to be made that ISIS exists due to climate change caused sever drought in Syria. Yes.
curious2
2017 Jun 7, 12:07pm
due to climate change
Unbelievable. Again, sunshine and darkness are "contributing factors" to practically everything that happens on earth, but are not particularly relevant to the OP topic.
Returning to the topic of the thread, Islamic terrorist groups including ISIL/Daesh arise due to what Islam says and does. The American military made a much bigger difference than climate: in Iraq, Americans incarcerated Sunni fundamentalists together with senior Baathist officers, who combined and formed ISIL. If you look at the senior leaders and early fighters, they met for the first time and got to know each other while imprisoned together by American forces at Camp Bucca. 80% of Syrians are correct: America created this particular problem.
And spreading terrorists is never a solution to anything, unless you're looking to spread Islam and grow the revenues of an MIC mass surveillance contractor.
Shaman
2017 Jun 7, 12:13pm
The answer to every question: "climate change!"
That's pretty much all that Rew has contributed here.
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Jun 7, 3:14pm
The crude nature of their attack has seen police admit “the threat has changed†and prompted a review of how police are forced to prioritise among 500 current investigations with over 3000 subjects of interest in the UK alone.
Ways for British police to marshal more resources:
1. Release all the men and equipment sent to beseige Julian Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy.
2. Release all Police assigned to investigate Butthurt On The Internet, Graffiti, Nasty Words on the Tram and other kinds of "Hate Speech" - reassign them to lower priority terror cases.
3. Immediately halt all MENA immigration until a later time.
4. Send undercover agents to Mosques rather than hope for warnings from Muslims.
Patrick
2017 Jun 7, 3:16pm
Release all Police assigned to investigate Butthurt On The Internet, Graffiti, Nasty Words on the Tram and other kinds of "Hate Speech" - reassign them to lower priority terror cases.
Lol, this is the best one.
curious2
2017 Jun 7, 3:58pm
Ways for British police to marshal more resources:
Ways for Britain to marshal more police resources:
1) quit funding schools that promote Islam, divert that money to anti-terror police;
2) end polygamous family dole with a one-year notice period, during which recipients can choose either or both of the following:
a) free ticket to Mecca on condition they can never come back;
b) renounce polygamy and the polygamous dole, and comply instead with British law.
In fairness to others not on the dole, offer everyone a free ticket to Mecca on condition that anyone going there can never return to Britain under any circumstances. It would cost a bit in the short term, but save money in the long term.
Send undercover agents to Mosques rather than hope for warnings from Muslims.
That's kind of like hoping hell to freeze over but some people here can't grasp that
Y
2017 Jul 7, 5:40am
This is the belly of the beast.
The more you let in, the fewer resources you have to monitor them, the easier it is for the bad apples to plan and execute..
The crude nature of their attack has seen police admit “the threat has changed†and prompted a review of how police are forced to prioritise among 500 current investigations with over 3000 subjects of interest in the UK alone.
Y
2017 Jul 7, 5:42am
eventually you will be overwhelmed by the sheer number of immigrants, and then overrun by their offspring who have not assimilated...
Invasion from the outside, victory from within..
Y
2017 Jul 7, 5:45am
If this continues trump will have been proven right.
The west does not want freedom anymore.
Y
2017 Jul 7, 5:51am
buy up all sources of halai food, then cease production or triple prices to force action within the muslim community.
people gotta eat, and if they are forced to eat what is prohibited by islam, eventually it will fall off it's pedestal, along with the sharia shit...
Ways for British police to marshal more resources:
Y
2017 Jul 7, 5:53am
special tax on immigrants wages to pay for monitoring the bad ones.
they will weed out the bad ones themselves.
Ways for British police to marshal more resources:
Patrick
2017 Jul 7, 6:11am
In the UK this week, a right wing think tank released a study alleging Saudi Arabia has spent £67 billion (US$87 billion) to export its austere Wahhabi interpretation of Islam around the world. The report by the Henry Jackson Foundation has increased pressure on the British government to make public a study on Saudi Arabia’s role in inciting extremism in Britain.
Saudi Arabia is the core of the problem.
curious2
2017 Jul 7, 12:00pm
Saudi Arabia is the core of the problem.
