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84529   Dan8267   2017 Jun 20, 6:29pm  

socal2 says

Huh? Who is "you"? A government bureaucrat or academic who has never even run an ice-cream stand?

I'm not sure I can dumb this down to a level you'll understand, but I'll try.

Porky Pig owns a restaurant. Every day he steals eggs from Daisy Duck and uses them to cook breakfast for the other animals. He charges $5 for a plate of eggs. Since he steals the eggs he uses, producing a plate of egg costs only $3 leaving Porky with $2 in profit.

Governor Disney finds out that Porky has been stealing eggs and puts a stop to it. Now Porky has to pay Daisy for all the eggs he takes. It now costs Porky $8 to produce a plate of eggs. Porky must now charge $8 to break even and $10 to get the same profit margin. Whatever Porky decides to charge, his customers can decide whether or not the new price is worth it or if they would be better off eating at Goofy's Flapjack House.

Before Disney stopped Porky from stealing, Daisy was in effect forced against her will to subsidize Porky's business. This helped Porky a lot, and maybe his customers a little, but at the cost of a far greater expense to both Daisy and Goofy and the society as a whole. This is not free markets. This is socializing the costs of Porky's business while privatizing the profits. It distorts the market and causes misallocation of resources.

It is only after Governor Disney prevented Porky from stealing that we find out the true costs of Porky's product and what is the best allocation of Porky's eggs versus Goofy's flapjacks. If Porky goes out of business, that is the free market saying that Porky should never have been in business in the first place and his business was extremely wasteful, impoverishing society on the whole. If Porky stays in business, it will be at a lesser volume whereas Goofy will get more business. More importantly, the society as a whole will be wealthier.

Polluting is nothing less than the theft of public wealth, specifically the wealth contained in a well-functioning and productive environment. To shift the costs of production of anything from the producers of the product to society at large is theft, no different from what Porky did.

When the government, Disney in our story, stops the theft that does mean the government is setting prices or picking winners and losers. The free market sets the prices but only after the government stops the theft. If the government policy allow and even encourages the theft, then the government is picking winners and losers. By allowing corporations to pollute, our government is undermining the free market by stealing from us all to subsidize businesses that the free hand of the market says are losers.

Is this simple enough for you to understand, or do I need to draw pictures?

84530   anonymous   2017 Jun 21, 8:20am  

I wonder when the 4% down days will stop...

Need a dividend hike announcement soon...

84531   komputodo   2017 Jun 21, 9:08am  

Oh shit, another iceberg just broke free.. God damn it, hurry up and move those numbers on the screen and maybe it will refreeze and stick back together.

84532   WookieMan   2017 Jun 21, 9:13am  

Quick question. If the whole world reduces CO2 output to say 10% of current levels tomorrow and going forward. So a 90% global reduction in CO2 output and it never increases moving forward, even with an increasing population. Does that even stop this? Are we just delaying the inevitable?

I'm not a denier FYI. I'm sking a serious question.

84533   zzyzzx   2017 Jun 21, 9:54am  

OK, so the bottom line is that I won't have to move to Florida when I retire, right?

84534   RWSGFY   2017 Jun 21, 12:57pm  

Dan8267 says

You often site short-term weather in your faulty attempts to discredit global warming.

This is BS unless many links are provided.

84535   RWSGFY   2017 Jun 21, 12:58pm  

Dan8267 says

Rew does have a point that repeated record breaking does indicate climatic changes.

... but record-braking snow levels were dismissed as "weather ergo irrelevant".

84536   anonymous   2017 Jun 21, 1:20pm  

today was brutal for our little coal miner...anyone know what's going on? I saw NO news

84539   curious2   2017 Jun 21, 2:36pm  

2014.10.16 (October 16, 2014)

"If NAC is outperforming, buy NXC. If NXC is outperforming, buy NAC. Then put your buy order in half way between bid and ask."

In less than two years since then:
NXC has returned +14%;
NAC has returned +7%.

84540   Dan8267   2017 Jun 21, 3:13pm  

Straw Man says

Dan8267 says

You often site short-term weather in your faulty attempts to discredit global warming.

This is BS unless many links are provided.

Straw Man says

... but record-braking snow levels were dismissed as "weather ergo irrelevant".

Straw Man says

I only stated the fact that the very same people who dismissed record snow as "weather" accepted a heat wave as something very relevant to GW. So your reply in the vein of "snow is relevant to GW too" is kinda irrelevant to my argument. Can't comment on whether it was effortless - you're the one to judge the amount of effort it took you.