It is as Churchill warned nearly a century ago. He called Islam a "retrogade force," and Wahhabi Islam an even worse subset, and identified the House of Saud by name as "very dangerous." He said the Saudi Wahhabis "hold it as an article of duty, as well as of faith, to kill all who do not share their opinions and to make slaves of their wives and children." American foreign policy erred terribly in empowering the House of Saud, but Petrodollar baksheesh and deficit spending enabled by Nixon's deals have so deeply corrupted America's capital city that hardly anyone dares question it.
Rew
2017 Jul 7, 7:53pm
A bear, a buffoon, and a fractured union.
Germany may well be the country my sons are working to protect in the next World War.
Poland, as always, you are fucked.
zzyzzx
2017 Jul 25, 11:04am
This is what in Spain happens when someone screams "Allah Akhbar" and has a knife out:
www.youtube.com/embed/80l5GmxxYl4
Strategist
2017 Jul 25, 11:21am
Kashmiri separatists planning chemical attacks, clips reveal. Indians have reason to worry after a national TV channel aired an audio clip on Wednesday revealing a terrorist plan to use chemical weapons against security forces in Jammu and Kashmir.
The revelation comes after a terror attack on Amarnath pilgrims that killed seven in Batingoo, near Anantnag, late on Monday.
Islamic terrorists have always used every weapon they have managed to get their hands on. If they manage to inflict severe harm with chemical weapons, it won't be long before Time Square NY becomes a cemetery. These freaks must be stopped at all costs anywhere in the world. Hunt them down, capture them, interrogate them, torture them, and shoot them.
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The most important thing is to tell the truth no matter how much they shout "Islamophobia!"
The media and most of our so-called "leaders" still refuse to tell the truth that Islamic terrorism is caused by Islam itself.
Some countries in Europe have gone so far as to make it illegal to tell the truth about Islam. It takes courage to fight Islamic bombs and hate with mere words of sincere honesty, especially when you will be mocked by the media, perhaps fired from your job, and maybe even fined or imprisoned.
Bogus arguments that you can easily refute:
What if those things are true, and well documented by Muslims themselves? Doesn't that make Muslim apologists Truthophobic?
Then how do you explain Islamic murder of random innocent people in Denmark, Sweden, Germany, Argentina, Russia, Nigeria, Kenya, India, China, Thailand, Bali, the Phillipinies, etc? They had nothing to do with US policy in the Mideast.
It is, however, valid to point out that Islamic terror in each country generally followed Saudi funding of Wahhabi madrassas (Koranic schools) in that country, and that America always supports Saudi Arabia no matter what they do. So it is Americas fault to some degree, for supporting Saudi Arabia. And it is also true that George W Bush's attack on Iraq in bogus "retaliation" for the Saudi attack on America on 9/11 greatly inflamed the existing problem. Bush should be in jail for starting a war under false pretenses.
No, terrorism is the deliberate murder of random unarmed civilians. America does not try to kill civilians. If we did try, they would all be dead.
The only reason we are not all dead is that the Islamic world is so weak and ineffective.
Not it's not. Most terrorists are fairly well educated and not poor. In fact, propensity to Islamic terrorism increases with income and education. Osama bin Laden was very rich.
Islamic terrorism is motivated mainly by a desire to prove devotion to Islam to other Muslims, and to one's family. "See, look how many kuffar I killed! Aren't you proud?" The horrifying part is that most so-called "moderate" Muslims and the families of terrorists are indeed proud of the terrorists for "fighting back" against dirty unbelievers by killing random unarmed civilians, such as teen girls in Manchester.
No, Muslims were always this way. What's different is that now they can use the Internet, and especially YouTube, to share and amplify their resentment of all non-Muslims and their bomb-making techniques. Google helps terrorists by spreading terrorist ideology via YouTube.
If you've done anything to offend Muslims, it's simply being part of a successful, generally happy and tolerant non-Muslim society, clearly proving that Islam is not only unnecessary, but obviously a huge impediment to success, happiness, and tolerance.
See https://patrick.net/1306992/2017-06-05-saudi-arabia-egypt-bahrain-uae-cuts-off-diplomatic-relations-with-qatar#comment-1416821
So rarely as to make the comparison comical. The difference is about 1,000-fold. For every Christian attack on an abortion clinic there are about 1,000 Islamic attacks on random people. See http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
No, Jesus himself did not rob, rape, or kill anyone. Mohammed robbed, raped, and killed lots of people. For just one example of many, Mohammed murdered Safiya's father, then tortured her husband to death to get him to tell the location of his money, then raped her the same day, according to Islamic history.