Straw Man says

I see. It's OK to cite a weather event as a proof of climate change and not be considered an idiot if it lasts at least 2 weeks. What about last year's unusually cold and snowy weather in March and April in (Eastern) Europe? Does it count? That anomaly lasted more than 2 weeks for sure.

Straw Man says

Goran_K says

zzyzzx says

Al Gore was wrong!

Yeah, take that guy's nobel prize back. I was freezing putting the garbage cans out last night in August.

+1

When kids refuse to go into pool in August because it's too cold an I'm forced to fire up that heater, we have a problem, Al.

By the way, it's the long-term global temperature trends, not the regional ones. A few broken records in local areas is not evidence of a long-term climate trend. Many repeated years of breaking records across the globe is evidence of a long-term climate trend. And climate change includes more severe weather, not just overall a hotter Earth, although that is a crucial part of the picture particularly related to rising sea levels and the spread of malaria.

84541   Shaman   2017 Jun 21, 3:27pm  

Game of Thrones?

84542   Tenpoundbass   2017 Jun 21, 4:44pm  

It's the Polish buzzard.

84543   curious2   2017 Jun 21, 4:47pm  

The crowned bird seems like a theme in the kingdoms that became Cisleithania:

(Wappen Herzogtum Schlesien)

84545   RWSGFY   2017 Jun 21, 5:12pm  

Made you work. Good.

PS. Jeebus, apparently the TV dorks who need sarcasm alert do have their prototype IRL. :rolleye:

84546   Booger   2017 Jun 21, 5:20pm  

Rotate the picture so that the bird faces up.

Include another picture showing the whole thing. Include something in this picture that we can use as a size reference (I like to use a ruler, but coins are also often used for this purpose).

Information on where obtained is sometimes helpful. For example, if from an estate, information about the deceased might be helpful.

Post all of this here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/history
Someone there will probably know.
A few other subreddits might know as well.

I tend to agree with curious2's first post here.

84547   Dan8267   2017 Jun 21, 5:42pm  

Straw Man says

Made you work. Good.

Made you look like a fool by taking two minutes. Better.

Also made you admit you are a trolling and lying. This destroys your credibility. Also better.

84548   Y   2017 Jun 21, 9:21pm  

0 for 4 and you coming back for more?

84549   Bellingham Bill   2017 Jun 21, 10:04pm  

Democrats pissed off rich conservatives by raising their capital gains taxes to pay for poorer peoples' health insurance subsidies.

This could not be allowed to stand, it's the camel's nose of big-S "Robin Hood" Socialism.

I will say that it saddens me marginally to hear the attacks on AHCA being it cutting taxes on rich people, when in reality it's more of a return to the status quo ante, removing what was imposed in 2013 or whenever.

I hope the GOP passes the meanest bill they dare. Let the electorate feel -- 'good and hard' as the man said -- what the difference is between the center-right Dems and currently far-right GOP.

84550   Rew   2017 Jun 21, 10:04pm  

Despite it being a favorite GOP talking point, it's a total lie. Obamacare didn't pass in a non-partisan way, but it was done in full daylight and exposure to the process.

There is only one reason the current ACHA bill hides in darkness now: it's going to be harmful to people and the GOP is ashamed of it. Trump called the last go 'round "mean". You think this is going to be any gentler? Absolutely not.

84551   Rew   2017 Jun 21, 10:08pm  

Straw Man says

Made you work. Good.

Dan8267 says

This destroys your credibility.

Dead on.

84552   Rew   2017 Jun 21, 10:13pm  

JazzMusic says

the representatives blatant expression of disinterest in the electorate

Appears they will do something horrific and then turn around and skewer Trump as a mends, when the time is right.

84553   Rew   2017 Jun 21, 10:15pm  

curious2 says

Appears they will do something horrific and then turn around and skewer Trump as a mends, when the time is right.

Irrelevant. The full text was made available for ACA. No such thing has happened for the 'Wealthcare' bill.

84554   curious2   2017 Jun 21, 10:28pm  

Rew says

curious2 says

Appears they will do something horrific and then turn around and skewer Trump as a mends, when the time is right.

Irrelevant. The full text was made available for ACA. No such thing has happened for the 'Wealthcare' bill.

I did not write the words that you attributed to me. If you are going to try to quote me, try using the words I wrote. If you want to argue with yourself, leave me out of it.

Meanwhile, you still haven't answered any of my questions here and here.

84555   HEY YOU   2017 Jun 21, 11:31pm  

My investments always go up & never go down.
Notice that no one ever mentions losing money.

84556   Booger   2017 Jun 22, 4:41am  

I was also thinking Prussian, but really can't say why. Germany didn't exist as a country, so the bird could possibly be the emblem of any city or state from any German speaking place.