There is no exhortation to hate in the New Testament, but butt-hurt resentment of non-Muslims is the main theme of the Koran and the hadith. See https://patrick.net/Islam
It is true that the Old Testament has some similarities to Islam in its very harsh punishments for violating its rules, and some genocidal wars.
No, Islam allows Jews and Christians to remain alive (outside of Saudi Arabia) but only if they pay an annual ransom (jizya) to Muslims under deliberately humiliating conditions, and "feel themselves subdued". Hindus, athiests, and members of other religions are officially not allowed to live at all, and must be killed, according to Islam. No other religion is allowed to exist in Saudi Arabia. No synagogues or churches, no torahs or bibles allowed.
Anyone who leaves Islam must also be killed, according to Islam. And this is actually the law in many Islamic countries.
Not the same "Jesus" at all. Muslims believe that Jesus was a Muslim first of all, and was never crucified and reject the whole story about his redeeming mankind with his own sacrifice. They also believe he will come back in the final days to kill the Jews. They use the name "Isa" and say he is the same Jesus, but he's obviously a totally different guy with far different ideals. They do not include the gospels at all in their beliefs.
Of course, most Muslims are better human beings than Muslims. If they are friends with you at all, they are already violating Islam, for the Koran says (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends. It's good to be friends with them, and to tell them the truth about Islam because they will listen if you are friendly and don't make it about them personally.
Lying to non-Muslims is officially a praiseworthy part of being a Muslim. Muslims are encouraged to lie about anything that makes Islam look bad. You can easily look up the truth for yourself. See http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ for a good introduction to the truth.
Sorry, but they are actually very authentic Muslims doing what their religion commands them to do. Who are you to tell them they are not Muslim? They are giving their lives for Islam by killing unbelievers. At least they are honest about it. If they are not Islamic, then Mohammed was not Islamic either. The head of ISIS has a PhD in Islamic studies. He knows exactly what he's doing and why.
If someone says "radical Islam", you should ask them which version of the Koran these radicals are reading and acting on. Is it any different from the moderate Muslims' Koran?
True, but most terrorists are indeed Muslim, and most "moderate" Muslims have sympathy for radical Muslims' terrorist attacks. And so we have the saying "Radical Muslims want to kill you. Moderate Muslims want radical Muslims to kill you."
No it isn't. Islam has made murderers out of people of all races. It's very egalitarian that way. Chinese Muslims murder random non-Muslims in China, and Nigerian Muslims murder random non-Muslims in Nigeria. The only thing they have in common is the Islamic teaching to hate and murder non-Muslims.
No, Muslim countries need to open their doors to Muslim refugees, especially oil-rich Muslim countries. The majority of so-called "refugees" are angry young men looking for easy money and easy women in the West. The legitimate Muslim refugees are nonetheless still infected with a very dangerous virus of the mind, and their children often grow up with hate for the host countries that generously took in their parents, such as the Manchester bomber who blew up all those teen girls.
This is true. But we are talking about protecting ourselves from Islam here.
Nope, there are only about 20 shark attacks per year, and Islamic terrorist attacks kill tens of thousands worldwide and are increasing exponentially.
No, the constitution forbids the government from establishing a state religion. Non-citizens may be excluded from entry for any reason or no reason at all. Islam is more than just a religion. It is a violent subversive political movement which demands that secular government be overthrown and replaced with sharia. We banned communists for decades for much less violence and subversion.
No, it's more dangerous to shut up and let your family and civilization die because you were merely too sensitive to speak the truth in time. Muslims are human beings. Deep in their core they know that there is something very wrong with Islam, and they need encouragement from millions of honest people to admit this so that they can free themselves and rejoin the rest of humanity. If you speak with respect and sincerity, they are likely to listen.
They never hear the truth about Islam in their home countries, so it's up to us. Speak up or die.
OK, then Islamic atrocities are now to be expected and tolerated and there is no reason to be alarmed. Please continue moving toward the slaughterhouse in an orderly manner.
Here are some nonviolent ways we can end Islamic terrorism in the West: End all Islamic immigration, instantly revoke citizenship and deport all members of the extended families of anyone who commits terrorism in the West (this idea was proposed by an English Muslim in the wake of the Manchester bombing), allow freedom of speech about Islam, and stop teaching that Islam is a religion of peace, because it is not. And Trump has a good line: Islamic terrorists are losers, so call them that.
If you want to take the long view, stop using foreign oil, and demand that we cut off all diplomatic relations with the ultimate source of almost all terrorism: Saudi Arabia.
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