84557   lostand confused   2017 Jun 22, 6:01am  

My pick in the oil drillers has gone south. But otherwise I am out , parked it in bonds for a bit-lets see.

84558   Y   2017 Jun 22, 6:23am  


84559   Y   2017 Jun 22, 6:24am  


84560   Ceffer   2017 Jun 22, 11:55am  

Bottom line, you cannot legally or ethically become a "reseller" of any prescribed drug. Even if the drug can be demonstrated to be untampered (the assumption being that a prescribed drug in the care, custody and control of and end user is by definition no longer untampered), then the "reseller" is assuming the responsibilities of a licensed prescribing entity "doctor" and a licensed selling entity "pharmacist" for whatever consequences may befall the new end user.

The hypothetical price or value of the medicine is irrelevant. Either find a way of appropriately disposing of it, or take it back to a pharmacist and let him decide what to do with it.

84561   justme   2017 Jun 22, 12:20pm  

I have two sets of epi-pens that (still) are very costly and I'm bummed that I can't give them away without possibly facing liability or maybe even prosecution. There ought to be a "good samaritan" law that allowed people to donate their unused medications to those in need without having to worry.

84562   curious2   2017 Jun 22, 12:47pm  

justme says

There ought to be

a repeal of the Rx requirement. It adds costs without commensurate benefit. Its purpose and effect are to maximize spending, and it operates as designed, as you have experienced.

anonymous says

would you trust someone you never met

I've never met most pharmacists. I've read of lethal pharmacy errors, and I've seen pharmacy errors, and "errors" like placing a sticker over an expiration date. I might trust someone who uses his real name and can tell me the chain of custody and storage conditions. The current mandatory Rx system enables a lot of hidden abuse, including expired or overheated drugs, and unwanted substitutions by mistake or "mistake".

84563   curious2   2017 Jun 22, 3:25pm  

anonymous says

they do not lose that much

Some, e.g. doxycycline, can turn toxic. IMMV. Storage conditions, including especially temperature, can make a big difference. Meds stored in a refrigerator or cool basement can last a lot longer than in if kept in a warm storage room with ventilation windows that let in the sun.

BTW, USA is the only country I know of that requires you to buy individually decanted pills, not even in the manufacturer's packaging. Generics can vary a lot, and most people don't even know who made them. Seriously, people have died from brick&mortar pharmacy errors. The USA has the most expensive medical system on earth, and it is chronically unreliable: most people don't know what they're getting.

84564   RWSGFY   2017 Jun 22, 3:33pm  

Drive to Tijuana and unload them there.

84565   Rew   2017 Jun 22, 3:43pm  

You can see a lot of things in common with a spoon like this.

The 12 number is strong indicator toward Germany. The year and that number are dead on right. Further details likely need someone who has "better information" ... aka ... books of hallmarks.

84566   Shaman   2017 Jun 22, 4:07pm  

You can legally buy prescription antibiotics for your dog on the web if it's for fish. Same exact stuff packaged with a fish on the bottle.

84567   curious2   2017 Jun 22, 4:16pm  

Certainly some drugs can store a very long time if stored correctly, which is why I mentioned a refrigerator or cool basement.

anonymous says

staying in constant contact with your physician...

sounds really high maintenance to me, and very expensive. Most physicians don't have that much time for one patient, unless maybe a really lucrative patient like Michael Jackson, and look how that worked out. Many doctors can get misled by drug marketers, e.g. the Oxycontin fraud where doctors were told specifically that it was not habit forming. I've seen doctors deny adamantly the existence of side effects that are widely documented, after marketers had assured them and smiled and maybe given them a pen or a pizza or consulting payment.

Your life depends on your house, but that doesn't stop people from doing their own maintenance. Same with cars, though cars on public roads must pass inspection.

I have a visceral reaction against mandatory dependence, borrowing & spending, etc. It seems very unhealthy to me, usually presented by advertisers and lobbyists representing their clients' interests at the expense of everyone else.

84568   Rew   2017 Jun 22, 4:36pm  

Yes. I believe the 12 denotes the purity of silver.

"Assay marks for silver purity found on German and Polish silver of the 18th & 19th centuries.
The Loth system divided silver into 16 parts. 16/16 for pure silver 15=.937 14=.875 13=.812 12=.750"

Your date is 1860. It's German. .750 Silver.

I just don't know if that is a family crest, a state crest, or what the King's Game/Match/Lottery refers to.

Edit: Ok, it could be Polish too I suppose. I'm no expert, but everything I see screams German to me. ;)

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